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We are seeking a third head. Please apply. Unless your name is DP and your nose is firmly up everyone's ass already. Carry on ^^ | ||
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Game? I've been mislynched once on this site, in large part because I failed to convince geript that DP was a skeezy scumbucket with a geript in his pocket. Artie remembers Imperial and remembers a more aggressive DP. I glanced through the town game before that just in case replacing in might have had an effect on DP's play, but no dice. Aggressive there right out the starting gate. These are only a few games, but given they support the perception we already have... Where you getting this from, rayn? -waves at DP- Because pointing out that you're buddying people is definitely not worth mentioning or anything ^^ We up for a round two? | ||
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On December 12 2015 15:05 Damdred wrote: I... Really like that rayn read on me (though I am biased). Its a really nice thought process one that I hadn't even thought of lol. And I hope rayn feels better so we can catch the scum. but I'm going to bed now. And tbh my prefered lynch so far is rels his not really staying around to chat or try to add on anything was disheartening. -pokes- Ignoring me, damdy? | ||
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So yeah I'm rolling out...the laptop is getting packed now. Lex is in the air. We're not giving reads we haven't discussed just cause ew arguing with yourself in the thread, no bueno. Notes from what we discussed last night: 1. Damdy probably town for feels reasons + no longer ignoring us (me) and because we're easy targets this phase given it started on our travel day and there was no prior positive sentiments in the thread about us (art). 2. DP and rayn probably are not scum together given their interactions. (I don't remember if lex mentioned a read on rayn though so I'll just sit on mine. Or you can read between the lines, whichever you prefer.) 3. Neither of us feel good about DP, but could be conf bias and/or paranoia (on my part). One thing that we both noted was his reaction to us was dismissive. Given his follow-up, he could have thought that everyone knows he buddies as either alignment so my post was the equivalent to him of "humans breathe air," which might justify the response, however he neither tried to probe for our meaning (citing it as "obscure" later) or came to any conclusion about our alignment. It seemed more an attempt to discredit to me. Other reads will come later even though I want to comment now lol >< Have to be good and wait for my second (better?) half to get a chance to catch up. Likelihood is low that we post again before Sunday morning, just as an fyi, but we will if we can. Ciao! P.S. Thanks rayn! I'll take a look at your link...later? Maybe when I'm waiting at the airport to pick up Lex. Also, just to be clear, my point was the buddying and not the aggression...I am well aware that DP can be aggressive as either alignment, and we are both aware that Imperial is different, which is why I looked up the other town game (Avogadro, to be precise). So let me rephrase. Buddying without pushing anything early game is what caught our attention. Now ciao for realz ^^ | ||
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We kind of think Damdred and Rayn are easy townreads right now. Damdred for being lighthearted and happy to interact. Rayn for not tunneling and actually attempting to interact with his reads. Kind of leaning town on GreY. Just don't think he'd go after Damdy and Rayn when everyone and their mom is townreading them. Especially if Marv is mafia, he'd actually have to line up mislynches and no one wants to lynch either of them right now. We don't think the post about Rayn being vocal was alignment indicative, and a bunch of things in his big post stuck out as townish. One thing we didn't like though was the marv post and trying to get him modkilled instead, but that would be an easy scum tactic that doesn't make much sense in combination with trying to push damdred/rayn. We think he's just wrong mostly. Marv is clearly scum at this point. ##Vote Marvellosity Which leaves DP and Rels for the last scum. Some of what Rels has posted looks okay and some of it doesn't. There's a few instances where it seems like he's throwing suspicions on people without trying to figure them out like he did The way he approached DP and our slot in a way that seems more focused on burying rather than solving. An exception to that would be this post: On December 13 2015 19:50 Rels wrote: How is it scum indicative ? I'm one of the scumread of Damdred, it's normal he interrogates me on my actions. On the contrary, I think it's town indicative for rayn to share his thought process. It's only scum indicative if you can point how what he posted is not logical or deserves a scum agenda. He explained why he thought that. Can you point what is wrong or scum with his logic ? You seem to consider me town since apparently Damdred / rayn attacked me too easily. Why are you townreading me ? Where it feels like he's actually trying to work with GM. Then there was the weird marv vote that also got pinged out by Rayn and Damdred. In the case of Marv being mafia, it gives Rels an excuse to be on him early whilst actually being able to switch to DP as soon as Marv posts. On December 12 2015 23:27 Rels wrote: ##Vote marv Do stuff or die. Otherwise here is my mind atm: rayn Damdred grey Arta/rsoul marv DP About the reiteration Our concern is essentially what we're outlining below. Not the fact that DP is buddying, or that he's not aggressive in isolation, but that he's a non-entity. Those are distinctly different in our minds than saying oh look! DP is buddying people! He must be scum! Or DP is not being aggressive enough! He must be scum! It is more of an overall feel for his presence (or lack thereof) in the thread. For DP, it feels like he's buddying a bunch of players and the GM scumread seems too easy and shallow. He also spent a lot more time on his townreads than his scumreads. There just doesn't seem to be much drive to find scum in him. It's also telling that we can't really say much about his filter besides a bunch of reasons for people to be town. Town Damdred Raynpelikoneet Leaning Town GreYMisT Leaning Scum Rels DarthPunk Mafia Marvellosity | ||
