EPT[T][M] Resistance V - Section 31 - Page 13
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On November 07 2015 21:09 Half the Sky wrote: Not all the time, but I'm saying it happens, and looking at my filter it should be pretty damn obvious context-wise as to why I'm playing suboptimally. If you want to dismiss that, that's on you. Honestly if this were a lynch game, my getting lynched would tell you something just as what happened when the first two people in Drams got mislynched and you nearly went off the deep end - to use an example coolTLname being very new to our way of doing mafia. Context, which you habitually disregard - no it doesn't make you mafia but this is just something that is characteristic of your gameplay in general. The thing is scummy things are scummy. If a townie does scummy things it is their fault. In the last resistance game i played a townie nomninated a team they should know (by their own poe they pointed out) that there is scum in that team. I was a clear proof that "they are scum". Obviously townies fuck up sometimes, because they are bad. I don't care if i lose the game because of townie's bad play. But i will never townread a player who does scummy things, unless it is (almost) imppossible they are mafia, never. Just because someone has done that before as town doesn't make it townie in this game. The problem with resistance is that you don't actually lynch people. And you need people to vote a townie team. Therefore it's even more important that people actually think what they do post before they do. You and Shockeyy do scummy/illogical things. Therefore you are most likely mafia. If you are town, YOU fucked up, not me. But unless something changes drastically, i think the scumteam is you/Shockeyy/sicklucker. I think that's the most logical explanation votewise, and behaviorwise. If you and/or shockeyy are town, and by that i am gonna lose to scum!Rels, so be it, but i can't scumread him because it doesn't make sense, you two being mafia makes more sense. Feel free to prove me wrong. | ||
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On November 07 2015 21:24 Half the Sky wrote: Welp, then with that mentality don't complain if we lose really. You aren't one to work really well with people so I'm not surprised by this reaction. I mean I'll keep plowing about since you are only 1 of nine players, but your attitude really isn't helping this game. ...says the person who decided to post shit before even figuring out if she is wrong or right in what she claims. And MY attitude "is not helping the town". Right. | ||
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Here is why ShoCkeyy is mafia: First of all these things go together: + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2015 03:15 ShoCkeyy wrote: I'm pretty much going to reject the xata/rayn combo wombo. I'd rather see the first team mentioned - hts,super,xata go through. At least if a sabotage happens, we definitely have a good chance of finding the mafia until the next mission. Xatalos is null -> that means he has to townread the people i colored green in the post. There is no other possible way he says this. On November 03 2015 22:37 ShoCkeyy wrote: Yea sure why not, I have a better feeling about kitaman and rels than I do of you... Townreads on kitaman and Rels. On November 04 2015 04:52 ShoCkeyy wrote: @kita you summed it up here: "He doesn't seem comfortable giving out statements which he isn't confident about. This could either mean that truly isn't sure and wants more time until it is clear or that he doesn't want to make a statement that could backfire later on in the game." And also, I have been looking into rayn's previous games. Another thing, I don't need to be on a team, I already know I'm town, so when ever I do get on a team I'll be a 33% chance that it will pass. My current focus atm is trying to find town so when I vote for the teams, I know I'm voting confidently. Look at the bolded part in this post for further reference. On November 05 2015 02:11 ShoCkeyy wrote: You missed that I town read you and rels also. Another thing, why would I say I don't need to get on a team if I was mafia? Wouldn't I want to be on a team if I was mafia in order to sabotage?... You guys don't make any sense. I also don't need to place myself on my own team if I'm confident on who is town. Back to work. Now from these posts we can gather the following: Everyone except rayn/Xatalos/sicklucker is townreads. I don't give a fuck if the dude says "i didn't actually say that" because that is just bullshit. If he townreads five people and he is himself town that literally means he thinks the rest of the people are likely to be mafia. Now let's go to this, what i bolded earlier: My current focus atm is trying to find town so when I vote for the teams, I know I'm voting confidently. Okay so in his opinion, he has found the townies. This doesn't go along with how he ACTUALLY votes for the HtS team. For two reasons: 1) He "knows" there is scum on the team. In fact he should assume there is two scum (me/Xatalos). Yet he still votes yes, while earlier on saying he will refuse that team. 2) Now if he wants to be "tricky" and yay-vote the team because there are 2 scum in it, that would be okay. But that's not why he says he yay-voted it (i could have somehow understood that explanation). To elaborate further onto this all. Shockeyy was okay with there being 1 scum on the team while saying his current focus is finding town -- that doesn't really go along with what he said earlier. A reasonable explanation for the yay-vote should have been "in fact it's better that there are 2 or even 3 scum on the team, as long as we don't send any of those people onto further mission". That's not however his explanation. Onto Xatalos' team. In Shockeyy's opinion this mission had three scum in it. Yet he refused to yay-vote it. Again, his stance is: On November 05 2015 23:58 ShoCkeyy wrote: Idk why it's so hard for people to understand I knew the votes would be visible... Also it's not hard to look through my filter. The lineup when I voted was HtS, Xata and Kita, which I was perfectly fine with. Also, a bit more on my strategy. Losing the first one is a big deal to me, because then we have 1 out of 3 that have to be mafia. We just do not ever send any of them to any missions. After there will be three missions that are ready to be won since the fourth one needs at least 2 mafia members