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raynpelikoneet
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GreYMisT
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On December 15 2015 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well Rels is not the doc either so... how did you come to that conclusion? | ||
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Rels
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On December 15 2015 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have special powers to know that. Mm where did I slip VT ? | ||
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most likely would have claimed instead of posting: On December 14 2015 06:42 Rels wrote: Wow getting lynched I see. Well, better now than being the cause of losing the game | ||
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Rels
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On December 15 2015 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: he would have not been "self-suicidal" on eod1 if he was. most likely would have claimed instead of posting: Well I had no way to avoid that slip (= | ||
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GreYMisT
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On December 15 2015 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: he would have not been "self-suicidal" on eod1 if he was. most likely would have claimed instead of posting: thats fair | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On December 15 2015 07:33 GreYMisT wrote: Rayn my issue is that if the doctor claims and we misslynch, we are at lylo. if doctor maintains silence, he can at least have a chance at another save tonight. This is all im seeing and the fact that Rtani and you both cavalierly advocate for this plan makes me a bit worried. successful doctor save puts us at MYLO for the next day anyways if we mislynch. Obviously this means i am town and DP is town but i am 100% sure of myself (i would have really lynched Rels 100% if i was scum with marv -- i can guarantee you that), and i don't see why DP would be mafia tbh. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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There are no downsides and we get a confirmed town, or just win the game. | ||
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GreYMisT
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On December 15 2015 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: successful doctor save puts us at MYLO for the next day anyways if we mislynch. Obviously this means i am town and DP is town but i am 100% sure of myself (i would have really lynched Rels 100% if i was scum with marv -- i can guarantee you that), and i don't see why DP would be mafia tbh. I also lean town on DP but I dont think I share your conviction. Im reading again to see if I get there with you. | ||
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Ive been focusing on the end of day stuff and am having a hard time wrapping my head around marv's behavior. At the point of this entry into the game the only 2 reasons I can think of that people were voting him were inactivity and meta reasons (but based on him being inactive). Regardless of anyone elses alignment, I would have thought the best play for him to survive until next day would be to basically just ask to let him prove it tomorrow and in the night and then try to find a lynch someone agrees with. This isnt what happened. Instead: 1st - enters the game leaning scum on Rels 2nd - votes DP, still has some suspicion of Rels 3rd - you and he have a small discussion and you vote Rels 4th -appeal to emotion 5th - he has an exchange with others 6th - final appeal to emotion All in all his push on DP is really weak, and he ends even with a little note on Rels looking suspicious. The trouble I am having here is, why would he go this route instead? he had 2 "scum" reads, he could have just left it open and said "fine" and voted rels with you by saying it didnt matter to him. I believe he must have weighed the risks and reward and thought he was likely to die, and chose this action on purpose. This leads me to think that either DP or Rels are scum. its not the most watertight analysis but thats what this tells me. what do you think? I just want to put this here, but this underlined and bolded part caught my eye. I have no logical reason why it did but I thought I would point it out nevertheless. On December 14 2015 05:08 marvellosity wrote: maybe Rels is just town for it and it's actually rsoul/Lex and they've managed to make 3 or 4 nice sounding posts and the whole game townreads them for it Rels' play is a lot dirtier than rsoul/lex's which is kinda townie i mean it might make sense for mafia in this setup to distance themselves with bussing maybe? setting up a case on DP. But then if that's the case then he probably should follow through, so it's not even that he's voting an afk over a scumread, ti's the fact that the narrative doesn't make sense. possibly. Alright, I'll be AFK for a bit, just thought id get that out there. | ||
