Alright guys, I've devised a strategy that is fullproof. Since everyone wanted to lynch moosy before the game began and since not lynching me has a significantly higher percent chance of lynching scum than lynching me, I suggest we lynch moosy until further notice. ##Vote Moosydoosy
On December 27 2015 08:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Alright guys, I've devised a strategy that is fullproof. Since everyone wanted to lynch moosy before the game began and since not lynching me has a significantly higher percent chance of lynching scum than lynching me, I suggest we lynch moosy until further notice. ##Vote Moosydoosy
On December 27 2015 08:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Alright guys, I've devised a strategy that is fullproof. Since everyone wanted to lynch moosy before the game began and since not lynching me has a significantly higher percent chance of lynching scum than lynching me, I suggest we lynch moosy until further notice. ##Vote Moosydoosy
I thought you were a true American patriot. This is highly disappointing
once upon a time i ate cheese on everything, gave 0 fucks about fuel efficiency, and told people in italy that they didn't know how to make pizza.....then i married a japanese girl and had a kid.
lesson here: beware of women they eat your soul and steal your comfortable clothes.
On December 27 2015 08:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Alright guys, I've devised a strategy that is fullproof. Since everyone wanted to lynch moosy before the game began and since not lynching me has a significantly higher percent chance of lynching scum than lynching me, I suggest we lynch moosy until further notice. ##Vote Moosydoosy
Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?
Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.
On December 27 2015 08:12 N e s s wrote: Alright, i'm just going to assume this started for now.
Also, i can't understand why lynching Mooseydoosey is a good idea what so ever. Why would you lynch someone not even an hour into Day 1?
But, nevertheless heres a few questions to get the ball rolling.
Answer these questions.
How much mafia experience do you have? I have played atleast 10 games up to this point. How many times have you been mafia in your mafia meta? twice, won both times. If you had to choose one person to lynch right now, who would it be? Honestly most of you are doing moose for reasons i can't understand, but right now basically nobody. I haven't read back. If you saw 3 buttons, 1 being green, 1 being yellow, and 1 being red, which would you push? I'd push green.
1) 2 years of experience, basically 2) 8 times I think 3) ness 4) I'd push triangle
Question: how do you expect these questions will help you to find mafia?
On December 27 2015 08:17 ritoky wrote: HERES WHY WE SHOULD LYNCH RSOUL OR ARTANIS IMMEDIATELY!?!?!?!?!?!?
CUZ SOME1 SAID THAT THEY ARE OCCUPYING THE SAME SPACE AND MAYBE USING THE SAME DEVICE AND MAYBE SHARING SALIVA SO THEY OBVIOUSLY KNOW EACHOTHERS ROLES AND TOTALLY USE EACHOTHERS LOGINS AND HAX HAX HAX HAX OGI OGI OGI OGI
On December 27 2015 08:25 Trfel wrote: Wait a second, I messed up, didn't I
It appears that Artanis is town, if he's being pushed for what he has posted, he's town.
Even idiot-proof isn't idiot-proof enough for me T.T
Yeah, the idea behind it is that I don't care about what I post as town whereas I mostly do as mafia and I'm pretty aware of what looks 'objectively' scummy so I try to avoid it as scum as it's really never worth the wifom, whereas as town it's like whatever.
On December 27 2015 08:50 ExO_ wrote: Hi there people. Just woke up from my nap and I see the game's started. Will be posting from my phone for the first few days. My stepbrother's wedding is tomorrow, but after that I'll have plenty of time to read, tho I'm not gonna lie reading 352 pages of day 1 crap is something I don't look forward to.
Hope everyone continues to have a Merry Christmas season!
On December 27 2015 09:18 Damdred wrote: Your right guys I'm 100% wrong. I'm sorry I'll be back later
>>
add damdy to the rit pile
shame on you damdy lol
But I was trying to conform and act to happy what did I do this time q.q
the annoyance was real lol it's all right
@art
if you mean the manufactured excuse to not read, i'm not sure it's as significant as you thought it was? if not, i don't see it. him pushing on damdy is pointless though ^^
It was mostly the tone, though I've actually kinda liked how he approached the game after that so meh.
I just think you're wrong. I have no reason to think you're scum atm
Actually this post of yours seems pretty townie to me
I don't get your initial reply though.
-Presumably, Rsoul is the GB whisperer. -She reads you as scum. -You don't have a read on her. -Instead of finding this suspicious, you waiver it off as "Eh, I have no reason to read you as scum."
Only now do you actually think her reply was town, so you didn't there at first which makes it even scummier.
On December 27 2015 13:59 Holyflare wrote: The next two people to vote Vivax get a free town read, you can ignore GB's trash posts about it being null since it's not null.
If you're not sure just think about this, Vivax is known to play harder under threat of being lynched if he's town.
If he's mafia you'll be following me to victory.
There is no downside to voting Vivax.
Voting for the town read. ##Unvote ##Vote Vivax
On December 27 2015 17:44 Trfel wrote: Evil list post time? Not necessarily in order.
Town - raynpelikoneet, Damdred, ritoky, Artanis[Xp] Town Lean - sicklucker, ExO_, Koshi, GlowingBear, N e s s, Alakaslam
Suspicious-ish - rsoultin
I didn't check these that carefully, I'm tired. Really looking forward to the 24 hour pause in the game, of course it can't be enforced to not read the thread during this time, but is doing so bad form? As much as I'd love time to catch up with / analyze the game, if doing so is abuse, I won't do so.
The main reason I'm suspicious of rsoultin is that she's seemed present, but not really involved. Though, this is quite subjective, and I'll look again tomorrow. Like, maybe there are other causes, or maybe I'm perceiving it incorrectly, but it seems like rsoultin is choosing when to interact and what to talk about, instead of a genuine desire to figure out alignments? There's also a fair amount of meta which I think is good but could be stupid because I'm really bad at meta.
I don't see much reason to lynch nooniansoong, Tictock, or Vivax right now, to be honest.
Anyway, good night.
I don't think Rso is mafia. She doesn't have as much time as normal since she's at her family's and I don't sense any mafia motivation in her posts. She's pretty fluid in her reads.
I'm also pretty much null on ExO right now and TR Slam for mindmeld. Don't see in TT what a lot of others see. I'd imagine people already said everything that needed to be said about his scumreads, they weren't particularly original. GB was a hot topic so it makes sense for him to expand on it. Also seems too brash/confident to be scum to me.
Have a random read list cause they're fun. 100% Town forever Artanis[Xp] N e s s
Town Damdred Trfel Rsoultin Alakaslam
Town by association of people I think are town reading them as town and me being a lazy shit Raynpelikoneet Onegu
Weak Town HF Ritoky ExO_ Koshi TickTock
Null Anyone not in other categories
Weak Mafia Boxerfred - Made one post and it was bad. GB - Development on Rso was meh. Seems to be thread cop more than all over the place. Way he engages N e s s doesn't really make much sense to me.
Leaning Mafia Vivax - doing fuck all, not being remotely tinfoil. Very much out of the ordinary for Vivax.
On December 27 2015 21:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Have a random read list cause they're fun. 100% Town forever Artanis[Xp] N e s s
Town Damdred Trfel Rsoultin Alakaslam
Town by association of people I think are town reading them as town and me being a lazy shit Raynpelikoneet Onegu
Weak Town HF Ritoky ExO_ Koshi TickTock
Null Anyone not in other categories
Weak Mafia Boxerfred - Made one post and it was bad. GB - Development on Rso was meh. Seems to be thread cop more than all over the place. Way he engages N e s s doesn't really make much sense to me.
Leaning Mafia Vivax - doing fuck all, not being remotely tinfoil. Very much out of the ordinary for Vivax.
So you're scum? This post doesn't make much sense....
On December 27 2015 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because it looks like you are both reading the thread and not.
That's probably kinda true in the sense that there were like 17 pages to read when I woke up and I kinda read them but did it pretty fast so it's likely not everything actually registered.
On December 27 2015 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because it looks like you are both reading the thread and not.
That's probably kinda true in the sense that there were like 17 pages to read when I woke up and I kinda read them but did it pretty fast so it's likely not everything actually registered.
So like... the first thing you usually do in any game is to form a read on me. Here you "form" a read on me due to... association?!?!? You completely ignore my scumread however...
Usually, yes. But that's usually because you're actually around for the start of the game. This time, you weren't so I interacted with other people instead. By the time I returned to the thread you were gone so I couldn't interact with you. I know Tina said she can read you very well and she called you town. Townreading her means that's good enough for me and I'm feeling lazy so eh.
As for your scumread, I already told you why I don't think TT is scum.
Then you have this weird read progression on Exo, where you first call him scum but then, idk why, you suddenly don't call him scum anymore but null and in the next post he is even a town lean.
I called him scum for the tone in his first post. The tone changed in his later post. I thought about him further and then figured he's somewhat likely to be town due to the way he got upset about how people read him, but then still started doing other things with reasonable confidence.
Then i have absolutely no idea why you (or anyone -- but anyone is not as good as you are) would ever think Koshi is town because he hasn't actually done jack shit in this game. There is no Koshi-passion to solve the game, which is actually really characteristic to his townplay regardless of how much he yells he won't play before the game...
I dunno, I just don't think he so openly doesn't give a shit about the game as mafia. He's also still doing things here and there next to it.
And to the first part, you claim TT's posting is bad but hey let's ignore the case on him completely and just call him town instead... And HF is town but GB is scum... Did you forget HF did the exact same thing GB did regarding Ness?? Just because HF posts more words about it and is generally capable of producing better looking posts does not mean the motivation is/was the same.. But GB is scum for what he did? And HF is town, for calling Vivax scum? Or what, because that would be everything else HF basically did. Do you realize even if Vivax is mafia here it's not out of question at all HF is also mafia? I think you at least should, and if you srsly consider GB as scum for why you do, your townread on HF makes absolutely zero sense at all.
I really really do not understand any of that.
It's not the what but the how with HF, Rayn. He pressured him, got answers and changed his read. The way GB pushes him is very, very different. I'm also not eliminating the option in which HF is scum at all. He's a weak lean as I said.
On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote: Alrighty! So, heres my defense.
First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.
Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:
Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.
At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.
You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.
but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.
...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-
Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?
Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.
Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.
If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.
this. this rubs me the wrong way.
1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.
1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?
Smh answered those first 2 already.
but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.
But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.
Let me ask you something
What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?
Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?
It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from
Food for thought~
Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?
I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.
Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum?
It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.
mmmm on the contrary
that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game.
please answer my question now.
You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe
So Artanis what exactly is different in HF's/GB's questioning on Ness?
This is the only thing GB has "pushed" Ness for after the initial questions. I am like 90% sure if i go to Ness' home forum and pick any mafia game there the game starts with RVS -- which makes this perfectly valid (and unanswered) question.
So, what other difference there is? Is GB pushing Ness as scum rn?
HF made a case on Ness, waited for him to respond to it whilst doing other shit and didn't attempt to bury him. I saw direction which I didn't really see with GB whom had to be reminded to look at him. Whereas HF decided he's probably town, GB's still on the fence but it doesn't feel like he's trying to actually find out N e s s's alignment, more just continuously explaining why he has this minor scumread.
On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote: [quote]
Let me ask you something
What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?
Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?
It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from
Food for thought~
Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?
I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.
Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum?
It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.
mmmm on the contrary
that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game.
please answer my question now.
You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe
So Artanis what exactly is different in HF's/GB's questioning on Ness?
This is the only thing GB has "pushed" Ness for after the initial questions. I am like 90% sure if i go to Ness' home forum and pick any mafia game there the game starts with RVS -- which makes this perfectly valid (and unanswered) question.
So, what other difference there is? Is GB pushing Ness as scum rn?
HF made a case on Ness, waited for him to respond to it whilst doing other shit and didn't attempt to bury him. I saw direction which I didn't really see with GB whom had to be reminded to look at him. Whereas HF decided he's probably town, GB's still on the fence but it doesn't feel like he's trying to actually find out N e s s's alignment, more just continuously explaining why he has this minor scumread.
That doesn't answer the question. What has GB pushed him for after the initial questioning?
On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote: Alrighty! So, heres my defense.
First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.
Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:
Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.
At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.
You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.
but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.
...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-
Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?
Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.
Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.
If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.
this. this rubs me the wrong way.
1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.
1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?
