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On October 05 2015 02:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 05:58 Rels wrote:On October 04 2015 05:57 sicklucker wrote:On October 04 2015 05:50 Rels wrote:On October 04 2015 05:47 sicklucker wrote:On October 04 2015 05:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 04 2015 05:37 sicklucker wrote:
Now we justt gotta find the last one. in a coolt/trefel world a fake claiming dandred makes some sense which is why im curious of dandreds reaction here. but there is many other options reeeeels ya acualy its pretty much just rels because everyone else voted coolt ? who did you vote day 1 again So I was the first to push and vote my teammate, and would have stayed here until the end when I had no way to know damdred would counter claim ? That's stupid me and rayn were the first to push him. I love how you keep throwing that you were the first to vote him tho Don't remember that, added to the to check pile OK sicklucker when I said I was the first to push coolTLname, you said rayn and you were the first to push him. Rayn confirmed it's false from his side: Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 04 2015 05:58 Rels wrote:On October 04 2015 05:57 sicklucker wrote:On October 04 2015 05:50 Rels wrote:On October 04 2015 05:47 sicklucker wrote:On October 04 2015 05:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 04 2015 05:37 sicklucker wrote:
Now we justt gotta find the last one. in a coolt/trefel world a fake claiming dandred makes some sense which is why im curious of dandreds reaction here. but there is many other options reeeeels ya acualy its pretty much just rels because everyone else voted coolt ? who did you vote day 1 again So I was the first to push and vote my teammate, and would have stayed here until the end when I had no way to know damdred would counter claim ? That's stupid me and rayn were the first to push him. I love how you keep throwing that you were the first to vote him tho Don't remember that, added to the to check pile afaik i did never push coolTLname on D1. The first post about your read on coolTLname was this one: Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 11:14 sicklucker wrote:
and this cool guy so far has openly role hunted and claims to read me after 1 game that im pretty sure never happened (i never played with this guy before) And you want to talk about me as trefel? I remember when everyone thought you were the second coming of jesus My post about coolTLname is 14 hours earlier: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 21:21 Rels wrote:This first post by coolTLname is super scummy. It is his first post, and he talks about a lot of differents subjects. A first post with different subjects is scum indicative as mafia usually has a hard time entering the thread. Plus, I don't know how GB's posts being mechanical and rayn's posts being mechanical are mixed up. Plus, he agrees on a Moosy's posts that I don't understand. Plus, he next post is scummy too: On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote:
So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves? Two useless questions. After that he posted one more time and gtfo. So you were not to push on coolTLname. Can you point me to the post that made you think rayn was joining your push on coolTLname ?
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On October 05 2015 06:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 06:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 05 2015 06:17 Rels wrote:
impatient boy Not impatient. Just practical. 1 hr is enough time for you to give thoughts and answer questions. As it is, we're running out of time and if you die and I'm Mafia, what will you do? (; Yeah, since he's mafia, that would be really bad, right? What if he posts his thoughts really really late in the night and then night kills you so you can't defend yourself? That would be devastating.
sounds like a plan
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On October 05 2015 06:28 sicklucker wrote:
i doubt you pushed him before his first post rels. because you would have had to do that to beat me to the cake
everything is in the post above ...
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k in case I die.
First, we will probably be 5v3 tomorrow IE triple LYLO. At LYLO, you have to re evaluate your reads, cause one mislynch and its over. We don't want a scum to sit passively because he is townread by a majority of town. In light of this, I ask everybody the following:
Reread everybody s filter tomorrow and focus on your hard reads first.
If you don't have the time, 6 is the bare minimum, as you will be assured to read at least one mafia filter.
I will do that. In case I die though, here are my current reads:
The Shining is probably mafia. My filter analysis and Trfel s case are in spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 03 2015 17:37 Rels wrote:OK Shining's filter at first glance seems OK. But: 1. he is focusing a lot of his posts on coolTLname, who is arleady voted by most of the town. 2. his recent townread on Moosy is weird: + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote:
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Idk what to think about SL either but I do know as games go on, it becomes blatantly obvious whether he is scum or not. Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them. Starting with this post, Shinig started filter diving and questioning Moosy about stuff. His read on Moosy became more and more on the scum side, culminating in these posts EON1 / start of D2: On October 02 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1. And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town. On October 02 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 08:20 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 08:13 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 07:11 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 06:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 06:37 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:46 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:29 The Shining wrote:
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Hrm this is true. And although I started being suspicious of cool pretty early over the Marv non-read, I was actually the last to vote him. I wasn't even really pushing cool, I was still questioning him before I caught his chainsaw RSo defense. Sigh I guess I'll respond to this too. It doesn't make a difference. Rels and GB's votes didn't do much to start the wagon . It was only after you and me voted for coolTL that the wagon actually started. On October 01 2015 06:00 KelsierSC wrote:Day 1 Recall List rsoultin (2): Trfel, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, , Rels, scott31337, GlowingBear (2): Damdred, coolTLname Trfel (2): GlowingBear, Rels, LightningStrike, sicklucker coolTLname (5): Rels, GlowingBear, MoosyDoosy, scott31337, TheShining raynpelikoneet (0): coolTLname, MoosyDoosymarvellosity (0): Damdred, scott31337 (1): marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, sickluckerNot listing (1): rsoultin, Tonight, I will be banning coolTLname permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey.
Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. But I was the last vote on that train...you were 3rd...neither of us started that train...why are you lying/misrepresenting? Moosy pls Okay so I made a mistake to not see people were voting for coolTL other than me. I was just super excited that we both drew the exact same conclusion at the exact same time which is why I gave us all the credit. Either way, the coolTL wagon only became a real thing when we voted for coolTL and said he had TMI to make scott move over and make even rayn unvote to have doubts. Yeaaaaa...I kind of thought the same but with the sequence of events and the other votes on cool, it felt like a pocket attempt while subscribing to my train of thought. Here's why: On October 01 2015 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##unvote
##vote coolTLname
This is scum with TMI about rsoul. This post came 2 minutes after this post of mine: On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:06 coolTLname wrote:On October 01 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote:
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If I'm understanding this right, marv is pushing your townread super hard for lynch. How is his alignment not relevant?