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Rels
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On December 15 2015 07:09 RtaniSoul wrote: Okay, we've decided to re-evaluate everything and we've come to some shocking revelations. After rereading over all the posts, we've decided Rayn is the most likely scum. He was inconsistent in his reads on Greymist. At first, he didn't want to lynch him, then suddenly he does. It just doesn't make any sense. Secondly, we also think Damdred is mafia. LoneMeow is a bastard host and it was actually Rels who flipped vanilla town. Marv was also town. DarthPunk we aren't sure on. We thought he might be town because he buddied people early but then he started making posts that made sense so now we're not sure. GreYMisT.. Well, we thought he was town for everything but then he misconstrued something he once said in an argument about an argument in an argument so we guess he's mafia anyway. Unfortunately this means the game is already lost because there's too many mafia  You're bad. You're two players, and you two are the worst players in this game. + Show Spoiler [Why you're bad] + Your reads are bad. In your first post you had a perfectly fine opinion on DP: On December 12 2015 15:03 RtaniSoul wrote: Game? I've been mislynched once on this site, in large part because I failed to convince geript that DP was a skeezy scumbucket with a geript in his pocket. Artie remembers Imperial and remembers a more aggressive DP. I glanced through the town game before that just in case replacing in might have had an effect on DP's play, but no dice. Aggressive there right out the starting gate. These are only a few games, but given they support the perception we already have... Where you getting this from, rayn? -waves at DP- Because pointing out that you're buddying people is definitely not worth mentioning or anything ^^ We up for a round two? rayn posts why you should reconsider it: On December 12 2015 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is the last game i remember playing with DarthPunk when we were both town. This is his filter in the game. Basically i know DP is usually aggressive and i can see where you are coming from. Obviously it's nor out of the realm of possibilities he is mafia here, but i disagree in him not being "aggressive enough" makes him mafia. He treats different people differently, and i know for a fact he buddies to strong players (if you read the filter the "proof" is there). Basically this game is filled with people who in my opinion do not respond well -- or at all -- to pressure, at least unfounded pressure (i mean situations where the game has went on for hours and there is not really anything scummy in thread -- disagree?). At the time you called him out, what in your opinion should he have done as town? Should he have questioned something? Should he have pressured something more? In my opinion, when i read the thread at that point, i didn't see anything wrong -- which is i, myself decided to comment on the only read i could be even semi-sure of. Also bringing up Imperial is in my opinion a bit of a misjudgement (or what the fuck is the word). He replaced into a game on N3...... Of course there is going to be some reads he has rofl. If he hadn't any reads on a thread that is @ N3, he could just quit mafia. Comparing that game to this one (at 6 hours into the game with only 3 people properly even posting) is quite a stretch. Then BEFORE RECONSIDERING IT, YOU POST THE FUCKING SAME READ TWO MORE TIMES, THEN YOU SAY "OK RAYN WAS RIGHT WE WERE WRONG". WHY DID YOU REPOST THE SAME READ WITHOUT CHECKING WHAT RAYN SAID ??????? ITS USELESS, IT CLUTTERS THE THREAD, IT DOESNT HAVE A PURPOSE On December 13 2015 01:10 RtaniSoul wrote: P.S. Thanks rayn! I'll take a look at your link...later? Maybe when I'm waiting at the airport to pick up Lex. Also, just to be clear, my point was the buddying and not the aggression...I am well aware that DP can be aggressive as either alignment, and we are both aware that Imperial is different, which is why I looked up the other town game (Avogadro, to be precise). So let me rephrase. Buddying without pushing anything early game is what caught our attention. On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote: About the reiteration Our concern is essentially what we're outlining below. Not the fact that DP is buddying, or that he's not aggressive in isolation, but that he's a non-entity. Those are distinctly different in our minds than saying oh look! DP is buddying people! He must be scum! Or DP is not being aggressive enough! He must be scum! It is more of an overall feel for his presence (or lack thereof) in the thread. Here you say DP's townread in not at