Half the Sky and NocturneMage should sign into the same game to break HtS's habit of drinking at EoD. Best way to handle her obsession.
On October 23 2015 17:44 Fidei86 wrote: Scott and NocturneMage? Moosy better fucking not sign up for this game, otherwise I'll start getting flashbacks.
......you know you want it. /in
Edit: I probably won't double bus if I roll Mafia though...probably...
On November 01 2015 23:25 Half the Sky wrote: Blazinghand in'ed for a newbie?
What temperature is it in hell again?
Me going /in isn't viable since I'm in Resistance plus with another certain individual already signed up there's going to be too much OGI floating for both of us to viably play the same game.
On November 16 2015 06:24 Eversince wrote: Also, how was my second paragraph irrelevant. Just be realistic, assume I wasn't entirely feeding the pigeons corn, and understand I was tryin' to appear townish that game. So I was picking at things that I would find questionable as town. You didn't have much of anything until D3? to justify her read on you. Why the 180 now?
lmao best quote the whole game.
"assume I wasn't entirely feeding the pigeons corn"
On November 17 2015 00:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm awake,
Anyway I probably will be mostly afk today so I'll try to be concise about my feelings.
1) I am super sure that Shining is town, based on meta and his posts give me a good feeling about them. They are pointed even if you disagree with what he is doing this is an excellent showing of his day one town play. Just a pity we won't see him again until wensday.
2) NocturneMage recent flurry of postings have giving me a good feeling, it felt like he was interacting with the thread as he was catching up instead of trying to be useless and lurking. He also instead of giving excuses is being proactive and trying to get thoughts out there. Good townlean, or at least not lynching today.
3) I'm not sure how people are so sure of VE so early? I probably don't get it because I never have played with him, but the town case on him seemed good and simplistic. So I suppose I will throw him into my town pile and then re-evaluate later.
4) I am not super confident in my eversince read, but I feel like she is town this game.
I also think ritoky is town, but i'm probably the least confident in this, and some of geripts postings have giving me good feelings but i'm not super sure about either.
On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote: So to summarize: ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF
Should add at least a bit of reasoning: All three are in dire need of contributing more and have exhibited a bit of suspicious actions. (MoosyDoosy buggering off without explaining his reads, Trefel explained a few posts above and FF being lurky as hell, with minimal contributions.)
Other thoughts: Eversince will probably just get a pass from me for D1 because of the surgeries along with some points for trying to be here and do stuff. I didn't mind Farah, but want to see more in the near future. Still a bit waffly (btw: for ppl that don't know me: I am The Waffleboy) on The Shining, but he is a town lean for me atm. Also waffly about Breshke. Kinda liked scotts entry, so townlean unless he just vanishes for the rest of the day. I know scott is a low volume poster and I have a bit of a problem with that, since it often leads to me feeling like I don't see a proper read progression.
NocturneMage, geript, ritoky and VE town.
Yes, good. Eversince looks town but it should become obvious come D2 anyway.
On November 17 2015 08:19 FarahBlackwing wrote: Yeah I don't understand why moosy even signs up for games? Damdred keeps telling me that hes a decent player but all he does is martyr and not play.
Anyway, I hate town cases and every single town case I've encountered so far has come from mafia. And at the point in the thread Ritoky put more effort into creating a town case rather than finding mafia. So I like Ritoky but i'm also not as in love with a town read on him that I would have otherwise.
On November 17 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: No Moos you are just an someone who refuses to play in any game I've signed up with you in. If you can't be assed to explain your one scum read to the thread when people are trying to evaluate you whats the point.
Farah is serious player and does not take gambits especially as noob as shown in previous game. This is extremely out of place. + Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is
##vote shining
Statistically it has to be time
When people point it out and call bS on his "boring thread" excuse, he backs out of it immediately by saying he's "gathering reads" while whining at thread. + Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote
Ok I have my read now.
Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi.
On November 17 2015 00:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm awake,
Anyway I probably will be mostly afk today so I'll try to be concise about my feelings.
1) I am super sure that Shining is town, based on meta and his posts give me a good feeling about them. They are pointed even if you disagree with what he is doing this is an excellent showing of his day one town play. Just a pity we won't see him again until wensday.
2) NocturneMage recent flurry of postings have giving me a good feeling, it felt like he was interacting with the thread as he was catching up instead of trying to be useless and lurking. He also instead of giving excuses is being proactive and trying to get thoughts out there. Good townlean, or at least not lynching today.
3) I'm not sure how people are so sure of VE so early? I probably don't get it because I never have played with him, but the town case on him seemed good and simplistic. So I suppose I will throw him into my town pile and then re-evaluate later.
4) I am not super confident in my eversince read, but I feel like she is town this game.
I also think ritoky is town, but i'm probably the least confident in this, and some of geripts postings have giving me good feelings but i'm not super sure about either.
And this post is very mechanical yes and has no emotion. Very much like Damdred yes. + Show Spoiler +
On November 17 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: No Moos you are just an someone who refuses to play in any game I've signed up with you in. If you can't be assed to explain your one scum read to the thread when people are trying to evaluate you whats the point.
On November 17 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote: Someone please tell me if the meta MoosyDoosy applied to FarahBlackwing is true or not.
MoosyDoosy, did you see FarahBlackwing's explanation of her townread of The Shining (explained previously)? I liked that read a lot.
Yes, that explanation was terrible. It was a wrongly applied meta read as there is differentiation between a**hole Shining and truly emotional Shining. It was free town read for no reason. She is Oprah of town reads. And saying that the read came from other people is excuse for read later on.
On November 17 2015 08:33 MoosyDoosy wrote: Yes now I lurk and get modkill later as I cannot vote for myself. Yes. Success.
nobody cares that you're upset. Why even sign up if you're going to martyr? Do you play like this on other sites?
Yes, it is fact I do not give shit if I am town. If you wish for games, just look on this site and I can supply games from other sites. I am going around sites attempting to roll Mafia and am unsuccessful so far. Please lynch me so I can sign up for other game to try to roll Mafia and not feel nagging obligation to this one.
On November 17 2015 08:43 NocturneMage wrote: Bloody hell will you people please stop using meta? Especially the people or on the people who haven't played more than a couple of games.
And I realise Damdred is her husband but how on earth is that Mafia indicative for her?
The second point of yours is something I questioned but the rest of your points are making my head spin.
1. Weird gambit early on that Farah would never make. 2. Using asshole move to explain "boring thread" and try to push under rug. Not exactly explaining it away. 3. Bad read on Shining using bad meta and using other people's meta as excuse for read to get out of bad situation. 4. Gives too many free town reads based on nothing at all. 5. Mechanical post that claims emotion when there is none. Is tone read.
On November 17 2015 08:44 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote
I'm going to completely ignore moose for the rest of this game but I believe that he is really being that much of a female dog about rolling town.
My only worry is that I think he's done this enough times that it might actually be a viable play for him as mafia.
And I simply refuse to lose a game because I fell for this.
I just can't see the town motivation for asking to be lynched and pushing an actual scumread. I can see how that fits mafia motivation, but those two things simply do not fit together for town.
Yes, this is correct. I am meta'ing as Mafia in order to seem townie. Yes.
On November 17 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: Breshke, take your original read on me and switch it. It has worked 100% of the time in the past. Yes, this is fact.
Have you played with sicklucker? I think you two would be friends.
Ritoky since VE isn't here and you town read him do you see an explanation for this
On November 17 2015 07:51 Breshke wrote: ahh Trefel I just know realized that post wasnt referring to his fecal vote because thats meet to say and argued.
VE can you explain this
On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing.
and this
On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back!
##Unvote
I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted.
The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you.
So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by.
Seems to be saying two different things
woah yes, sicklucker is bb. Me and sicklucker make very good town combo and he has been rolling town in games that he has been playing with me.
On November 17 2015 09:26 Fecalfeast wrote: Honestly Farah's filter is pretty nice to look at. I mean, the lynch list is kinda butt because I am leaning town on bresh and am fairly certain that I'm town but being wrong is allowed.
Is there a case on farah or anything that I'm blatantly missing?
On November 17 2015 09:45 disformation wrote: Ah bunch of stuffs. Not to thrilled right now.
MoosyDoosy tried something very similar to this in NSM13 and got modkilled as a result. He was town that game. As a result I am kinda hesitating to keep my vote on him, on the other hand I am super annoyed and want to policy lynch him for repeatedly pulling these things.
On November 17 2015 09:28 ritoky wrote: Particularly the suggestion that we should lynch him feels town. It takes a certain level of testicular fortitude to suggest lynching yourself as mafia that early in the game and no offense to disform, but from my experience he isn't that ballsy and forthright.
None taken you are quite right. Probably going to address a few points Farah and you made, grabbing something to eat first though.
Yes good post. I am Mafia or anti-town anyway so policy lynch is very good idea.
On November 17 2015 08:30 MoosyDoosy wrote: Yes I will explain.
Farah is serious player and does not take gambits especially as noob as shown in previous game. This is extremely out of place. + Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is
##vote shining
Statistically it has to be time
When people point it out and call bS on his "boring thread" excuse, he backs out of it immediately by saying he's "gathering reads" while whining at thread. + Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote
Ok I have my read now.
Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi.
On November 17 2015 00:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm awake,
Anyway I probably will be mostly afk today so I'll try to be concise about my feelings.
1) I am super sure that Shining is town, based on meta and his posts give me a good feeling about them. They are pointed even if you disagree with what he is doing this is an excellent showing of his day one town play. Just a pity we won't see him again until wensday.
2) NocturneMage recent flurry of postings have giving me a good feeling, it felt like he was interacting with the thread as he was catching up instead of trying to be useless and lurking. He also instead of giving excuses is being proactive and trying to get thoughts out there. Good townlean, or at least not lynching today.