Why would you say you're going to do something and then not do it? And then do the same thing with rso past games instead? I don't understand this how is saying he is mafia or town going to change his vote? i have better things to do such as defend rsoultin directly or accuse the glowing bear/ rayn and possibly sicklucker one of whom have 3 votes on. Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me. this went through my mind but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched? pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah >< i still think this isn't gb's town game all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way. Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here. Just enough time to read this post and make your short post after my prompting because I was already on the track to thinking cool had TMI. That was also your first post in 2 hours but you don't mention anything else and just latch onto the coolTLname TMI case. ... ...? because I was busy and literally thought of coolTLname, logged in, voted him, thought of reasoning, quoted it onto rayn's post then left Wait so you voted him to get on the wagon and THEN thought of reasoning for it? What?? This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning. Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad. But then he threw all this progression away just there: On October 03 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 11:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
did anyone notice he literally revokes everything he said and did in that post of his... Actually yeah wow this. Bah Moosy can be town, there's no way we keep having mind melds like this. And he didn't scumread him anymore in the rest of his posts. 3. his push is Trfel is very non commital, and we don't really know what his final read is: + Show Spoiler +On October 03 2015 05:05 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel which one of us do you believe is right? Did Trfel ever answer this? All I saw was him saying he thought cool was town and that their talk was getting nowhere. After saying he'd lynch cool because even if he's town because he's not helpful to town. That's a weird progression and considering I think rayn is town and cool is scum, it seems pretty weird to not take a side here or even analyze what the arguments they had against each other were. Questions about Trfel to rayn. On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote:
Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V? Question about Trfel to rsoultin. On October 03 2015 11:21 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 11:15 rsoultin wrote:On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote:
Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V? yeah, his push on ls was horrid and wasn't something he'd ever say as town, essentially I thought it was him snap voting geript at the start of the game for some bull about a self imposed 10 post limit per phase before weirdly backing off of it. The reason I'm asking is because although he claims it was a joke, he did go out of his way to put it into the voting thread and was looking for reactions. He's your top suspicion right now so I'm wondering if you see any similarities between that game and this one. Finally explaining why he is suspecting him. On October 03 2015 11:43 The Shining wrote:OK thank you. I was just revisiting that because I said I'd filter him a while ago and I'm finally getting around to it. That second post is a pretty interesting point but I'm not sure it makes him scum if he's the dolt you say he is lol. But the alternating between jokes and srs reads is shifty, I agree, although Rels also called him out for that and he addressed it here so I don't want to look too much into that. Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 11:37 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 17:42 Rels wrote:On September 29 2015 07:28 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
btw truffle nope ^^ i only skimmed it cause yawn lol you can keep your shitty vote Hm, I kind of actually think you are mafia now..... But I can't decide if I should push or wait..... @Trfel is this a serious post if it is I find super weird the fact that most posts before and after this one are funny posts OK after I finish catching up I'll do a Trfel's filter dive to check if my feeling is right. But I definitely have the feeling there is a contradiction in tone progression in Trfel's posts, something like funny => one serious => funny => one serious => funny If you think that me alternating between being serious or funny is a sign that I am mafia, then I have no more words for you. To be honest, depending on how that's applied, it's probably the easiest way to read me. Since apparently I wasn't clear: I started out by voting rsoultin as a joke. Then I started being a bit suspicious of rsoultin, but not enough that I wanted to actually push it (at least until I reread things). Before I was able to reread things, rsoultin made some posts that were contrary to the assumptions I had made for some of my suspicions of her, and then I realized a few flaws in my suspicions. So I wasn't very suspicious of her any more). Clear enough? He also has posts where he talks himself in and out of points that he'd scum you for but then calls you scum after. There's also a lot of moments where he blatantly admits he wasn't reading the thread. I'm not sure if I think scumTrfel would put these things into the thread to be picked at if he was scum, unless he's just yoloing this game and trying new things. Then dropping it I think ? The last sentence indicated he now believes Trfel is town ? It is super unclear. 4. A few excuses to him not playing the game (even if the cops' situation is probably true =X): + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote:
Hi guys. I'm here, kinda. I have a ridiculous amount to catch up on so I prob won't be actively posting for a few hrs. I was at my college admissions office basically all day and I rarely get online Monday/Tuesday, anyway, so I apologize for not being around. On October 01 2015 04:12 The Shining wrote:
Mobile posting. Just got to work and it's a fucking shitfest. Our computer system and Internet is down so I've got a little under 3 hrs before eod to manually log in a bunch of packages on an ipad and catch up on this game on my phone, because no tablet wifi. I will be here but in limited quantities.
I'm not happy =/ On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote:
Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V? So maybe Shining is scum. But that would mean he bused coolTLname D1, which is weird. On October 04 2015 04:04 Trfel wrote:The ShiningPlease note: - This case got quite long as I was writing it. Due to the length of the case, all of the embedded quotes and TL code, and the time of day, I'm not going to go back through and remove the self-notes that I left in the case.
- The Shining did start looking into my (Trfel's) alignment mid Day 2, and that looks very good for him. However, I would have expected this to happen much sooner. Some of my later points referring to this should possibly be dismissed, though the earlier ones are still valid.
- The Shining did follow up with his "on the fence" read on MoosyDoosy, just far later than I would have expected.
The Case- As town, The Shining generally addresses everyone in the thread when explaining his scumreads. As mafia, The Shining often addresses only his scumread when explaining his scumread. This game, there are several examples of The Shining addressing his scumread when explaining his scumread.
+ Show Spoiler +First, explaining your scumread to your scumread is simply bad. If your scumread is mafia, you shouldn't be explaining to them why they are mafia, or what it was that they did wrong. That feels more like "haha, I got you on this one, here's what you did wrong!!" rather than "Hey, I solved the game!" I did find one example of The Shining doing this in a town game. However, that's the only example I found in three town games from him. The Shining only has one scum game in the database, but he still made many cases addressed to his scumreads in that game. For a more detailed look at the games I looked at, with examples, see this post, or look at the database.
- The Shining's early analysis post on MoosyDoosy is forced
+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 11:57 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 10:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 30 2015 10:54 The Shining wrote:On September 29 2015 08:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
It's a sad day when the only person who turns out to be town is LS. In your filter right now. What made you say this? lol be prepared, my filter is an absolute disaster. On September 30 2015 09:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I actually think this game is fairly easy after reading through it a second time without the schizophrenic paranoid painkiller druggy glasses. You have to traverse pages of my arguments with rsoul where things finally became more or less clear for me. You weren't kidding. LoL. But I'm really on the fence about you, yuck. See posts like these read town to me at first glance because of clear reads and quotes to support what you're saying: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 12:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 12:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Well, no one has struck out to me as Mafia immediately, so I’m just waiting for a good case on someone to sheep. Not to mention, Shining and coolTLname haven’t posted yet, and the GB/rayn question remains up in the air. I don’t feel like going into sicklucker/J Roc today because I feel that’ll settle itself over time. dunno how I feel about marv. you still only got one townread? might want to get on that if you plan on being a sheeplermuffin, especially with the one townread you have why is he town? something more concrete than your earlier read on me, please and also i want your vote >> give it me LS is town for attempting to do what I managed to accomplish (redirecting the thread seriously). Eh, tone reasons and blah. Damdred looks town. Emotional Damdred over having his posts ignored although his reactions to his own shenanigans were strange at the start. rsoul is very sadly, unfortunately, i may have been on the wrong track, town. Managed to glean her direction and she's drawing the conclusions that make her look like town! rsoul. everyone else is kind of a null. I'm sure I can manage to stir something up to get more reads though. It's worthy to note that the nulls should sort themselves out. Mainly GB/rayn and J Roc/sicklucker. No way to read Shining/coolTLname/Rels. Don’t know how to read marv or Trfel. And no I refuse to give you my vote ma’am. Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 22:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:I just went ahead and plucked out a few quotes: On September 29 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:03 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Welcome to the Wonderful World of Trfel!