Smh answered those first 2 already.
but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.
But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.
Let me ask you something
What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?
Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?
It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from
Food for thought~
Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?
I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.
Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum?
It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.
On December 27 2015 14:10 GlowingBear wrote: I have slight SCUMREADS on you, Tictock (his jokes on hammerig me and stuff seems off, he doesn't seem invested in the game) and ritoky (which I'm not sure anymore)
He keeps pushing him on the same thing without getting anything new, basically. Asking questions that lead nowhere which is basically what he's accusing N e s s of.
On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote: [quote]
Let me ask you something
What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?
Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?
It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from
Food for thought~
Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?
I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.
Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum?
It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.
mmmm on the contrary
that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game.
please answer my question now.
You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe
So Artanis what exactly is different in HF's/GB's questioning on Ness?
This is the only thing GB has "pushed" Ness for after the initial questions. I am like 90% sure if i go to Ness' home forum and pick any mafia game there the game starts with RVS -- which makes this perfectly valid (and unanswered) question.
So, what other difference there is? Is GB pushing Ness as scum rn?
HF made a case on Ness, waited for him to respond to it whilst doing other shit and didn't attempt to bury him. I saw direction which I didn't really see with GB whom had to be reminded to look at him. Whereas HF decided he's probably town, GB's still on the fence but it doesn't feel like he's trying to actually find out N e s s's alignment, more just continuously explaining why he has this minor scumread.
Could you clarify the bolded, what direction was HF taking here?
Direction in that he saw a post that didn't make sense to him, asked a bunch of questions to figure out the motive and did so in an open/not hostile manner, while I remember him being more hostile as scum. There was actually also thread sentiment in favour of N e s s other than GB.
I actually can see a reason for scum!HF to do as he did looking back; See if he can get the easy mislynch, then once he sees only GB really agrees and that N e s s does really look townie, back off. Still, the tone to me looks like he isn't trying to bury him in the way I'd expect scum!HF to do so, which constitutes the weak townread.
On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote: [quote]
It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from
Food for thought~
Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?
I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.
Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum?
It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.
mmmm on the contrary
that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game.
please answer my question now.
You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe
So Artanis what exactly is different in HF's/GB's questioning on Ness?
This is the only thing GB has "pushed" Ness for after the initial questions. I am like 90% sure if i go to Ness' home forum and pick any mafia game there the game starts with RVS -- which makes this perfectly valid (and unanswered) question.
So, what other difference there is? Is GB pushing Ness as scum rn?
HF made a case on Ness, waited for him to respond to it whilst doing other shit and didn't attempt to bury him. I saw direction which I didn't really see with GB whom had to be reminded to look at him. Whereas HF decided he's probably town, GB's still on the fence but it doesn't feel like he's trying to actually find out N e s s's alignment, more just continuously explaining why he has this minor scumread.
That doesn't answer the question. What has GB pushed him for after the initial questioning?
On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote: Alrighty! So, heres my defense.
First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.
Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:
Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.
At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.
You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.
but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.
...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-
Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?
Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.
Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.
If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.
this. this rubs me the wrong way.
1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.
1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?
Smh answered those first 2 already.
but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.
But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.
Let me ask you something
What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?
Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?
It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from
Food for thought~
Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?
I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.
Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum?
It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.
On December 27 2015 14:10 GlowingBear wrote: I have slight SCUMREADS on you, Tictock (his jokes on hammerig me and stuff seems off, he doesn't seem invested in the game) and ritoky (which I'm not sure anymore)
He keeps pushing him on the same thing without getting anything new, basically. Asking questions that lead nowhere which is basically what he's accusing N e s s of.
Except that GB made a read out of Ness' answers. Ness didn't make anything out of anything. Can you tell me what Ness' reads are?
Let's be honest. The reason for Ness to be town (if he is), is his response to the pressure -- same as why Exo is town (or was -- before he posted reads) if he is. There is absolutely no other reason to townread him, and anyone who claims otherwise is either bad or mafia. Ness has literally given zero reads on basically anything. He has just posted... a bunch of nothing.
GB's read on Ness is still on his initial post; to him, he was asking questions that lead nowhere. His questioning did not actually do that for him. It went nowhere. I also don't need to convince you that Ness is town regardless since you seem to share that read with me.
On December 27 2015 23:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so like... You think GB is scum because of his lack of direction in his questioning on Ness. What do you make out of rsoultin basically saying the opposite -- and also scumreading GB for it?!?!?!
We use the word direction in different ways is the issue here What she meant with direction I think is the focus on this one point. What I mean with direction is that he doesn't seem to steer towards getting a better read on ness, but keeps asking questions that don't actually help him.
On December 27 2015 23:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is basically my issue.
If we are completely honest and ignore the "getting frustrated over being scumread" part you should probably change the color in HF <-> GB.
Huh?
On December 27 2015 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: WHY DOES ONE'S READ HAVE TO CHANGE IF THE OTHER PERSON JUST POSTS SHIT??!?!? Like do you have to FORCE out a townread just because someone says something? Even if it's not townie. You are not even going to WHAT GB and Ness ACTUALLY say, you just say "well Ness answered and GB still thinks he is scum -- so GB is scum".
It's really fucking bad way to look at people. You really are not bad enough to see beyond the surface level?
Are you scum because your read on Vivax is static?
You don't have to, but I didn't see anything that really came from his line of questioning. It probably didn't help that I was already scumreading him before I caught up to the thread again. I'll see what he does going forward, he's probably not getting lynched today anyway.
On December 27 2015 23:18 ExO_ wrote: Also I wrote this down in my notes but haven't mentioned it yet:
On December 27 2015 13:25 Holyflare wrote: TickTock I suggest that you catch up and post some fleshed out reads rather than arguing semantics, it'll help expedite things nicely
You can also vote for Vivax or explain why you aren't for free bonus points. Which everyone else should be doing too.
No thanks.
Might vote Vivax though, we'll see.
What had ticktock done in the thread so far? Posted a rhyme said I looked okay despite my open (without explaining why I looked okay, or why my open didn't look okay) and then said he "might" vote Vivax. Seems scummy to me
The way he so clearly doesn't give a shit about how the thread perceives him gives me town vibes though.
The way he so clearly doesn't give a shit about how the thread perceives him gives me town vibes though.
Does it? I don't seem to get a "I don't care what you think about me" vibe from him. I seem to get a wishywashy vibe that hasn't called anybody scum, has said a lot of "maybe" without explaining anything, and then disappeared. Looks scummy. I don't get an "I don't care" vibe at all here.
Hm, I actually opened his filter again and I can see what you're getting at. For some reason reading through the thread the only thing I had registered was his reads post and his response to HF. Both posts individually I can actually see coming from town, but that combined with the other posts he's made that don't actually do anything, it doesn't actually compute.
On December 27 2015 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what GlowingBear did:
Scumreads Ness for asking useless questions. HF agrees with GB (but somehow still scumreads him?!?!?). Makes a "better" post on Ness. GB waits for Ness to answer HF's post (gets scumread for it too obvs...) Focuses on other things (gets scumread for it....). Ness answers. Ness' answer doesn't please GB (gets scumread for it too..) GB asks a follow up question -- reads. Ness gives basically nothing... GB asks another legit question. Ness answers basically nothing. GB still scumreads him (gets scumread for that one too.-...)
Something is really fucking wrong here.
Focussing on the what instead of the how again. Already said I could very well be wrong. Gonna need more to decide to lynch him anyway.
On December 27 2015 23:30 ExO_ wrote: Speaking about rsoult
When I pushed Damdred for responses, he answered me. I think he could've very easily brushed me off with the mood in the thread at the time, but he didn't. Good enough so far for me.
ritoky changed his logic and thinking on trfel mid post. Though I guess it's not necessarily alignment indicative I think backing off of trfel mid post as he types, seems towny to me. I don't see the incentive to do this if he was scum.
Artanis/trfel - I initially had them both as town reads. Both of them seem to be playing off each other. Artansis specifically asking trfel what he thinks about something, then trfel coming in. But when I took a closer look at the filter, trfel immediately after scum reading me (following in artanis's lead) backs off it when the thread starts to shift away from scum reading me. I lean town on these 2 for now, but I think they're the same alignment: either both town or both scum.
HF - Not a big fan of HF so far. Really pushing Vivax based only on his lack of responding. At first he was only questioning others without offering his own reads, but he did start to at least back up some of his reads in the bottom half of P1 in his filter. I'm not convinced this super heavy pushing of Vivax is entirely justified just yet. I think I really dislike HF's style of heavy asking questions rather than presenting a case, but this doesn't make him scum.
I think in general HF asks too many questions that ultimately don't help with solving the game, while simultaneously offering up very little of his (is it her? I seem to recall HF being a woman) own opinions. But if I recall correctly I've had this opinion of HF in other games and it was incorrect. I lean scum on HF but not very heavily.
Those are my initial impressions of people that have stuck out to me so far.
i'd pout for old time's sake but honestly...eh
i've been kinda not bothering with you either ^^ hihi!
disagree on the vivax thing with hf, predominately because it is known that vivax will play as town and not as scum, though it's also true that viva has been mislynched for deliberately playing to his scum meta as town (no i don't understand why people use this cop out way of making themselves harder to read instead of just working on their scum game, but whatevs). that's all to say i think it's a legit enough read PLUS if hf is scum he'd 100% buss a scum viva who wasn't playing anyway, so this doesn't really matter imo
i like that you're focusing on the big names instead of lynchbait tho ^^ might bump you into my do not lynch pile with oneg
now i really should sleep :/
why's onegu in a do not lynch pile? The guy's done nothing in the game this far. Until he actually makes some effort I don't see why he shouldn't be lynched as an inactive for instance. What makes you think he's worth keeping so far?
gut feels i won't discuss at this time
If she's all but claiming mason with coag, what's this mean with onegu. I cannot understand the "no lynch" on onegu like minutes after he enters the thread for the first time (and says nothing of consequence)
Toneread. They have history, though it does seem a little early.
If anyone thinks Rsoul putting Coag as her top townread is indicative of anything other than either a joke, a blueclaim or WIFOM then I'm not sure what to say.
On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote: [quote]
Let me ask you something
What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?
Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?
It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from
Food for thought~
Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?
I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.
Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum?
It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.
mmmm on the contrary
that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game.
please answer my question now.
You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe
I find you being town hard to believe.
Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ.
*sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c:
You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed?
I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness. This is one thing. The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because". Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!? Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point?
Nononono. Bad Rayn. Stop using logic and think about what a newbie mafia would actually do on this site.
On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote: [quote]
It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from
Food for thought~
Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?
I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.
Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum?
It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.
mmmm on the contrary
that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game.
please answer my question now.
You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe
I find you being town hard to believe.
Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ.
*sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c:
You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed?
I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness. This is one thing. The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because". Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!? Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point?
Nononono. Bad Rayn. Stop using logic and think about what a newbie mafia would actually do on this site.
He is not newbie though.
He is to this site, and from how he opened I really don't think he'd have what it takes to play mafia the way he's posted so far. Faaaar too sincere and fearless.
On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote: [quote]
It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.
mmmm on the contrary
that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game.
please answer my question now.
You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe
I find you being town hard to believe.
Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ.
*sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c:
You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed?
I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness. This is one thing. The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because". Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!? Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point?
Nononono. Bad Rayn. Stop using logic and think about what a newbie mafia would actually do on this site.
He is not newbie though.
He is to this site, and from how he opened I really don't think he'd have what it takes to play mafia the way he's posted so far. Faaaar too sincere and fearless.
So your interpretation is that somneone who has played 10+ mafia games and is actually capable of at least looking like they are playing mafia properly doesn't have to do anything that makes any sense because "new forum"?
I don't think he looks like he can play mafia properly at all with his opening post and the way he went about it. I don't think he can do what he's done as mafia.
On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote: [quote] mmmm on the contrary
that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game.
please answer my question now.
You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe
I find you being town hard to believe.
Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ.
*sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c:
You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed?
I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness. This is one thing. The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because". Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!? Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point?
Nononono. Bad Rayn. Stop using logic and think about what a newbie mafia would actually do on this site.
He is not newbie though.
He is to this site, and from how he opened I really don't think he'd have what it takes to play mafia the way he's posted so far. Faaaar too sincere and fearless.
