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On January 08 2016 03:00 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2016 02:50 nooniansoong wrote:
I like the csse but I think ritoky is town. When someone makes a list like that it's not set in stone.
Moosey wasn't a hard townread.
He wanted to shoot an unreadable. But here's the catch - why did he allude to both HIS reads and Holyflare's reads as the basis AND Why did he say I put all my trust in Holyflare's reads (paraphrasing). Instead - Why didn't he just come out and say "I wanted to say fuck it and shoot an unreadable"
Do you see what I am getting at? Do you see why I'm contrasting this to what I saw in Gaiden?
i almost always shoot unreadables or afks. go look at me as vigi or any game i am given a gun, i shoot inactives as i believe it is of the most benefit to town in all cases.
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The vote count looks bad btw. Votes just piled on Slam. Obviously I'll look like shit if he flips scum for saying this but is this really a bus? I guess I just feel weird because all my scum reads are voting Slam and 3 of my town reads aren't voting yet.
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On January 07 2016 19:21 Palmar wrote:
Slam is a fine lynch and he isn't doing anything to contest his lynch.
I'm stuck in a conference through today
Compare that first line to what Damdred said about Slam ditching lynches when he's been town and scum. What makes it more likely this is scum ditching this time around?
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On January 08 2016 05:29 The Shining wrote:
The vote count looks bad btw. Votes just piled on Slam. Obviously I'll look like shit if he flips scum for saying this but is this really a bus? I guess I just feel weird because all my scum reads are voting Slam and 3 of my town reads aren't voting yet.
It doesn't matter if slam isn't doing anything.
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On January 08 2016 05:20 ritoky wrote:everything i typed during the night phase i had the gun was wifom. everything. your entire case is from that night phase. ritoky, why was it wifom, that makes no sense? Show nested quote +On January 03 2016 11:08 ritoky wrote:
point a:
the plan is to spend a lot of the night trying to sound like i am shooting damdred or onegu so that if either is mafia i am likely roleblocked which confirms to me there is at least 1 between them. if i am not roleblocked it reveals mafia didn't care and both are likely town. it yielded tons of information giving me basically 2 confirmed towns so i think the play was overall fine, especially since the 2 confirmed towns are ML candidates for doing some dumb fake claim stuff.
point b:
damdred: "you never listen to me even though you can read me well"
ritoky: "yup"
point c:
i snap claimed as vigi (within the first day/night cycle) too. i claim with a gun, i think it is superior in 90% of cases.
point d:
yes i am frustrated that the jk is not protecting obvious town. aren't you? oh wait, you didn't find those people obvious town. my bad, how's the holyflare push going?
anyways i should have shot slam, and that's on me. it's not like i clearly stated multiple times that i was wifoming all night to try and place mafia under the illusion i was shooting between gu and damdred. you're entitled to your opinion though. it's just wrong. why did i shoot moosy over slam? hf made a list of 3 that i liked and you quoted so clearly you saw it, i chose from the list. if slam flips mafia after gb i look like shit and an idiot and that's on me. but tbh i don't tend to look like shit and an idiot as mafia i would rather shoot my partner and look amazing like i did to palmar once before. this all stems from omgus since i poe'd you, which makes me laugh and probably just makes you mafia.
That's selective reasoning at best.
(1) First my case was not just the night, it was also based on your response to Damdred at the daypost. Your response to him at daybreak was to shift responsibility to Holyflare by saying you trusted his reads after considering your own. Since you don't like my formatting in the actual case, let's bring the operative quotes to the front.
On January 03 2016 08:11 ritoky wrote:
because i read you town, and i figured if 1 of you and onegu is mafia or both are mafia, then i am getting roleblocked and i know it. if both of you are town they are gonna let my bullet through so i started working on other people to shoot. and between myself and hf i arrived at moosy and slam. i sent about 9 pms to the mods....i really wish i had shot slam now.
Damdred wanted you to listen to him but it's not you disregarding him that makes you mafia. That part doesn't even address my question.
What makes you mafia is that you disregarded your own reads and stated you trusted Holyflare AFTER saying between myself and HF I arrived at Moosy and Slam. THIS WAS DONE AFTER THE DAYPOST so using WIFOM to defend yourself/discussing Onegu and Damdred is actually irrelevant.
Relevant quote.
On January 03 2016 08:15 ritoky wrote:
because i was realllllly sure hf was town and i had a lot of faith that he isn't this wrong as town so i trusted his reads the most
(2) People can wifom the shot as either alignment. I covered that in the previous point so moving on, sorry, that does not make you any more town.
(3) You are stating that you chose from a list of 3 Holyflare put out.