(musical version) As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background. I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it. But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it. I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music. I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking). Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs. One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece  ): TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched! TLDR: yada yada music yada not posting cause music yada yada Marry me On September 29 2015 07:18 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town truffle took your position. next phase Please explain, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here? I mean, yeah, I'd just like to have you explain this post please ^^ i see you bby you know it me and my third eye of amaze. or am i wrong and you're not being the gb acolyte, just trying to imitate the finer whiskies? (is that how you spell they plural for whisky? o.0) He is not my acolyte, he is my successor On September 29 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote:
Ok I have a couple terrible town reads Is this going to be the theme for early Day 1? This just going to a shitfest..... Ok I have a couple of terrible town reads On September 29 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote:
Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements:
A good person to team up with
Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy
Must not ignore my posts or talk over me
must have a good voice
and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend i have a good voice, maybe? i might be funny. i enjoy walks. enough? Rayn who is with you in your scum qt? All of these posts are very bland. Like they're supposed to be banter but it's almost a sea of gray as if GB is forcing(?)/faking(?) the banter. Which just made me more suspicious when he started focusing on Trfel/Damdred straight away. I don't know GB's meta too well so I'm not sure if he's normally this focused or not. The thing is that he did bring two good points on Trfel and Damdred. This combination of not being sure about GB's meta and how he's bringing up good things made me town lean him for a while. But then you have posts like these that just rub me the wrong way because it doesn't make sense to me: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 21:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB, claiming I'm Mafia when I didn't even explain my reads is bad. Especially when I just entered the thread and didn't have much time to answer questions. Because you claim you didn't explain your reads but you posted this post: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 21:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The problem with this game isn't so much that there are no scum reads, it's that there are too many people I'm not townreading.
- marv is town
- Rels is town
- Damdred is town
- Lightningstrike is town
Only people I'm certain of at this point.
Oh yeah, GB is town lean. hm...rayn is scum lean. AFTER this post: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 12:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 12:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Well, no one has struck out to me as Mafia immediately, so I’m just waiting for a good case on someone to sheep. Not to mention, Shining and coolTLname haven’t posted yet, and the GB/rayn question remains up in the air. I don’t feel like going into sicklucker/J Roc today because I feel that’ll settle itself over time. dunno how I feel about marv. you still only got one townread? might want to get on that if you plan on being a sheeplermuffin, especially with the one townread you have why is he town? something more concrete than your earlier read on me, please and also i want your vote >> give it me LS is town for attempting to do what I managed to accomplish (redirecting the thread seriously). Eh, tone reasons and blah. Damdred looks town. Emotional Damdred over having his posts ignored although his reactions to his own shenanigans were strange at the start. rsoul is very sadly, unfortunately, i may have been on the wrong track, town. Managed to glean her direction and she's drawing the conclusions that make her look like town! rsoul. everyone else is kind of a null. I'm sure I can manage to stir something up to get more reads though. It's worthy to note that the nulls should sort themselves out. Mainly GB/rayn and J Roc/sicklucker. No way to read Shining/coolTLname/Rels. Don’t know how to read marv or Trfel. And no I refuse to give you my vote ma’am. TLDR You said GB was bad for calling you scum when you didn't even explain your reads but you explained your reads before making that list with no explanations. And you went from idk how to read Marv to Marv town. That's the only unexplained one att. This is a fairly long post. For the conclusion of "I'm on the fence". No questions for MoosyDoosy either. I'm not sure what the purpose is for town to post this. Furthermore, the point that The Shining gives about MoosyDoosy's post to GlowingBear shows a lack of thought. MoosyDoosy makes a reads post on several people in the thread and then leaves for 11 hours and 9 minutes. When he comes back, he makes a read post with four certain town reads, one scum lean, and one town lean, but he doesn't explain them. After this post, GlowingBear says that MoosyDoosy is mafia, and MoosyDoosy says it's bad that GlowingBear would call him mafia instead of waiting for his reasons for these reads. The Shining's argument is that MoosyDoosy already explained his reads in the other post that he quoted. Only two of the six people mentioned in MoosyDoosy's later post were people that MoosyDoosy had given a read on in his earlier post. This is something that The Shining should always see. The only explanation is that The Shining was rushed through this. So back to the original question, why is The Shining making this post? A long analysis post with no conclusion and no questions isn't terribly useful, except as perhaps a point of discussion or to share thoughts to be followed up on later (except The Shining doesn't talk about MoosyDoosy or follow up on this at all, more on that later). But the analysis is rushed and therefore has a flaw. The Shining entered the thread late. He apologized for his late entrance and being busy. This post feels like a post made to get townread, not a post made to find scum, as it doesn't really have much purpose (especially without the followup) and is rushed.
- The Shining's followup to his early series of posts suggests that he's playing to get townread, not to find scum
+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote:
Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them. This is why The Shining was filter diving MoosyDoosy. You would expect him to filter dive me next. He doesn't. The Shining was townread by many people for his first series of posts. On September 30 2015 12:05 sicklucker wrote:
shining is so town it hurts. never seen him post before let alone a post that big when he bizzy On September 30 2015 12:27 Damdred wrote:
Hi, shining is pretty towny good guy so far.
On September 30 2015 12:27 rsoultin wrote:
dododo
recreating town circles
-gathers truffle, shining and damdy into the fold- ^^
brain trust! \o/
not lynching moosy, rayn or sl today...i think i'll add cool here...he smells of newbie newness
ye i'm being female...so sue me
i think i actually want to lynch into rels, marv and scott
on whims, magic, and gut feels And after this, The Shining's effort level and analysis drops off. He's busy, he's phone posting, I get it. It's not a 100% argument, but it is still suspicious. There is a followup section to this argument later. Note to self, did he ever filter dive me? Did he ever post an analysis post like the MoosyDoosy one again?
