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On December 16 2015 00:31 Rels wrote: Wait. What time are you talking about exactly ? LOL yes that cannot be interpreted another way. It's a time AFTER marv started posting but BEFORE his alignement was known. Arsoultin didn't post a single post during that period. So they were observing but didn't post in the crisis that was EOD1. | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:39 RtaniSoul wrote: We checked in to check once when marv was posting and then everyone was switching to rels and we were fine with that. After that we got the deadline wrong by an hour so we missed that part. Sure. Concede. | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:40 RtaniSoul wrote: You tried so hard and got so far but in the end you're still getting lynched today or tomorrow  Man if I lose this game because you saw that marv posted but didn't bother writing stuff, I have no problem (= actually if you're town I want us to concede. Now way scum should lose here. | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:43 GreYMisT wrote: We still have a day. I would ask that the town don't come down upon Rels like I sense we are about to. This day can either be entirly about him defending himself and getting lynched anyway, or it can be about him trying to find the other scum through good methods. Though if you just keep quoting Rtani and saying "conceed" I will quickly reevaluate my position. Do you think it's believable that artasoul saw marv post during EOD1 but didn't bother writing stuff while everyone else was panicking ? | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:46 GreYMisT wrote: Rels can you do me a favor please Yep doc. Sry for the aggressiveness earlier, I know it's hard to be on the receiving end of aggressive questionning. Even if I don't understand how the fuck you could invent something that didn't exist. | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am going to write a post about that in two hours in case Rels doesnt' do that earlier. You will have to do it I'm leaving work soon. | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:39 RtaniSoul wrote: We checked in to check once when marv was posting and then everyone was switching to rels and we were fine with that. After that we got the deadline wrong by an hour so we missed that part. No GM it's not possible this behaviour comes from town. And if that's the case, they should lose. | ||
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On December 16 2015 00:52 GreYMisT wrote: Not really, I didnt mind it. I was never going to get lynched this game, doubt I would have even if I wasnt the doc (would have not played as a blue in that case) I have you in one of 2 categories: you are either overzealous town, or new/panicking mafia. To figure out if you are town or mafia I'd like you to just post your thoughts about Rayn, DP, and Rtani. just a paragraph about each is fine, feel free to copy and paste earlier analysis you have done, I just dont want to see "he is scum" be the only thing there. Cool. rayn is town 'cause he could have lynched me easily during EOD1. rayn is an extremely mechanical player, if he can gain an advantage to win the game he will do it. DP is probably town because marv voted him at EOD. marv knows he's a respectable player and even only posting 10 minutes, he could get DP lynched. If that's not enough, I feel like he's scumhunting and not faking his thoughts. Like a few hours ago; he went in, gave his thoughts on arsoul you and I, and these thoughts were logical; he didn't think the misstep you did made you scum, he found my attitude townie, he didn't like arsoul's not caring about the game. arsoul is scum for what they just posted. But if you want to know more, I made this post when I still was sure you were scum about why I was disappointed with their play: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499921-really-small-mafia-ii?page=27#535 Their basis for their reads are bad. Like apparently you are town because you have a townie tone and because you wouldn't attack rayn & Damdred as scum. This is a very bad reason to townread someone. There also was a moment where they townread me 'cause "Why would he not scumread us as scum ?" That's really bad. They also are not caring about the game. Evidently, they didn't post during EOD + 13 hours after it; and they're not trying to solve the game. | ||
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On December 16 2015 04:17 RtaniSoul wrote: And if you think that's likely, go ahead and lynch us. Then lynch Rels. OK let's do that. | ||
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On December 16 2015 12:01 RtaniSoul wrote: Why Rels is scum: I told lex when I first saw this post that if marv is scum, Rels had a good chance of being his partner for this. It's completely lining up the switch from marv to DP the moment marv posts. There's nothing here to suggest he'd even think twice about it or that it's a real scumread. Also, note that this post came well before marv had been absent long enough from the thread to start getting a mountain of votes. This is not a scum indicator; this is a narrative. I would arguee that I wouldn't put a vote on my teammate this early in the game, especially since I had DP as potential scum; but this if WIFOM and cannot be used to determine alignment. On December 16 2015 12:01 RtaniSoul wrote: Point 2: marv votes