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@GM regarding rayn...it's the way his overall approach to the thread feels when he's town vs. scum. From my experience (and again lex agrees) a town rayn can be stubborn, tunneled, etc. but he actively works with his hard townreads to get reads and interacts with people to develop/clarify his current read. As scum, it tends to resemble more of a very precocious toddler trying to force a triangle through a circle-shaped hole. The collaborative/interactive feel simply isn't there, even when he's active in the thread. (Also, waiting to see if others see what he sees, as he was doing early game, is something I've only seen from a town rayn). I'm pretty certain of this read. @Damdy yeah, you're right. There's nothing wrong with focusing on PoE, and we definitely could be wrong about DP. Lex and I have waffled on him back and forth as we read the thread. PoE makes sense if you have no scumreads, but we still just don't see much actual scumhunting in his filter and it still bugs us. We can get a sense of where most people would be voting if they weren't voting marv, but we don't have the same feeling about DP. @DP, if you could address the above question...who is scum other than marv?...that would be nice. | ||
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 We're both sick. I blame the euro germs.So where we're at after discussing: Rayn and damdy are obv town Lexy really thinks DP is town based on his later posting, and I'm gonna trust him over me. We realize that there wasn't much thread sentiment to move to DP and it could have been considered a safe buss attempt, but Occam's razor suggests marv doesn't put his vote on his scummate to get out of a nearly inevitable lynch. We also don't see marv risking lynching his scumbuddy because he's not likely to play afterward. That leaves GM and Rels...we're kind of split on them. Lexy thinks Rels is the last scum and I have more reservations? Notes: - Marv's townread on GM was super weak. (Although lex says marv's known for giving easy townreads on lynchbait) - GM's refusal to move from marv might suggest they're scum together. - Rels' attempts to move the lynch were just not going to work. If he's scum with marv he has nowhere to go, but that begs the question why not just vote marv? WIFOM, but it still gives me pause. - Also, the townread on us made us doubt, cause before we were pretty fine with the idea he was the last scum and were going to suggest that you lynch between us and him even, but then he townreads us when scum needs two mislynches, so...huh? It's possible he could backtrack, we suppose. Rels seems more scummy, but at the same time, his play just doesn't seem like he can possibly expect to the win this game proceeding as he is. Maybe it's really just GM. Also, of y'all want another explanation on our DP read, ask, but we've already answered it. | ||
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On December 14 2015 22:26 Rels wrote: Please expand. I understand being scumread for POE, but I don't see how my play is scummy, let alone the scummiest of the game. If you're talking about your DP townread, it's the first time I'm hearing about it. If you're talking about your DP scumread, did you read rayn's thoughts on it ? Do you still feel like DP's budying + not very aggressive is a scum indicator for him ? Did you read the game rayn linked ? We've had a strong townread on both Rayn (me more than art, but that's splitting hairs) and Damdred since very early in the game. We just explained our DP townread, and even though we didn't mention it again in our reads post, we still feel that GM's approach to the game has been fairly townie in terms of tone and strategy. Damdred and Rayn as his main scumreads earlier, for example, is just not a winning play for scum when they're never getting lynched here. To be honest, Rels, you just haven't written anything that has made us go "ah! that looks like a town Rels!" You seem to be gunning after whatever you can get. I described it as throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks. Lexy is fairly certain it's you, even though he did say that your EoD play looked like stream of consciousness to him. As I said earlier, if you and marv are scum together there's literally nowhere you can go. The only thing giving me pause is you didn't buss marv there which you should have as scum partners, but frankly you should have anyway. That and the townread on us, which is right, but really isn't to your advantage if you're scum. As for your DP questions, he's gotten more aggressive and honestly no, we didn't read the link. First we were travelling, then we got distracted, then we got sick and didn't care. Like, honestly I was buying groceries so we didn't have to go out to eat and we thought the deadline was an hour later. But also to be honest, since we're townreading rayn, we accepted what he said anyway. Our phrasing may have been bad. We didn't feel like DP was really scumhunting, but it doesn't really look that way anymore and we don't think it matters anyway given EoD. | ||