3) I'm not sure how people are so sure of VE so early? I probably don't get it because I never have played with him, but the town case on him seemed good and simplistic. So I suppose I will throw him into my town pile and then re-evaluate later.
4) I am not super confident in my eversince read, but I feel like she is town this game.
I also think ritoky is town, but i'm probably the least confident in this, and some of geripts postings have giving me good feelings but i'm not super sure about either.
And this post is very mechanical yes and has no emotion. Very much like Damdred yes. + Show Spoiler +
On November 17 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: No Moos you are just an someone who refuses to play in any game I've signed up with you in. If you can't be assed to explain your one scum read to the thread when people are trying to evaluate you whats the point.
So frustrating
1. How you take this as anything other than a joke is beyond me.
2. I'm taking her unvote post as frustration that people took her shitposting too seriously and just wanted people to stfu. Doesn't seem mafia motivated.
3. Don't ask about her townreads or anything. She explained her eversince read the moment I asked about it.
On November 17 2015 10:01 Fecalfeast wrote: Hey ritoky you need a back rub or something? Hot chocolate? I have some espresso if that's more your thing.
Weirdly enough I am from Seattle and don't drink coffee. Tea is my thing, drinking a vanilla chai tea atm, back rub sound amazing.
Cool, cool. I can do a chai latte if you're into steamed milk or whatever.
What say you pop me up a notch or two on that list of yours, buddy.
DANGER DANGER WIFOM NUKE ALERT!
I am laughing so fucking hard at this irl, aight I will give you a town pass today just cuz of this. The chupazi in me believes you wouldn't be so obvious as mafia courting me for a hot date like this.
Yeah, I'm gonna try not to speculate as much on what I would do if I were mafia, I've been using that shit as an excuse a lot lately and it sucks.
On November 17 2015 11:49 Fecalfeast wrote: If I were scum and moose was town, I'd be laughing it up in scum qt right now about how, unless he gets vigged, we have a guaranteed mislynch in lylo.
Which means we should probably get rid of him sooner than later.
Yes this is true. Ask me a question, any one question.
On November 17 2015 11:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Why are you doing this?
Because I hate town. Next quesiton, yes.
Why, then, are you willing to tank your chances of actually surviving as mafia? If you turn out to be town this game, you will never be townread for actually playing the game. You will be forced into playing this exact meta as mafia.
I do intend to play the game, just not now. Humor me some more. You have some game related questions yes?
On November 17 2015 12:09 Fecalfeast wrote: Ok, sure. I will humour you until someone interesting comes along.
Why is it ok to use meta on a player who's played less than 2 full games(farah) but it's not ok to use meta on a player who plays on a different site(you)?
On November 17 2015 08:30 MoosyDoosy wrote: Yes I will explain.
Farah is serious player and does not take gambits especially as noob as shown in previous game. This is extremely out of place. + Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote: Hello. I think the proper use of our time is
##vote shining
Statistically it has to be time
When people point it out and call bS on his "boring thread" excuse, he backs out of it immediately by saying he's "gathering reads" while whining at thread. + Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote
Ok I have my read now.
Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi.
On November 17 2015 00:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm awake,
Anyway I probably will be mostly afk today so I'll try to be concise about my feelings.
1) I am super sure that Shining is town, based on meta and his posts give me a good feeling about them. They are pointed even if you disagree with what he is doing this is an excellent showing of his day one town play. Just a pity we won't see him again until wensday.
2) NocturneMage recent flurry of postings have giving me a good feeling, it felt like he was interacting with the thread as he was catching up instead of trying to be useless and lurking. He also instead of giving excuses is being proactive and trying to get thoughts out there. Good townlean, or at least not lynching today.
3) I'm not sure how people are so sure of VE so early? I probably don't get it because I never have played with him, but the town case on him seemed good and simplistic. So I suppose I will throw him into my town pile and then re-evaluate later.
4) I am not super confident in my eversince read, but I feel like she is town this game.
I also think ritoky is town, but i'm probably the least confident in this, and some of geripts postings have giving me good feelings but i'm not super sure about either.
And this post is very mechanical yes and has no emotion. Very much like Damdred yes. + Show Spoiler +
On November 17 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: No Moos you are just an someone who refuses to play in any game I've signed up with you in. If you can't be assed to explain your one scum read to the thread when people are trying to evaluate you whats the point.
So frustrating
1. How you take this as anything other than a joke is beyond me.
2. I'm taking her unvote post as frustration that people took her shitposting too seriously and just wanted people to stfu. Doesn't seem mafia motivated.
3. Don't ask about her townreads or anything. She explained her eversince read the moment I asked about it.
4. Irrelevant to her alignment.
Yes you are wrong.
Please elaborate on what I am specifically wrong about and why, without restating anything in your initial case.
1. You say that Farah meant her read on Shining to be a joke. But you can clearly see that it was actually rather serious. It was a method for Farah to obtain to obtain a read on Shining which she extrapolated on later on and had repercussions in terms with VisceraEyes. What's interesting is that Farah actually didn't claim outright that her thought was a joke and stop VE in his tracks, but remained passive and VE got into a big shitfight with Shining over Farah's read.
2. Again, her shitposting had a serious motivation behind it (or at least she claimed to) so it can't be just "shitposting get over it". I do agree it's an attempt to silence people about what she posted though, although I think it's an attempt to cover up what she did as there's no other reason otherwise.
3. She does try to provide some reasoning behind her townreads but they're terrible and are free town throws at people for little reason.
4. Saying you're frustrated when you're actually posting mechanically shows that you actually don't feel frustrated. The only reason why you wouldn't be frustrated by my strange play is if you're Mafia. What Farah wrote was more of a "I think town should write this so I'm going to" rather than a genuine reaction. Go re-read that post. It's mechanical.
On November 17 2015 12:14 Breshke wrote: Moosey do you understand that if you are town that your play is just distracting the rest of town and really hurts your chances of people listening to you. It also lets people just cop out and just talk about you being a shithead. For example
On November 17 2015 07:30 Trfel wrote: Breshke, any thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast?
What makes geript's ranking out of 7 post any different from a standard list post?
I have no problem with VE's read on FF seems to be a classic " he isn't doing stuff so lynch him".
IDK i said it was dumb but people normally do stuff out of 10 or a percent or like out of 5. He did 7 so someone could be like "Why the fuck is it out of 7" and he would need to explain which would bring more attention to his reads etc
Sorry, I didn't mean your thoughts on VisceraEyes' stance on Fecalfeast, I was looking for your thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast (two separate reads).
I don't really understand the whole 7 thing at all. You know that geript is a strong scum player, so why wouldn't he want attention to be paid to his reads? Is geript a player who hides in a corner as mafia?
On November 17 2015 07:35 Breshke wrote:
On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back!
##Unvote
I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted.
The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you.
So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by.
Trefel the bolded makes me fairly sure all the shining stuff was just pressure. Did he say otherwise?
On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing.
Yes, he did.
On November 17 2015 08:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On November 17 2015 00:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm awake,
Anyway I probably will be mostly afk today so I'll try to be concise about my feelings.
1) I am super sure that Shining is town, based on meta and his posts give me a good feeling about them. They are pointed even if you disagree with what he is doing this is an excellent showing of his day one town play. Just a pity we won't see him again until wensday.
2) NocturneMage recent flurry of postings have giving me a good feeling, it felt like he was interacting with the thread as he was catching up instead of trying to be useless and lurking. He also instead of giving excuses is being proactive and trying to get thoughts out there. Good townlean, or at least not lynching today.
3) I'm not sure how people are so sure of VE so early? I probably don't get it because I never have played with him, but the town case on him seemed good and simplistic. So I suppose I will throw him into my town pile and then re-evaluate later.
4) I am not super confident in my eversince read, but I feel like she is town this game.
I also think ritoky is town, but i'm probably the least confident in this, and some of geripts postings have giving me good feelings but i'm not super sure about either.
Posts like this make Farah Mafia.
And NM is town.
On November 17 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: No Moos you are just an someone who refuses to play in any game I've signed up with you in. If you can't be assed to explain your one scum read to the thread when people are trying to evaluate you whats the point.
So frustrating
His ass was town in the last game too and did this. Playing against wincon is not cool.
On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do.
And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks.
I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage.
See even if Moosy sucks and I decide not to play with him in the future if he's town - this should not get you down either. A depressed town is a failtown. Please do not! We waited so long for this game to start. Okay?
I'm at page 28 and would rather watch the Football game then read this.
Also, it's completely okay to try to use meta on me but just know that's not going to work well as my gameplay has changed drastically from what it once was.
Okay, what I’m trying to say is this. Farah made a really bad post and voted Shining. When asked for her reasoning behind it, she said that it was because “thread was boring” when the game just started. Realizing her bullshit excuse, she made up stuff about using the bad post as a way to get reads and that she got a read on Shining because of it.
As for the VE situation. VE sheeped Farah’s vote and explicitly said that he believed it because there was no reason for her to lie about Shining’s meta. I don’t think this was an attempt to “gather reads” as he pretty clearly says that he believes in what she says and even goes on to defend his reason for sheeping. Then he said he liked the reasoning behind her vote which implies that he thought her vote was serious. However, if Farah really was just shitposting as FecalFeast thinks, I think she would point it out to VE and say it was a joke. Instead she says nothing and lets Shining and VE fight it out for a bit.
What I’m trying to point out here is that Farah could not have been just “shitposting” as FecalFeast believes. She claimed that the vote was a serious way of getting reads and was a serious vote in and of itself. When VE sheeped her vote later, she was stuck and couldn’t back out of what she said which is why the thing between VE and Shining started.