- Push on coolTLname doesn't feel natural
+ Show Spoiler +This section has two parts. The second is much more important than the first.
I think that this point is an opinion, and it's hard to explain. To me, there were several points that people had to lynch coolTLname, and The Shining spent most of his time talking about his own reason that he was suspicious of coolTLname (that coolTLname said he would check marvellosity's past games and never did). I don't find this point terribly interesting, especially after it's been mentioned a few times, since then if coolTLname does go back and check marvellosity's past games there's the "he just did it to be townread!" argument. Basically, there's no point for The Shining to keep bringing this point up, not over all of the other points that have been brought up. And then when coolTLname says that marvellosity is irrelevant, which makes a fair amount of sense from his perspective if you are willing to actually try and understand what he's saying instead of just reading the words, The Shining seems to use that as a reason to be even more suspicious of coolTLname. I don't see The Shining using critical thinking here, it seems like he's trying to invent his own reason to join the coolTLname wagon. However, this is an opinion, and I can understand how people disagree.
The more interesting thing here is what DOESN'T happen. Here's the vote count at the time that The Shining returns to the thread. rsoultin (4): Trfel, marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, scott31337 GlowingBear (3): rsoultin, Damdred, coolTLname Trfel (2): LightningStrike, sicklucker coolTLname (2): Rels, GlowingBear raynpelikoneet (1): MoosyDoosy If he had time, you would expect him to read my filter, which he hasn't done yet. But even that aside, he should be interested in the pushes on rsoultin and GlowingBear. In my summary of the thread sentiment/direction at the time, I cited those as the main wagons. The Shining does say that he thinks that rsoultin is still town, just for different reasons. But he never seems to check the reasons that marvellosity and raynpelikoneet had for pushing rsoultin, which I could have expected him to do. I don't think he looks at the reasons for the GlowingBear lynch at all either. He never gives a new read on GlowingBear. When raynpelikoneet votes for LightningStrike, The Shining asks him why. However, The Shining doesn't seem very interested in actually lynching LightningStrike, despite being suspicious of him for the entire game. I don't see any drive from The Shining to investigate LightningStrike at all here. Since The Shining says here that coolTLname and LightningStrike can't be mafia together, one would expect him to be much more interested in LightningStrike's alignment, given that he's lynching coolTLname. Furthermore, after the Day 1 lynch, The Shining spends several posts exlaining to coolTLname why he is 100% mafia. This doesn't make sense from a town standpoint at all.
- After Day 1, The Shining seems content to follow the thread sentiment and I don't see him putting in the effort that I would expect from him as town
+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1. And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town. So he basically just agrees with raynpelikoneet's reads. And he admits that he never really investigated if raynpelikoneet's reasons for scumreading rsoultin were good or not, which he really should have given some attention to as town. He also doesn't seem very interested in looking into LightningStrike's alignment, which as previously explained, is very important since he is scumreading coolTLname and he says that they can't be scum together. It also feels like The Shining follows the thread sentiment with regards to MoosyDoosy. He's apparently on the fence on MoosyDoosy for all of Day 1 and Night 1, but never bothers to engage other people in discussing MoosyDoosy (despite at one point listing this as his third strongest suspicion). When thread sentiment shifts clearly to suspecting MoosyDoosy, The Shining shifts with it. As Day 2 starts, The Shining's push on MoosyDoosy looks much better, but the original shift of suspicion with the thread sentiment feels mafia motivated. Furthermore, this progression doesn't make sense. First he says that he's voting for coolTLname and coolTLname should have been lynched on Day 1. Then he says that he doesn't like auto lynches and Day 2 shouldn't be an auto lynch day (I don't see him doing anything at all to help with this, note to self, does he ever look into actually lynching anyone other than coolTLname?). Finally, he says this to coolTLname. On October 02 2015 11:51 The Shining wrote:
OK srsly please stop this. This is your 2nd give up post, and we still have 40+ hours left in this day phase. Instead of asking if anyone remembers who asked about you too hunting, why not use your time to find it yourself? How many times are you going to declare your innocence but then do jack shit about it? This reads like a scum post just trying to get people to waste time on shit we dont need to waste time on.
And it wasn't me that said you were role hunting but thanks for trying to pin that on me. -1 CoolTLname has been The Shining's top scum read for the entire game. It's the thing he's most consistent on throughout his filter. His scumread on coolTLname has been strong enough for The Shining to not want to lynch LightningStrike, his other consistent scumread throughout his filter. But here, he's talking to coolTLname as if coolTLname is town (I admit that I generally don't like this argument, but here it seems stronger). He's telling coolTLname how to play a better town game while calling him scum twice. And getting frustrated at his strongest scumread for being scummy. I could understand this if The Shining seemed to doubt coolTLname's alignment, but he doesn't. I don't think he really looks into anyone else after this (note to self, check this), in which case this post has no place in a town mindset. On October 03 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 11:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
did anyone notice he literally revokes everything he said and did in that post of his... Actually yeah wow this. Bah Moosy can be town, there's no way we keep having mind melds like this. This is a very strange post, but there isn't that much mafia motivation for The Shining to post this (some, but not a significant amount). I'll leave this here as a note for anyone who wants to try and investigate more. On October 03 2015 05:05 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel which one of us do you believe is right? Did Trfel ever answer this? All I saw was him saying he thought cool was town and that their talk was getting nowhere. After saying he'd lynch cool because even if he's town because he's not helpful to town. That's a weird progression and considering I think rayn is town and cool is scum, it seems pretty weird to not take a side here or even analyze what the arguments they had against each other were. Okay, so he's a bit suspicious of me (Trfel) as well. He does eventually look into my alignment, which is good for him, but he never finishes with this. Also, note that he doesn't seem to look at LightningStrike at all, despite noticing that raynpelikoneet argued that LightningStrike and coolTLname can be mafia together. He just says that he's interested in raynpelikoneet's argument, but doesn't follow up on the argument itself or on LightningStrike.
ConclusionThe Shining only used filter diving analysis twice in the game (early Day 1 on MoosyDoosy, and mid Day 2 on Trfel). Along with his read progression, he seems to be playing more to get townread instead of to find mafia. He also shows that his mindset is not a town mindset on several occasions.