all based on rayn: On December 14 2015 21:00 RtaniSoul wrote: Lexy really thinks DP is town based on his later posting, and I'm gonna trust him over me. We realize that there wasn't much thread sentiment to move to DP and it could have been considered a safe buss attempt, but Occam's razor suggests marv doesn't put his vote on his scummate to get out of a nearly inevitable lynch. We also don't see marv risking lynching his scumbuddy because he's not likely to play afterward. Then here it's partly based on rayn's read: On December 14 2015 23:39 RtaniSoul wrote: In the end, we trusted rayn that buddying and lack of aggression alone doesn't make DP scum and couldn't be assed to do a meta dive. Which bring me to a parenthesis: YOU ANSWER PARTIALLY TO QUESTIONS On December 15 2015 00:39 RtaniSoul wrote: You're right. If we'd townread GM for attacking Damdred specifically for that reason, rather than because pushing damdred and rayn is a high-risk, low-reward play with scum marv afk...that would be weird. "We townread DP because WIFOM WIFOM". That's bad but OK. On December 15 2015 00:46 RtaniSoul wrote: If those were our only reasons, then yes, they would be weak. Also, rayn's reasons for townreading GM are excellent lol >< OH I DIDNT MENTION IT IN THE LAST ANSWER BUT WE HAVE OTHER REASONS TOO HURR DURR END OF PARENTHESIS BECAUSE IT GOES BACK TO BAD READS: On December 15 2015 01:06 RtaniSoul wrote: So our view on Rels' recent posting is that it feels like the tone is more townie in that he's working with us and asking questions which is more indicative of his Townplay, but the things he's trying to nail people on are things that have either already been explained or aren't that strong and it feels a bit like "hey, can I nail them on this?" "nope? damn, let me try this instead". That's kind of the impression he's leaving on us right now. MY GOD HOW DARE RELS ASK US QUESTIONS TO SEE IF WE RE SCUM, THEN DONT FIND SOMETHING SCUMMY IN OUR ANSWERS AND GO DO SOMETHING ELSE E EZ SCUM On December 14 2015 23:11 RtaniSoul wrote: To be honest, Rels, you just haven't written anything that has made us go "ah! that looks like a town Rels!" You seem to be gunning after whatever you can get. I described it as throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks. BECAUSE THAT IS TOTALLY NOT HOW I SCUM HUNT USUALLY HOW DARE RELS THROW SEVERAL SPAGHETTIS AND SEE THE ONE THAT STICKS ON SCUM You scumread me for POE, which is OK, AND for asking "pointless questions trying to nail suspicions on someone" which is outrageous. THAT S TRUE, HOW DARE RELS BE SUSPICIOUS OF US WHEN WE HAD SUCH A PERFECT EOD ??? WE JUST WERE AFK DURING DEADLINE AND 13 HOURS AFTER IT BECAUSE I WAS SHOPPING THE WHOLE CITY. Oh Arta ??? uh .... he was sick What is EVEN WORSE is that you also scumread me by POE because of this SUPERBE GM townread: On December 14 2015 23:11 RtaniSoul wrote: we still feel that GM's approach to the game has been fairly townie in terms of tone and strategy. Damdred and Rayn as his main scumreads earlier, for example, is just not a winning play for scum when they're never getting lynched here. We townread this experienced player because TONE and HE WOULDNT WEAR PANTS IN HIS HEAD IF HE WAS SCUM RIGHT ???? Now can you two can link me ONE time in any town game a moment where someone else ask you to explain your reasonning, and you MAKE UP A NEW ONE BEFORE REALIZING IT WASNT IT ? | ||
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DarthPunk
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Some things. I'm not the medic. Rels looks really townie to me. I think RSO looks bad. I think the medic should probably claim if a save doesn't effect the number of mis-lynches we get because a confirmed townie is really strong in a small game. Free to chat for a little if anyone is around while I read through some stuff. | ||
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Rels
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On December 15 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote: OK im around for like 15 minutes before I have to go to bed. Some things. I'm not the medic. Rels looks really townie to me. I think RSO looks bad. I think the medic should probably claim if a save doesn't effect the number of mis-lynches we get because a confirmed townie is really strong in a small game. Free to chat for a little if anyone is around while I read through some stuff. Did you reread the thing on GM like you said you would ? What did you think of it ? Apprently nothing much since you didn't even mention it ? | ||
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On December 15 2015 19:33 Rels wrote: Did you reread the thing on GM like you said you would ? What did you think of it ? Apprently nothing much since you didn't even mention it ? Nope. I literally just got home skimmed the last page and posted that. | ||
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