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On December 12 2015 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is the last game i remember playing with DarthPunk when we were both town. This is his filter in the game. Basically i know DP is usually aggressive and i can see where you are coming from. Obviously it's nor out of the realm of possibilities he is mafia here, but i disagree in him not being "aggressive enough" makes him mafia.He treats different people differently, and i know for a fact he buddies to strong players (if you read the filter the "proof" is there). Basically this game is filled with people who in my opinion do not respond well -- or at all -- to pressure, at least unfounded pressure (i mean situations where the game has went on for hours and there is not really anything scummy in thread -- disagree?). At the time you called him out, what in your opinion should he have done as town? Should he have questioned something? Should he have pressured something more? In my opinion, when i read the thread at that point, i didn't see anything wrong -- which is i, myself decided to comment on the only read i could be even semi-sure of. Also bringing up Imperial is in my opinion a bit of a misjudgement (or what the fuck is the word). He replaced into a game on N3...... Of course there is going to be some reads he has rofl. If he hadn't any reads on a thread that is @ N3, he could just quit mafia. Comparing that game to this one (at 6 hours into the game with only 3 people properly even posting) is quite a stretch. What rayn actually said, Rels. He says our read based on aggression is NAI and that DP buddies regardless. That's probably true and we see no reason for rayn to lie to us, given we don't have as much experience with DP. Now, we didn't like that he didn't seem to be scumhunting and used the buddying and lack of aggression as an example. In the last post you quoted, you missed the salient point. We felt that DP was a non-entity in the thread. That goes beyond buzzwords like "buddying" or "aggression," don't you think? In the end, we trusted rayn that buddying and lack of aggression alone doesn't make DP scum and couldn't be assed to do a meta dive. | ||
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On December 14 2015 23:44 Rels wrote: OK, so I missed it on your last post, he was potential scum for being a non-entity. This has nothing to do with being a non-entity, so I don't understand why you changed your mind ? EoD changed my mind, and Lexy likes a lot of his recent posting. See the initial reads thread we made this morning. | ||
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On December 15 2015 00:36 Rels wrote: Alright. Why is GM townie for scumreading Damdred & rayn, when he dropped these scumreads at the most opportunistic time (deadline) ? You agreed with Damdred & rayn probing me concerning the marv vote here: GM found Damdred scummy about the way Damdred probed me concerning the marv vote: Why do you townread GM for attacking Damdred because Damdred did something you agreed with ? You're right. If we'd townread GM for attacking Damdred specifically for that reason, rather than because pushing damdred and rayn is a high-risk, low-reward play with scum marv afk...that would be weird. | ||
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On December 15 2015 00:43 Rels wrote: Your reason for townreading GM isn't good then. It's "scum wouldn't do that!" It's similar for your reason for townreading me. "scum!Rels wouldn't vote someone else than marv at EOD!" They're weak. If those were our only reasons, then yes, they would be weak. Also, rayn's reasons for townreading GM are excellent lol >< | ||
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I must be getting especially bitchy lol | ||
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On December 15 2015 00:54 Rels wrote: You've just said: You're right. If we'd townread GM for attacking Damdred specifically for that reason, rather than because pushing damdred and rayn is a high-risk, low-reward play with scum marv afk...that would be weird. in defense of another question. Let us lay it down for you again. We kinda townread GM because A) his posts just look townie to us in the sense that there doesn't seem to be much of an agenda and B) because he attacked Damdred and Rayn to begin with when they were universally townread. The fact that he retracted those scumreads later doesn't necessarily make it that much weaker. Additinoally, Rayn's posts about why GM being scum doesn't make any sense makes us think he's more likely town than you. | ||
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On December 15 2015 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Artanis/rsoultin: I'd like to hear a bit more on this. Mainly what Artanis' thoughts on me were back then (and at which point of the game was this?). It was mostly Tina's toneread, and me trusting her. She explained how you usually interact with people in that you very much realize that you can be wrong and work with people. My apprehension was that I didn't feel like your arguments were strong enough yet to truly read as town at that point; I think you're a good scumplayer, but from what I've seen on you is that you generally have more shallow reasoning as mafia than as town and that's what I try to read you on. Given the early stage of the game I just wasn't as confident yet. This was around the time we gave our first reads, I think. | ||
