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On December 15 2015 19:39 Rels wrote: Well, can you read it ? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499921-really-small-mafia-ii?page=24#466 Yes I was reading it you don't need to link me that shit. ]Anyway I get what you mean in that his arguments shifted and were created out of thin almost in those discussions with you. | ||
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On December 15 2015 19:44 DarthPunk wrote: Yes I was reading it you don't need to link me that shit. ]Anyway I get what you mean in that his arguments shifted and were created out of thin almost in those discussions with you. Yep, he made up an a reason to explain why he posted something; then said he made a mistake and that the reason wasn't true. I think it's impossible for a someone to make up a reason to explain one of his own post if he's town. | ||
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Rayn? What happens to all your reasoning in that big post about greymist I really liked now that he is scum in your eyes? You too Rels can you explain what in the fuck Scum!Greymist was doing at EoD waffling around the marv lynch? How do you think they were furthering their objectives as a team at that point? Like I don't think you are wrong necessarily, but I think that there are reasons for grey being both alignments and I'm not sure which ones are the ones that we need to pay the most attention too. | ||
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On December 15 2015 19:47 Rels wrote: Yep, he made up an a reason to explain why he posted something; then said he made a mistake and that the reason wasn't true. I think it's impossible for a someone to make up a reason to explain one of his own post if he's town. The bolded is very, very untrue. | ||
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I don't think the hydra is actually scumhunting or really gives a fuck about the game at all. | ||
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On December 15 2015 19:49 DarthPunk wrote: You too Rels can you explain what in the fuck Scum!Greymist was doing at EoD waffling around the marv lynch? How do you think they were furthering their objectives as a team at that point? Yep. On December 14 2015 05:16 GreYMisT wrote: Much less than I did before. I can go into detail why but its based on the misunderstanding we had and I dont think thats the best use of our time; now that Marv is here things have gotten unfortunatly interesting. On December 14 2015 05:23 GreYMisT wrote: My issue here is that this post didnt come at the start of the game when you said "hey" after the day post. You obviously knew that the game was starting and that it was the weekend. You didnt make any effort to phone post and say, "yo guys cant post, sorry, will do it later" or anything of the sort. Why shouldn't I believe that you are scum marv trying to come in at the last second and sow a little chaos? On December 14 2015 05:25 GreYMisT wrote: you've already gotten 1 vote off yourself On December 14 2015 05:26 GreYMisT wrote: how do you respond to this statement then? On December 14 2015 05:29 GreYMisT wrote: DP has a point here marv, I filtered him and unless im missing something he said im suspicious, never that I was his choice of a lynch to follow you. Why him over Rels if this is the case? On December 14 2015 05:36 GreYMisT wrote: Well guys, we have an hour and a half to discuss marvs last posts, figure out if he is still the lynch, and if not find another. My first impression is that it seems weird that he alternates between having reads on DP and rels, but only wants to kill DP. what do you guys think about that? In the meantime im going to look at the other options for lynch. I'm no longer confortable with rayn as a lynch. Thinking about what ritani said about his meta, and clearing up that inconsistancy i thought i saw in his post allieviated a lot of my concerns. I am looking at rels and damdred atm because I am leaning town on DP. Softly resisting the switch off marv, then being convinced to switch anyway. On December 14 2015 05:40 Damdred wrote: So Damdred Rayn Marc Hydra Rels/dp/grey Idk what to do maybe Rels today On December 14 2015 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh god and then you make posts like that... Now i have absolutely no idea what to do. Like why do you just plain out refuse to consider Rels as mafia? Damdred scum over Rels, no fucking hell ever. On December 14 2015 05:41 Damdred wrote: The bottom three are pure poe, I think Rels probably has the highest chance of flipping scum to a point. Grey has a few weird things, and I'm just paranoid of dp tricking me again I guess, rayn and Damdred are OK switching to me. On December 14 2015 05:46 GreYMisT wrote: I found 2 things about rels. first this post sticks out to me: That agreement with DP at the end strikes me as really weird, but I dont know why. Maybe its becuase its really just meaningless, he doesnt use the time or space to push me or ask a question, and there really is no followup along this line from him. and then there is a possible overreaction becuase i mentioned his name in this post: prompting him to 3rd party defend rayn. maybe im reaching but I'd be ok with a rels lynch if thats the play. Magically GM finds two weird things in my filter; one that is not scum indicative and one that is wrong. On December 14 2015 05:50 GreYMisT wrote: oh and ##Unvote: Marvellosity You guys are right, although a scum or town marv could enter the game like that, its not alignment indicitave. I'm going to vote Rels until we figure out whats what ##Vote: Rels Switching to me without really comitting (until we figure out whats what). On December 14 2015 06:19 GreYMisT wrote: I'd be pusing marv more about it, but right