OUTLAW MINI MAFIA - Page 35

Vivax

21682 Posts

December 27 2015 12:58 GMT

#681

On December 27 2015 21:33 sicklucker wrote:
I love that no one has made a read on me in pretty much the entire game. makes me happy

Town hero would be pretty accurate.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12968 Posts

December 27 2015 13:04 GMT

#682

On December 27 2015 21:58 Vivax wrote:

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Town hero would be pretty accurate.

Hello Vivax.
Do you have reads?

sicklucker

Canada16986 Posts

December 27 2015 13:11 GMT

#683

you know i would never let them lynch you this easy vivax

Vivax

21682 Posts

December 27 2015 13:14 GMT

#684

On December 27 2015 22:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

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Hello Vivax.
Do you have reads?

I'm going to murder HF when given the chance, that will suffice as a read okay?
Just cause he wants to ML me on D1 for two posts.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43188 Posts

December 27 2015 13:15 GMT

#685

On December 27 2015 21:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Have a random read list cause they're fun.
100% Town forever
Artanis[Xp]
N e s s

Town
Damdred
Trfel
Rsoultin
Alakaslam

Town by association of people I think are town reading them as town and me being a lazy shit
Raynpelikoneet
Onegu

Weak Town
HF
Ritoky
ExO_
Koshi
TickTock

Null
Anyone not in other categories

Weak Mafia
Boxerfred - Made one post and it was bad.
GB - Development on Rso was meh. Seems to be thread cop more than all over the place. Way he engages N e s s doesn't really make much sense to me.

Leaning Mafia
Vivax - doing fuck all, not being remotely tinfoil. Very much out of the ordinary for Vivax.

So you're scum?
This post doesn't make much sense....

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12968 Posts

December 27 2015 13:16 GMT

#686

On December 27 2015 22:14 Vivax wrote:

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I'm going to murder HF when given the chance, that will suffice as a read okay?
Just cause he wants to ML me on D1 for two posts.

I'd like to hear more.

On December 27 2015 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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So you're scum?
This post doesn't make much sense....

Why does it not make much sense?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43188 Posts

December 27 2015 13:17 GMT

#687

Because it looks like you are both reading the thread and not.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12968 Posts

December 27 2015 13:18 GMT

#688

On December 27 2015 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because it looks like you are both reading the thread and not.

That's probably kinda true in the sense that there were like 17 pages to read when I woke up and I kinda read them but did it pretty fast so it's likely not everything actually registered.

Vivax

21682 Posts

December 27 2015 13:18 GMT

#689

No it seems more like he's being HF junior

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12968 Posts

December 27 2015 13:22 GMT

#690

On December 27 2015 22:18 Vivax wrote:
No it seems more like he's being HF junior

raynpelikoneet

Finland43188 Posts

December 27 2015 13:26 GMT

#691

On December 27 2015 22:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

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That's probably kinda true in the sense that there were like 17 pages to read when I woke up and I kinda read them but did it pretty fast so it's likely not everything actually registered.

So like... the first thing you usually do in any game is to form a read on me. Here you "form" a read on me due to... association?!?!? You completely ignore my scumread however...

Then you have this weird read progression on Exo, where you first call him scum but then, idk why, you suddenly don't call him scum anymore but null and in the next post he is even a town lean.

Then i have absolutely no idea why you (or anyone -- but anyone is not as good as you are) would ever think Koshi is town because he hasn't actually done jack shit in this game. There is no Koshi-passion to solve the game, which is actually really characteristic to his townplay regardless of how much he yells he won't play before the game...

And to the first part, you claim TT's posting is bad but hey let's ignore the case on him completely and just call him town instead... And HF is town but GB is scum... Did you forget HF did the exact same thing GB did regarding Ness?? Just because HF posts more words about it and is generally capable of producing better looking posts does not mean the motivation is/was the same.. But GB is scum for what he did? And HF is town, for calling Vivax scum? Or what, because that would be everything else HF basically did. Do you realize even if Vivax is mafia here it's not out of question at all HF is also mafia? I think you at least should, and if you srsly consider GB as scum for why you do, your townread on HF makes absolutely zero sense at all.

I really really do not understand any of that.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12968 Posts

December 27 2015 13:32 GMT

#692

On December 27 2015 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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So like... the first thing you usually do in any game is to form a read on me. Here you "form" a read on me due to... association?!?!? You completely ignore my scumread however...

Usually, yes. But that's usually because you're actually around for the start of the game. This time, you weren't so I interacted with other people instead. By the time I returned to the thread you were gone so I couldn't interact with you. I know Tina said she can read you very well and she called you town. Townreading her means that's good enough for me and I'm feeling lazy so eh.

As for your scumread, I already told you why I don't think TT is scum.

Then you have this weird read progression on Exo, where you first call him scum but then, idk why, you suddenly don't call him scum anymore but null and in the next post he is even a town lean.

I called him scum for the tone in his first post. The tone changed in his later post. I thought about him further and then figured he's somewhat likely to be town due to the way he got upset about how people read him, but then still started doing other things with reasonable confidence.

Then i have absolutely no idea why you (or anyone -- but anyone is not as good as you are) would ever think Koshi is town because he hasn't actually done jack shit in this game. There is no Koshi-passion to solve the game, which is actually really characteristic to his townplay regardless of how much he yells he won't play before the game...