So what she essentially did was make an uncharacteristic post, give a bullshit reason for it, realized that it was bad, made another bullshit excuse by saying it was a reaction test and that she got a read from it, then proceeded to watch tension between Shining and VE build as VE believed that Farah’s post was serious.
Frankly, I don’t see any townie motivation behind this which is why I’m scumreading her for it as she was deliberately trying to cover up her mistakes with more and more terrible reasons.
On November 17 2015 23:30 Breshke wrote: Also as NM said go look at mooseys fake rage in that game i think it is similar to here from memory. It is just like misplaced anger at absolutly nothing that sidetracks the game and gives him an excuse to post but not do anything.
This is false. If you go back I was clearly not angry. I was being a b**ch but that =/= anger. Also, it was in no way overboard. I was very sarcastic and made that very clear.
On November 18 2015 01:17 FarahBlackwing wrote: You deal with people like moos the same way every game, you cop check him or you shoot him and spend d1 on other players.
##Vote Scott31337
We can point to the other games moos has played and compare them to some degree and yes his anger here is somewhat close to what it was when he bussed his whole team. However he has a clear objective in this game which is to push me, he cares very little for his survivor and is pushing for himself to be lynched to an extent which probably will come to fruition.
While its not necessarily a good heuristic it does exist that mafia players (moos included) like to survive, especially someone like moos who likes playing as mafia. In his last mafia game from what I can understand he did show anger martyr but when pressure slowly left him he continued to try to survive and push his team mate, and at some points just leaving the thread. Here whats his plan exactly? To push me care very little for his survival and fuck off. It seems more like a town not really caring that he rolled town rather than a mafia who wants to survive the day phase.
As to my vote on scott, I think hes quite possibly the best choice today. I do not have a huge lead as to who I think is the scummiest but i'm willing to listen to other cases currently but between scott and moos I would pick scott.
Absolutely false. I'm back and willing to participate lmao. But a post like this makes you scum as well.
So... uh... I have no clue what he is trying to achieve. Posting to be posting? He certainly isn't pushing his suspect which still seems to be trfel? Like the only redeeming thing is:
On November 17 2015 14:42 scott31337 wrote: I'll be up in about 12 hours and bitch that I'm not online and posting. Well suck it I was busy helping out my cousin that I just found out had MS.
Which would be a super hard dick move to fake, imo.
Posts like these are super weak and just serve to stir up lynch sentiment on someone else without actually committing to anything. Scum ping.
On November 18 2015 02:00 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote disinformation
Actually this might be the right way to go today, we can discuss scott/moos during he night and see how we want our vig/cop to act in that regard.
But disinformation isn't committing to anything, hes keeping his options open to see which way the wind is going to blow so that he can conceivably go with thread sentiment. His last two posts have set him up so that he can sheep either side as he has doubts about both. Its interesting to say the least.
I am but a leaf in the wind. And my nick is disformation without in. I am not 100% sure how the automated vote counting tool handles votes, so you might want to remedy that.
Okay, okay. I will try to come up with an conclusion about MoosyDoosy vs. Scott31337. Let me finish MoosyDoosy's filter first. As you see I have quite a hard time deciding which one I dislike more as I am not 100% on one of them. Since this is a game of mafia and I am town I can't be 100% on anyone... which causes me some distress. I don't like making the wrong choices and that is why I appear as being waffly or keeping my options open. So again sry for my bad play town, but please bear with me. I understand that you want to lynch me for that, but I am town.
Hello? What is with this post? You're explaining what you think town should feel and you're saying you feel that way?
On November 18 2015 02:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Yes I could very well be wrong and he did have some towny posts. I'm just not sure if I 100% want to lynch between scott and moos.
Breshke might be a good alternative, reading geripts post now. But for now ##Unvote
On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote: A few things. Moosey 5.5/7--I think Moosy might be town. It's kinda impossible to tell, but I liked his Farah read. I don't think the read is good, but Moosy tends (as town) to be staunch on some really out there read that no one else sees. Yes, he does the same thing as scum. Yes, IMO he'll do anything he'd do as town as scum including acting like an ass. I don't have a super strong read on him that I can make a town case on him, but I feel about as strong about the read on him as I did in the last game (where I was tracker and was trying to decouple him and scumdred). The thing that really makes me think he's town isn't just his outburst around the Farah thing; more importantly it's how he comes back to it later on. The bounce back on was really, really towny I think. It's this, "I want to fuck people over and I don't want to fuck people over" dissonance that I don't think he can really fake as mafia.
Scott 4.5/7--He's still null-ish. This seems kinda funny, but I don't really get the sense that anyone is trying to shield or direct votes towards him. Trfel iirc was the first to sorta toss a vote his way and it didn't seem bussy for cred or protecty for Moosy. It feels a bit TvT on the lynch and his catching up post about ~p30 (or around that area) kinda had similar thoughts to where I thought I was when I was catching up.
Shining 5.5/7--I could be wrong on him; it's not just the fact that he's quoting in every post or thereabouts. He's no over explainy which he does as mafia. He's not really disconnected from the thread. He's had a good thought or two. Meta fits which is enough for now.
##Vote: Breshke--Breshke has 2 posts that I semi-like. The problem being that they say things that are easy to say and don't really add anything. The problem that I have with Breshke is that when he's town his posts bounce off the thread and interact with the thread. By this, I don't mean Breshke asks things to people and stuff. Rather, he'll see a thought or something in the thread that spurns a new thought, a new direction. It's as if he reads something and it gets put together with something else to form something slightly old mixed with something new. There's also the fact that in general, he's asking far more isolated questions of people than I remember him doing; especially when he drops them as if he doesn't care about them.
So... Moosy: Agree that his bounce back was rather townish. Scott: I still don't like his filter very much. But my gut doesn't agree with lynching him... and you are right, this thread is awfully quiet. Also in the game we lynched Scott D1 he basically just gave up and rolled over. This time he is at least trying to catch up... The Shining: I think I posted before that I am okay with giving him one Day, but he has to put in a lot of work D2.
Hmm... Breshke... tbh he is a bit under the radar for me... filter diving him now.
Also, disformation's read on me is bad because he should think I'm Mafia. I literally switched my read on him AGAIN and he doesn't pick up on it and instead focuses on defending himself. Super self consciousness to this extent is something that only Mafia would worry about as they're psychologically always on the defensive.
On November 18 2015 10:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Where was this yesterday moose?
I've got bad feelings about disform too now that I read through the rest of the day that I missed. I also think the emphasis on getting PRs to check you is a little odd from farah, she says to let cop/vig take care of moose but we have no idea if the setup is doc/vet and we will spend another day talking about moose which is very productive for scum if moose is town.
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Don't WIFOM roles as it becomes so confusing for everyone except scum but yes. disformation is scum.
I will also explain why Farah is scum after she responds to my question.
I was not around yesterday because it is so much better to read EoD1 from the view of an outside observer to easily pick out irregularities and spot out the obvious scum rather than panic in thread and have a colored read afterwards. Also because if I survive EoD1, it most of the times means town is at least semi-willing to put up with my bullshit which means I have to give my unconditional all in to the game from here on out.
On November 18 2015 12:39 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't see the significance of making farah copy and paste something from her filter when you apparently already know it's there.
Could you explain that to me?
I want to hear her reasoning again which is bad and she knows it. Also because the way she formed that reasoning is so bad...
But one moment. I'm typing something up on disformation. I'll do Farah afterwards if she still doesn't answer by then in which case she's just showing that she's Mafia through her reluctance to explain a simple thing.
Unfortunately, I don't have as much time to put into this game as I had in the past so I'll have to post this now in the >0.001% chance that I'm killed during night as I don't think I'll be able to make it back before EoN1 (End of Night 1). So here's my stuff on disformation, but note that I'd strongly like to lynch FarahBlackwing over disformation.
1. disformation is way too self conscious. I realize that this can be interpreted as a newbie town trait, but the extent to which disformation keeps tabs on his appearance and of his own meta is super overboard for even a newbie. Just taking a look at EoD1 shows this self consciousness. + Show Spoiler +
On November 18 2015 01:56 FarahBlackwing wrote: This is a hard game.
And i'm still not sure what to make of disinformation he keeps pointing out these scummy things people do but then ends up with something that could make them town. And really won't commit to a read either way this close to lynch, I almost would rather lynch him at this point maybe.
welcome to disformation town play. I am calling myself waffleboy for a reason. A pity tunneltock is hosting this and not playing. We make a great team. xD
Still finishing up on MoosyDoosy. Probably The Shining and Farah after that.
The thing is: I can see a bunch of ppl getting like 1 free day (Eversince, The Shining, MoosyDoosy, scott), depending on the lynch of course and that worries me a bit because we have huge potential for maffay just coasting by.
On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I have rethought my position on breshke.
##Vote Breshke
There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos.
In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos.
When did breshke eliminate FF as a target? Last mention of his read on FF is imo:
On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote:
On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote: Breshke, who are your scumreads right now?
If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine.
It's mostly less active people.
Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry.
FF still being lazy so would lynch.
Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage.
I also am waiting for VE to be around again.
Which FF answered the next page... No comment from Breshke...
Shit. I really need to get into the habit of drawing conclusions. Was skimming Breshke's filter and didn't get too suspicious. Taking a closer look at stuff like this raises some red flags. Will look more closely, if I find more of this I might find it in me to vote for him. I have played 1-2 games with breshke but I found him to be rather unmemorable, which probably means I didn't have enough interactions with him, which will make it hard for me to compare this to his normal game.
Now the very interesting thing about the people that disformation listed in the quotes (Eversince, Shining, Moosy, scott), is that I think they're all town and scott was confirmed as town. This makes me interpret disformation's slight push onto these people as a way to divert attention away from others and from himself. The VERY interesting thing is how disformation forms these slight pushes. He always makes posts that only lean and never push, creating sentiment but never putting him directly under anyone's crosshairs.