So your interpretation is that somneone who has played 10+ mafia games and is actually capable of at least looking like they are playing mafia properly doesn't have to do anything that makes any sense because "new forum"?
And you think this... especially, after the dude starts arguing about meta and to use it / not to use it in mafia games? Like, he clearly has an idea on how he percieves mafia should be played -- regardless of his affiliation -- which already means he is NOT afraid to say stuff, if he is mafia.
What I'm saying is I A) Think he'd be more cautious as mafia and find out how other people play on this site and try to play into that. And B) Get discouraged from how much shit he gets for what he was posting and either go full martyr, stop posting altogether or just post more asinine stuff.
Instead, he tried to talk to people and work with people. Also the question about if you can see people reading the thread as I think SL pointed out cements the read even more. Probably something he'd ask in a scumQT
On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote: [quote] I find you being town hard to believe.
Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ.
*sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c:
You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed?
I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness. This is one thing. The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because". Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!? Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point?
Nononono. Bad Rayn. Stop using logic and think about what a newbie mafia would actually do on this site.
He is not newbie though.
He is to this site, and from how he opened I really don't think he'd have what it takes to play mafia the way he's posted so far. Faaaar too sincere and fearless.
So your interpretation is that somneone who has played 10+ mafia games and is actually capable of at least looking like they are playing mafia properly doesn't have to do anything that makes any sense because "new forum"?
And you think this... especially, after the dude starts arguing about meta and to use it / not to use it in mafia games? Like, he clearly has an idea on how he percieves mafia should be played -- regardless of his affiliation -- which already means he is NOT afraid to say stuff, if he is mafia.
What I'm saying is I A) Think he'd be more cautious as mafia and find out how other people play on this site and try to play into that. And B) Get discouraged from how much shit he gets for what he was posting and either go full martyr, stop posting altogether or just post more asinine stuff.
Instead, he tried to talk to people and work with people. Also the question about if you can see people reading the thread as I think SL pointed out cements the read even more. Probably something he'd ask in a scumQT
Actually, he did exactly (A) at the start of the game. Then he did (B) just before he left. Can you show me where he is actually trying to work with people? Defending yourself doesn't count, because regardless of affiliation everyone defends themselves.
This was basically his first post:
On December 27 2015 08:12 N e s s wrote: Alright, i'm just going to assume this started for now.
Also, i can't understand why lynching Mooseydoosey is a good idea what so ever. Why would you lynch someone not even an hour into Day 1?
But, nevertheless heres a few questions to get the ball rolling.
Answer these questions.
How much mafia experience do you have? I have played atleast 10 games up to this point. How many times have you been mafia in your mafia meta? twice, won both times. If you had to choose one person to lynch right now, who would it be? Honestly most of you are doing moose for reasons i can't understand, but right now basically nobody. I haven't read back. If you saw 3 buttons, 1 being green, 1 being yellow, and 1 being red, which would you push? I'd push green.
I wouldn't consider that being careful.
As for martyring, that barely qualified. He just said he'd be fine with people voting him, but he was still attempting to talk to people.
On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta.
its bad to go off of meta.
It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion.
Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart.
What if he's changed his play style?
But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on.
Well here is where we disagree.. And it's probably because we have a different definition of what "meta" means.
But let's not argue about this since it is pointless. I can 100% tell i am not going to lynch anyone based on meta, only for what they do / do not do.
Meta means mafia game experience/behaveior traits as mafia/town.
Yeah i wasn't going to argue with you regardless, but i am curious, who do you think is scum at this point?
TT, Vivax, kushmasta maybe (i dont remember his scumr name anymore, noomanoomasomething). Have you even read my posts at all? I think i have been quite clear in what i think.
Yeah i have been reading your posts, i just wanted your general gathering of who you think is scum.
On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote: Alrighty! So, heres my defense.
First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.
Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:
Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.
At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.
You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.
but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.
...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-
Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?
Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.
Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.
If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.
this. this rubs me the wrong way.
1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.
1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?
Smh answered those first 2 already.
but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.
But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.
Let me ask you something
What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?
Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?
It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from
Food for thought~
Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?
I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.
Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum?
Yeah he was defending himself here, but he also asked him a question back and attempted to start a dialogue more than just defending himself.
You're right though that he hasn't engaged people as much as I thought. I don't think it matters in the end because of tone and that reading the thread comment though.
On December 27 2015 21:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Have a random read list cause they're fun. 100% Town forever Artanis[Xp] N e s s
Town Damdred Trfel Rsoultin Alakaslam
Town by association of people I think are town reading them as town and me being a lazy shit Raynpelikoneet Onegu
Weak Town HF Ritoky ExO_ Koshi TickTock
Null Anyone not in other categories
Weak Mafia Boxerfred - Made one post and it was bad. GB - Development on Rso was meh. Seems to be thread cop more than all over the place. Way he engages N e s s doesn't really make much sense to me.
Leaning Mafia Vivax - doing fuck all, not being remotely tinfoil. Very much out of the ordinary for Vivax.
Any read of your own, Artanis? I don't remember you going after Vivax for yourself, and I also remember you being directed by someone to check boxerfred's filter
Bish I started the Ness read. I'd also say my HF, Koshi and TT townread are pretty much my own, though I've pretty much retracted the latter.
I'm not sure what you're looking for here. My reads are pretty clearly original/shaped by myself for the most part.
On December 27 2015 23:57 sicklucker wrote: hey art can you not lynch vivax at least till day 2? k thx.
Like we have 5-7 players with historys of posting less then a page in 2 weeks and so many people want to lynch the most obvious mafia player in the game I just dont get it.
Especially when some of them are suspicious to people like bf/kush
I'll unvote him the moment he reaches pg. 2 in his filter.
On December 27 2015 23:57 sicklucker wrote: hey art can you not lynch vivax at least till day 2? k thx.
Like we have 5-7 players with historys of posting less then a page in 2 weeks and so many people want to lynch the most obvious mafia player in the game I just dont get it.
Especially when some of them are suspicious to people like bf/kush
who exactly is suspicious to BF/Kush b/c I don't see them in this thread posting those suspicions
I'm suspicious of BF. Problem is there's just one post to go off so eh.
On December 27 2015 23:57 sicklucker wrote: hey art can you not lynch vivax at least till day 2? k thx.
Like we have 5-7 players with historys of posting less then a page in 2 weeks and so many people want to lynch the most obvious mafia player in the game I just dont get it.
Especially when some of them are suspicious to people like bf/kush
who exactly is suspicious to BF/Kush b/c I don't see them in this thread posting those suspicions
I'm suspicious of BF. Problem is there's just one post to go off so eh.
Im not against lynching BF b.c he's inactive as fuck not posting anything. But SL just said that "Especially when some of them are suspicious to people like bf/kush" meaning that according to bf/kush there are people that are suspicious. Except I don't see BF and kush saying anything like that
I believe what SL meant to say is that there are people suspicious of those two and he'd prefer to see either of them lynched over Vivax because they're more difficult to read.
On December 28 2015 00:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can someone summarize the case on Vivax for me? I didn't particularly understand it very well the first time I read it.
He's not posting much and when he is posting it's being a complete non-factor.
I might actually agree with SL on HF, his filter seems quite diplomatic. BUT YOU SAID THAT HE'S MORE AGGRESSIVE AS SCUM!!! Generally, from what I remember, yes. However, I also expect him to push things a bit stronger as town to truly get reads out. The way he responded to me basically saying the guy he's pushing is town was overly diplomatic and something I'd imagine town HF attempting to push me on to get a better read.
On December 27 2015 09:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: HF why do you make a massive case on town, then vote Vivax?
I'm going to ignore your wording there but the reason is quite simple, I haven't heard a response from the player I'm questioning yet and he's new whereas Vivax is someone I have played with and his responses or lack thereof are far more concerning.
On December 27 2015 09:29 Damdred wrote: Because rit is obvious town if you pay attention even if he a wrong. Mixture of tone posts and a couple of things
To me he still is pretty null, easy to make posts
They are both posts that say absolutely nothing and weigh in to no debate whatsoever, I don't see Vivax sidelining in this situation at all I'd at least expect a reaction to something or an inquisitive line of thought.
He's being quite appeasing and he hasn't been around much. Looks like he might just be looking for an easy target because he doesn't want to spend too much time in the game, tried getting N e s s lynched, saw thread sentiment was against it and went for the next easy target whilst not making enemies.
On December 28 2015 00:22 GlowingBear wrote: Ok I've caught up.
I think Rayn is town. I think Exo is town. I think sicklucker might be town.
I'm not sure on Ness. I have plenty of suspicions on him but I think that thing Sicklucker said about asking questions in the QT actually makes sense. I have to decide whether it is fakeable or not. I'm also not sure on Ritoky, I've been reevaluating and I believe I may have been nitpicking him for that particular post, which brings him back null
Artanis looks scummy, I hated his list post. Tictock looks scummy for his lack of pushes + his joke on hammering me and going after me felt pretty off.
On December 28 2015 00:26 sicklucker wrote: Art is pretty diplomatic which is scary but I like him so far. I dont see any reason to murder him anytime soon
If you can find me a game where I'm not being diplomatic as town I'll give you a sticker.
On December 28 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i really think TT is scum because everyone and their mother is willing to lynch Vivax at least on some level but everyone and their mother also refuses to commit on even giving a read on TT.
On December 28 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i really think TT is scum because everyone and their mother is willing to lynch Vivax at least on some level but everyone and their mother also refuses to commit on even giving a read on TT.
Let's do it
##Vote: Tictock
Ooh ooh let's test the chart! ##Unvote ##Vote TicTock
On December 28 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i really think TT is scum because everyone and their mother is willing to lynch Vivax at least on some level but everyone and their mother also refuses to commit on even giving a read on TT.
Let's do it
##Vote: Tictock
Ooh ooh let's test the chart! ##Unvote ##Vote TicTock
ROFL it won't work
That's true, you haven't been changing your reads every 10 seconds so we're not even in that intersection
On December 28 2015 00:48 Holyflare wrote: I really give absolutely 0 shits what you think SL. You're just defending random people but then wanting to lynch BF and other people for being equally useless. Your points are irrelevant.
Yes i agree with this.
Eh, I think SL's likely town though. That said, I do find it amusing that he tries to be unreadable but at the same time supports policy lynches.
On December 28 2015 00:57 Damdred wrote: So kush is now a good lynch to a point.
Also...shining could be a good lynch
If anyone cares what I think
Why aren't you interacting with me to get a better read on me since I'm not in any of your lists? :/
I have a town read on you.
And I'm not really invested in this game tbh.
Honestly despite the quantity of posts I've made I feel much the same way. Such is the case of normal games. It just isn't the same when Vivax and GB aren't tinfoiling all over the place. Though it usually annoys me, I'm actually missing their pants-on-headness
On December 28 2015 00:57 Damdred wrote: So kush is now a good lynch to a point.
Also...shining could be a good lynch
If anyone cares what I think
Why aren't you interacting with me to get a better read on me since I'm not in any of your lists? :/
I have a town read on you.
And I'm not really invested in this game tbh.
Honestly despite the quantity of posts I've made I feel much the same way. Such is the case of normal games. It just isn't the same when Vivax and GB aren't tinfoiling all over the place. Though it usually annoys me, I'm actually missing their pants-on-headness
I have been mentally overstimulated in this semester, now I don't need to create my own mental mazes
On December 28 2015 01:39 Coagulation wrote: tree stump
that's it? What an intro into the thread. So towny /s
I think I'd be all for lynching coag if this is the shit we get
calm your tits. you know what role I am and I know what role I am how does it do town any good fucking broadcasting it over and over to scum?
Nope I'm not taking it. You're not getting a free pass from me. What role are you? I want you to commit to it right now. No back pedaling saying you didn't say anything later. What's your role?
lol im a mason what the fuck. are you real?
are there mafia bots playing here now?
and who's your mason partner?
Probably not the person that put him as her top townread.
On December 28 2015 03:03 Holyflare wrote: can we leave ness alone, I'm pretty sure he's town at this juncture
Why is that? The only thing that is giving me pause to call him Mafia is that thing Sicklucker said. The early arguments I've brought on him + his reads not making much sense (calling me town, Mafia, then town again, and now suddenly calling Tictock and Exo Mafia out of the blue, especially when Exo looks pretty fownie to me) pretty much sells him out to me as scum.