and we know of already one by then who hasn't gone on any other missions. Obviously there will be two more, as well, but with this game dragging out, it'll eventually be easy to spot them. ... now if he actually believes all of me/Xatalos/SL are mafia, he should upvote this team. Just because then we don't send any of them into further mission --> the town wins, since the town will automatically pick 4 town whoever they pick. Then when the mission passes, the same team gets picked again. Then when the mission passes who cares who is picked onto mission 4. The other possibility is he doesn't actually townread the people he says he townreads, which also doesn't make any sense. TLDR; - His approach to how he votes doesn't line up with WHY he acts in some way in some situations and in another way in other situations. - He doesn't really give any reasoning to his reads. The only reasoning he gives is the scumreads on me and Xatalos, and "he is angry", "they are in the thread at the same time", "they both suspected Rels" is not a reason to scumread anyone. - When he is called out of his reads, he says "i didn't really call you scum" -- i think everyone can see why this is literally bullshit, kitaman already pointed this out. | ||
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On November 07 2015 21:49 sicklucker wrote: Like rayn/xata which one of you is the idiot town that wont even consider that the other is scum even tho mathamaticly they are scum like 60+% of the time How about you explain why i am scum instead of just throwing in some percentages without any substance? If you are scum the easiest way for you is just to call me and Xatalos mafia and say "well i don't care at least one of them is scum yolo". Because you effectively zone out two townies for "reasonable" reasons. | ||
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On November 07 2015 22:03 sicklucker wrote: WHY DONT YOU DO THAT TO ME. YOU SAID IM SCUM WITHOUT A SINGLE REASON WHY. Im not even saying your the scum im saying its you or xata. stop ignoring me its very scummy rayn You are scum because Xatalos is town. | ||
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No, Xatalos looks more town than you do. Like i am obviously wrong on one of my reads. And i think i am wrong on you. This isn't that hard to grasp what i am saying... | ||
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On November 07 2015 22:10 sicklucker wrote: like what changed from this logic? the people you think could be scum with me did not want me picked. who are my partners? Like wtf? I thought you are town at that time. | ||
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On November 07 2015 22:13 sicklucker wrote: See if i were rayn/xata I would have an opinion of who is likely the scum. but I would not ve suggesting the other for the next mission... its the stupidest shit I have ever heard. Surely you can see how stupid this is rayn.. Can i also use the "too dumb to be scum" excuse like everyone else does? j/k, i just don't think he is scum, and if he is town and quite sure of his read on me i can see him saying that. | ||
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Shouldn't it go the other way around? | ||
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On November 07 2015 22:20 sicklucker wrote: I skimmed it tbh. it tilts me more to rayn being the scum and xata being dumb. Like I didnt make my reasons to town read xata up. But my entire reason for townreading rayn might have been wrong since he went against that logic now anyway. He could have just been townreading me to set up just this situation Except i wanted someone else onto the mission over you.... | ||
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On November 07 2015 22:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also don't like how she hasn't really addressed anything towards me when I'm a townread of hers, yet she seems fine with me scumreading her. Also, Rayn, what's your current read on Rels? You made a big post about things you don't like about him, yet You've raised a bunch of points you don't like about Rels/that make him scummy to you, yet you still seem to townread him? As i said it doesn't make any sense to me that 2 scum voted nay. And Rels looks better than Shockeyy does. | ||
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On November 07 2015 22:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think Rels has a good chance of being scum though. I'd feel more comfortable with about anyone else but Shockeyy and probably sicklucker (though I'm not entirely convinced it's sicklucker over Xata) IT doesn't even matter if the team gets yay'd or not. It forces sicklucker to give actual reads (as now he is just hiding behind "i will nay everything with Xata/rayn in it") and we'll hear something new from Shockeyy unless he wants that team to go on a mission. Basically if i am on the mission two of the people i think are mafia have a bullshit reason to downvote it and continue saying nothing on other people. | ||
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On November 07 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If there is 1 scum in you/xata/sl, and I think there likely is, that means there's 2 scum in Rels/HtS/Shockeyy/Superbia/Kita and I have to select the exact 3 townies from the 5. That seems like a much harder task than selecting the player I have a strong townread on from the mission that failed. I know but the current concensus seems to be only to talk about people who are nominated atm. You can change your mind, but let's see what those people have to say about the team i proposed. | ||
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On November 07 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If there is 1 scum in you/xata/sl, and I think there likely is, that means there's 2 scum in Rels/HtS/Shockeyy/Superbia/Kita and I have to select the exact 3 townies from the 5. That seems like a much harder task than selecting the player I have a strong townread on from the mission that failed. Well you know i would never pick a team with 2 scum in it, nor yay-vote it. I doubt Xatalos would do that either. Based on above, if SL is scum, 2-scum team would not go through because me or Xatalos would downvote it, regardless of which one of us would be scum. So yeah, there is not gonna be 2 scum in the first mission. | ||
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