On January 08 2016 05:20 ritoky wrote:
why did i shoot moosy over slam? hf made a list of 3 that i liked and you quoted so clearly you saw it, i chose from the list. if slam flips mafia after gb i look like shit and an idiot and that's on me. but tbh i don't tend to look like shit and an idiot as mafia i would rather shoot my partner and look amazing like i did to palmar once before.
Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
On January 02 2016 08:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2016 08:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Onegu should be shot tonight. Then we decide about Damdred. No you shoot damdred and lynch onegu.
On January 02 2016 09:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2016 09:00 ritoky wrote:
tbh i am mad....that might be because the ibuprofen didn't kill the headache or cuz of this mess; but stop with the woe is me shit if you're town; i gotta figure out this pile of mess in 23 hours. They're both probably town there's nothing to work out. Shoot slam please.
On January 02 2016 11:21 Holyflare wrote:
Slam/GB/Moosy are all good shot targets
On January 02 2016 11:47 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2016 11:45 Holyflare wrote:Game is easy: Sl/trfel/palmar (red checked by koshi or kush depending)/kush (just look at this post below if he's not cop) +1 On December 30 2015 21:16 nooniansoong wrote:
I'm taking tt being red pretty hard. Second game in a row i too easily towned him.
Bf...I'm conflicted. His logic is so weird. Too weird to be scum maybe?
Here's some self meta for you guys that suspect me. If I were scum there's no way I would have read this whole game. Basically i like your list Forgot slam he's mafia.
Holyflare DID NOT JUST make a list of 3 and this is where you are distorting the facts. He STATED MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF THE NIGHT what his preferences were.
Clearly you chose to make the shortlist your focus, and that's called selective reasoning. If you trusted his reads so much why weren't you paying attention to all the information he provided?
this all stems from omgus since i poe'd you, which makes me laugh and probably just makes you mafia.
Finally OMGUS comes from both alignments and characterising it as exclusively mafia actually makes you mafia.
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Bahhhhhhh ignore that post - reformatting.
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On January 08 2016 05:29 The Shining wrote:
The vote count looks bad btw. Votes just piled on Slam. Obviously I'll look like shit if he flips scum for saying this but is this really a bus? I guess I just feel weird because all my scum reads are voting Slam and 3 of my town reads aren't voting yet.
I would like to start a train on Ritoky or Palmar, the question is, who else is willing to think things through and also book their ticket?
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Oh shit.....that was meant to re-quote not edit the formatting. Proof I fail.
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On January 08 2016 05:28 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2016 03:00 NocturneMage wrote:On January 08 2016 02:50 nooniansoong wrote:
I like the csse but I think ritoky is town. When someone makes a list like that it's not set in stone.
Moosey wasn't a hard townread.
He wanted to shoot an unreadable. But here's the catch - why did he allude to both HIS reads and Holyflare's reads as the basis AND Why did he say I put all my trust in Holyflare's reads (paraphrasing). Instead - Why didn't he just come out and say "I wanted to say fuck it and shoot an unreadable"
Do you see what I am getting at? Do you see why I'm contrasting this to what I saw in Gaiden? i almost always shoot unreadables or afks. go look at me as vigi or any game i am given a gun, i shoot inactives as i believe it is of the most benefit to town in all cases.
Then why didn't you give Damdred a straight forward answer AT DAYBREAK and defer to the reads you saw in Holyflare????
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On January 08 2016 05:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2016 05:29 The Shining wrote:
The vote count looks bad btw. Votes just piled on Slam. Obviously I'll look like shit if he flips scum for saying this but is this really a bus? I guess I just feel weird because all my scum reads are voting Slam and 3 of my town reads aren't voting yet. It doesn't matter if slam isn't doing anything.
I mean, I guess. It does bring a little credit to the theory of him being a scum PR and that's why scum would bus GB over him but Idk. Did we really have two scum up for lynxh last phase? If he was a scum pr, why would he not be trying in any capacity whatsoever?
Meh I guess it could point in the direction of scum and he just doesn't wanna give anything away.
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I am issuing a warning to NocturneMage for editing post #4345.
Editing posts is not allowed.
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On January 08 2016 05:57 NocturneMage wrote:
Oh shit.....that was meant to re-quote not edit the formatting. Proof I fail.
Editing modkill rip
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On January 08 2016 05:57 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2016 05:29 The Shining wrote:
The vote count looks bad btw. Votes just piled on Slam. Obviously I'll look like shit if he flips scum for saying this but is this really a bus? I guess I just feel weird because all my scum reads are voting Slam and 3 of my town reads aren't voting yet. I would like to start a train on Ritoky or Palmar, the question is, who else is willing to think things through and also book their ticket?
Hmm.
Can you answer my question about the similarities between here and Dark Tournament?
It doesn't seem like many ppl are here. Palm is afking the lynch because he has a conference today apparently. Why is he scum?
Your points aren't bad against ritoky either but deciding if they actually make him scum is difficult. I've been asking myself why he wasn't shot if he had a gun, tbh. No one was really scumming him until you came in, iirc.