His play would be extremely suicidal if mafia. And don't even say WIFOM because there's no way to predict that, let alone for a new player.
On December 28 2015 03:08 N e s s wrote: Just fucking lynch me i give up on fucking TL mafia ##Vote N e s s
salty?
Yeah, i'm fucking pissed the hell off so just kill me already.
No point in doing anything if all people are gonna do is say i'm full of shit no?
Stop focussing on just those people. There's only a few who think you're mafia. Most people think you're town and you owe it to them to give it your hardest. It sucks to be called scum but such is the game.
On December 28 2015 03:03 Holyflare wrote: can we leave ness alone, I'm pretty sure he's town at this juncture
Why is that? The only thing that is giving me pause to call him Mafia is that thing Sicklucker said. The early arguments I've brought on him + his reads not making much sense (calling me town, Mafia, then town again, and now suddenly calling Tictock and Exo Mafia out of the blue, especially when Exo looks pretty fownie to me) pretty much sells him out to me as scum.
His play would be extremely suicidal if mafia. And don't even say WIFOM because there's no way to predict that, let alone for a new player.
Which part is suicidal? I actually see a player trying to look better instead of just doing what he wants
I don't see any post that makes me think "I'm trying to look better". From blatantly asking if you can see if people are reading the thread to martyring to denying that you're sharing things. He's highly antagonistic.
On December 28 2015 03:03 Holyflare wrote: can we leave ness alone, I'm pretty sure he's town at this juncture
Why is that? The only thing that is giving me pause to call him Mafia is that thing Sicklucker said. The early arguments I've brought on him + his reads not making much sense (calling me town, Mafia, then town again, and now suddenly calling Tictock and Exo Mafia out of the blue, especially when Exo looks pretty fownie to me) pretty much sells him out to me as scum.
Frankly put because nobody seems to know how to behave in a civilised manner and it's clearly aggravating the guy and stopping him from doing shit and that in turn makes the people with no manners behave worse towards A NEW PERSON THAT SHOULD BE TREATED WITH RESPECT BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE TO STAY ON THIS FORUM.
Everything he says kind of doesn't make any sense but at the same time it looks like honesty, it's kind of like how I treat sicklucker because everything that guy says is gibberish. If you really think he's mafia give him some space ask for his mafia reads and for them to explain it and if you don't like that ask him simple questions that he can respond to and treat him nicely.
Don't do what rayn and exo are doing and calling the guy a moron and treating him like a dick.
-Sheeps Rayn on TT -Asks for a summary of Vivax' case when the summary is long in the thread and he should've already read it if he knew there was a case -Comes out favouring TT over Vivax without explaining anything -Pops back into the thread favouring TT without explaining anything and disappears again. -Makes a few random comments on other things that are completely meaningless.
Basically being a complete non-factor, stating his opinions multiple times without attempting to engage or push anyone. When engaging people he's engaging them on things he doesn't actually care about rather than his scumread and makes no attempt to engage his scumread either.
On December 28 2015 08:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I'm gonna attempt to be good and actually work at work which I've been terrible at so I'll be gone for the next ~18 hours.
So you're gonna throw away your vote on non of the leading wagons on obi when he plays bad a lot and just afk the rest of the day?
Uh, I'll be back long before deadline and I expect people to actually look into him after what I just wrote about him. There's still 24 hours left in the day, we're not 'stuck' to the current main wagons at all.
On December 28 2015 07:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Basically being a complete non-factor, stating his opinions multiple times without attempting to engage or push anyone. When engaging people he's engaging them on things he doesn't actually care about rather than his scumread and makes no attempt to engage his scumread either.
Well he engaged the two most imporatnt things in the game which is more than 60% of the players have done...
I expect scum to be much more concerned with addressing the "most important things in the game", whereas town is more likely to engage the things they care about the most.
On December 28 2015 07:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Basically being a complete non-factor, stating his opinions multiple times without attempting to engage or push anyone. When engaging people he's engaging them on things he doesn't actually care about rather than his scumread and makes no attempt to engage his scumread either.
Well he engaged the two most imporatnt things in the game which is more than 60% of the players have done...
I expect scum to be much more concerned with addressing the "most important things in the game", whereas town is more likely to engage the things they care about the most.
Okay. And given the effort cava has put into the game what shoyld he do?
Spend the little time he has actually telling the thread why he prefers TT over Vivax so we have something to read him on.
On December 28 2015 08:07 Holyflare wrote: What if they just care about the most important things...?
I'm arguing he doesn't actually care about anything. He just addressed everything going on without showing any real care.
On December 28 2015 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 28 2015 08:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 28 2015 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 28 2015 07:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Basically being a complete non-factor, stating his opinions multiple times without attempting to engage or push anyone. When engaging people he's engaging them on things he doesn't actually care about rather than his scumread and makes no attempt to engage his scumread either.
Well he engaged the two most imporatnt things in the game which is more than 60% of the players have done...
I expect scum to be much more concerned with addressing the "most important things in the game", whereas town is more likely to engage the things they care about the most.
Okay. And given the effort cava has put into the game what shoyld he do?
Spend the little time he has actually telling the thread why he prefers TT over Vivax so we have something to read him on.
But he did just that?
On December 28 2015 00:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Alright, I'm caught up. I'm going to vote tictock because his filter is basically a bunch of empty nothingness. Rayn's points on his readslist were solid and I'm going to roll with that.
On December 28 2015 00:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I read it and I don't think his filter is as bad as tictock's. I like my vote where it is atm.
"I think TT is scummier because his filter is worse." That's as much reasoning as "I like the sky better without clouds because it's sunnier."
On December 28 2015 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Slam, ExO is practically confirmed town due to dumbtelling himself into oblivion by not believing the mason claims for forever.
That's a bad reason because he said they are likely VT's fake claiming too.
I'd imagine as mafia you're much more aware of how bad a strategy it would be to fakeclaim as scum. I also don't think he'd put himself in the limelight like that. It just seems very unlikely.
On December 28 2015 08:07 Holyflare wrote: What if they just care about the most important things...?
I'm arguing he doesn't actually care about anything. He just addressed everything going on without showing any real care.
On December 28 2015 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 28 2015 08:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 28 2015 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 28 2015 07:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Basically being a complete non-factor, stating his opinions multiple times without attempting to engage or push anyone. When engaging people he's engaging them on things he doesn't actually care about rather than his scumread and makes no attempt to engage his scumread either.
Well he engaged the two most imporatnt things in the game which is more than 60% of the players have done...
I expect scum to be much more concerned with addressing the "most important things in the game", whereas town is more likely to engage the things they care about the most.
Okay. And given the effort cava has put into the game what shoyld he do?
Spend the little time he has actually telling the thread why he prefers TT over Vivax so we have something to read him on.
But he did just that?
On December 28 2015 00:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Alright, I'm caught up. I'm going to vote tictock because his filter is basically a bunch of empty nothingness. Rayn's points on his readslist were solid and I'm going to roll with that.
On December 28 2015 00:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I read it and I don't think his filter is as bad as tictock's. I like my vote where it is atm.
"I think TT is scummier because his filter is worse." That's as much reasoning as "I like the sky better without clouds because it's sunnier."
Or like... He agrees with my case. Which is btw why you voted for TT..... No?
I didn't agree with your TT read at first because I had my own recollection on him which was inaccurate. I re-evaled him after going through him again which was prompted by someone else.. Was it GB? Think it might be.
Oh that makes sense, there wasn't actually a case. Most of your inital post on TT was bitching about how me and GB were reading GB poorly.
On December 27 2015 12:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: To further my case;
TicTock was more interested in talking about his townreads (which he claimed are not really town reads) instead of his scumreads. As scumreads he just pointed out (easy) names.
Actually my main reason for scumming TT is a discrepancy in appearance; on one hand, giving (weak) reads. On the other hand, claiming not to really care and playing the bravado card.
On December 28 2015 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also if you somehow still doubt me rayn you are really bad this game
Actually I take this back because I can sorta see where you're coming from as there's a bunch of things I've had to backtrack on after you pressed me on them that weren't very sound/more tonally based. You're still okay if you suspect me even if you're wrong.
On December 28 2015 07:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: -Sheeps Rayn on TT -Asks for a summary of Vivax' case when the summary is long in the thread and he should've already read it if he knew there was a case -Comes out favouring TT over Vivax without explaining anything -Pops back into the thread favouring TT without explaining anything and disappears again. -Makes a few random comments on other things that are completely meaningless.
-Asks for a summary of Vivax' case when the summary is long in the thread and he should've already read it if he knew there was a case
This is not true. You can know people want to vote vivax without seeing the one post that contained the "case."
Basically your case boils down to sheeping rayn on TT and staying on TT without explaining why in depth.
He didn't actually miss it though.
On December 28 2015 00:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can someone summarize the case on Vivax for me? I didn't particularly understand it very well the first time I read it.
On December 27 2015 09:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: HF why do you make a massive case on town, then vote Vivax?
I'm going to ignore your wording there but the reason is quite simple, I haven't heard a response from the player I'm questioning yet and he's new whereas Vivax is someone I have played with and his responses or lack thereof are far more concerning.
On December 27 2015 09:29 Damdred wrote: Because rit is obvious town if you pay attention even if he a wrong. Mixture of tone posts and a couple of things
To me he still is pretty null, easy to make posts
They are both posts that say absolutely nothing and weigh in to no debate whatsoever, I don't see Vivax sidelining in this situation at all I'd at least expect a reaction to something or an inquisitive line of thought.
Was HF's case that he supposedly didn't understand.
On December 28 2015 00:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can someone summarize the case on Vivax for me? I didn't particularly understand it very well the first time I read it.
He's not posting much and when he is posting it's being a complete non-factor.
That sounds fantastic. I'm going to double check some stuff.
I basically said the same thing, yet suddenly it's fantastic.
On December 27 2015 09:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: HF why do you make a massive case on town, then vote Vivax?
I'm going to ignore your wording there but the reason is quite simple, I haven't heard a response from the player I'm questioning yet and he's new whereas Vivax is someone I have played with and his responses or lack thereof are far more concerning.
On December 27 2015 09:26 Vivax wrote:
On December 27 2015 09:25 Damdred wrote: Hi rit can we be town bros this game?
Why would he be town with his posts so far
On December 27 2015 09:32 Vivax wrote:
On December 27 2015 09:29 Damdred wrote: Because rit is obvious town if you pay attention even if he a wrong. Mixture of tone posts and a couple of things
To me he still is pretty null, easy to make posts
They are both posts that say absolutely nothing and weigh in to no debate whatsoever, I don't see Vivax sidelining in this situation at all I'd at least expect a reaction to something or an inquisitive line of thought.
Was HF's case that he supposedly didn't understand.
On December 28 2015 00:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On December 28 2015 00:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 28 2015 00:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can someone summarize the case on Vivax for me? I didn't particularly understand it very well the first time I read it.
He's not posting much and when he is posting it's being a complete non-factor.
That sounds fantastic. I'm going to double check some stuff.
I basically said the same thing, yet suddenly it's fantastic.
Thinking this might actually make you mafia ftr.
I'm presuming you think I'm calling you mafia for being able to read something better the second time.
I'm not. I'm calling you mafia because the question you asked was not a sincere question. I believe if you put in more than a second to think about it, you would've understood exactly what he said. You're just attempting to blend in by 'engaging' people the way you did, but you don't actually care about who gets lynched.
On December 29 2015 01:49 rsoultin wrote: raaaayn i think art is most likely town and ows is most likely scum where's our disconnect?
if you said it before, i'm sorry, it's just a big thread and my memory's not the best
But OWS is not scum because TT is.
This is terrible reasoning Rayn. I do think it would look good for him if TT is, but it definitely doesn't make him certain town in the slightest.
I actually think your TT case is ok, though it does rely on it not being laziness. Even the same reasoning thing does because he can just not care and say that as town.
That said I think it's likelier to come from scum.
On December 29 2015 02:37 GlowingBear wrote: Also, Palmar, if you hadn't read anything and you didn't catch up, how do you know coag and rsoultin are masons?
This guy probably mafia too tbh.
I had the same feeling but then i read the name above the post.