2. disformation also refused to take any stances for EoD1. First he votes for Shining on the basis of "pressure". + Show Spoiler +
On November 17 2015 20:29 disformation wrote: The lack ofproper trains like 8 hours b4 deadline also worries me.
shining wasnt here in ages... maybe setting him on blast will change this...
On November 17 2015 22:03 disformation wrote: wow. dealine in 7hours and town has no clue to lynch. i wish i was good at this game and had a solid scum read...
defaulting to moosy for now. will try to figure out something when i am back on a pc.
On November 17 2015 12:14 Breshke wrote: Moosey do you understand that if you are town that your play is just distracting the rest of town and really hurts your chances of people listening to you. It also lets people just cop out and just talk about you being a shithead. For example
On November 17 2015 11:19 scott31337 wrote:
On November 17 2015 07:38 Trfel wrote:
On November 17 2015 07:33 Breshke wrote:
On November 17 2015 07:30 Trfel wrote: Breshke, any thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast?
What makes geript's ranking out of 7 post any different from a standard list post?
I have no problem with VE's read on FF seems to be a classic " he isn't doing stuff so lynch him".
IDK i said it was dumb but people normally do stuff out of 10 or a percent or like out of 5. He did 7 so someone could be like "Why the fuck is it out of 7" and he would need to explain which would bring more attention to his reads etc
Sorry, I didn't mean your thoughts on VisceraEyes' stance on Fecalfeast, I was looking for your thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast (two separate reads).
I don't really understand the whole 7 thing at all. You know that geript is a strong scum player, so why wouldn't he want attention to be paid to his reads? Is geript a player who hides in a corner as mafia?
On November 17 2015 07:35 Breshke wrote:
On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back!
##Unvote
I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted.
The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you.
So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by.
Trefel the bolded makes me fairly sure all the shining stuff was just pressure. Did he say otherwise?
On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing.
Yes, he did.
On November 17 2015 08:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On November 17 2015 00:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm awake,
Anyway I probably will be mostly afk today so I'll try to be concise about my feelings.
1) I am super sure that Shining is town, based on meta and his posts give me a good feeling about them. They are pointed even if you disagree with what he is doing this is an excellent showing of his day one town play. Just a pity we won't see him again until wensday.
2) NocturneMage recent flurry of postings have giving me a good feeling, it felt like he was interacting with the thread as he was catching up instead of trying to be useless and lurking. He also instead of giving excuses is being proactive and trying to get thoughts out there. Good townlean, or at least not lynching today.
3) I'm not sure how people are so sure of VE so early? I probably don't get it because I never have played with him, but the town case on him seemed good and simplistic. So I suppose I will throw him into my town pile and then re-evaluate later.
4) I am not super confident in my eversince read, but I feel like she is town this game.
I also think ritoky is town, but i'm probably the least confident in this, and some of geripts postings have giving me good feelings but i'm not super sure about either.
Posts like this make Farah Mafia.
And NM is town.
On November 17 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: No Moos you are just an someone who refuses to play in any game I've signed up with you in. If you can't be assed to explain your one scum read to the thread when people are trying to evaluate you whats the point.
So frustrating
His ass was town in the last game too and did this. Playing against wincon is not cool.
On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do.
And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks.
I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage.
See even if Moosy sucks and I decide not to play with him in the future if he's town - this should not get you down either. A depressed town is a failtown. Please do not! We waited so long for this game to start. Okay?
I'm at page 28 and would rather watch the Football game then read this.
##Unvote
I may be back later, or on tomorrow.
Great post for mafia to make.
Also despite having some interactions with his scum reads, he never re-evaluates his reads. Only thing he does is slightly adjusting his lynch order.
On November 17 2015 23:30 Breshke wrote: Also as NM said go look at mooseys fake rage in that game i think it is similar to here from memory. It is just like misplaced anger at absolutly nothing that sidetracks the game and gives him an excuse to post but not do anything.
I am also not sure where his town reads are at... he had a town lean on eversince very early and put town near the names of ritoky and geript but adds some doubt since these two are good players and could pull this as mafia.
So he has like 0 genuine town reads to three ppl he would lynch. Not feeling a town agenda here...
On November 18 2015 04:51 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm like 8 pages behind yolo vote
*sigh* well... we need to consolidate and the scott filter is still bad. ##unvote ##vote Scott31337
Interesting how it's pretty clear that scott is going to be lynched at this point, but disformation is reluctant to lynch scott all of a sudden out of all the people he's been wanting to lynch.
3. disformation's slight pushes onto people are all based on thread sentiment. When people were voting my annoying butt, disformation happily joined in at that time. Then geript posted his defense of me and only a few posts later disformation decides that all of a sudden I'm likely to be town: + Show Spoiler +
On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote: A few things. Moosey 5.5/7--I think Moosy might be town. It's kinda impossible to tell, but I liked his Farah read. I don't think the read is good, but Moosy tends (as town) to be staunch on some really out there read that no one else sees. Yes, he does the same thing as scum. Yes, IMO he'll do anything he'd do as town as scum including acting like an ass. I don't have a super strong read on him that I can make a town case on him, but I feel about as strong about the read on him as I did in the last game (where I was tracker and was trying to decouple him and scumdred). The thing that really makes me think he's town isn't just his outburst around the Farah thing; more importantly it's how he comes back to it later on. The bounce back on was really, really towny I think. It's this, "I want to fuck people over and I don't want to fuck people over" dissonance that I don't think he can really fake as mafia.
Scott 4.5/7--He's still null-ish. This seems kinda funny, but I don't really get the sense that anyone is trying to shield or direct votes towards him. Trfel iirc was the first to sorta toss a vote his way and it didn't seem bussy for cred or protecty for Moosy. It feels a bit TvT on the lynch and his catching up post about ~p30 (or around that area) kinda had similar thoughts to where I thought I was when I was catching up.
Shining 5.5/7--I could be wrong on him; it's not just the fact that he's quoting in every post or thereabouts. He's no over explainy which he does as mafia. He's not really disconnected from the thread. He's had a good thought or two. Meta fits which is enough for now.
##Vote: Breshke--Breshke has 2 posts that I semi-like. The problem being that they say things that are easy to say and don't really add anything. The problem that I have with Breshke is that when he's town his posts bounce off the thread and interact with the thread. By this, I don't mean Breshke asks things to people and stuff. Rather, he'll see a thought or something in the thread that spurns a new thought, a new direction. It's as if he reads something and it gets put together with something else to form something slightly old mixed with something new. There's also the fact that in general, he's asking far more isolated questions of people than I remember him doing; especially when he drops them as if he doesn't care about them.
So... Moosy: Agree that his bounce back was rather townish. Scott: I still don't like his filter very much. But my gut doesn't agree with lynching him... and you are right, this thread is awfully quiet. Also in the game we lynched Scott D1 he basically just gave up and rolled over. This time he is at least trying to catch up... The Shining: I think I posted before that I am okay with giving him one Day, but he has to put in a lot of work D2.
Hmm... Breshke... tbh he is a bit under the radar for me... filter diving him now.
Then he goes on to support geript's push onto Breshke in this series of posts. + Show Spoiler +
On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote: A few things. Moosey 5.5/7--I think Moosy might be town. It's kinda impossible to tell, but I liked his Farah read. I don't think the read is good, but Moosy tends (as town) to be staunch on some really out there read that no one else sees. Yes, he does the same thing as scum. Yes, IMO he'll do anything he'd do as town as scum including acting like an ass. I don't have a super strong read on him that I can make a town case on him, but I feel about as strong about the read on him as I did in the last game (where I was tracker and was trying to decouple him and scumdred). The thing that really makes me think he's town isn't just his outburst around the Farah thing; more importantly it's how he comes back to it later on. The bounce back on was really, really towny I think. It's this, "I want to fuck people over and I don't want to fuck people over" dissonance that I don't think he can really fake as mafia.
Scott 4.5/7--He's still null-ish. This seems kinda funny, but I don't really get the sense that anyone is trying to shield or direct votes towards him. Trfel iirc was the first to sorta toss a vote his way and it didn't seem bussy for cred or protecty for Moosy. It feels a bit TvT on the lynch and his catching up post about ~p30 (or around that area) kinda had similar thoughts to where I thought I was when I was catching up.
Shining 5.5/7--I could be wrong on him; it's not just the fact that he's quoting in every post or thereabouts. He's no over explainy which he does as mafia. He's not really disconnected from the thread. He's had a good thought or two. Meta fits which is enough for now.
##Vote: Breshke--Breshke has 2 posts that I semi-like. The problem being that they say things that are easy to say and don't really add anything. The problem that I have with Breshke is that when he's town his posts bounce off the thread and interact with the thread. By this, I don't mean Breshke asks things to people and stuff. Rather, he'll see a thought or something in the thread that spurns a new thought, a new direction. It's as if he reads something and it gets put together with something else to form something slightly old mixed with something new. There's also the fact that in general, he's asking far more isolated questions of people than I remember him doing; especially when he drops them as if he doesn't care about them.
So... Moosy: Agree that his bounce back was rather townish. Scott: I still don't like his filter very much. But my gut doesn't agree with lynching him... and you are right, this thread is awfully quiet. Also in the game we lynched Scott D1 he basically just gave up and rolled over. This time he is at least trying to catch up... The Shining: I think I posted before that I am okay with giving him one Day, but he has to put in a lot of work D2.
Hmm... Breshke... tbh he is a bit under the radar for me... filter diving him now.
On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I have rethought my position on breshke.
##Vote Breshke
There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos.
In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos.
When did breshke eliminate FF as a target? Last mention of his read on FF is imo:
On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote: Breshke, who are your scumreads right now?
If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine.
It's mostly less active people.
Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry.