Moosy is probably mafia. The points that makes him mafia are in spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +1. After D2 started, Moosy accused GB of being mafia with a nonsense argument + Show Spoiler +On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa. This is reaching to call GB scum. There is NO way GB as mafia fights for coolTLname's lynch, when people are willing to switch to a blue. A mafia would just shut up and let the switch happen. 2. I call Moosy scummy for reasons X and Y. Moosy also thinks I called him scummy for reason Z. Moosy scumread me partly for that. + Show Spoiler +Moosy once again is reaching for a reason to call someone scum, this time me; It is nonsense to someone based on the fact you think he is scumreading you for a reason; when that person never said you were scummy for that, and actually said multiple times this particular reason didn't matter! This sentence got very long; see the resume oin the title of the pont. Moosy admitting he still scumread me for that: On October 04 2015 03:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 03:11 Rels wrote:On October 04 2015 03:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 04 2015 03:05 Rels wrote:On October 04 2015 03:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 04 2015 02:30 Rels wrote:On October 04 2015 02:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 03 2015 20:35 rsoultin wrote:On October 03 2015 20:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2015 20:29 rsoultin wrote:
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DUDE
he clearly wanted to part of d1 and then didn't want to!
like how the fuck do you not understand this?! So he was not pushing your lynch then, because you can't be pushing and not pushing. Again, why did mafia not hop on your lynch? apparently rels did not hop onto my lynch because rayn's world only consists of what happens at the end ^^ and that's assuming that rels is actually mafia how should i know why according to rayn view mafia didn't hop onto my lynch? maybe they don't want to be associated with mislynching a town rsoul. they didn't pm me and tell me 'hey rsoul, we didn't jump on your wagon because x' This is actually one of the reasons that I scum read Rels in my argument with him which he somehow didn't pick up on. He's very less invested in following the people he thinks are scum. He's already questioned me then acceded and went away. Very uncharacteristic of him when he normally tunnels harder than rayn. Another lie. I did pick it up. I said that I had nothing to comment on because it was true. With me re evaluating rsoultin then leaving work then being unavailable to play until deadline d1, I didn't have time to do that. I will find the post to prove that. Me picking on one inconsistent part of your read is different from me not acknowledging other parts of your read lol then you definitely know 100% that I'm not just talking about 1 part of my argument with you. Thank you for admitting it. I have no idea what you are talking anymore. I tried to clarify stuff by asking you a simple question and I didn't understand the answer ok let me explain this. A. you highlighted one ambiguous part of my post and said that I was scumreading you for you screaming about my behavior and how you were actually just reading me town. B. I said that it was weird for you to expect me to know you were reading me town when you were screaming. C. I also said that there was obviously more than one part to what I was scumreading you for so I didn't understand how you only got that from our argument D. you asked me what these other parts were E. point A was not reading the thread properly which is definitely what you are doing if you think I'm scumreading you for only one thing F. you tunnel on me for not answering a question that you should know the answer to G. you admit there are more points that can make you scum H. i'm clearly right in that there are more points to scumread you as you just admitted My question is "is the fact that I screamed that line at you still part of your case against me" Yes no Yes. There is no way you can expect me to know you are town reading me when you are screaming about my behavior like you caught something. 3. Moosy insisted we lynch coolTLname whatever his alignement D2. + Show Spoiler +Moosy clearly wanted to lynch coolTLname. He repeated to have two possible lineups of mafias; and said he would lynch coolTLname since he was either a liability or town. This is a scummy way of thinking, since lynching coolTLname is exactly what mafia wanted. If he had a doubt about coolTLname being only a bad town, he should have pushed for other lynches; but didn't. On October 04 2015 03:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Caught up. I still stand by coolTL. He is either a liability for town or Mafia.
After his flip is when I pursue one of my two line-ups. On October 04 2015 04:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 04:44 rsoultin wrote:On October 04 2015 04:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 04 2015 04:37 rsoultin wrote:On October 04 2015 04:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 04 2015 04:34 rsoultin wrote:On October 04 2015 04:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:
rsoultin explain why there are two mafia in cool/rels/moosy cause there are three mafia in cool/rels/moosy/sl, so at least two are in any group of three  you ignored the post directly after the one you're referring to where i said HEY scum HAD TO HAVE bussed d1 at some point, so DISREGARD the previous post like literally i'm either townreading someone erroneously (which is possible but i was being pretty thorough there so i don't think so) or bussing was going on regardless of whether or not cool is one of the three scum and by bussed i don't necessarily mean voted on, i mean reads in thread No, I don't think this is right if i'm honest... -pats on head- then by all means find where it's wrong ok, the thing is there is barely anything to suggest that either rels or me bused coolTL. I thought he was scum pretty early on and so did Rels. Both of us didn't make overexaggerated tunnels about it either which is what I did with CopCake. That's why I only piece together a potential bus between GB and coolTL where there's some things that can suggest it, but not between Rels/coolTL. that's cool so you think cool is scum and rels is scum but you don't think rels is bussing cool sounds legit No, I actually think there's rather a chance coolTL is town. I thought he had TMI on you early, and it still is really fucking weird he defended you that hard, but this might just be a case of too bad to be Mafia. Literally the way he can try to seem as townie as possible is to just not post anything as everything is just a flip flop and contradiction. He also repeated multiple times he would push me if coolTLname flipped town; it could indicate a mafia preparing his next mislynch. 4. Moosy said he was the first to vote and push coolTLname; trying to get the credit at the time of being the first. + Show Spoiler +Everything explained there: On October 02 2015 05:01 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..? That is just false. *I* was the first to push for coolTLname's lynch. Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 21:21 Rels wrote:This first post by coolTLname is super scummy. It is his first post, and he talks about a lot of differents subjects. A first post with different subjects is scum indicative as mafia usually has a hard time entering the thread. Plus, I don't know how GB's posts being mechanical and rayn's posts being mechanical are mixed up. Plus, he agrees on a Moosy's posts that I don't understand. Plus, he next post is scummy too: On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote:
So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves? Two useless questions. After that he posted one more time and gtfo. *I* was the first to vote for him. Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 00:35 Rels wrote:alright leaving work super soon. Voting coolTLname for this: On September 30 2015 05:52 Rels wrote:still this more or less: On September 29 2015 21:21 Rels wrote:This first post by coolTLname is super scummy. It is his first post, and he talks about a lot of differents subjects. A first post with different subjects is scum indicative as mafia usually has a hard time entering the thread. Plus, I don't know how GB's posts being mechanical and rayn's posts being mechanical are mixed up. Plus, he agrees on a Moosy's posts that I don't understand. Plus, he next post is scummy too: On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote:
So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves? Two useless questions. After that he posted one more time and gtfo. without the Moosy part Plus he has refused to explain his weird GF read on you, so I cannot know if he has a reasonning behind it Plus he's clearly trolling, I don't know why a town under suspicion would act like that. But Dandel did exactly that last game, so that makes me wary of lynching him We didn't talk about him a lot recently, but I haven't forgot him. I want to see rsoultin's case on GB though, the thing about Damdred's meta being wrong on purpose. See you! ##Unvote##Vote coolTLname Then GB voted him a few hours later: Then YOU voted for him a few hours later: So this sentence is bullshit: "GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining." 5. Moosy associated heavily with Shining about this coolTLname's push. He said EOD2 he would read his filter. And now he says he has no idea about his alignment. + Show Spoiler +This is not scum indicative per se; but if Shining is mafia, this read progression indicates a possible partner; townreading him and associating with him when Shining was universally townread, doubting him when he was put under suspicions; but not reading his filter since and not having a read on Shining's alignement. On October 01 2015 21:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 21:32 rsoultin wrote:
also maybe i'm misremembering but i really don't believe you were instrumental in the cool lynch at all. being on it first isn't the same as being the main one pushing it or the reason it gained traction
anyway yeah i'm out for a bit again
don't call my lists useless please @.@ I mean, there was absolutely no intention to lynch him. Shining and I apparently came to the same conclusion at the same time though. We literally posted that coolTLname had TMI at the same time. Shining posted his thoughts 1 second before I voted for coolTL. Before that it was all about scott/rsoul. On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..? On October 04 2015 06:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ok wat let me read Shining's filter On October 05 2015 04:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 04:25 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, I don't really feel like reading your filter, and my memory is terrible.