On December 29 2015 02:54 Holyflare wrote: Yup classic GB fake mafia anger. Not only are your points illogical (I couldn't have made Vivax claim, I said I don't really want to lynch Ness straight away after etc etc) but they are ones that you yourself FOLLOW IN SENTIMENT.
On December 29 2015 02:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 29 2015 02:39 Holyflare wrote:
On December 29 2015 02:37 GlowingBear wrote: Also, Palmar, if you hadn't read anything and you didn't catch up, how do you know coag and rsoultin are masons?
This guy probably mafia too tbh.
Who's not Mafia in this game? All you have been doing is pushing a guy that people are telling you you should give him more time for his recent plays, and you keep pushing him until he claims. Then you want to lunch Tictock and ness, who you have been townreading. Why do you want to lynch ness now, Holyflare? What changed?
Let's look at this post as a classic example of a wtf he's mafia moment. GB is calling me out for:
A) Being suspicious of Vivax which is weird as fuck because:
On December 28 2015 04:18 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 28 2015 04:08 Vivax wrote: If you're town and know you're never going to read this game gtfo.
If you're mafia just wait until i lynch you thats okay too
And now I agree with you HF, Vivax might be the best lynch today
B) Being suspicious of TickTock:
On December 28 2015 00:35 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 28 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i really think TT is scum because everyone and their mother is willing to lynch Vivax at least on some level but everyone and their mother also refuses to commit on even giving a read on TT.
Let's do it
##Vote: Tictock
C) Being suspicious of N E S S:
On December 28 2015 03:06 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 28 2015 03:03 Holyflare wrote: can we leave ness alone, I'm pretty sure he's town at this juncture
Why is that? The only thing that is giving me pause to call him Mafia is that thing Sicklucker said. The early arguments I've brought on him + his reads not making much sense (calling me town, Mafia, then town again, and now suddenly calling Tictock and Exo Mafia out of the blue, especially when Exo looks pretty fownie to me) pretty much sells him out to me as scum.
D) Being suspicious of Kush:
-absent because GB has been afk for ages-
So, what do we see here ladies and gentleman? Glowingbear is accusing me of calling all his mafia reads mafia and then using it to call me mafia.
/case
get rekt GB
Yeah, you're mafia.
You're completely twisting my argument here. You can call all my scum reads scum and do nothing about it. Yes, I've said after a long time that Vivax might be the best lynch because there was enough time for him to react and he didn't. But you have been pushing him since the beginning of the game while calling everyone else suspicious but doing nothing about it.
And about "D", I think kush is more likely to be town than mafia here, out of tone basically. I remember very well his mafia play in avogadro's mini mafia and it's nothing like this. Plus I think him going against Palmar was an okay play. Also, why would he come back to the thread like that, drawing all attention he can? Pretty much suicidal.
I'm voting you
Wait, you think HF is mafia because he pushed his main suspect whilst pushing others as well?
On December 29 2015 02:54 Holyflare wrote: Yup classic GB fake mafia anger. Not only are your points illogical (I couldn't have made Vivax claim, I said I don't really want to lynch Ness straight away after etc etc) but they are ones that you yourself FOLLOW IN SENTIMENT.
On December 29 2015 02:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 29 2015 02:39 Holyflare wrote:
On December 29 2015 02:37 GlowingBear wrote: Also, Palmar, if you hadn't read anything and you didn't catch up, how do you know coag and rsoultin are masons?
This guy probably mafia too tbh.
Who's not Mafia in this game? All you have been doing is pushing a guy that people are telling you you should give him more time for his recent plays, and you keep pushing him until he claims. Then you want to lunch Tictock and ness, who you have been townreading. Why do you want to lynch ness now, Holyflare? What changed?
Let's look at this post as a classic example of a wtf he's mafia moment. GB is calling me out for:
A) Being suspicious of Vivax which is weird as fuck because:
On December 28 2015 04:18 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 28 2015 04:08 Vivax wrote: If you're town and know you're never going to read this game gtfo.
If you're mafia just wait until i lynch you thats okay too
And now I agree with you HF, Vivax might be the best lynch today
B) Being suspicious of TickTock:
On December 28 2015 00:35 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 28 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i really think TT is scum because everyone and their mother is willing to lynch Vivax at least on some level but everyone and their mother also refuses to commit on even giving a read on TT.
Let's do it
##Vote: Tictock
C) Being suspicious of N E S S:
On December 28 2015 03:06 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 28 2015 03:03 Holyflare wrote: can we leave ness alone, I'm pretty sure he's town at this juncture
Why is that? The only thing that is giving me pause to call him Mafia is that thing Sicklucker said. The early arguments I've brought on him + his reads not making much sense (calling me town, Mafia, then town again, and now suddenly calling Tictock and Exo Mafia out of the blue, especially when Exo looks pretty fownie to me) pretty much sells him out to me as scum.
D) Being suspicious of Kush:
-absent because GB has been afk for ages-
So, what do we see here ladies and gentleman? Glowingbear is accusing me of calling all his mafia reads mafia and then using it to call me mafia.
/case
get rekt GB
Yeah, you're mafia.
You're completely twisting my argument here. You can call all my scum reads scum and do nothing about it. Yes, I've said after a long time that Vivax might be the best lynch because there was enough time for him to react and he didn't. But you have been pushing him since the beginning of the game while calling everyone else suspicious but doing nothing about it.
And about "D", I think kush is more likely to be town than mafia here, out of tone basically. I remember very well his mafia play in avogadro's mini mafia and it's nothing like this. Plus I think him going against Palmar was an okay play. Also, why would he come back to the thread like that, drawing all attention he can? Pretty much suicidal.
I'm voting you
Wait, you think HF is mafia because he pushed his main suspect whilst pushing others as well?
No, Artanis, I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie while mildly throwing suspicions everywhere and not further investigating it even when me and sicklucker kept saying that he should give Vivax more time.
It's not about WHO he said is scum, it's about HOW he is throwing suspicions everywhere while doing nothing with them.
He agrees that Tictock is scum and there are two cases on him, but then decided to go against kush for a "leap of read" that doesn't make anyone scum.
I'm not actually convinced Vivax is actually JK. I can easily see him fakeclaiming both as VT and as scum honestly and I wouldn't blame a JK to not claim expecting the NK's to sort it out.
Also, he has actually engaged Vivax during that at times. As for him throwing suspicions everywhere whilst doing nothing with them, I can see that coming from either alignment. I also don't think choosing Kush over TT as a lynch is alignment indicative unless TT is actually scum, in which case why don't you actually vote TT whom has a realistic chance of flipping today over HF?
I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie....[...]
GB saying things like this only makes you look terrible. If you don't understand why, then i can't help you.
"WHILE" is the most important word here, that you kept out.
Pushing a townie is okay.
Pushing a townie while throwing suspicions everywhere and doing nothing with them while people kept saying he should backoff and agreeing Tictock is scummy while not even trying to vote him once is not.
On December 29 2015 02:54 Holyflare wrote: Yup classic GB fake mafia anger. Not only are your points illogical (I couldn't have made Vivax claim, I said I don't really want to lynch Ness straight away after etc etc) but they are ones that you yourself FOLLOW IN SENTIMENT.
On December 29 2015 02:47 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 29 2015 02:39 Holyflare wrote: [quote]
This guy probably mafia too tbh.
Who's not Mafia in this game? All you have been doing is pushing a guy that people are telling you you should give him more time for his recent plays, and you keep pushing him until he claims. Then you want to lunch Tictock and ness, who you have been townreading. Why do you want to lynch ness now, Holyflare? What changed?
Let's look at this post as a classic example of a wtf he's mafia moment. GB is calling me out for:
A) Being suspicious of Vivax which is weird as fuck because:
On December 28 2015 04:18 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 28 2015 04:08 Vivax wrote: If you're town and know you're never going to read this game gtfo.
If you're mafia just wait until i lynch you thats okay too
And now I agree with you HF, Vivax might be the best lynch today
B) Being suspicious of TickTock:
On December 28 2015 00:35 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 28 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i really think TT is scum because everyone and their mother is willing to lynch Vivax at least on some level but everyone and their mother also refuses to commit on even giving a read on TT.
Let's do it
##Vote: Tictock
C) Being suspicious of N E S S:
On December 28 2015 03:06 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 28 2015 03:03 Holyflare wrote: can we leave ness alone, I'm pretty sure he's town at this juncture
Why is that? The only thing that is giving me pause to call him Mafia is that thing Sicklucker said. The early arguments I've brought on him + his reads not making much sense (calling me town, Mafia, then town again, and now suddenly calling Tictock and Exo Mafia out of the blue, especially when Exo looks pretty fownie to me) pretty much sells him out to me as scum.
D) Being suspicious of Kush:
-absent because GB has been afk for ages-
So, what do we see here ladies and gentleman? Glowingbear is accusing me of calling all his mafia reads mafia and then using it to call me mafia.
/case
get rekt GB
Yeah, you're mafia.
You're completely twisting my argument here. You can call all my scum reads scum and do nothing about it. Yes, I've said after a long time that Vivax might be the best lynch because there was enough time for him to react and he didn't. But you have been pushing him since the beginning of the game while calling everyone else suspicious but doing nothing about it.
And about "D", I think kush is more likely to be town than mafia here, out of tone basically. I remember very well his mafia play in avogadro's mini mafia and it's nothing like this. Plus I think him going against Palmar was an okay play. Also, why would he come back to the thread like that, drawing all attention he can? Pretty much suicidal.
I'm voting you
Wait, you think HF is mafia because he pushed his main suspect whilst pushing others as well?
No, Artanis, I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie while mildly throwing suspicions everywhere and not further investigating it even when me and sicklucker kept saying that he should give Vivax more time.
It's not about WHO he said is scum, it's about HOW he is throwing suspicions everywhere while doing nothing with them.
He agrees that Tictock is scum and there are two cases on him, but then decided to go against kush for a "leap of read" that doesn't make anyone scum.
and then notice where my vote was and how I was exploring the other avenues at the time, I've said I've wanted to lynch TT since rayn first talked about it on like page 10
EXACTLY! And yet you never voted Tictock. You just decided kush was scum for bullshitty reasons, then you throw suspicions at me while twisting my arguments, and now you're voting me.
On December 29 2015 02:11 Holyflare wrote: ##unvote ##vote TickTock
???????????????? ?????????????????? ??????????
I mean basic fact checking isn't even in GB's mafia repertoire
I can see this being a really stressed out town GB atm. Let him explain himself so we have a chance of finding out.
On December 29 2015 03:19 Damdred wrote: Tbh what hf says makes a lot of sense here its not shit and it does show a interesting thing.
GB tell me when did you first suspect hf
Right now, after seeing him throwing suspicions everywhere (GB might be mafia, Ness might be mafia), and the more I think of it the more things fits (his push on kush, his reluctancy from not lynching Tictock and keeping on Vivax)
He asked when you first started to. Was it literally when he posted his case on you?
I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie....[...]
GB saying things like this only makes you look terrible. If you don't understand why, then i can't help you.
"WHILE" is the most important word here, that you kept out.
Pushing a townie is okay.
Pushing a townie while throwing suspicions everywhere and doing nothing with them while people kept saying he should backoff and agreeing Tictock is scummy while not even trying to vote him once is not.
This is a really shitty case GlowingBear.....
Tell me what's wrong with it
Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid). If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead. Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does....
Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it.
He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me.
My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments.
So your main case on him is association based on TT being mafia. TT has a lot of votes. HF had none. Why did you vote HF instead of TT?
I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie....[...]
GB saying things like this only makes you look terrible. If you don't understand why, then i can't help you.
"WHILE" is the most important word here, that you kept out.
Pushing a townie is okay.
Pushing a townie while throwing suspicions everywhere and doing nothing with them while people kept saying he should backoff and agreeing Tictock is scummy while not even trying to vote him once is not.
This is a really shitty case GlowingBear.....
Tell me what's wrong with it
Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid). If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead. Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does....
Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it.
He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me.
My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments.
So your main case on him is association based on TT being mafia. TT has a lot of votes. HF had none. Why did you vote HF instead of TT?
It's not actually based on association. If someone calls a case "good" and that "that player might be mafia", but refuses to go on it and starts throwing suspicions everywhere by twisting arguments and going against NAI things, it doesn't fit a town perspective. Why would a townie behave this way?
Why would a mafia behave that way if TT is town? It would make it NAI.