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On December 15 2015 05:36 Damdred wrote: Rayn it is hard, maybe medic will be in group of three and make it easy lolol. I'm still super paranoid about dp but I think he's town maybe. One thing going against rels which is total eifom in my mind was Marv not jumping on him to work with you and preserve himself. But at the same time why would he if he had done enough to get you and I off of him you could scream rels home and he got to sit back. Besides that I like some of the effort/logic rels is using. Idk I'm still torn on gm Marv I think gave a read on everyone but gm? Ignored him to a point and eod made me throw my hands up about him. tina/art have no cred from the Marv flip but I like what they say when they are here but something bugs me to an extent about them. Mube they aren't as helpful as they should be or as involved Lexmessage cause Tina thinks I'm silly; The main reason we haven't been as involved in terms of interacting with the thread is because we can bounce our reads off on each other and just post in the thread when we have formulated our reads or feel the need to interact with our reads, really. It's just a very different way of playing the game. As for Marv flipping scum and us afking on him, I do actually think that gives us some cred because Marv coming back to the thread when his scumbuddy is afk is just not something that's likely to happen. Marv and I talk occasionally and I'm sure we would've communicated about it. He wouldn't have come back without that. Additionally, we've just been distracted, sick, and all that stuff. | ||
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After rereading over all the posts, we've decided Rayn is the most likely scum. He was inconsistent in his reads on Greymist. At first, he didn't want to lynch him, then suddenly he does. It just doesn't make any sense. Secondly, we also think Damdred is mafia. LoneMeow is a bastard host and it was actually Rels who flipped vanilla town. Marv was also town. DarthPunk we aren't sure on. We thought he might be town because he buddied people early but then he started making posts that made sense so now we're not sure. GreYMisT.. Well, we thought he was town for everything but then he misconstrued something he once said in an argument about an argument in an argument so we guess he's mafia anyway. Unfortunately this means the game is already lost because there's too many mafia | ||
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On December 15 2015 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: RtaniSoul you're actually the medic? No, we're the vigilante. | ||
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we're gonna win Unless you lynch us. Then we might not win. Lighten up | ||
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/E2crgpE.png) #teamgirlydrinks | ||
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On December 15 2015 07:24 GreYMisT wrote: yes you are playing together. Can we get back to talking about the game Well, the game feels figured out to us. We're still pretty sure on Rels, and if it isn't Rels it's you so, bottoms up! | ||
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On December 15 2015 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I wanna have a skype conversation with you if you are drunk. :p for once it's not me who's drunk haha ^^ We're fine with that we're on Lex' skype. | ||
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On December 15 2015 07:26 GreYMisT wrote: I take it you dont feel good about rayns "plan" then? His plan is obviously good for town. That's why we lol'd. | ||
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We could try hard here, but what's the point? Lynch Rels, and if he for some weird reason flips town, lynch GM. DP is right; if GM is scum it's not for that. To us the game is basically solved? So no, we really don't care anymore, especially when we were getting scumreads for being too clean. Newsflash: we're townie because we're town, not some stupid bullshit mindfuck only scum players are townie narrative. (Yes, I'm looking at you, rayn.) | ||
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On December 15 2015 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: But since both of hydra/Rels are okay with the game being solved i guess i am aswell. And i will not accept any "OH NO THE GAME IS NOT ACTUALLY OVER" in case the first one we flip flips town. We're fine with both us/Rels getting lynched if GM is in fact the doc. ##Vote Rels | ||
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On December 15 2015 23:53 Rels wrote: Most of your reads are based on terrible reasons. Doesn't matter if we're right scum We're quite happy with our reads this game, thank you | ||
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nice.Gg rels | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: But i thought you thought DP was possibly mafia aswell? Possible but very unlikely. we can't get him lynched over us anyway so we're okay with losing if he's scum. | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:34 Rels wrote: LOL yes that cannot be interpreted another way. It's a time AFTER marv started posting but BEFORE his alignement was known. Arsoultin didn't post a single post during that period. So they were observing but didn't post in the crisis that was EOD1. We checked in to check once when marv was posting and then everyone was switching to rels and we were fine with that. After that we got the deadline wrong by an hour so we missed that part. | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:38 Rels wrote: Concede please (= I'm super happy you're not bad townies. I was super mad this morning about your badness but I couldn't consider you town over GM making up a reason for his own post. You tried so hard and got so far but in the end you're still getting lynched today or tomorrow | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:42 Rels wrote: Man if I lose this game because you saw that marv posted but didn't bother writing stuff, I have no problem (= actually if you're town I want us to concede. Now way scum should lose here. Please do inform us how actively lurking and having our vote on scum is scummier than just being afk | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: No there is a really big inconsistancy in what the hydra says in contrast to how they had acted before / at the time marv started posting (regardless of if they are telling the truth about reading marv's posts there or not). Don't really care as long as you lynch rels tomorrow but lay it down anyway | ||