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On January 08 2016 06:02 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2016 05:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On January 08 2016 05:29 The Shining wrote:
The vote count looks bad btw. Votes just piled on Slam. Obviously I'll look like shit if he flips scum for saying this but is this really a bus? I guess I just feel weird because all my scum reads are voting Slam and 3 of my town reads aren't voting yet. It doesn't matter if slam isn't doing anything. I mean, I guess. It does bring a little credit to the theory of him being a scum PR and that's why scum would bus GB over him but Idk. Did we really have two scum up for lynxh last phase? If he was a scum pr, why would he not be trying in any capacity whatsoever?Meh I guess it could point in the direction of scum and he just doesn't wanna give anything away.
I have a mechanical explanation for this.
Because it depends on the PR. Look at the blues we have then (cop, JK), both investigative roles. Guess what was lynched then? The vanilla scum. What was disposable at the time? Vanilla and vig.
Now? Cop is gone. What is expendable now? GF, Vig.
I would be willing to put money down that Alakaslam is either the GF or the Vig, and not the two remaining roles needed for them.
This is just classic mafia strategy, take out the investigatives before they are found out.
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On January 08 2016 06:07 disformation wrote:
I am issuing a warning to NocturneMage for editing post #4345.
Editing posts is not allowed.
No complaints.
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On January 08 2016 05:52 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2016 05:20 ritoky wrote:everything i typed during the night phase i had the gun was wifom. everything. your entire case is from that night phase. ritoky, why was it wifom, that makes no sense? On January 03 2016 11:08 ritoky wrote:
point a:
the plan is to spend a lot of the night trying to sound like i am shooting damdred or onegu so that if either is mafia i am likely roleblocked which confirms to me there is at least 1 between them. if i am not roleblocked it reveals mafia didn't care and both are likely town. it yielded tons of information giving me basically 2 confirmed towns so i think the play was overall fine, especially since the 2 confirmed towns are ML candidates for doing some dumb fake claim stuff.
point b:
damdred: "you never listen to me even though you can read me well"
ritoky: "yup"
point c:
i snap claimed as vigi (within the first day/night cycle) too. i claim with a gun, i think it is superior in 90% of cases.
point d:
yes i am frustrated that the jk is not protecting obvious town. aren't you? oh wait, you didn't find those people obvious town. my bad, how's the holyflare push going?
anyways i should have shot slam, and that's on me. it's not like i clearly stated multiple times that i was wifoming all night to try and place mafia under the illusion i was shooting between gu and damdred. you're entitled to your opinion though. it's just wrong. why did i shoot moosy over slam? hf made a list of 3 that i liked and you quoted so clearly you saw it, i chose from the list. if slam flips mafia after gb i look like shit and an idiot and that's on me. but tbh i don't tend to look like shit and an idiot as mafia i would rather shoot my partner and look amazing like i did to palmar once before. this all stems from omgus since i poe'd you, which makes me laugh and probably just makes you mafia. That's selective reasoning at best. (1) First my case was not just the night, it was also based on your response to Damdred at the daypost. Your response to him at daybreak was to shift responsibility to Holyflare by saying you trusted his reads after considering your own. Since you don't like my formatting in the actual case, let's bring the operative quotes to the front. Show nested quote +On January 03 2016 08:11 ritoky wrote:
because i read you town, and i figured if 1 of you and onegu is mafia or both are mafia, then i am getting roleblocked and i know it. if both of you are town they are gonna let my bullet through so i started working on other people to shoot. and between myself and hf i arrived at moosy and slam. i sent about 9 pms to the mods....i really wish i had shot slam now. Damdred wanted you to listen to him but it's not you disregarding him that makes you mafia. That part doesn't even address my question. What makes you mafia is that you disregarded your own reads and stated you trusted Holyflare AFTER saying between myself and HF I arrived at Moosy and Slam. THIS WAS DONE AFTER THE DAYPOST so using WIFOM to defend yourself/discussing Onegu and Damdred is actually irrelevant. Relevant quote. Show nested quote +On January 03 2016 08:15 ritoky wrote:
because i was realllllly sure hf was town and i had a lot of faith that he isn't this wrong as town so i trusted his reads the most (2) People can wifom the shot as either alignment. I covered that in the previous point so moving on, sorry, that does not make you any more town. (3) You are stating that you chose from a list of 3 Holyflare put out. Show nested quote +On January 08 2016 05:20 ritoky wrote:
why did i shoot moosy over slam? hf made a list of 3 that i liked and you quoted so clearly you saw it, i chose from the list. if slam flips mafia after gb i look like shit and an idiot and that's on me. but tbh i don't tend to look like shit and an idiot as mafia i would rather shoot my partner and look amazing like i did to palmar once before. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Show nested quote +On January 02 2016 08:09 Holyflare wrote:On January 02 2016 08:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Onegu should be shot tonight. Then we decide about Damdred. No you shoot damdred and lynch onegu. Show nested quote +On January 02 2016 09:01 Holyflare wrote:On January 02 2016 09:00 ritoky wrote:
tbh i am mad....that might be because the ibuprofen didn't kill the headache or cuz of this mess; but stop with the woe is me shit if you're town; i gotta figure out this pile of mess in 23 hours. They're both probably town there's nothing to work out. Shoot slam please. Show nested quote +On January 02 2016 11:21 Holyflare wrote:
Slam/GB/Moosy are all good shot targets Show nested quote +On January 02 2016 11:47 Holyflare wrote:On January 02 2016 11:45 Holyflare wrote:Game is easy: Sl/trfel/palmar (red checked by koshi or kush depending)/kush (just look at this post below if he's not cop) +1 On December 30 2015 21:16 nooniansoong wrote:
I'm taking tt being red pretty hard. Second game in a row i too easily towned him.