On December 29 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] GB saying things like this only makes you look terrible. If you don't understand why, then i can't help you.
"WHILE" is the most important word here, that you kept out.
Pushing a townie is okay.
Pushing a townie while throwing suspicions everywhere and doing nothing with them while people kept saying he should backoff and agreeing Tictock is scummy while not even trying to vote him once is not.
This is a really shitty case GlowingBear.....
Tell me what's wrong with it
Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid). If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead. Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does....
Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it.
He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me.
My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments.
So your main case on him is association based on TT being mafia. TT has a lot of votes. HF had none. Why did you vote HF instead of TT?
It's not actually based on association. If someone calls a case "good" and that "that player might be mafia", but refuses to go on it and starts throwing suspicions everywhere by twisting arguments and going against NAI things, it doesn't fit a town perspective. Why would a townie behave this way?
Why would a mafia behave that way if TT is town? It would make it NAI.
TT might be mafia, and he has a very good shot at being mafia. I don't know why would a mafia behave like that if TT is town. IF TT is town. I don't know if he is, so I can't say how a mafia would behave now. I can, however, work with the facts in the thread, and I don't see a townie behaving the way I described HF is.
Let me get this straight if TT is town, you don't understand HF's behaviour as either alignment. if TT is mafia, you think it strongly implicates HF. Regardless, you believe the chance of TT being mafia is lower than that of HF being mafia. Am I correct?
On December 29 2015 03:33 Vivax wrote: Time to play a bit with HF:
Im not actually JK
Oh boy, here we go
On December 29 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 29 2015 03:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 29 2015 03:32 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 29 2015 03:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 29 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 29 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 29 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 29 2015 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] This is a really shitty case GlowingBear.....
Tell me what's wrong with it
Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid). If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead. Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does....
Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it.
He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me.
My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments.
So your main case on him is association based on TT being mafia. TT has a lot of votes. HF had none. Why did you vote HF instead of TT?
It's not actually based on association. If someone calls a case "good" and that "that player might be mafia", but refuses to go on it and starts throwing suspicions everywhere by twisting arguments and going against NAI things, it doesn't fit a town perspective. Why would a townie behave this way?
Why would a mafia behave that way if TT is town? It would make it NAI.
TT might be mafia, and he has a very good shot at being mafia. I don't know why would a mafia behave like that if TT is town. IF TT is town. I don't know if he is, so I can't say how a mafia would behave now. I can, however, work with the facts in the thread, and I don't see a townie behaving the way I described HF is.
Let me get this straight if TT is town, you don't understand HF's behaviour as either alignment. if TT is mafia, you think it strongly implicates HF. Regardless, you believe the chance of TT being mafia is lower than that of HF being mafia. Am I correct?
No Artanis, my logic is: if I see a behaviour that doesn't fits any town perspective, the said person is mafia. I didn't think of it more than this
On December 29 2015 03:51 Damdred wrote: I sorta agree with art I can see town GB acting this dumb over nai things.
I hate this. It's always this "GB you're dumb", "GB your argument doesn't make sense", then the guy flips mafia.
You guys just don't want to lynch Holyflare because he is Holyflare.
His last two games:
[M][N] OT vs The Mods Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 [N] TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4
I don't think that flies anymore. If everyone, including your buddy Rayn says your argumentation is poor, you may want to reconsider it. It's very possible that you're right that HF is scum, but if he is, what you laid out isn't why.
I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie....[...]
GB saying things like this only makes you look terrible. If you don't understand why, then i can't help you.
"WHILE" is the most important word here, that you kept out.
Pushing a townie is okay.
Pushing a townie while throwing suspicions everywhere and doing nothing with them while people kept saying he should backoff and agreeing Tictock is scummy while not even trying to vote him once is not.
This is a really shitty case GlowingBear.....
Tell me what's wrong with it
Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid). If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead. Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does....
Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it.
He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me.
My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments.
So your main case on him is association based on TT being mafia. TT has a lot of votes. HF had none. Why did you vote HF instead of TT?
On December 29 2015 04:03 Koshi wrote: Yeah I am locked on TT.
I feel pretty much the same way and am now bored until the flip.
Can you break down your case on TT?
Reminded me of Rayn's case on Vivax a while back where Vivax called someone scum, then called him scum again later and cited only reasons from after he first accused that person. TT did something similar though it can be explained more with laziness. However, the rest of his filter is so wishywashy that I'm very okay with lynching him.
On December 29 2015 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is not a world where scum!HF does not insta-vote town!TT when Vivax claims.
Why not? Do you think hes that easily predictable?
Until i see a game that proves me wrong yes. This is like one of the easiest things to figure out.
He made it clear he was just spite voting me (idk why) after my claim so you cant bring that argument.
When I made 2 posts he was already convinced I was mafia.
I was also pretty cunvinced you are mafia from the beginning of the game until you claimed. Just because i didn't put my same basket as HF doesn't make him any more scum than anyone who thought you were mafia -- because it was actually fucking reasonable to assume you were mafia, tbh....
I don't think Scum!Vivax unclaims there without a good reason. There was a good chance there'd be a thread backlash onto him. It only makes sense if one of GB/HF is scum imo.
With HF it wouldn't make sense because they've been hardpushing each other for a while (a double bus is not impossible but eh). With GB I could sort of see it make sense, but you may just get two scum wagons instead of scum/town and you don't get a JK CC.
I think Vivax has a good chance of being town here.
On December 29 2015 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also Rayn if you thought I'd ever post a chart-related reason like that as scum and not actually have a chart you're very silly
I can't actually be arsed to make charts as scum though. Nor have an 8 page filter on D1 unless I really really like my team.
I'm so tried of everyone saying;
I can't be arsed to do X as scum. That's only true until it isn't anymore.
That's all fine and dandy, but I know it's true for me and there's a few that know this of me Damdy's probably one of them, and he was scum with me in the 500-page monstrosity. He knows what it took and even then I still almost gave up
On December 29 2015 04:22 Damdred wrote: Art you can trust me 100% shining is town.
Can you break it down for me?
First thing is tone, generally as scum he has a defeated tone/attitude towards the thread especially when it gets beyond his scope of catching up especially after the horrible week he had had apparently at work. His tone (in my opinion at least) sounded care free and wanting to get to work in the game.
Secondly he totally hates d1, as scum he 100% won't play will make excuses and do the bare minimum will never come back to stuff and if he ever does will be huge posts that you can't really make sense in and is hard to interact with him.
Here he says he will do things and doesn't quite get to everything but does make his posts readable and wants people to interact with him. And answeres questions posed to him in a thoughtful way.
Overall i'm pretty sataisfied that this is town shining
Hm, feels a bit weak still but I'll give him a light shade of green just for you.
On December 29 2015 04:35 ExO_ wrote: where's rsoultin/coag btw? would be nice to have people who I (more or less) can trust at this point giving opinions
I know Tina's very busy with family currently. Coag's usually afk.
On December 29 2015 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am officially retracting from playing until i am dead or Vivax is dead. When smart people become dumb as fuck all hope is lost.
Wait, when was the last game Vivax didn't do something very dumb in a game at some point?
I'm actually quite okay with the Rels lynch because he's pretty difficult to read either way. That said, I think there's probably scum motivation because a Town!Rels lynch is much better for scum than a Town!TT lynch, and much much better than a Scum!TT lynch.
Ritoky comes off looking pretty bad from the people that switched imo. Calls TT's post pretty meh, yet still shenannies on for seemingly no reason.
Unfortunately most other people on Rels seem pretty townie so either I'm wrong and it's just a bad switch or I'm quite wrong about a bunch of people in this game.
I don't really have good reasons to want to lynch HF yet other than him being the strongest active player I'm not townreading and some tone shit yet. Also need to go through Palmar a bit better.
Personal don't ever lynch list:
Masons
Rayn
Damdred
SL
ExO_
Trfel
Koshi (much to my dismay)
Probably also don't lynch Vivax, GB and Ness though I'm getting a bit less sure of the latter.
Rayn, Vivax being dumb doesn't make him scum. I'm pretty sure he's town. Also pretty sure Koshi is town, just don't think he bothers as much as he has. Seems invested in the game and has emotions which is usually enough. Could lynch Palmar probably.
On December 29 2015 07:52 Koshi wrote: 21/20 people voting for the same target and Rels his case is:
"OWS thinks I am mafia for voting with him"
True this is bad. But I don't remember OWS doing stuff recently, so him being "really" at a sheep post after Damdred said the same thing is suspicious to me. It only makes sense if TT is scum though.
On December 29 2015 20:05 Holyflare wrote: Hey artanis can you explain how you go from townreading me to putting me in a lynch list? Doesn't quite make sense.
Also I like exo's post on ritoky that's pretty good evidence for him being mafia if he knew TT does this as mafia but switched anyway, especially as TT's posts weren't convincing at all.
I've been saying I'm kinda tonereading you as scum for a while now. Already said before I didn't have any concrete reasons for it so I haven't really pushed it much. Just feels like the aggression with which you post and the places you poke at feel more likely to be scum. Not something you can do or say much with so I haven't really expanded or pushed on it yet. Currently can go either way and the main reason you're on the lynch list is because I want people to look into you as I'm far from certain I can read you.
On December 29 2015 20:15 Holyflare wrote: Because from what I see is in your filter you town read me and then retract it because I follow my town meta and then somehow when I do the opposite to what you call me scummy for you still have me in a lynch list?
With TT the guy who I tried to kill.
It's not based on the what, but the how. Feels bro.
On December 29 2015 20:20 Holyflare wrote: I mean the reasons your filter state:
I think hf is town and gb mafia raym because clealy hf is pushing logically and gb isn't!
I think hf is town because he's pushing his main wagon and looking at other people.
I think hf might be mafia because despite his progression on ness he definitely just judged thread interest and backed off even though a lot of people think ness was scummy.
I think hf is mafia because he's not aggressive.
Even though I think he's not aggressive which is his town meta he's mafia.
Now he's arguing with gb and vivax and lynching ticktock despite shenanigans he's still mafia.
I'm not really sure I can follow the logic so please correct me if I'm wrong and explain what your read actually is.
I thought your original approach was townie. My main issue with you is feeling there's a discrepancy between the way you post and what intuitively would make sense to me. You're tonally inconsistent in a way that suggests to me that some of it is feigned. I can't be more specific right now because I'm on my phone as I blocked TL on my laptop so I wouldn't actually get myself distracted during work (lol look how thats working out for me).
You are not my favoured lynch. That would be OWS. You are however suspicious and I would like people to look into you. I will do the same after work.
Rayn if I die and you don't and you get town vivax lynched D2 I will be very mad at you.
If you get him lynched and he's somehow actually scum I will profusely apologize. I doubt it though. Not only due to the claim and unclaim timing but also his extreme cockiness. If he's scum he wouldn't keep antagonizing you, no point.
On December 29 2015 20:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Rayn if I die and you don't and you get town vivax lynched D2 I will be very mad at you.
If you get him lynched and he's somehow actually scum I will profusely apologize. I doubt it though. Not only due to the claim and unclaim timing but also his extreme cockiness. If he's scum he wouldn't keep antagonizing you, no point.
He is not town if he doesn't die this night so i don't really care to discuss this.
Mafia sees you basically 100% wanting to lynch vivax. I don't see why they'd shoot him at all. Even the shitstorm tomorrow alone is worth keeping him around, especially since they can just RB if he is.
On March 21 2014 04:49 Vivax wrote: I'm still not caught up with the thread, I'm also tired today, and I don't see how I can save myself from this lynch.
I give up and I don't want to play this game anymore, I'm tired of getting called scum whenever I have a life outside of this fucking game compared to people like rayn. Get this over with and I hope it's going to make you feel extremely satisfacted to see me flipping green you bad bastards.
Hope scum wins this game, this town doesn't deserve to win. I gave you scum on a silver plate and you rejected it for some shitty reasoning.
.....? Do you want to guess what alignment he was?
Needs context. That looks like martyring, this looks like cockiness.
On December 29 2015 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'll give you a hint + Show Spoiler +
this is an open setup and Vivax is never gonna be green in this game
I don't think that's necessarily true. Also scum can be fine just constantly RBing the JK if he is, or at least for a bit. With so many people its unlikely they'd get to RB a blue anyway.