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On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote: So here's where we're at right now. We kind of think Damdred and Rayn are easy townreads right now. Damdred for being lighthearted and happy to interact. Rayn for not tunneling and actually attempting to interact with his reads. Kind of leaning town on GreY. Just don't think he'd go after Damdy and Rayn when everyone and their mom is townreading them. Especially if Marv is mafia, he'd actually have to line up mislynches and no one wants to lynch either of them right now. We don't think the post about Rayn being vocal was alignment indicative, and a bunch of things in his big post stuck out as townish. One thing we didn't like though was the marv post and trying to get him modkilled instead, but that would be an easy scum tactic that doesn't make much sense in combination with trying to push damdred/rayn. We think he's just wrong mostly. Marv is clearly scum at this point. ##Vote Marvellosity Which leaves DP and Rels for the last scum. Some of what Rels has posted looks okay and some of it doesn't. There's a few instances where it seems like he's throwing suspicions on people without trying to figure them out like he did The way he approached DP and our slot in a way that seems more focused on burying rather than solving. An exception to that would be this post: Where it feels like he's actually trying to work with GM. Then there was the weird marv vote that also got pinged out by Rayn and Damdred. In the case of Marv being mafia, it gives Rels an excuse to be on him early whilst actually being able to switch to DP as soon as Marv posts. About the reiteration Our concern is essentially what we're outlining below. Not the fact that DP is buddying, or that he's not aggressive in isolation, but that he's a non-entity. Those are distinctly different in our minds than saying oh look! DP is buddying people! He must be scum! Or DP is not being aggressive enough! He must be scum! It is more of an overall feel for his presence (or lack thereof) in the thread. For DP, it feels like he's buddying a bunch of players and the GM scumread seems too easy and shallow. He also spent a lot more time on his townreads than his scumreads. There just doesn't seem to be much drive to find scum in him. It's also telling that we can't really say much about his filter besides a bunch of reasons for people to be town. Town Damdred Raynpelikoneet Leaning Town GreYMisT Leaning Scum Rels DarthPunk Mafia Marvellosity Okay, first off we admit that we have been playing this game very lackadaisically. We've been taking full advantage of being a hydra where we can work things out together. We also haven't been paying this game as much attention as it probably deserves. That said, the above post was our reads before marv. Clearly if marv is town, as Lex thought, our two scumreads become Rels and DP. There were 5 votes on Rels when Lex checked the thread, 1 on DP and 1 on marv, so he didn't feel the need to post or change his vote while I was out. He was waiting for me to get back and we both didn't realize deadline was at 4 (our time) instead of 5. As for my comment on Rels...he'd gone after so many people in the thread that it just seemed really unlikely he was scum with DP or GM, and we had strong townreads on Damdred and rayn. So for both of us a Rels lynch was likely to hit scum, though I wasn't assuming marv was town like Lex was. Thus we didn't care perhaps as much as we should have. There are reasons for that but we're not going to go into it. Quite simply you have to ask yourselves why marv tries to get out of his lynch and why we don't take advantage of the Rels lynch. You could make the argument that we just assumed it would go through, and we're horrible scum players who both didn't follow thread and didn't keep track of the deadline when marv, who everyone knows doesn't like to play scum, is trying to get a mislynch. And if you think that's likely, go ahead and lynch us. Then lynch Rels. | ||
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Are you willing to give up when we flip town? | ||
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On December 16 2015 06:08 DarthPunk wrote: I think the hydra is a better lynch than Rels. Rayn I would love to play one of these games where the mafia team tries a bit harder. It kinda sucks that the game is solved already. Anyway ##vote: RtaniSoul lol | ||
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On December 16 2015 06:22 DarthPunk wrote: I don't think rels is more likely to be scum than you are. I actually quite strongly believe the opposite. Then you're quite strongly wrong. | ||