FF still being lazy so would lynch.
Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage.
On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I have rethought my position on breshke.
##Vote Breshke
There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos.
In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos.
When did breshke eliminate FF as a target? Last mention of his read on FF is imo:
On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote:
On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote: Breshke, who are your scumreads right now?
If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine.
It's mostly less active people.
Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry.
FF still being lazy so would lynch.
Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage.
I also am waiting for VE to be around again.
Which FF answered the next page... No comment from Breshke...
On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I have rethought my position on breshke.
##Vote Breshke
There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos.
In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos.
When did breshke eliminate FF as a target? Last mention of his read on FF is imo:
On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote:
On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote: Breshke, who are your scumreads right now?
If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine.
It's mostly less active people.
Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry.
FF still being lazy so would lynch.
Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage.
I also am waiting for VE to be around again.
Which FF answered the next page... No comment from Breshke...
Shit. I really need to get into the habit of drawing conclusions. Was skimming Breshke's filter and didn't get too suspicious. Taking a closer look at stuff like this raises some red flags. Will look more closely, if I find more of this I might find it in me to vote for him. I have played 1-2 games with breshke but I found him to be rather unmemorable, which probably means I didn't have enough interactions with him, which will make it hard for me to compare this to his normal game.
On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I have rethought my position on breshke.
##Vote Breshke
There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos.
In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos.
When did breshke eliminate FF as a target? Last mention of his read on FF is imo:
On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote:
On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote: Breshke, who are your scumreads right now?
If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine.
It's mostly less active people.
Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry.
FF still being lazy so would lynch.
Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage.
I also am waiting for VE to be around again.
Which FF answered the next page... No comment from Breshke...
Shit. I really need to get into the habit of drawing conclusions. Was skimming Breshke's filter and didn't get too suspicious. Taking a closer look at stuff like this raises some red flags. Will look more closely, if I find more of this I might find it in me to vote for him. I have played 1-2 games with breshke but I found him to be rather unmemorable, which probably means I didn't have enough interactions with him, which will make it hard for me to compare this to his normal game.
To spell it out: Breshke now on the lower end of null, will look at his filter some more.
On November 18 2015 03:23 disformation wrote: Hmm...
On November 17 2015 12:14 Breshke wrote: Moosey do you understand that if you are town that your play is just distracting the rest of town and really hurts your chances of people listening to you. It also lets people just cop out and just talk about you being a shithead. For example
On November 17 2015 11:19 scott31337 wrote:
On November 17 2015 07:38 Trfel wrote:
On November 17 2015 07:33 Breshke wrote:
On November 17 2015 07:30 Trfel wrote: Breshke, any thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast?
What makes geript's ranking out of 7 post any different from a standard list post?
I have no problem with VE's read on FF seems to be a classic " he isn't doing stuff so lynch him".
IDK i said it was dumb but people normally do stuff out of 10 or a percent or like out of 5. He did 7 so someone could be like "Why the fuck is it out of 7" and he would need to explain which would bring more attention to his reads etc
Sorry, I didn't mean your thoughts on VisceraEyes' stance on Fecalfeast, I was looking for your thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast (two separate reads).
I don't really understand the whole 7 thing at all. You know that geript is a strong scum player, so why wouldn't he want attention to be paid to his reads? Is geript a player who hides in a corner as mafia?
On November 17 2015 07:35 Breshke wrote:
On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back!
##Unvote
I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted.
The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you.
So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by.
Trefel the bolded makes me fairly sure all the shining stuff was just pressure. Did he say otherwise?
On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing.
Yes, he did.
On November 17 2015 08:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On November 17 2015 00:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm awake,
Anyway I probably will be mostly afk today so I'll try to be concise about my feelings.
1) I am super sure that Shining is town, based on meta and his posts give me a good feeling about them. They are pointed even if you disagree with what he is doing this is an excellent showing of his day one town play. Just a pity we won't see him again until wensday.
2) NocturneMage recent flurry of postings have giving me a good feeling, it felt like he was interacting with the thread as he was catching up instead of trying to be useless and lurking. He also instead of giving excuses is being proactive and trying to get thoughts out there. Good townlean, or at least not lynching today.
3) I'm not sure how people are so sure of VE so early? I probably don't get it because I never have played with him, but the town case on him seemed good and simplistic. So I suppose I will throw him into my town pile and then re-evaluate later.
4) I am not super confident in my eversince read, but I feel like she is town this game.
I also think ritoky is town, but i'm probably the least confident in this, and some of geripts postings have giving me good feelings but i'm not super sure about either.
Posts like this make Farah Mafia.
And NM is town.
On November 17 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: No Moos you are just an someone who refuses to play in any game I've signed up with you in. If you can't be assed to explain your one scum read to the thread when people are trying to evaluate you whats the point.
So frustrating
His ass was town in the last game too and did this. Playing against wincon is not cool.
On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do.
And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks.
I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage.
See even if Moosy sucks and I decide not to play with him in the future if he's town - this should not get you down either. A depressed town is a failtown. Please do not! We waited so long for this game to start. Okay?
I'm at page 28 and would rather watch the Football game then read this.
##Unvote
I may be back later, or on tomorrow.
Great post for mafia to make.
Also despite having some interactions with his scum reads, he never re-evaluates his reads. Only thing he does is slightly adjusting his lynch order.
On November 17 2015 23:30 Breshke wrote: Also as NM said go look at mooseys fake rage in that game i think it is similar to here from memory. It is just like misplaced anger at absolutly nothing that sidetracks the game and gives him an excuse to post but not do anything.
I am also not sure where his town reads are at... he had a town lean on eversince very early and put town near the names of ritoky and geript but adds some doubt since these two are good players and could pull this as mafia.
So he has like 0 genuine town reads to three ppl he would lynch. Not feeling a town agenda here...
On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I have rethought my position on breshke.
##Vote Breshke
There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos.
In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos.
On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I have rethought my position on breshke.
##Vote Breshke
There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos.
In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos.
When did breshke eliminate FF as a target? Last mention of his read on FF is imo:
On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote:
On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote: Breshke, who are your scumreads right now?
If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine.
It's mostly less active people.
Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry.
FF still being lazy so would lynch.
Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage.
I also am waiting for VE to be around again.
Which FF answered the next page... No comment from Breshke...
On November 18 2015 03:23 disformation wrote: Hmm...
On November 17 2015 12:14 Breshke wrote: Moosey do you understand that if you are town that your play is just distracting the rest of town and really hurts your chances of people listening to you. It also lets people just cop out and just talk about you being a shithead. For example
On November 17 2015 11:19 scott31337 wrote:
On November 17 2015 07:38 Trfel wrote:
On November 17 2015 07:33 Breshke wrote:
On November 17 2015 07:30 Trfel wrote: Breshke, any thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast?
What makes geript's ranking out of 7 post any different from a standard list post?
I have no problem with VE's read on FF seems to be a classic " he isn't doing stuff so lynch him".
IDK i said it was dumb but people normally do stuff out of 10 or a percent or like out of 5. He did 7 so someone could be like "Why the fuck is it out of 7" and he would need to explain which would bring more attention to his reads etc
Sorry, I didn't mean your thoughts on VisceraEyes' stance on Fecalfeast, I was looking for your thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast (two separate reads).
I don't really understand the whole 7 thing at all. You know that geript is a strong scum player, so why wouldn't he want attention to be paid to his reads? Is geript a player who hides in a corner as mafia?
On November 17 2015 07:35 Breshke wrote:
On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back!
##Unvote
I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted.
The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you.
So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by.
Trefel the bolded makes me fairly sure all the shining stuff was just pressure. Did he say otherwise?
On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing.
Yes, he did.
On November 17 2015 08:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On November 17 2015 00:05 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm awake,
Anyway I probably will be mostly afk today so I'll try to be concise about my feelings.
1) I am super sure that Shining is town, based on meta and his posts give me a good feeling about them. They are pointed even if you disagree with what he is doing this is an excellent showing of his day one town play. Just a pity we won't see him again until wensday.
2) NocturneMage recent flurry of postings have giving me a good feeling, it felt like he was interacting with the thread as he was catching up instead of trying to be useless and lurking. He also instead of giving excuses is being proactive and trying to get thoughts out there. Good townlean, or at least not lynching today.
3) I'm not sure how people are so sure of VE so early? I probably don't get it because I never have played with him, but the town case on him seemed good and simplistic. So I suppose I will throw him into my town pile and then re-evaluate later.
4) I am not super confident in my eversince read, but I feel like she is town this game.
I also think ritoky is town, but i'm probably the least confident in this, and some of geripts postings have giving me good feelings but i'm not super sure about either.
Posts like this make Farah Mafia.
And NM is town.
On November 17 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: No Moos you are just an someone who refuses to play in any game I've signed up with you in. If you can't be assed to explain your one scum read to the thread when people are trying to evaluate you whats the point.
So frustrating
His ass was town in the last game too and did this. Playing against wincon is not cool.
On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do.
And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks.
I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage.
See even if Moosy sucks and I decide not to play with him in the future if he's town - this should not get you down either. A depressed town is a failtown. Please do not! We waited so long for this game to start. Okay?
I'm at page 28 and would rather watch the Football game then read this.
##Unvote
I may be back later, or on tomorrow.
Great post for mafia to make.
Also despite having some interactions with his scum reads, he never re-evaluates his reads. Only thing he does is slightly adjusting his lynch order.
On November 17 2015 12:17 Breshke wrote: Also scott has moved up in my lynch list because of that post
And he justifies his reason for the MD vote with something someoneelse came up with:
On November 17 2015 23:30 Breshke wrote: Also as NM said go look at mooseys fake rage in that game i think it is similar to here from memory. It is just like misplaced anger at absolutly nothing that sidetracks the game and gives him an excuse to post but not do anything.