On December 29 2015 20:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care. If he lives he is scum. If he lives and is not scum then the scumteam is retarded.
If I was scum here I rb him shoot me/rso/damdred and let you tunnel him alll day.
Okay work now.
Yeah you know like.... When D2 starts people will vote for Vivax. Then he claims jailkeeper again. Then when noone counter-claims him he becomes confirmed town. Or mafia can counter-claim him and trade 1-1 which is in your opinion better than just get rid of the fucking blue town role who is going to be confirmed town on D2?!?!?
Right Artanis? srsly?
I presumed that the very fact of him still being alive would be enough for you to push him even without a CC. Thought we were dealing with the true tunnelrayn.
Very well, carry on. Still think he can be green though.
On December 29 2015 20:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i would never ever shoot rsoultin in this game on N1 because her play tbh here has been quite abysmal... I'd personally shoot the gunsmith. I guess i can say this because VayneAuthority is not in the game and scum seem to not be reading the thread anyways.
Eh, she can always step it up later and she's confirmed town. I def would. Not like there's many better choices anyway since most clear townies aren't clear townies because they're playing well.
On December 29 2015 20:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care. If he lives he is scum. If he lives and is not scum then the scumteam is retarded.
If I was scum here I rb him shoot me/rso/damdred and let you tunnel him alll day.
Okay work now.
Yeah you know like.... When D2 starts people will vote for Vivax. Then he claims jailkeeper again. Then when noone counter-claims him he becomes confirmed town. Or mafia can counter-claim him and trade 1-1 which is in your opinion better than just get rid of the fucking blue town role who is going to be confirmed town on D2?!?!?
Right Artanis? srsly?
I presumed that the very fact of him still being alive would be enough for you to push him even without a CC. Thought we were dealing with the true tunnelrayn.
Very well, carry on. Still think he can be green though.
I might wanna lynch stupid even when it's not sure it hits scum, but i am not completely retarded.... Vivax is not green, never. Never ever.
And then I turned my mobile on again to see Rayn's response. Both disappointed in him and myself. Here's my suggestion: If Vivax is mafia, I owe you a drink. If Vivax is VT, you owe me one. If he's blue or one of us is JK/scum it's a wash.
Palmar, you should probably tell your scumteam to shoot me because if I'm alive tomorrow, I shall bring down the thunder upon you and get you lynched as you are most likely mafia.
On December 29 2015 23:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Oh btw, I think Artanis is mafia as well. Normally I just ignore people tunneling me for terrible reasons but the point I raised earlier still stands:
On December 29 2015 16:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: At what point does someone go "my top scumreads are trying to kill each other so they're both scum?" It makes no sense. It didn't make sense before and it doesn't make sense now.
I still think this is totally irrational and scummy.
But he had that pretty excel reads list. It's a ashit reason but also a true reason I think. As to your point about two scumeads voting for each other. 1. there is bussing 2 he wasn't certain about either scumread
For me , at this point in the game, two scumreads voting each other would probably be a nonfactor.
This. If you think I'm mafia for having two scumreads where one voted the other on D1 with 25 players when I wasn't certain on either of you, you're being pretty bad.
Also if I'm right on Palmar I don't think OWS is scum because I don't think two scum are going to be the only ones to attack me when everyone else is townreading me.
On December 30 2015 00:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Palmar, you should probably tell your scumteam to shoot me because if I'm alive tomorrow, I shall bring down the thunder upon you and get you lynched as you are most likely mafia.
I don't believe this and I think this post makes you mafia.
There is no way that you act reasonable and amiable towards me this morning and when I start mentioning it you're suddenly ready to "bring down the thunder".
It's not a believable change in attitude and it makes you mafia every time.
On December 30 2015 00:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I might just yell lynch Palmar all day kinda like he did to Toad in Hammertime. Wonder if it'd work.
Same thing.
To clarify to others:
I do not believe the change (or complete shift) in attitude by Artanis towards me is genuine. I think it is heavily influenced by me calling him out for the relaxed attitude earlier.
It is in fact because of that, yes. Though it's more annoyance at being called scum for extraordinarily shitty reasons. Coupled with the fact that I really don't think you play this way as town leads me to both be invigorated to call you scum as well as convinced of it.
On December 30 2015 00:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also if I'm right on Palmar I don't think OWS is scum because I don't think two scum are going to be the only ones to attack me when everyone else is townreading me.
But you definitely think the one guy who does is scum.
Especially the one that both lead the suspicion and the one that actually provided reasoning.
If you are somehow town, you should dismiss my suspicions as just that and actually consider me more favorably for actually exploring things that others aren't exploring.
OWS is barely attacking you, he said like one sentence about you. Even I am not really attacking you, I just pointed out a tonal thing that looks a bit off and could make you mafia, and you decided to make a u-turn on everything because of those two little things.
There is no way that you genuinely 100% believe that my suspicion of you can ONLY come from mafia perspective.
No, you have no focus. You haven't had focus all game. You're just spewing out what you think gets you townread. Your effort has not been in finding scum.
I don't need to convince you that you're scum though.
You weren't like this in Hammertime. You weren't like this in Noir. You weren't like this in Tropical Storm. Funny thing is, in LXX you actually townread me for being fairly casual in interacting with you, yet you scumread me for it this game.
On March 20 2015 23:35 Palmar wrote: I don't think Artanis is mafia. Like obviously this only works for me, but if he is mafia he knows I'm town and he's been fairly casual in trying to interact with me, which he wasn't at all in imperial (I know, shitty meta, but still...).
The same thing you're scumreading me for this game.
On December 30 2015 00:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also if I'm right on Palmar I don't think OWS is scum because I don't think two scum are going to be the only ones to attack me when everyone else is townreading me.
But you definitely think the one guy who does is scum.
Especially the one that both lead the suspicion and the one that actually provided reasoning.
If you are somehow town, you should dismiss my suspicions as just that and actually consider me more favorably for actually exploring things that others aren't exploring.
OWS is barely attacking you, he said like one sentence about you. Even I am not really attacking you, I just pointed out a tonal thing that looks a bit off and could make you mafia, and you decided to make a u-turn on everything because of those two little things.
There is no way that you genuinely 100% believe that my suspicion of you can ONLY come from mafia perspective.
No, you have no focus. You haven't had focus all game. You're just spewing out what you think gets you townread. Your effort has not been in finding scum.
I don't need to convince you that you're scum though.
At what point did you discover I had no focus and thus I must be killed with a vengeance? Because I don't recall you mentioning anything of the sort before right now?
What do you even mean by focus?
You're prodding everywhere but you're not actually doing anything. Everything you do and read seems convenient and focused more on just posting things than anything else.
On December 30 2015 01:16 Palmar wrote: Actually screw it. I just looked at artanis' filter. He didn't mention me at all before this. He started out yesterday by asking me to look into OWS then not caring that I didn't. Same thing with HF this night. He did at some point start going along with thread sentiment.
"Could probably lynch Palmar" "Should look more into Palmar"
etc
But no reasons, no proof that he has actually read it.
Then he returns to the thread and suddenly it's "I WILL LITERALLY SKULLFUCK YOUR CORPSE PALMAR", and I'm like "dude relax".
The only reasonable explanation is that artanis actually read through my filter and now believes he found something. The problem of course is he's been bitching about not being able to play so I really doubt that. I also feel like he would've mentioned it if he read through my filter.
This makes him mafia every time.
I actually still haven't gone through your filter again. I'm going simply from recollection.
I don't think this is a wise duel for you to take though.
On December 30 2015 00:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also if I'm right on Palmar I don't think OWS is scum because I don't think two scum are going to be the only ones to attack me when everyone else is townreading me.
But you definitely think the one guy who does is scum.
Especially the one that both lead the suspicion and the one that actually provided reasoning.
If you are somehow town, you should dismiss my suspicions as just that and actually consider me more favorably for actually exploring things that others aren't exploring.
OWS is barely attacking you, he said like one sentence about you. Even I am not really attacking you, I just pointed out a tonal thing that looks a bit off and could make you mafia, and you decided to make a u-turn on everything because of those two little things.
There is no way that you genuinely 100% believe that my suspicion of you can ONLY come from mafia perspective.
No, you have no focus. You haven't had focus all game. You're just spewing out what you think gets you townread. Your effort has not been in finding scum.
I don't need to convince you that you're scum though.
At what point did you discover I had no focus and thus I must be killed with a vengeance? Because I don't recall you mentioning anything of the sort before right now?
What do you even mean by focus?
You're prodding everywhere but you're not actually doing anything. Everything you do and read seems convenient and focused more on just posting things than anything else.
No I'm not. The only thing that is barely true is that yes, I am mostly interacting with the things that are in the thread when I am in the thread. Other than that, this is just bullshit.
Alright. What original thoughts have you brought to the thread?
On December 30 2015 01:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You weren't like this in Hammertime. You weren't like this in Noir. You weren't like this in Tropical Storm. Funny thing is, in LXX you actually townread me for being fairly casual in interacting with you, yet you scumread me for it this game.
On March 20 2015 23:35 Palmar wrote: I don't think Artanis is mafia. Like obviously this only works for me, but if he is mafia he knows I'm town and he's been fairly casual in trying to interact with me, which he wasn't at all in imperial (I know, shitty meta, but still...).
The same thing you're scumreading me for this game.
Lol.
I was mafia in that game...
jesus
So you're saying that you didn't believe in that read?
Whenever I'm mafia, I usually make reads that I'd actually believe in/follow the reasoning of if I were town presuming they're not completely inconvenient. I'd imagine it's much the same for everyone else, especially when you're townreading someone.
On December 30 2015 00:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also if I'm right on Palmar I don't think OWS is scum because I don't think two scum are going to be the only ones to attack me when everyone else is townreading me.
But you definitely think the one guy who does is scum.
Especially the one that both lead the suspicion and the one that actually provided reasoning.
If you are somehow town, you should dismiss my suspicions as just that and actually consider me more favorably for actually exploring things that others aren't exploring.
OWS is barely attacking you, he said like one sentence about you. Even I am not really attacking you, I just pointed out a tonal thing that looks a bit off and could make you mafia, and you decided to make a u-turn on everything because of those two little things.
There is no way that you genuinely 100% believe that my suspicion of you can ONLY come from mafia perspective.
No, you have no focus. You haven't had focus all game. You're just spewing out what you think gets you townread. Your effort has not been in finding scum.
I don't need to convince you that you're scum though.
At what point did you discover I had no focus and thus I must be killed with a vengeance? Because I don't recall you mentioning anything of the sort before right now?
What do you even mean by focus?
You're prodding everywhere but you're not actually doing anything. Everything you do and read seems convenient and focused more on just posting things than anything else.
No I'm not. The only thing that is barely true is that yes, I am mostly interacting with the things that are in the thread when I am in the thread. Other than that, this is just bullshit.
Alright. What original thoughts have you brought to the thread?
Exo's tinfoil = town thing GB's inconsistent questioning HF's calling out of GB being sort of townie Your attitude being distant/weird/uninterested Koshi toneread
hell, just go throught the list I literally pasted a page back or so. Most of the things I think about the game are in that list.
Already mentioned by two people before you. Already mentioned by HF. Already agreed upon by Rayn and myself. Extremely shitty. Already made by me.
On December 30 2015 01:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You weren't like this in Hammertime. You weren't like this in Noir. You weren't like this in Tropical Storm. Funny thing is, in LXX you actually townread me for being fairly casual in interacting with you, yet you scumread me for it this game.
On March 20 2015 23:35 Palmar wrote: I don't think Artanis is mafia. Like obviously this only works for me, but if he is mafia he knows I'm town and he's been fairly casual in trying to interact with me, which he wasn't at all in imperial (I know, shitty meta, but still...).
The same thing you're scumreading me for this game.
Lol.
I was mafia in that game...
jesus
So you're saying that you didn't believe in that read?
Whenever I'm mafia, I usually make reads that I'd actually believe in/follow the reasoning of if I were town presuming they're not completely inconvenient. I'd imagine it's much the same for everyone else, especially when you're townreading someone.
Whenever I'm mafia I make reads that are convenient. And I have no idea if I genuinely believed that read because I already knew you were town that game, so I just made it up on the spot because it sounded right.
Even then, there is a massive difference between casual and indifferent.