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On December 12 2015 23:27 Rels wrote: ##Vote marv Do stuff or die. Otherwise here is my mind atm: rayn Damdred grey Arta/rsoul marv DP I told lex when I first saw this post that if marv is scum, Rels had a good chance of being his partner for this. It's completely lining up the switch from marv to DP the moment marv posts. There's nothing here to suggest he'd even think twice about it or that it's a real scumread. Also, note that this post came well before marv had been absent long enough from the thread to start getting a mountain of votes. Point 2: marv votes DP and not Rels. Even if we assume that he really did AFK as scum while being lynched after returning to the thread last minute to try to squirm out of a lynch, he was still in the thread when rayn voted Rels at the very least. He did not vote to survive, and we know that this was not because he was town. That makes it very likely that Rels is scum! Point 3: Rels doesn't actually believe what he's saying when he says our "reasons" are bad for our reads. Specifically, Rels stated in the scum QT of Drams that it made sense that rayn sided (incorrectly) with his fake claim because he was being logical while I sided (entirely correctly) with the real RBer for...his townie tone. Not only did he recognize that rsoultin bases her reads on tone, but he used some of her reads in his towngame that just ended. This is made up to attempt to throw scum on us and he doesn't really believe it. Point 4: Rels is try-harding. Town, unless they believe there is scum in rayn/dp, doesn't need to try-hard. We've won! Bad townies will look at Rels and go damn, he's trying so hard, he must be town. But they're missing the obvious. Only scum needs to try here. Joke's on him, though No amount of try-harding will keep him from being lynched Day 3.When we flip town, reread this amazing case without prejudice, and vote Rels for ultimate justice. And yes...we rock. We don't need to try-hard to win  Ciao | ||
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On December 16 2015 18:08 Rels wrote: arsoul will you try tomorrow if we lynch me ? I wanna see how you try to get DP lynched. This is extremely tempting. If you get lynched before us and are town there's no way DP will get lynched, no way Rayn will listen to us. We're actually thinking of really going over DP one more time before the flip just to make sure you're the scum, but there wouldn't be a point to that if Rayn is unwilling to consider him. Which means it's actually better for us to get lynched first. So, to Rayn: If we analyze DP and end up thinking he's more likely scum than Rels, will you listen to us after we flip town? ##Unvote ##Vote RtaniSoul | ||
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On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote: I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck? Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing. You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us. You should probably focus on burying rels now. | ||
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On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote: Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post. We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother. | ||
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On December 16 2015 19:34 Rels wrote: Wow you are treating me as a confirmed town now ? No, but we are always getting lynched either today or tomorrow and we think we have more control over who flips tomorrow this way. You can back off now, we're flipping today. | ||
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On December 16 2015 19:36 Rels wrote: And you know very well he will listen if you say smart things, so it is without a point to ask such a question. Even if you didn't already played dozen of games with him, he did exactly that during N1. There really isn't always a point. I know that full well from my experiences with him. | ||
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You're right. Most of what was in that case was circumstantial and weak. It could make you scum but it doesn't definitively mean anything. I do remember going over with you looking at things from both sides, and I do know how you think and yes that has been reflected in this game, though I think you're good enough to at least replicate your thought process as scum. If you're town here and for the sake of this post and because of our doubts I'm going to assume that's the case for the moment, take a second to think about what our perspective is as town looking at this game. You have to be the last scum unless we're wrong on rayn or DP, and we're almost as certain as we can be that rayn is town. Basically we're looking at the same game as you are, only in reverse. And the way the thread stands now, if DP is scum here, he will definitely win this game hands down. I think maybe you have a better chance of pushing him tomorrow than we do which is why we're happy to flip first, and also that we know our reads will at least be accepted as genuine after we flip. The thing is, EoD with marv and rayn's certainty had us pretty much not even questioning DP as town. But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP). We've been enjoying Lex's time here and not prioritizing the thread. We're not really apologetic about that; I'd rather have fun with him here. What we want here is very simple. We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment. We honestly didn't want to waste time on our holiday looking into DP if rayn was dead-set on him being town, because we'd rather enjoy ourselves, but we'll do it for you Rels in the event you're town because I'd feel awful not to and let you get mislynched in lylo after you just got mislynched your last game. So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things. Lol, sorry about the shit game. Lazy hydras were being lazy | ||