Would you mind stating your reads on everyone? No reasons are necessary, I'll ask for reasons for a few specific people next. rsoultin - town Moosy - blue Trfel - town GlowingBear - idk rayn - town LightningStrike - Mafia Rels - Mafia sicklucker - town Shining - idk
Then who ? I think Trfel, rayn and GB are town. I'll read their filters all the same tomorrow though, but right now by poe we have:
rsoultin: nitpicking over a things that doesn't make me scum. Looking for scum explanation for everything I do. Townread shining, sheeping damdred s read when damdred is dead and we don't know if he would have re evaluated. Didnt have definite scumreads until middle of D1, when she scumread Marv and I; she rescinded these reads when she got pushed, and didn't acquire new reads until D2. Since then, have not re evaluated.
LS: didnt do anything that I remember. Lots of excuses and comments that doesn't add anything. Sheeped apathetically coolTLname s lynch yesterday, while calling it weird.
sicklucker: lots of comment on a lot of subjects. Seems to be lacking a direction. Maybe lied about him and rayn being the first to push coolTLname. Had no real opinion of the Marv push on rsoultin.
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On October 05 2015 07:02 rsoultin wrote:
hi rels ^^
<3
hi rsoul
good night
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@sicklucker
I want to talk to you about your GB's scumread. Answer to this post when you're here.
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On October 05 2015 08:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:![[image loading]](http://i59.tinypic.com/fk5wd0.jpg) ##vote The_Shining
So you randomed the guy you discussed being scummy yesterday
Suuuuure p:
##Vote The Shining
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Shining's read evolution on Moosy doesn't make sense
Shining started having suspicions starting with this post:
On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote:
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Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them.
Since then, he questionned Moosy about a lot of stuff, his read logically increasing towards scuminess. The way it is done is so weird; he's finding a scummy point, asking Moosy a question, then accepting the explanation at face value. Then is starts again. Trfel definitely hit a point with this; this is a weird way to scumhunt (begging to be proving false by your target, so you can drop the scumread afterwards), and it is NOT Shining's meta to scumhunt like that, as demonstrated in Trfel's case. Exemples are:
+ Show Spoiler +About Moosy's rsoultin read: On October 02 2015 05:17 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 11:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also, coolTLname, I hope you realize rsoul was in no way confirmed town? At the start, she was as ambiguous as usual, and it took my shit fight with her to understand exactly what she was looking into. After that, she acted really scummy by changing reads for no reason which several people picked up on including me. Obviously both rayn and marv were too dense to listen to her explanation afterwards, but your unwavering support for her is really, really out of place. OK calling rayn and Marv too dense to listen to her explanation after saying you picked up on her changing reads and found it scummy implies you agreed with the scumread but then listened to her explanation and believed it. Is this true? If so, what's your current read on RSo? On October 02 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 05:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:17 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 11:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also, coolTLname, I hope you realize rsoul was in no way confirmed town? At the start, she was as ambiguous as usual, and it took my shit fight with her to understand exactly what she was looking into. After that, she acted really scummy by changing reads for no reason which several people picked up on including me. Obviously both rayn and marv were too dense to listen to her explanation afterwards, but your unwavering support for her is really, really out of place. OK calling rayn and Marv too dense to listen to her explanation after saying you picked up on her changing reads and found it scummy implies you agreed with the scumread but then listened to her explanation and believed it. Is this true? If so, what's your current read on RSo? town because coolTL spewed her as it. OK so town because coolTL spewed her as it but for no other reason? In a twisted world where cool flips town (I don't think he will but bare with me), what happens to that read? What about what I asked you regarding her explanation for her change in reads? Before cool spewed her town, did you think she was town? On October 02 2015 06:00 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 05:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:17 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 11:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also, coolTLname, I hope you realize rsoul was in no way confirmed town? At the start, she was as ambiguous as usual, and it took my shit fight with her to understand exactly what she was looking into. After that, she acted really scummy by changing reads for no reason which several people picked up on including me. Obviously both rayn and marv were too dense to listen to her explanation afterwards, but your unwavering support for her is really, really out of place. OK calling rayn and Marv too dense to listen to her explanation after saying you picked up on her changing reads and found it scummy implies you agreed with the scumread but then listened to her explanation and believed it. Is this true? If so, what's your current read on RSo? town because coolTL spewed her as it. OK so town because coolTL spewed her as it but for no other reason? In a twisted world where cool flips town (I don't think he will but bare with me), what happens to that read? What about what I asked you regarding her explanation for her change in reads? Before cool spewed her town, did you think she was town? Ok read progression? I didn't understand what she was saying at the start of the thread so I pushed her for it. I was satisfied with her explanations and then town read her. Then she made a weird change in her reads and I scum read her for it while marv/rayn pushed her. I was satisfied with her explanations and then town read her. Then she did another weird read change with GB and now has practically no direction which is a scum trait from her. So my read on her is currently deteriorating from town. However, I still hold that coolTL will flip scum and spew her town. In the case that doesn't happen I'll have to re-read the game again although I think I have a good idea as to where to look. Yeah you picked up on that I was asking for. Read progression. So you've flipped back and forth between town and scum on her a bunch of times. That's questionable, since I know scum has a hard time pushing and maintaining scumreads. Can you answer my post regarding the vote and train? On October 02 2015 06:01 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 05:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
As I've explained for multiple times now, this is around the time that I head home so I will do so. Oh right OK see ya when ya get home, ill be here pretty much all day lol About Moosy pocketing him: On October 02 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 08:20 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 08:13 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 07:11 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 06:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 06:37 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:46 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:29 The Shining wrote:
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Hrm this is true. And although I started being suspicious of cool pretty early over the Marv non-read, I was actually the last to vote him. I wasn't even really pushing cool, I was still questioning him before I caught his chainsaw RSo defense. Sigh I guess I'll respond to this too. It doesn't make a difference. Rels and GB's votes didn't do much to start the wagon . It was only after you and me voted for coolTL that the wagon actually started. On October 01 2015 06:00 KelsierSC wrote:Day 1 Recall List rsoultin (2): Trfel, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, , Rels, scott31337, GlowingBear (2): Damdred, coolTLname Trfel (2): GlowingBear, Rels, LightningStrike, sicklucker coolTLname (5): Rels, GlowingBear, MoosyDoosy, scott31337, TheShining raynpelikoneet (0): coolTLname, MoosyDoosymarvellosity (0): Damdred, scott31337 (1): marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, sickluckerNot listing (1): rsoultin, Tonight, I will be banning coolTLname permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey.
Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. But I was the last vote on that train...you were 3rd...neither of us started that train...why are you lying/misrepresenting? Moosy pls Okay so I made a mistake to not see people were voting for coolTL other than me. I was just super excited that we both drew the exact same conclusion at the exact same time which is why I gave us all the credit. Either way, the coolTL wagon only became a real thing when we voted for coolTL and said he had TMI to make scott move over and make even rayn unvote to have doubts. Yeaaaaa...I kind of thought the same but with the sequence of events and the other votes on cool, it felt like a pocket attempt while subscribing to my train of thought. Here's why: On October 01 2015 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##unvote
##vote coolTLname
This is scum with TMI about rsoul. This post came 2 minutes after this post of mine: On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:06 coolTLname wrote:On October 01 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote:
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If I'm understanding this right, marv is pushing your townread super hard for lynch. How is his alignment not relevant?
Why would you say you're going to do something and then not do it? And then do the same thing with rso past games instead? I don't understand this how is saying he is mafia or town going to change his vote? i have better things to do such as defend rsoultin directly or accuse the glowing bear/ rayn and possibly sicklucker one of whom have 3 votes on. Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me. this went through my mind but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched? pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah >< i still think this isn't gb's town game all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way. Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here. Just enough time to read this post and make your short post after my prompting because I was already on the track to thinking cool had TMI. That was also your first post in 2 hours but you don't mention anything else and just latch onto the coolTLname TMI case. ... ...? because I was busy and literally thought of coolTLname, logged in, voted him, thought of reasoning, quoted it onto rayn's post then left Wait so you voted him to get on the wagon and THEN thought of reasoning for it? What?? This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning. Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad. On October 02 2015 08:32 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 08:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 08:20 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 08:13 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 07:11 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 06:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 06:37 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:46 The Shining wrote:
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But I was the last vote on that train...you were 3rd...neither of us started that train...why are you lying/misrepresenting? Moosy pls Okay so I made a mistake to not see people were voting for coolTL other than me. I was just super excited that we both drew the exact same conclusion at the exact same time which is why I gave us all the credit. Either way, the coolTL wagon only became a real thing when we voted for coolTL and said he had TMI to make scott move over and make even rayn unvote to have doubts. Yeaaaaa...I kind of thought the same but with the sequence of events and the other votes on cool, it felt like a pocket attempt while subscribing to my train of thought. Here's why: On October 01 2015 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##unvote
##vote coolTLname
This is scum with TMI about rsoul. This post came 2 minutes after this post of mine: On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:
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Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.
Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me. this went through my mind but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched? pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah >< i still think this isn't gb's town game all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way. Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here. Just enough time to read this post and make your short post after my prompting because I was already on the track to thinking cool had TMI. That was also your first post in 2 hours but you don't mention anything else and just latch onto the coolTLname TMI case. ... ...? because I was busy and literally thought of coolTLname, logged in, voted him, thought of reasoning, quoted it onto rayn's post then left Wait so you voted him to get on the wagon and THEN thought of reasoning for it? What?? This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning. Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad. you were accusing me of pocketing? lol, to tell the truth I didn't even read your post on coolTL until after the flip as you can go back and see. I was. And if you didn't read my post on cool, and hadn't posted for 2 hours before your vote and staying he had TMI, then how could you have read anything to decide he had TmI? On October 02 2015 08:35 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 08:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Shining are you seriously entertaining a Mossy lynch over coolTLname? Meh, not after his explained read progression. I thought I caught a slip but him explaining it makes slightly more sense. It's just alarming to me that Moosy is on my radar and I still think LS could flip scum and they both voted coolTL. There is absolutely no way they're all scum together.
The scumread culminated in these posts:
On October 02 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1. And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town.
On October 02 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 08:20 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 08:13 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 07:11 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 06:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 06:37 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:46 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:29 The Shining wrote:
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Hrm this is true. And although I started being suspicious of cool pretty early over the Marv non-read, I was actually the last to vote him. I wasn't even really pushing cool, I was still questioning him before I caught his chainsaw RSo defense. Sigh I guess I'll respond to this too. It doesn't make a difference. Rels and GB's votes didn't do much to start the wagon . It was only after you and me voted for coolTL that the wagon actually started. On October 01 2015 06:00 KelsierSC wrote:Day 1 Recall List rsoultin (2): Trfel, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, , Rels, scott31337, GlowingBear (2): Damdred, coolTLname Trfel (2): GlowingBear, Rels, LightningStrike, sicklucker coolTLname (5): Rels, GlowingBear, MoosyDoosy, scott31337, TheShining raynpelikoneet (0): coolTLname, MoosyDoosymarvellosity (0): Damdred, scott31337 (1): marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, sickluckerNot listing (1): rsoultin, Tonight, I will be banning coolTLname permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey.
Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. But I was the last vote on that train...you were 3rd...neither of us started that train...why are you lying/misrepresenting? Moosy pls Okay so I made a mistake to not see people were voting for coolTL other than me. I was just super excited that we both drew the exact same conclusion at the exact same time which is why I gave us all the credit. Either way, the coolTL wagon only became a real thing when we voted for coolTL and said he had TMI to make scott move over and make even rayn unvote to have doubts. Yeaaaaa...I kind of thought the same but with the sequence of events and the other votes on cool, it felt like a pocket attempt while subscribing to my train of thought. Here's why: On October 01 2015 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##unvote
##vote coolTLname
This is scum with TMI about rsoul. This post came 2 minutes after this post of mine: On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:06 coolTLname wrote:On October 01 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote:
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If I'm understanding this right, marv is pushing your townread super hard for lynch. How is his alignment not relevant?