I am also not sure where his town reads are at... he had a town lean on eversince very early and put town near the names of ritoky and geript but adds some doubt since these two are good players and could pull this as mafia.
So he has like 0 genuine town reads to three ppl he would lynch. Not feeling a town agenda here...
##unvote ##vote Breshke
Added my stuff on Breshke.
There's the association with Farah where he seems very comfortable to associate himself with her when she's just a "null read".
I can add the part where he's sucking up to geript the whole time he's doing this but I feel this is more NAI. It's just that I have severe trauma from my first ever game of Mafia which places me on the alert whenever I feel the presence of pocketing/sucking up. + Show Spoiler +
On November 18 2015 03:40 geript wrote: I had time to read filters and compare to notes.
Fair enough. I tried keeping notes on important/sketchy/whatever posts in my first two games, but found that these lists take too much time to keep up to date and end up huge so they don't actually help but steal time... Also announcing that you are going to make lists/spreadsheets and not delivering might bite one in the ass. xD Or do you have notes on the metas of different players? That would be interesting. Maybe I just need to figure out some clever formatting for such lists, or make them easier to maintain in some way... kinda ranting now, sry.
On November 18 2015 03:47 geript wrote: I have a few more minutes before I start work. But shits a bit crazy with 3-3-lots of solo. We need to consolidate on someone. Preferably Breshke but consolidation is key.
This will probably end with a wild flailing about and switcheroo game like 30mins - 15mins to the deadline I fear. Nobody seems to be here. -.-
On November 18 2015 03:49 geript wrote: When I find a meta read on people I like and is accurate I keep it for later. Like Trfel looking bad early on. I just track those useful heuristics for later games.
Will try and remember this for when I am able to identify accurate meta reads.
4. coolio, now for the fun part. disformation's weird af reads on me. Ahhh, the beauty of playing like a b**ch D1 in order to get all the reads. disformation makes a very good observation that I switched my read on him out of nowhere. + Show Spoiler +
On November 17 2015 12:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: @disformation, if you had to say, where would you place Farah at?
- Didn't mind the entry. - Not sold on the meta thing on shining. Since my attempts on research weren't conclusive on that. - Didn't like her saying she will be mostly afk today, but then she went ahead and posted a bit, so that is not that much concern. - Did post her town and scum/null reads and explained them, nothing stands out on that front. - Did like 0 pushing on her scum/null reads though. - So other than the eversince and the shining reads nothing original I guess.
Conclusion: I am pretty null here. Like nothing stands out a lot for me personally. Maybe the conviction in her The Shining read. Don't want to lynch her though.
On November 18 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: Good bye again. disformation and FarahBlackwing are scum. I want them to answer these questions.
On November 18 2015 08:05 MoosyDoosy wrote: @FarahBlackwing, explain your town read on me pre-lynch.
@disformation, give reads on me, Farah, geript, and Trfel. With explanation.
@mods, I'm happy to see that I voted for myself this game.
*sigh* Keeping this short since my spirits are kinda low and I am getting tired.
MoosyDoosy You are like 66% town and 100% annoying. Your tone after your tantrum shifted towards a more reasonable one, which I attributed with town. Currently you are looking at EoD stuff and re-evaluation your reads, which is town, too. I think I posted a few thoughts on you during the EoD time or leading up to it. To lazy to look for them right now. Never finished that filter dive though, cause I got distracted by the thread.
On November 17 2015 20:29 disformation wrote: The lack ofproper trains like 8 hours b4 deadline also worries me.
shining wasnt here in ages... maybe setting him on blast will change this...
##unvote ##vote The Shining
voting on phone sucks
WOAH WOAH SOMEONE GO BACK AND CHECK THIS
No idea what is supposed to be wrong/right/whatever here. Could you elaborate?
Trfel Thought he was town before all the EoD stuff happened. Need to look at it again and re-evaluate. Not sure if I'll be able to get that done before EoN though.
Farah Null. Again wasn't able to finish the filter dive cause stuff kept happening.
geript b4 EoD I would have said 90% town with a 10% chance of being a mafia mastermind. To me he looks genuinely pissed that we didn't make the Breshke lynch happen. So would prolly upgrade to 99% town or something. Don't take the exact values for more than they are though.
Instead, he uses emotion in order to try and appeal to me. Psychologically, Mafia is always on the defensive as they naturally feel the need to defend themselves when not necessary.
Overall, I strongly feel that these points show that disformation is Mafia. He is way too self conscious, only sheeps thread sentiment, flipped his vote and refused to take hard stances, and his read on me makes no sense.
On November 18 2015 02:00 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote disinformation
Actually this might be the right way to go today, we can discuss scott/moos during he night and see how we want our vig/cop to act in that regard.
But disinformation isn't committing to anything, hes keeping his options open to see which way the wind is going to blow so that he can conceivably go with thread sentiment. His last two posts have set him up so that he can sheep either side as he has doubts about both. Its interesting to say the least.
What do you think of this then moosey?
I have some thoughts but want to see what you say first
wow congrats for pulling up something in my case that I just accidentally lost! go to filter and look at the very next post after that.
Well I was working on a Farah case but my browser crashed when I tried to preview my long ass post with about 30 tabs open and after refusing to restart my computer for almost 3 months. Whatever. This will be a somewhat shorter version but it’ll be all the more concise because of it.
1. First things first. Weird gambit at the start of the game Yes I am bringing this up again. If we look at Farah’s game prior to this one, she is definitely not the sort of player to be making strange gambits and instead highly criticized my own play from last game for acting strange and essentially anti-town (much like what I did here but slightly worse). Seeing this, it immediately struck me as different from her usual play. However, this can be explained in and of itself as beginning of Day, etc, etc. BUT what comes after is her very weird explanation for her strange play. + Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2015 05:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Because game was boring and at least tried to generate some content. I'll pressure until I get a read one way or another. And then I shall go forward accordingly
Farah is stating that she was being serious about her post in order to draw reactions. As a result, the excuse of D1 can’t be used here. However, her post was exactly the third post in the thread, so how could she have thought that the thread was boring? Obviously there would be no content when the game JUST started. What’s stranger after this is how she immediately backs out of her situation with the following posts: + Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##unvote
Ok I have my read now.
Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi.
Farah is attempting to get out of the situation by saying she got her read while simultaneously flinging mud at everyone pushing on her. This is a typical way to try and discredit someone to make them feel like shit in order to get them off of your back.
Now, let’s say we listen to what Farah said about taking the initiative and trying to make the game productive and leaping right in. However, you have to ask the following question. Would someone who took the “initiative” and went ahead to try and push the game forwards say that they “don’t care” about the game? + Show Spoiler +
On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do.
And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks.
I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage.
Farah tried to portray herself as someone that cared about the game and pushed it forwards by testing reactions. But this contradicts what she says later about not caring about the game! She is trying to put on two acts but fails to do so.
2. Gives a ton of advice on roles but then says their use is bad. Farah gives a TON of advice on how roles should be used and is essentially the first and main person in the thread to advocate for a cop/vig on me. + Show Spoiler +
On November 17 2015 09:22 FarahBlackwing wrote: Sure he could, but shoot him/cop check him instead of using a lynch on him if you are so inclined.
On November 18 2015 01:17 FarahBlackwing wrote: You deal with people like moos the same way every game, you cop check him or you shoot him and spend d1 on other players.
##Vote Scott31337
We can point to the other games moos has played and compare them to some degree and yes his anger here is somewhat close to what it was when he bussed his whole team. However he has a clear objective in this game which is to push me, he cares very little for his survivor and is pushing for himself to be lynched to an extent which probably will come to fruition.
While its not necessarily a good heuristic it does exist that mafia players (moos included) like to survive, especially someone like moos who likes playing as mafia. In his last mafia game from what I can understand he did show anger martyr but when pressure slowly left him he continued to try to survive and push his team mate, and at some points just leaving the thread. Here whats his plan exactly? To push me care very little for his survival and fuck off. It seems more like a town not really caring that he rolled town rather than a mafia who wants to survive the day phase.
As to my vote on scott, I think hes quite possibly the best choice today. I do not have a huge lead as to who I think is the scummiest but i'm willing to listen to other cases currently but between scott and moos I would pick scott.
On November 18 2015 02:00 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote disinformation
Actually this might be the right way to go today, we can discuss scott/moos during he night and see how we want our vig/cop to act in that regard.
But disinformation isn't committing to anything, hes keeping his options open to see which way the wind is going to blow so that he can conceivably go with thread sentiment. His last two posts have set him up so that he can sheep either side as he has doubts about both. Its interesting to say the least.
On November 18 2015 04:40 FarahBlackwing wrote: Just let the vig cop fgure moos (who I think is town) and scott out (who I think might be scum).
I think its the right thing to do and just vote breshke out who has done scummy things as well.
All these are posts showing that Farah stated the best use of roles was on me/scott. Then all of a sudden she changes what she says and decides that using a role on me is a waste. + Show Spoiler +
On November 18 2015 04:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: He just doesn't want to lynch moos which I do not either.
cuz? didn't you want cop/vigi shot on him? that should put him in your okay to lynch area....
I'd check on moss and a shot elsewhere depending.
I think moos is likely town so I think both are wastes but the thread doesn't.
After having advocated for role usage on me for so long all of a sudden she says that it’s a waste and blames it on the thread? She already knows the outcome of what that check will be and is buying easy cred from it.
3. Now let’s back up and go to her read on me. Farah gave me a ton of shit for acting the way I did in the last game and was one of the main people pushing for my lynch. Now we look here and she gives me a free and easy townread with very little thought behind it. Let’s look at the post where she explains her read: + Show Spoiler +
On November 18 2015 01:17 FarahBlackwing wrote: You deal with people like moos the same way every game, you cop check him or you shoot him and spend d1 on other players.