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On December 16 2015 21:04 RtaniSoul wrote: We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment. So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things Park your vote and leave please if you won't discuss other things with us. Please and thank you | ||
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On December 16 2015 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fucking shit i believe DarthPunk is mafia. The reasoning for this is the following; I am throwing out everything marv ever did as WIFOM. I can't figure out what his actions mean and the answer is WIFOM any-fucking-ways. I have overlooked his play based on marv's actions and the fact that Rels was a lynch to go for the scumteam in case Rels is NOT scum, but i actually believe Damdred is right here. I believe mafia did want me to lynch instead of pushing on their own. The huge problem i have with DP is the following. Whenever he figures out something there is literally zero follow-up and he is just waiting for everyone else to do shit. I don't think that's townie for him. The following cases; - On D1 he figures out marv is town --> no follow up on lynch, except "i will sheep rayn" - On N1/D2 he figures out Greymist is town --> no clear follow up on which one of Rels/Hydra is scum - Right here, now, he figures out Hydra is town --> no vote on Rels, WHAT OTHER OPTION HE THINKS THERE IS IF HE THINKS THE HYDRA IS TOWN?!?!? I think he is too laid back and i don't think he is actually thinking the game as a whole and i fucking think he is scum for it. ##vote DarthPunk I love you | ||
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Why Rels is likely town: The way he approached his suspects later on is actually what makes me feel he's likely town. He engaged Greymist on a few inconsistencies which at first looked like scum-town to me, but looking back there was.. direction to it. Also, the way he's approached the game after Greymist turned out to be doc, which is the main point, feels really townie. At first, his unbelief towards GM being town. Then the way he treated us and being willing to go for the 1on1 whilst still trying to case us (presumably to make sure we get lynched first as he's been mislynched recently). Secondly, our appeals would give him an easy excuse to at least line up a DP lynch later or make it a bit more possible. Instead, he's still just focussed on us. Why DP is likely scum: This one's a bit WIFOM, but I don't think Marv would actually come back into the thread and play for someone he didn't know. Marv hates playing scum and I think DP would be one of the only people that could motivate him to play at least a little. The interactions also look like they'd make DP look good afterwards. With Rayn, Damdred and myself leaning scum on Rels and not as many people feeling the same for DP as well as the likeliness of Marv dying given his lack of motivation to play scum, it's actually a very legit play. The biggest thing however is just the way he's approached the game the last few days. He seems way too certain on us being scum and says mafia made it too easy, then unvotes us for a single post on Rels. I don't believe he can be that certain then be that convinced so easily. I could see the lack of caring coming from a town DP that's convinced the game is solved, but I don't think it lines up with what he's actually saying. He still seems to pretend to try and figure out the game, but not put in any actual effort. | ||
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On December 16 2015 23:00 Rels wrote: Yep you had a little fun, and I think it is scum indicative you did that while others were playing the game. Because neither of us have had a little fun whilst others were playing the game as town before. [spoiler]  There is 0 content in all your recent posts except the "why is Rels town and DP scum" one, only emotions, which is exactly how a scum would act in your position. If you honestly think this is our scum gameplan we find that very... interesting. Even then, your explanation to "DP is scum" is: - the worst WIFOM scumread I've ever seen. So DP is scum because marv wouldn't have played if he was scum with me ? That. Is. Not. A. Valid. Reason. Probably is tbh. - "I could see the lack of caring coming from a town DP that's convinced the game is solved, but I don't think it lines up with what he's actually saying. He still seems to pretend to try and figure out the game, but not put in any actual effort." But until 10 minutes ago, we were the two lynches and the two question marks, so the game was solved from his POV. Except that he still argued with us but without any conviction and then ended up unvoting us and still not having any conviction. And then when he became a possible suspect he just voted himself and went away. Surely if he actually believed the game was solved he'd get a little bit upset/a desire to play when that ended up changing? ##Unvote ##Vote DarthPunk[/quote] | ||
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On December 16 2015 23:14 Rels wrote: Well if that is your scum plan it seemed to have fucking worked ain't that right ? This is the only serious thing against him. Because it was totes predictable that Rayn would turn against DP that suddenly of course. | ||
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On December 16 2015 23:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Does anyone else see why i am legit very very confused about this post? And i think it shows a scum mindset. Actually thought that was very weird too. You should always re-eval at LYLO! ..except when Rayn is in LYLO because he can't be scum. | ||