So you have no idea if you believed whether you can meta read me for being relaxed when you've used it to call me scum this game. Yeah, okay.
On December 30 2015 00:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also if I'm right on Palmar I don't think OWS is scum because I don't think two scum are going to be the only ones to attack me when everyone else is townreading me.
But you definitely think the one guy who does is scum.
Especially the one that both lead the suspicion and the one that actually provided reasoning.
If you are somehow town, you should dismiss my suspicions as just that and actually consider me more favorably for actually exploring things that others aren't exploring.
OWS is barely attacking you, he said like one sentence about you. Even I am not really attacking you, I just pointed out a tonal thing that looks a bit off and could make you mafia, and you decided to make a u-turn on everything because of those two little things.
There is no way that you genuinely 100% believe that my suspicion of you can ONLY come from mafia perspective.
No, you have no focus. You haven't had focus all game. You're just spewing out what you think gets you townread. Your effort has not been in finding scum.
I don't need to convince you that you're scum though.
At what point did you discover I had no focus and thus I must be killed with a vengeance? Because I don't recall you mentioning anything of the sort before right now?
What do you even mean by focus?
You're prodding everywhere but you're not actually doing anything. Everything you do and read seems convenient and focused more on just posting things than anything else.
No I'm not. The only thing that is barely true is that yes, I am mostly interacting with the things that are in the thread when I am in the thread. Other than that, this is just bullshit.
Alright. What original thoughts have you brought to the thread?
Exo's tinfoil = town thing GB's inconsistent questioning HF's calling out of GB being sort of townie Your attitude being distant/weird/uninterested Koshi toneread
hell, just go throught the list I literally pasted a page back or so. Most of the things I think about the game are in that list.
Already mentioned by two people before you. Already mentioned by HF. Already agreed upon by Rayn and myself. Extremely shitty. Already made by me.
The fact other people have the same thoughts as me does not invalidate mine. And I doubt anyone explained the exo thing with the reason I did, although I don't quite know.
I said original thoughts. You provided none other than a read on me which is inaccurate. The exo thing was explained pretty much that way by me already.
On December 30 2015 01:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You weren't like this in Hammertime. You weren't like this in Noir. You weren't like this in Tropical Storm. Funny thing is, in LXX you actually townread me for being fairly casual in interacting with you, yet you scumread me for it this game.
On March 20 2015 23:35 Palmar wrote: I don't think Artanis is mafia. Like obviously this only works for me, but if he is mafia he knows I'm town and he's been fairly casual in trying to interact with me, which he wasn't at all in imperial (I know, shitty meta, but still...).
The same thing you're scumreading me for this game.
Lol.
I was mafia in that game...
jesus
So you're saying that you didn't believe in that read?
Whenever I'm mafia, I usually make reads that I'd actually believe in/follow the reasoning of if I were town presuming they're not completely inconvenient. I'd imagine it's much the same for everyone else, especially when you're townreading someone.
Whenever I'm mafia I make reads that are convenient. And I have no idea if I genuinely believed that read because I already knew you were town that game, so I just made it up on the spot because it sounded right.
Even then, there is a massive difference between casual and indifferent.
So you have no idea if you believed whether you can meta read me for being relaxed when you've used it to call me scum this game. Yeah, okay.
Literally not what I said.
So what HAVE you said?
On December 30 2015 01:27 Holyflare wrote: Umm wtf artanis you said I'm mafia because I'm not aggressive then you say I'm mafia for being aggressive at the wrong places but now you're saying me pointing out gb shit is towny.......?
So wtf mafia things have I done and how on earth am I in a lynch list of 4 people????
In Imperial I believe I had 7 pages of filter at this point. And that was a massive anomaly. Anyone that actually thinks I can be mafia this game should go back in time and sign up to Insane Mafia.
On December 30 2015 01:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You weren't like this in Hammertime. You weren't like this in Noir. You weren't like this in Tropical Storm. Funny thing is, in LXX you actually townread me for being fairly casual in interacting with you, yet you scumread me for it this game.
On March 20 2015 23:35 Palmar wrote: I don't think Artanis is mafia. Like obviously this only works for me, but if he is mafia he knows I'm town and he's been fairly casual in trying to interact with me, which he wasn't at all in imperial (I know, shitty meta, but still...).
The same thing you're scumreading me for this game.
Lol.
I was mafia in that game...
jesus
So you're saying that you didn't believe in that read?
Whenever I'm mafia, I usually make reads that I'd actually believe in/follow the reasoning of if I were town presuming they're not completely inconvenient. I'd imagine it's much the same for everyone else, especially when you're townreading someone.
Whenever I'm mafia I make reads that are convenient. And I have no idea if I genuinely believed that read because I already knew you were town that game, so I just made it up on the spot because it sounded right.
Even then, there is a massive difference between casual and indifferent.
So you have no idea if you believed whether you can meta read me for being relaxed when you've used it to call me scum this game. Yeah, okay.
Literally not what I said.
So what HAVE you said?
On December 30 2015 01:27 Holyflare wrote: Umm wtf artanis you said I'm mafia because I'm not aggressive then you say I'm mafia for being aggressive at the wrong places but now you're saying me pointing out gb shit is towny.......?
So wtf mafia things have I done and how on earth am I in a lynch list of 4 people????
TONE
Yes which is a shit cop out from forming a read. You point out constantly things that make me towny but all those points go against what you are tone reading me for. It doesn't make sense.
I'm not pushing you for it, I asked people to look into you. I am not actually pushing for your lynch. And right now I have Palmar to lynch so eh.
On December 30 2015 01:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You weren't like this in Hammertime. You weren't like this in Noir. You weren't like this in Tropical Storm. Funny thing is, in LXX you actually townread me for being fairly casual in interacting with you, yet you scumread me for it this game.
[quote] The same thing you're scumreading me for this game.
Lol.
I was mafia in that game...
jesus
So you're saying that you didn't believe in that read?
Whenever I'm mafia, I usually make reads that I'd actually believe in/follow the reasoning of if I were town presuming they're not completely inconvenient. I'd imagine it's much the same for everyone else, especially when you're townreading someone.
Whenever I'm mafia I make reads that are convenient. And I have no idea if I genuinely believed that read because I already knew you were town that game, so I just made it up on the spot because it sounded right.
Even then, there is a massive difference between casual and indifferent.
So you have no idea if you believed whether you can meta read me for being relaxed when you've used it to call me scum this game. Yeah, okay.
Literally not what I said.
So what HAVE you said?
On December 30 2015 01:27 Holyflare wrote: Umm wtf artanis you said I'm mafia because I'm not aggressive then you say I'm mafia for being aggressive at the wrong places but now you're saying me pointing out gb shit is towny.......?
So wtf mafia things have I done and how on earth am I in a lynch list of 4 people????
TONE
Yes which is a shit cop out from forming a read. You point out constantly things that make me towny but all those points go against what you are tone reading me for. It doesn't make sense.
I'm not pushing you for it, I asked people to look into you. I am not actually pushing for your lynch. And right now I have Palmar to lynch so eh.
Right so let's get this straight. Your tone read on me is because I wasn't really pushing anything aggressively that wasn't my main scum read vivax during d1 but that's all you're doing too?
No, tone is about how you address people, not what you're actually doing.
GlowingBear: called me out in a really awkward way yesterday and then got into a argument I think. The main thing is that he was reading a conversation about a thing, and then asked about the very thing the conversation was about. It's 100% clear he wasn't actually reading the part of the thread he asked about, he just saw something and ran with it.
On December 30 2015 02:33 boxerfred wrote: GB confirmed not reading but that's NAI for GB
if GB flips town we should lynch HF
sorry I don't follow. Why;s that?
HF scumreads GB with the reason I quoted first ("from HF"), follows up on him just now as GB does not read the thread and asks for HF's read on Palmar. However HF already provided a huge list, containing his read on Palmar. So HF asks for a gun to shoot GB, implying GB is dumb. When asked who he'd shoot, he even says he'd shoot himself, raising irony to sarcarsm.
So we have HF pushing GB (soft pushing imho). Good thing for scum. So if HF is right, cool, nice shot, one scum down. If HF is wrong and GB is town, then HF is probably doing a good scum move. So yeah, GB/HF is either town/scum, scum/town or town/town but not scum/scum imho.
GlowingBear: called me out in a really awkward way yesterday and then got into a argument I think. The main thing is that he was reading a conversation about a thing, and then asked about the very thing the conversation was about. It's 100% clear he wasn't actually reading the part of the thread he asked about, he just saw something and ran with it.
On December 30 2015 02:33 boxerfred wrote: GB confirmed not reading but that's NAI for GB
if GB flips town we should lynch HF
sorry I don't follow. Why;s that?
HF scumreads GB with the reason I quoted first ("from HF"), follows up on him just now as GB does not read the thread and asks for HF's read on Palmar. However HF already provided a huge list, containing his read on Palmar. So HF asks for a gun to shoot GB, implying GB is dumb. When asked who he'd shoot, he even says he'd shoot himself, raising irony to sarcarsm.
So we have HF pushing GB (soft pushing imho). Good thing for scum. So if HF is right, cool, nice shot, one scum down. If HF is wrong and GB is town, then HF is probably doing a good scum move. So yeah, GB/HF is either town/scum, scum/town or town/town but not scum/scum imho.
can we have a vote count?
why is town/town unlikely? Couldn't HF just have a bad read?? Every time someone gets a read wrong it doesn't mean they are scum.
hm? I'm not saying it's unlikely I bolded it for you. If you read it that way, sorry, I'm not thinking it's unlikely. it's prettymuch 33%
You said HF is scum if GB flips town. That would imply that town/town is unlikely right?
Yep, however when I said that, I didn't even consider town/town possibility, so I mentioned it in my follow up.
I would be really entertained if BF is scum and this spewed that one of them is scum btw.
On December 30 2015 04:22 nooniansoong wrote: artanis. your case boils down to him having no original thoughts. I disagree. He has no original opinions maybe but i do see him making original observations. i can empathize with palmar because ive been in his situation many times. it can be hard to be a factor in a game when everyone has already put in so much more work than you.
So then you claim you will sheep person X (but really don't after all) and the reason for that is that you didn't read his posts (when earlier you claimed you would -- as you would sheep them)? And then you claim you have orignial thoughts (when you actually don't)? What Artanis -- or anyone -- says has nothing to do with if Palmar is a factor in the game or not. The fact is he isn't, and he claims he will / has done something he actually doesn't follow up the way he should based on his own words, or he actually hasn't done the things he claims at all.
You are so fucking annoying when you twist every single thing anyone ever writes into something completely different. Like are you high 24/7 or what?
On January 17 2016 08:40 Tictock wrote: Gg, obv. I failed prett hard this game, though I did correctly concluded Onegu was scum for his cop,claim and Damdred was still town despite fake CC'ing me.
Yea really suprised people took the one burst of activity from palmar and his case on GB and decided he was town for the rest of the game, and then not lynching Onegu... But w/e
Sorry again for my throw.
Meh Gunsmith is a vanilla town after D2 You being gunsmith meant you could play as bad as you humanly wanted and still be confirmed town if mafia doesn't 1v1 you The correct play for town after your claim was to not lynch you and wait D3, where the real gunsmith if there is one would claim (since he has already given his two guns, he s only a named vt now) Damdred fucked up super badly counter claiming you when there was a way to confirm you
idk was a pretty big fuckup for him not to claim d1, then to claim miller and all that d2. Like would you actually take him seriously at that point?
What is wrong with what I just said ? I agree with what you say, it s difficult to believe he's blue, but if nobody counter claims him d3 he's confirmed town. If anybody counterclaims d3 you lynch him. I won't defend that he was not scummy cause I wanted to lynch him d1 :p
Because I don't think it's realistic. A guy literally didn't claim on d1, and then claimed blue followed by miller. Looks scummy. If town has a chance to lynch scum day 2 I think they're gonna take it. I guess you could sorta confirm him, but it relies on the real Gun Smith actually wanting to CC, and there's is no guarantee of that. People in mafia do strange things, but here you have a guy really all over the place with his claims. It makes more sense to lynch him
everything about this post is incorrect
the large majority of the time, messy, all over the place claims are gonna wind up town
You're trying to tell me you'd look at a guy who was going to die day 1, didn't claim his role, then claimed 2 different roles the next day and say he's town?
EPT
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