##Vote Scott31337
We can point to the other games moos has played and compare them to some degree and yes his anger here is somewhat close to what it was when he bussed his whole team. However he has a clear objective in this game which is to push me, he cares very little for his survivor and is pushing for himself to be lynched to an extent which probably will come to fruition.
While its not necessarily a good heuristic it does exist that mafia players (moos included) like to survive, especially someone like moos who likes playing as mafia. In his last mafia game from what I can understand he did show anger martyr but when pressure slowly left him he continued to try to survive and push his team mate, and at some points just leaving the thread. Here whats his plan exactly? To push me care very little for his survival and fuck off. It seems more like a town not really caring that he rolled town rather than a mafia who wants to survive the day phase.
As to my vote on scott, I think hes quite possibly the best choice today. I do not have a huge lead as to who I think is the scummiest but i'm willing to listen to other cases currently but between scott and moos I would pick scott.
Her rationale for town reading me is that I try harder when I’m Mafia and don’t when I’m town. Looking at how things turned out for N1, I’m interested in seeing how she’ll read me now and exactly why she gave me such an easy pass while even people like NocturneMage, Trfel, and FecalFeast were struggling over my alignment for a bit. She was so confident in my alignment to the extent that she didn’t even feel the need to vote for me.
4. Says she doesn’t care for whether scott dies then expresses regret later on. Like what? First Farah says she doesn’t care whether scott dies or not and even goes so far as to push for his lynch. + Show Spoiler +
On November 18 2015 04:48 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Scott31337
Fine I don't care between the two, the posts towards VE are decent. And the lack of anything scott is doing even when hes on the lynch list is worse then when he normally plays.
On November 18 2015 04:52 FarahBlackwing wrote: All we need is a ritoky or a disformation switch and scott is the lynch.
Then she expresses sadness for the lynch right before it goes down? This is the easiest way for Mafia to buy town cred. + Show Spoiler +
On November 18 2015 05:00 FarahBlackwing wrote: scotts probably flipping town -_-
5. Her back off on disformation was super super weak. After advocating for so much role usage on me and scott, she decides that disformation is the best lynch. + Show Spoiler +
On November 18 2015 02:00 FarahBlackwing wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote disinformation
Actually this might be the right way to go today, we can discuss scott/moos during he night and see how we want our vig/cop to act in that regard.
But disinformation isn't committing to anything, hes keeping his options open to see which way the wind is going to blow so that he can conceivably go with thread sentiment. His last two posts have set him up so that he can sheep either side as he has doubts about both. Its interesting to say the least.
Then in the very next post of hers, she decides that she was wrong and decides to sheep geript's push onto Breshke. Like...hello? + Show Spoiler +
On November 18 2015 02:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Yes I could very well be wrong and he did have some towny posts. I'm just not sure if I 100% want to lynch between scott and moos.
Breshke might be a good alternative, reading geripts post now. But for now ##Unvote
6. Lies about Breshke Yes, her attempt to push onto Breshke was terrible and false. + Show Spoiler +
On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote: Actually I have rethought my position on breshke.
##Vote Breshke
There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos.
In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos.
If you take a look at Breshke’s filter, he’s actually been consistently on the same people so her vote onto Breshke is opportunistic.
Overall, I'm 99.999% Farah is Mafia. There were actually like 1 or 2 more points where she made more contradictions but I forget them and I'm tired after writing this twice.
The difference between the disformation and FarahBlackwing cases is that one is based on overarching themes from play while the other is based on concrete details that occurred. Farah's case is based on the concrete details which is why she's a stronger scum read. disformation's case is based on overarching themes of play which is why it's weaker although I do believe that his play is scummy.
But I would STRONGLY urge a Farah lynch over a disformation one.
Okay geript, Trfel, and Breshke. Stop clawing at each other like cats lmao. Just look over the cases I presented, please give opinions, settle your differences like humans, and then vote for Farah on D2. Thank you very much.
On November 18 2015 14:41 ritoky wrote: i am in a poor mood atm.
just read moosy's case, gonna respond to that before i read the rest of the shit.
which one? there are two. I also have a question for you ritoky, let me dig it up.
Actually I won't. It might breach the rules and I'm sure I'll find another way to read you. Just know that you dropped a bit down my list and got closer to scum.
On November 18 2015 14:53 ritoky wrote: re: moosy's case
1) you put a lot of weight on this, idk i don't really think it matters that much. people try plays all the time and like to try to do shit right at the start of the game that's convoluted. most people are bad at it, then there's palmar. you could be right you could be wrong, it doesn't convince me and i find it NAI
2) probably your best point. i know i was advocating not dealing with you since you were being a crybaby and using roles to resolve you; but someone directed me toward the setup and the guaranteed godfather and i realized that it was a shitty approach cuz of setup and became depressed and resigned to having to read what you type. that is a much different progression than "use it on these people, use it on these people" "oh they're a waste but other people say that's how it should be". that tends toward mafia.
3) this makes 0 sense from you imo. "last game i was a little shit kicking and screaming and farah gave me tons of shit for it but i was town" this game you're a little shit kicking and screaming and she town reads you. of course she does? like what? you're playing the same as her last experience when you were town, so why shouldn't she just think you're doing more of the same? i don't get this at all.
4) yeah there's a pretty stark difference between "oh he's gonna flip town" and me who actually tried to move my vote. likely inconsequential ultimately (i dun remember the numbers) but saying and not acting is pretty meh.
5) seems self explanatory, would like to hear her explanation as to why; could be mafia indicative.
6) me and NM covered this earlier and i typed a lot so i don't really wanna repeat unless i have to; i'll go quote myself if i must.
1) well the thing with this point is kind of meta/tone. Like you can just tell that Farah is a serious player, so doing goofy shit like Palmar is out of the question. But what she did isn't the big issue here. It's how she tried to explain her action away twice with progressively worse reasons. Also there's the fact that she's pushing the game forwards to get reads as she "claims" in her reasons but then says she doesn't care about the game later on. That's a contradiction right there.
3) Her reason for town reading me was that I was doing the same thing, but she believes that I would try if I were Mafia. So I'm interested to see how she'll read me off of my recent behavior and especially since I've clearly been driving at her this whole time.
4) Switching would just seem that much more scummy. You're an exception because you didn't read the game and was just flailing around but her switching would seem a calculated Mafia move. Either way both wagons were going to flip town so it was easy for her to just put her vote somewhere, cry over the town loss, and eat up the town cred.
On November 18 2015 14:53 ritoky wrote: re: moosy's case
1) you put a lot of weight on this, idk i don't really think it matters that much. people try plays all the time and like to try to do shit right at the start of the game that's convoluted. most people are bad at it, then there's palmar. you could be right you could be wrong, it doesn't convince me and i find it NAI
2) probably your best point. i know i was advocating not dealing with you since you were being a crybaby and using roles to resolve you; but someone directed me toward the setup and the guaranteed godfather and i realized that it was a shitty approach cuz of setup and became depressed and resigned to having to read what you type. that is a much different progression than "use it on these people, use it on these people" "oh they're a waste but other people say that's how it should be". that tends toward mafia.
3) this makes 0 sense from you imo. "last game i was a little shit kicking and screaming and farah gave me tons of shit for it but i was town" this game you're a little shit kicking and screaming and she town reads you. of course she does? like what? you're playing the same as her last experience when you were town, so why shouldn't she just think you're doing more of the same? i don't get this at all.
4) yeah there's a pretty stark difference between "oh he's gonna flip town" and me who actually tried to move my vote. likely inconsequential ultimately (i dun remember the numbers) but saying and not acting is pretty meh.
5) seems self explanatory, would like to hear her explanation as to why; could be mafia indicative.
6) me and NM covered this earlier and i typed a lot so i don't really wanna repeat unless i have to; i'll go quote myself if i must.
1) well the thing with this point is kind of meta/tone. Like you can just tell that Farah is a serious player, so doing goofy shit like Palmar is out of the question. But what she did isn't the big issue here. It's how she tried to explain her action away twice with progressively worse reasons. Also there's the fact that she's pushing the game forwards to get reads as she "claims" in her reasons but then says she doesn't care about the game later on. That's a contradiction right there.
3) Her reason for town reading me was that I was doing the same thing, but she believes that I would try if I were Mafia. So I'm interested to see how she'll read me off of my recent behavior and especially since I've clearly been driving at her this whole time.
4) Switching would just seem that much more scummy. You're an exception because you didn't read the game and was just flailing around but her switching would seem a calculated Mafia move. Either way both wagons were going to flip town so it was easy for her to just put her vote somewhere, cry over the town loss, and eat up the town cred.
6) Alright, I'll look for it later.
1) you've made your point, it doesn't convince me. other stuff you said has lowered my opinion of her; but i doubt this point ever will ring home with me so it's an impasse.
4) this is kinda a bit confirmation biasy don't you think?
1) meh 4) no, not really. She was driving the scott lynch and asked for votes to switch onto scott, so saying right before the lynch "he's gonna flip town!" is so bad. The only explanation is that she was trying to seem townie from it, but she forgot how she was driving part of the scott lynch and had explicitly stated before that she wouldn't care if he died.
On November 18 2015 15:29 ritoky wrote: moosy do you have a strong opinion on breshke? assuming town since both your scum reads were quick to hop on him for mediocre at best reasons?
On November 19 2015 06:07 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##Vote: FarahBlackwing
This is absolutely where we should go. Farah has failed to respond to huge chunks of my case and is trying to discredit my case using bm which is common for Mafia. Again. It's really strange for her to claim to try so hard at the beginning of the game and then claim she doesn't care now.
Small thoughts on VE/geript. We definitely have a vigilante here.