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On December 16 2015 23:20 DarthPunk wrote: Rso you are legit terrible at the game. Artanis fuck you for not trying in vengeful you prick. <3 In other news, this actually makes us very worried Screw this game. Can we just lynch us so we don't have to think about it anymore? | ||
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On December 16 2015 23:32 Rels wrote: I didn't see where they recently played before this post: Every post was just emotional BS with 0 content. What would they have done if they were scum ? Roll out and die ? Probably concede tbh. | ||
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On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote: There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn. That does not answer my question. | ||
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On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote: Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one. Oh nevermind, you're right Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you. | ||
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On December 16 2015 23:57 Rels wrote: No 'cause DP was so confirmed town before that you were not caring 'cause the game was solved; and because you see townie things from me you go "MM MAYBE DP IS NOT CONFIRMED TOWN ACTUALLY; DO WE ANALYSE HIS FILTER ? NO LETS ASK RAYN S PERMISSION FIRST AND DO EMOTIONAL POSTS FOR 2 HOURS" You appealed to rayn who did the work for you is the most likely explanation You do realize half the things you talk about occurred AFTER the thing we're asking right? | ||
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On December 17 2015 00:02 Rels wrote: 0 explanation or filter analysis in 2 hours. We were asking about your initial reply to the initial post, not everything that occurred afterwards that you couldn't have known when you first replied. | ||
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On December 16 2015 23:25 Rels wrote: NO ITS NOT FINE UNLESS YOU ARE SURE THAT THE LAST SCUM IS ARSOUL, AND YOU ARE SURE THAT WE WILL LYNCH THEM. COME AND PLAY THE FUCKING GAME what is this rels? | ||
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On December 17 2015 00:16 Rels wrote: OK let's go back then: I don't understand the townie mindset of you posting "DP might be scum, but we will appeal to rayn before doing a filter analysis". Like fuck, rayn is not even the only townie in the game in that case. If you do a case that 100% prove DP is scum and convince both GM and I, the game is also over. Okay. We'll say here that it's possible you might have instantly assumed that we have rayn in our back pocket and he'd instantly look into DP the moment we breathed his name, therefore overriding our self-vote and not requiring any work on our part. | ||
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On December 17 2015 00:18 Rels wrote: I don't know I assume you will tell me soon ? No, explain what you were thinking. | ||
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On December 17 2015 00:30 Rels wrote: I'm thinking that it's not fine he's thinking him getting lynched is fine. Why not? Only DP and I can be scum to you, right? How does his post merit that sort of reaction? | ||
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On December 17 2015 00:49 Rels wrote: Arsoul you accused DP of not having a position, but I don't even know if you're still scumreading DP or if you went back to me. If you could do the "filter analysis" that was promised on both DP and I and make up your mind it would be great. We're trying to get a read on you through interaction, obviously | ||
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On December 17 2015 01:02 Rels wrote: Cause I'm pretty sure I'm the lynch tomorrow if DP is lynched today. So, survival, basically. Okay, that would be true as either alignment. Meh. | ||
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We can't tell who is scum but Lex thinks Rels is more likely. So I guess it's better to say that I can't tell -pokes Lex-I kinda just want the game to end tbh I already filter-dived DP and although I found plenty of little things to nitpick if I wanted to try to throw scum on him, nothing stood out to me as definitively scummy over townie. Then he posts that emotional appeal and all I can think is that if he's actually scum doing that he's a complete asshole. Maybe it's cause of our feelings about this game that I just find DP's reaction more townie than flailing about wildly? (Sorry if you're town Rels, but that's the impression you're giving me.) I dunnae. I'll let Lex decide what he wants to do. I think it's Rels over DP by a slight margin but really I don't want to bother with this game any further if we're wrong :/ | ||
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It's yours, rayn ^^ no pressure? haha | ||
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On December 17 2015 01:15 Rels wrote: What does flailing mean exactly ? Cause the definition I have in mind doesn't describe what I've done at all. It means searching for something in a way that is more chaotic than systematic, in this context. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Rels If you decide you want to lynch us instead we're good with that too. | ||
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On December 17 2015 01:53 Rels wrote: Artasoul: you were talking by phone when Arta saw that marv posted right ? Yeah, Tina was out doing groceries and neither of us were feeling all too well at the time so our motivation was pretty low to begin with. Then we saw everyone switching over to you and figured you were a fine lynch as well. | ||
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