berfore i posted that he said he was leaving and evidently he did. So, like ryan said, we either have to lynch marv because fuck it, or we lynch someone else. I feel weirder about rels than I do about anyone else, for the reasons i pointed out. and am most comfortable with that atm. On December 14 2015 06:39 GreYMisT wrote: As will I marv is still scummy but Rels is weirder. On December 14 2015 06:42 GreYMisT wrote: That is what I was starting to get at with my question to him, weird that he pushes DP but spends seemingly more time analyzing Rels. Its easier to analyze teammates, especially ones who dont seem, at the time, like they are the target that day. However, Im not sold on Marv being mafia, his focus seemed weird but he did all of that in like a one hour period. Even though it seemed all over the place to me it seemed genuine. If marv is mafia he's partner with Rels. But marv might no be mafia (but Rels is still mafia) I come to the thread. On December 14 2015 06:43 GreYMisT wrote: Rels we need another target other than Marv, what do you have and why On December 14 2015 06:43 GreYMisT wrote: Or if it is still marv after his appearance explain Weird thing to say 17 minutes before deadline. On December 14 2015 06:53 GreYMisT wrote: Im staying on rels On December 14 2015 06:58 GreYMisT wrote: I don't think marv is the lynch today, you are all panicking Fighting the switch off me. | ||
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Sheeped marv and rayn' will to switch to me by finding two bullshit reasons => scum indicative. Doesn't really commit to the vote on me and still show doubts when I enter the thread => scum indicative. Doesn't want to switch off me to the scum lynch => NAI, possible for both alignement | ||
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Pretty sure I've done it myself. Look at any bad townies bad post-hoc rationalizations for things. Like that is one of the biggest reasons bad townies get mislynched. No, I'm not going to look for a specific example for you. But I assure you it does happen. (like I'm also pretty sure rayn has raged at bad townies doing this at least once) | ||
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On December 15 2015 19:58 DarthPunk wrote: Have you played with marv much Rels? I think only one game, why ? I also hosted two games in which he played. | ||
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On December 15 2015 20:01 DarthPunk wrote: Pretty sure I've done it myself. Look at any bad townies bad post-hoc rationalizations for things. Like that is one of the biggest reasons bad townies get mislynched. No, I'm not going to look for a specific example for you. But I assure you it does happen. (like I'm also pretty sure rayn has raged at bad townies doing this at least once) I've seen him only one time, I cased the guy, he was scum. I'm not talking about bad reasonning or whatever; when asked to explain one of his own post, he made up a reason! I don't believe it's possible for a townie to do that. | ||
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On December 15 2015 20:02 Rels wrote: I think only one game, why ? I also hosted two games in which he played. Because at one point in TL mafia history, around the time when GreyMist and I played a lot off mafia, marv was considered a legitimate god at the game. Like the Flash of TL mafia. Coming from that mindset or perspective that marv is super super good and could singlehandidly the game it is an intimidating prospect to lynch him for ??? reasons. Like Rayn did have a very good reason later on but at first it was cause he was AFK all weekend (which he is also known for if you have played with him a lot) given this historical context between the players it actually makes sense somewhat that GreyMist was reacting to the marv lynch this way. And it also makes sense that you would not necessarily notice this because you lack the historical context and marv has probably (certainly?) dropped off from his prime playing days. | ||
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Like I was pretty good at this game when I was in my prime. (my prime has passed due to real life shit sadly) | ||
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On December 15 2015 20:07 DarthPunk wrote: Because at one point in TL mafia history, around the time when GreyMist and I played a lot off mafia, marv was considered a legitimate god at the game. Like the Flash of TL mafia. Coming from that mindset or perspective that marv is super super good and could singlehandidly the game it is an intimidating prospect to lynch him for ??? reasons. Like Rayn did have a very good reason later on but at first it was cause he was AFK all weekend (which he is also known for if you have played with him a lot) given this historical context between the players it actually makes sense somewhat that GreyMist was reacting to the marv lynch this way. And it also makes sense that you would not necessarily notice this because you lack the historical context and marv has probably (certainly?) dropped off from his prime playing days. OK. The biggest thing is still not explainable from a townie mindset; damdred and rayn (GM's former scumreads until 2 minutes before apparently) talks about switching to me; GM finds two bullshit reasons just to say he's not sheeping rayn & Damdred, then switch to me. It just screams scum and it is extremely different from the mindset rayn & Damdred had. | ||
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On December 15 2015 20:10 DarthPunk wrote: Your mafia style actually reminds me of myself a lot Rels. Which is a good thing, I promise. Like I was pretty good at this game when I was in my prime. (my prime has passed due to real life shit sadly) (= | ||
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