I dunno, I just don't think he so openly doesn't give a shit about the game as mafia. He's also still doing things here and there next to it.

And to the first part, you claim TT's posting is bad but hey let's ignore the case on him completely and just call him town instead... And HF is town but GB is scum... Did you forget HF did the exact same thing GB did regarding Ness?? Just because HF posts more words about it and is generally capable of producing better looking posts does not mean the motivation is/was the same.. But GB is scum for what he did? And HF is town, for calling Vivax scum? Or what, because that would be everything else HF basically did. Do you realize even if Vivax is mafia here it's not out of question at all HF is also mafia? I think you at least should, and if you srsly consider GB as scum for why you do, your townread on HF makes absolutely zero sense at all.

I really really do not understand any of that.

It's not the what but the how with HF, Rayn. He pressured him, got answers and changed his read. The way GB pushes him is very, very different. I'm also not eliminating the option in which HF is scum at all. He's a weak lean as I said.

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

December 27 2015 13:33 GMT

#693

Vote Count - Day 1

Coagulation (0): ~~sicklucker~~
ExO_ (0): ~~Artanis[Xp]~~, ~~Trfel~~, ~~Koshi~~
Vivax (5): Holyflare, ritoky, Ness, Koshi, Artanis[Xp]
Artanis (0): ~~Trfel~~
MoosyDoosy (0): ~~Artanis[Xp]~~
nooniansong (1): ~~raynpelikoneet~~, sicklucker
TicTock (1): raynpelikoneet
Koshi (0): ~~Onegu~~
rsoultin (1) Onegu

Not Voting (17): Rels, nooniansong, Damdred, Waylanner, ExO_, rsoultin, MoosyDoosy, boxerfred, GlowingBear, Coagulation, Trfel, ObiWanShinobi, The Shining, Palmar, Tictock, Vivax, Alakaslam

At this time, Vivax is slated to be lynched.
Day 1 ends in on Monday, Dec 28 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43188 Posts

December 27 2015 13:36 GMT

#694

On December 27 2015 18:47 sicklucker wrote:
also I theres no way you can town read coag he has no posts. im going to assume this is a masson claim because thats the only thing that makes any sense.

Rstoulin and coags are masons apparently take notes mafia

Yeah this is pretty fucking weird tbh.

Vivax

21682 Posts

December 27 2015 13:40 GMT

#695

I don't believe the kush smurf is actually kush, i would never expect kush to enter the game "hey folks im gonna work on my read accuracy", as if kush ever cared about such a thing. Kush is like the joker he just does stuff

raynpelikoneet

Finland43188 Posts

December 27 2015 13:42 GMT

#696

On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:

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On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:

On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:

On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:

On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:

On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:

On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:

On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:
Alrighty! So, heres my defense.

First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.

Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:

Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.

http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7

At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.

You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.

but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.

...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-

Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.

Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?

Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.

Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.

On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.

If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.

this. this rubs me the wrong way.

1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it?
2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me?
3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.

1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?

2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?

3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?

Smh answered those first 2 already.

but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.

But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.

Let me ask you something

What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?

Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?

It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from

Food for thought~

Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?

I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.

Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum?

It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.

mmmm on the contrary

that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you.
Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game.

please answer my question now.

You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe

So Artanis what exactly is different in HF's/GB's questioning on Ness?

This is the only thing GB has "pushed" Ness for after the initial questions. I am like 90% sure if i go to Ness' home forum and pick any mafia game there the game starts with RVS -- which makes this perfectly valid (and unanswered) question.

So, what other difference there is? Is GB pushing Ness as scum rn?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43188 Posts

December 27 2015 13:44 GMT

#697

On December 27 2015 22:40 Vivax wrote:
I don't believe the kush smurf is actually kush, i would never expect kush to enter the game "hey folks im gonna work on my read accuracy", as if kush ever cared about such a thing. Kush is like the joker he just does stuff

It's definitely kush because he in obviously inactive as fuck and lectures people about "how to play" and whose fault it is when someone gets lynched in a really annoying way -- which usually makes him also mafia.

Vivax

21682 Posts

December 27 2015 13:45 GMT

#698

Trfel is town I think and BF is meh for voting him off like that, could be lazy town too but won't know it if it stays that way.

##Vote boxerfred

raynpelikoneet

Finland43188 Posts

December 27 2015 13:49 GMT

#699

On December 27 2015 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is the only thing GB has "pushed" Ness for after the initial questions. I am like 90% sure if i go to Ness' home forum and pick any mafia game there the game starts with RVS -- which makes this perfectly valid (and unanswered) question.

and i was right...

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12968 Posts

December 27 2015 13:50 GMT

#700

On December 27 2015 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:

On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:

On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:

On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:

On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:

On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:

On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:

On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:
Alrighty! So, heres my defense.

First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.

Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:

but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.

Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.

Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?

Let me ask you something

What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?

Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?

It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from

You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe

HF made a case on Ness, waited for him to respond to it whilst doing other shit and didn't attempt to bury him. I saw direction which I didn't really see with GB whom had to be reminded to look at him. Whereas HF decided he's probably town, GB's still on the fence but it doesn't feel like he's trying to actually find out N e s s's alignment, more just continuously explaining why he has this minor scumread.

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