Bf...I'm conflicted. His logic is so weird. Too weird to be scum maybe?
Here's some self meta for you guys that suspect me. If I were scum there's no way I would have read this whole game. Basically i like your list Forgot slam he's mafia. Holyflare DID NOT JUST make a list of 3 and this is where you are distorting the facts. He STATED MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF THE NIGHT what his preferences were. Clearly you chose to make the shortlist your focus, and that's called selective reasoning. If you trusted his reads so much why weren't you paying attention to all the information he provided?Show nested quote +this all stems from omgus since i poe'd you, which makes me laugh and probably just makes you mafia. Finally OMGUS comes from both alignments and characterising it as exclusively mafia actually makes you mafia.
you read it, but you didn't comprehend it i think you interpreted it as "i wifomed the shot" not "i wifomed all my posts to make it appear i was shooting where i wasn't". you should read it again or maybe you're just constructing a narrative because you're in a shit spot, i don't really know. so let's try and rephrase this for you but you're gonna find largely the same answer.
that read post you're on about? that's not my reads that night.it's a fabircation that's wifom outside of the top block made purely to indicate at the bottom that i think there's a mafia between gu and damdred to imply i am shooting there. again a lot of this is already in my filter, you just selectively dodged around it, none of this is new information.
in regards to hf and my reads, hf gave a list of 3 that i took to heart. you can say he exclaimed a preference all you want, hf told me to shoot quite a few people since i announced i had a gun (i can cherrypick other posts of him telling me to shoot other people as well including your slot). i took that list and narrowed it to 2, because gb was posting shit and i figured i can actually get a read on that. between slam and moosy there's not really any separation tbh. slam had done 1 of 3 town tells i have on him but usually does all 3 as town, i told moosy i was going to shoot him and he had a shit reaction. i chose the guy with the shit reaction and was wrong.
the omgus calling me mafia probably just makes you mafia because i have a lot of town reads and you're not one of them. you're also cherrypicking pretty heavily to form a narrative that has already been talked about and contort it into a way that makes me look bad.
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On January 08 2016 06:10 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2016 06:02 The Shining wrote:On January 08 2016 05:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On January 08 2016 05:29 The Shining wrote:
The vote count looks bad btw. Votes just piled on Slam. Obviously I'll look like shit if he flips scum for saying this but is this really a bus? I guess I just feel weird because all my scum reads are voting Slam and 3 of my town reads aren't voting yet. It doesn't matter if slam isn't doing anything. I mean, I guess. It does bring a little credit to the theory of him being a scum PR and that's why scum would bus GB over him but Idk. Did we really have two scum up for lynxh last phase? If he was a scum pr, why would he not be trying in any capacity whatsoever?Meh I guess it could point in the direction of scum and he just doesn't wanna give anything away. I have a mechanical explanation for this. Because it depends on the PR. Look at the blues we have then (cop, JK), both investigative roles. Guess what was lynched then? The vanilla scum. What was disposable at the time? Vanilla and vig. Now? Cop is gone. What is expendable now? GF, Vig. I would be willing to put money down that Alakaslam is either the GF or the Vig, and not the two remaining roles needed for them. This is just classic mafia strategy, take out the investigatives before they are found out.
If I'm not mistaken, the vig shot on n1 & n2, which was why there were more NKs. Why would they need the vig alive for n3? Only 2 ppl were nkd yesterday.
And although this does make sense, even though the cop is gone, why would scum not want the GF to live? Once the gf flips, the probable green checks go from 75% to confirmed town.
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it also feels opportunistic that you start writing walls ONLY on the guy with a broken wrist who can't effectively write walls back, but that might just be me martyring.
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Can we please just focus on slam/OO?
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obi, what about oo should i focus on?
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