There is little reason for Mafia to have killed VE so geript was definitely the shot. I won't delve too much into NK WIFOM right now as I want to pursue my scum read but he was looking into Trfel and Breshke.
I'm actually kind of glad VE died because I wasn't sure how to read him and he really dropped off. That was an okay vigilante action.
On November 19 2015 06:10 MoosyDoosy wrote: @TheShining, make less huge posts and give me your top Mafia and top town with explanations please.
Are you seriously trying to go from BM martyr d1 to trying to lead town and the lynch d2?
I can go back to BM martyr if you wish but the fact that you guys held up with my BS means I have to at least try. Now go read my Farah case and get back to me please.
@Farah, explain your read on me now that I did the exact opposite of what you townread me for.
@disformation, give me your read on Farah and your opinion on my case.
@TheShining, please share your scum reads and hard town reads.
@Trfel, get back into the game please. And consider Farah for lynch.
ALSO this does NOT mean I am not going to listen to feedback. I am willing to converse and discuss reads but have somewhat limited time to do so. I will try and get back to everyone though. Give me thoughts.
On November 19 2015 06:27 FarahBlackwing wrote: If you actualy read what I wrote you would understand what my townread on you is for
You town read me for not giving a shit which I addressed in my case. Not only did I do the exact opposite of that which means your read should have changed, but it was a terribly formed read on your own part as well.
So yes, I do understand your read and the fact that you're showing you're either not reading the thread clearly or you're refusing to address what's asked of you.
If I'm wrong, you would very well realize that I'm not seeing what you're seeing, and you would point me in the right direction but you instead refuse to do that and try to misdirect me.
Like lmao, you're just clearly so scummy attempting to mess up the thread.
Okay Farah is scum lmao. There's little reason to believe her claim. She literally acted scummy as fuck during N1. Like what point is there in doing that as veteran? Best case scenario she's kept around and her role is useless. Worst case scenario vigi shoots her and both roles are wasted. Like hello?
I'm going to look into Breshke and Trfel. Farah is still scummy as fuck but it would be best to keep her around for one more day and see what she does especially if she's un cc'd.
On November 19 2015 08:29 FarahBlackwing wrote: Already answered the question moos in my filter
I understand how mad you can be after I essentially tore down your play with my case but realize that you're sending us to mylo if you're actually town. If you're still going to be obstinate then so be it.
On November 19 2015 14:07 ritoky wrote: well i am at work for the next 9 hours so if you do stuff or got questions i will intermittently respond.
pretty much where i am at is: ever is a problem because of inactivity and if we miss today we bring a coin flip to mylo, debating whether town trfel pushes on an un-cc'd claim and tending a bit toward mafia indicative, i told ff to poop town and he didn't which is a problem. and then i don't like shining that much.
let me know where you are when you can.
Who would you pick between Trfel and Breshke? Hm...gut says there's a scum between them.
On November 19 2015 15:21 Damdred wrote: Well, honestly yesterday was probably the correct day to lynch ever just because it was decently obvious that she wouldn't be able to participate if you wanted coin flip lynches. Which Scott was. Besides that if ever comes back good if not mod needs to deal with it.
what do we gain from an ever lynch exactly? Nothing at all.
Anyway I want some tense moments between us.
Besides that I need to check truffles scum game, but I'm sorta doubting that scum truffle sees town moos and town breshke up and gets offended nobody listens to him about Scott. If trfel is scum probably scum with breshke but probably not on a gut feeling which I need to proof
On November 20 2015 03:23 Damdred wrote: Ok since nobody is claiming a shot and allowing town to parse the data ever since has to be the vigilante since I don't think any of you guys could be that bad. Like really if the big isn't ever you are hurting town so much right now.
And until we learn who the big shot we can't use either geripts or be read on who they think is scum or not.
Anyway just got home so going to do some reading.
I was vigilante and shot VE because I wanted to see how Trfel's read on him turned out and also because I have no idea how to read him. Which leaves me with the situation where I want disformation dead and a situation where I want Trfel dead.
Sorry that I can't be around but this is where I'm parking a vote. I strongly want a vote on Trfel/Breshke. Other people are likely scum but resolving this first and then killing the obv scum in mylo will put us in a good place.
On November 20 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote: Wait wait moosey nobody ask him this until he answers.
Why did you shoot VE over your hard scum read in Farah during n1?
I was confident that Farah was scum and that I would secure her lynch during D2. Which would have been the case had she not acted scummy as fuck because she was blue sigh. It was better for me to kill someone I was unsure of how to read and to get a check on Trfel.
On November 20 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote: Wait wait moosey nobody ask him this until he answers.
Why did you shoot VE over your hard scum read in Farah during n1?
I was confident that Farah was scum and that I would secure her lynch during D2. Which would have been the case had she not acted scummy as fuck because she was blue sigh. It was better for me to kill someone I was unsure of how to read and to get a check on Trfel.
Why wait 24 hours to claim?
The hero side of me wanted Mafia to claim and for me to counter claim.
On November 20 2015 07:39 Damdred wrote: Its not a check on trfel though, plus disformation was your other scum read why not him?
And that's bad ritoky eliminating someone for that lol
I still do think disformation is scum. If you read my post with the claim I said other people were "obviously scummy". My plan is to kill Breshke/Trfel in order to check a suspicion rather than be forced into that position in mylo. Then I'm going to kill disformation in mylo which puts us in a good position to figure out the other two Mafia.
If you check my filter, I did suggest a team of Breshke/Trfel/disformation which is why I said "wauw wtf" in response to your post saying Breshke and Trfel are linked. But on that note, I have a question for you. What links Breshke and Trfel together in your mind?
On November 20 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote: Wait wait moosey nobody ask him this until he answers.
Why did you shoot VE over your hard scum read in Farah during n1?
I was confident that Farah was scum and that I would secure her lynch during D2. Which would have been the case had she not acted scummy as fuck because she was blue sigh. It was better for me to kill someone I was unsure of how to read and to get a check on Trfel.
Why wait 24 hours to claim?
The hero side of me wanted Mafia to claim and for me to counter claim.
I only claim now because I don't want people to think Trfel was the vig that shot VE and so that it's confirmed for people that VE was the vig shot and that geript was the Mafia kill. Which I hinted at in my "NK analysis" after EoN1 as well.
On November 20 2015 07:45 Damdred wrote: Its how eod went with the pulling so hard to discredit geript+get on a town. From what I've read misrepresented etc.
Plus a few good points against breshke have already been brought up.
Anyway if trfel is scum ots probable breshke is, however if breshke is scum its not lock trfel is roughly. Which is bad reasoning
Um...I meant what makes Trfel scum with Breshke. Like posts that made you think that or their interactions.
On November 20 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote: Wait wait moosey nobody ask him this until he answers.
Why did you shoot VE over your hard scum read in Farah during n1?
I was confident that Farah was scum and that I would secure her lynch during D2. Which would have been the case had she not acted scummy as fuck because she was blue sigh. It was better for me to kill someone I was unsure of how to read and to get a check on Trfel.
Why wait 24 hours to claim?
The hero side of me wanted Mafia to claim and for me to counter claim.
no point in lecturing on why this is a selfish and sub-optimal play...it was.
My play has never been about what's optimal. It's about what I want and what's most flashy if you haven't noticed. xd
On November 20 2015 12:58 Damdred wrote: Seriously you've done nothing but soft to hard defend breshke all game and why?
Where the heck does this come from?
I've been posting more analysis than anyone, making more cases than everyone else combined. I've pushed my suspicions to the best of my ability as well.
Just because I was wrong does NOT change the amount of effort that I've put into this game or how invested I've been in this game.
The fact that you can even think of simplifying my play to a defense of Breshke is unbelievable.
I have an exam tomorrow morning. I found one mafia. I gave a POE list with my reads (yes, the people not on the list have good reason to be town). That means that unless I messed up, there are two mafia in the other three. I'll go worry about my exam now, we can worry about the other mafia later.
No, he makes a good point. You're pointing fingers at basically everyone EXCEPT for Breshke which is highly suspicious.
On November 24 2015 06:32 Tictock wrote: Couple other things.
Moosy's play D1 was god awful, as was his shot. He did try to swap to Farah but his "last min" switch actually happened an hour after deadline.... oops.
Seriously though Moosy, do us all a favor and learn a different way to react to being scum read. Martyring is never going to win people over, and is actively playing against your win con. I did give thought to Mod killing you if you kept it up. Also voting for yourself when you knew it was against the rules (and therefor making me edit the votes that much more)... for shame
Farah, overall you played quite well. I can understand the frustrations you had, but honestly I think you just would need to learn to not take things personally or so seriously in game. Clearly anyone who is scum reading you is an idiot and should not be listened too.... problem solved! If you just can't seem to find the fun in these games then that's one thing, but if it just an issue with getting frustrated with other people, well maybe it's an opportunity to learn how to deal with that better.
Scott also played fairly well the little that he did D1. Someday people will learn to not read you based on your activity... and on that day you'll prob roll mafia and ruin it.
Geript prob town hero for getting 2/3 of the team D1. Damdred more or less carried town when he entered the game.
Rit played a pretty good scumgame all said and done, sorry I ruined it for ya.
Unfortunately, D1 is always a drag for me and it's either I get killed or I stay in and start playing N1/D2. Also, I really do hate playing town except for a few rare exceptions. I was very sad when Eversince left the game and I was left without anyone to banter with.
Also, I'd like to respectfully disagree with how Farah played. There's a reason why I was able to make a decent case against her.
I also have no idea how to vig so I just rolled with it.
On November 24 2015 07:29 ritoky wrote: I am probably also extra salty because if I had won I would have had the highest mafia winrate on the entire site, and now I don't; and I feel I could have certainly played better, but that this one isn't really my fault.