DP and not Rels. Even if we assume that he really did AFK as scum while being lynched after returning to the thread last minute to try to squirm out of a lynch, he was still in the thread when rayn voted Rels at the very least. He did not vote to survive, and we know that this was not because he was town. That makes it very likely that Rels is scum! This is WIFOM. marv was scum, so he did what he wanted to give his team the best chance of success. And here you find weird that marv did not vote me if I'm not scum; but above you say me being scum matches with me switching off him. Why do you not consider the possibility that I'm town seeing the exact thing you're finding weird and decided marv might be town ? On December 16 2015 12:01 RtaniSoul wrote: Point 3: Rels doesn't actually believe what he's saying when he says our "reasons" are bad for our reads. Specifically, Rels stated in the scum QT of Drams that it made sense that rayn sided (incorrectly) with his fake claim because he was being logical while I sided (entirely correctly) with the real RBer for...his townie tone. Not only did he recognize that rsoultin bases her reads on tone, but he used some of her reads in his towngame that just ended. This is made up to attempt to throw scum on us and he doesn't really believe it. This is bad. Only once in my rage post did I call you out of a read based on tone; on the very last sentence. You adequating "me saying you have bad reads" and "me saying you have bad reads because these reads are based on tone" is disforming what I've said. Now I've said your GM read is bad: it was based on (1) a townie tone and (2) WIFOM. Guess what. GM himself said he played differently because he was blue, so I have no idea how you could not find his tone "scummy". I know he looked dodgy to me when I interrogated him. Now I return the compliment. rsoultin was able to townread me in a game then scumread me in another based on how I nitpick stuff. Her not being able to see I'm town here when it's obvious to anyone who knows me is another sign that you've probably decided I was the best mislynch to victory. On December 16 2015 12:01 RtaniSoul wrote: Point 4: Rels is try-harding. Town, unless they believe there is scum in rayn/dp, doesn't need to try-hard. We've won! Bad townies will look at Rels and go damn, he's trying so hard, he must be town. But they're missing the obvious. Only scum needs to try here. Joke's on him, though No amount of try-harding will keep him from being lynched Day 3.I always tryhard, so this is NAI. BTW you're the one tryharding right there. (= | ||
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On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote: You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us. You should probably focus on burying rels now. Wow you are treating me as a confirmed town now ? | ||
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On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote: We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother. And you know very well he will listen if you say smart things, so it is without a point to ask such a question. Even if you didn't already played dozen of games with him, he did exactly that during N1. | ||
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On December 15 2015 07:09 RtaniSoul wrote: Okay, we've decided to re-evaluate everything and we've come to some shocking revelations. After rereading over all the posts, we've decided Rayn is the most likely scum. He was inconsistent in his reads on Greymist. At first, he didn't want to lynch him, then suddenly he does. It just doesn't make any sense. Secondly, we also think Damdred is mafia. LoneMeow is a bastard host and it was actually Rels who flipped vanilla town. Marv was also town. DarthPunk we aren't sure on. We thought he might be town because he buddied people early but then he started making posts that made sense so now we're not sure. GreYMisT.. Well, we thought he was town for everything but then he misconstrued something he once said in an argument about an argument in an argument so we guess he's mafia anyway. Unfortunately this means the game is already lost because there's too many mafia  You were into this "sarcastically not caring" mode when you were sure either GM or I were scum, but you mocked rayn for scumreading GM instead of I all the same. And now you're begging for him to pleeaaaaase listen to you if you do us the great honor of fucking playing the game. And here, after DP said he was not the doc, you continued pushing the notion that the scum was in Rels / GM: On December 15 2015 23:38 RtaniSoul wrote: Quite simply, the doctor should claim so there's no chance of a scum fake claim in lylo/mylo (with a couple possible exceptions that should be obvious). We could try hard here, but what's the point? Lynch Rels, and if he for some weird reason flips town, lynch GM. DP is right; if GM is scum it's not for that. To us the game is basically solved? So no, we really don't care anymore, especially when we were getting scumreads for being too clean. Newsflash: we're townie because we're town, not some stupid bullshit mindfuck only scum players are townie narrative. (Yes, I'm looking at you, rayn.) When it was clear that only GM could be doc. You're not playing the game, and now you want to be begged to bother reading a five pages filter. | ||
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