Why would you say you're going to do something and then not do it? And then do the same thing with rso past games instead? I don't understand this how is saying he is mafia or town going to change his vote? i have better things to do such as defend rsoultin directly or accuse the glowing bear/ rayn and possibly sicklucker one of whom have 3 votes on. Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me. this went through my mind but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched? pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah >< i still think this isn't gb's town game all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way. Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here. Just enough time to read this post and make your short post after my prompting because I was already on the track to thinking cool had TMI. That was also your first post in 2 hours but you don't mention anything else and just latch onto the coolTLname TMI case. ... ...? because I was busy and literally thought of coolTLname, logged in, voted him, thought of reasoning, quoted it onto rayn's post then left Wait so you voted him to get on the wagon and THEN thought of reasoning for it? What?? This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning. Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad.
Then Shining drops his suspicions on Moosy on two things: saying Moosy explanation made "slightly more sense" and a mindmeld:
On October 02 2015 08:35 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 08:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Shining are you seriously entertaining a Mossy lynch over coolTLname? Meh, not after his explained read progression. I thought I caught a slip but him explaining it makes slightly more sense. It's just alarming to me that Moosy is on my radar and I still think LS could flip scum and they both voted coolTL. There is absolutely no way they're all scum together.
On October 03 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 11:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
did anyone notice he literally revokes everything he said and did in that post of his... Actually yeah wow this. Bah Moosy can be town, there's no way we keep having mind melds like this.
Since then, no more suspicions on Moosy. He even agrees with stuff he's saying, treating him as a town:
On October 03 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 00:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I am looking at coolTL/LS and Rels/LS. There's a third floating but I'm not too worried as these two should give us a huge start. I'm pretty much here as well. But the first one is kind of unlikely to me. Rayn was supposed to explain under what circumstances LS would bus cool D1 but I don't remember reading that. That was the post that piqued my curiosity that I was waiting for but I didn't see it.
This read progression doesn't make sense on two points:
- Shining asking Moosy questions about his suspicions, begging to be proven false. This makes even less sense if you believe the part on Trfel's case that demonstrate Shining doesn't scumhunt like that
- Shining totally dropping his suspicions over an explanation that "slightly makes more sense than the accusation" and a mindmeld
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Moosy's read progression on Shining, or more precisely lack of, doesn't make sense
MoosyDoosy's read of Shining has been set in stone since the beginning of the game: null. But what he says about Shining fluctuates with the thread sentimennt; taking things from Shining when he is universally townread; then being doubtful about him when he is under suspicion.
1. Moosy had Shining as a null read all game.
2. when Shining is universally townread N1 / start of D2, Moosy is associating with him.
3. when Shining is under suspicion from Trfel, rayn and I, and Trfel was trying to push people to switch to Shining, Moosy doesn't know about Shining and says he needs to filter dives him. It's been 35 hours since and he hasn't done it
4. right now, when Shining is a lynch candidate from several players, Moosy still hasn't filter dive him and doesn't not have a read on him.
1. Moosy has Shining as null all game:
D1:
On September 30 2015 09:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Town:
rsoultin (w/ NocturneMage)
Glowingbear
LightningStrike
Rels
sicklucker
Damdred
Thoughts on this town list?
On September 30 2015 10:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Shining may or may not be town.
EOD2:
On October 05 2015 04:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 04:25 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, I don't really feel like reading your filter, and my memory is terrible.
Would you mind stating your reads on everyone? No reasons are necessary, I'll ask for reasons for a few specific people next. rsoultin - town Moosy - blue Trfel - town GlowingBear - idk rayn - town LightningStrike - Mafia Rels - Mafia sicklucker - town Shining - idk
2. Moosy associating with Shining when Shining is universally townread:
I put it in spoiler 'cause it's long:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 05:53 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:41 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:06 coolTLname wrote:On October 01 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 04:54 coolTLname wrote:
marv is irrelevant at the moment, so i have not checked yet. If I'm understanding this right, marv is pushing your townread super hard for lynch. How is his alignment not relevant? Why would you say you're going to do something and then not do it? And then do the same thing with rso past games instead? I don't understand this how is saying he is mafia or town going to change his vote? i have better things to do such as defend rsoultin directly or accuse the glowing bear/ rayn and possibly sicklucker one of whom have 3 votes on. Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me. this went through my mind but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched? pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah >< i still think this isn't gb's town game all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way. Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here. scumRso has targeted and successfull pushed townHF (though to be fair he mostly did that to himself by going bananas) like i know i'm town but i can't really explain it beyond i think it's clear i'm trying to get reads even in the midst of this shitstorm? but um yeah i don't really get the chainsaw defend either. like i know i've been lenient toward him and was defending him in our first game, too, when he got modkilled but...he does seem more certain than i'd expect him to be. i really don't know what to make of it? I'm making of it what Moosy made of it. Feels like tmi and he even went out of his way to dig up some town games of yours when he wouldn't do that for someone he indirectly said could be scum and now is calling irrelevant. Like, is Marv ever irrelevant? Please tell me you guys did not ignore this post. On October 01 2015 11:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 11:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I just got home and WHY DID YOU FUCKING LYNCH SCOTT WHEN HE HAD CLAIMED ! SHOT TRACKER? I going to read now but I very pissed at you guys for lynching him..... Perfect. I have questions for you. There is no way for you to have made this post unless you had actually been reading the thread up to that point: Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 05:59 LightningStrike wrote:
Holy shit so many pages to read. Luckily I finally got back early from lab so I'm here right now I see we lynching either scott, rsoultin, and coolTLname. I really torn because I still think Tina is town scott I had nullish and coolTLname seems like a odd ball guy. So who you guys thin is the best lynch between Scott or coolTLname? scott hadn't actually been a serious lynch candidate except for in the eyes of rayn and had only been a recent development. coolTLname wasn't really being considered either until me and Shining posted about him. I'd like for you to explain how you got these people for your lynch list. On October 01 2015 21:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 21:32 rsoultin wrote:
also maybe i'm misremembering but i really don't believe you were instrumental in the cool lynch at all. being on it first isn't the same as being the main one pushing it or the reason it gained traction
anyway yeah i'm out for a bit again
don't call my lists useless please @.@ I mean, there was absolutely no intention to lynch him. Shining and I apparently came to the same conclusion at the same time though. We literally posted that coolTLname had TMI at the same time. Shining posted his thoughts 1 second before I voted for coolTL. Before that it was all about scott/rsoul. On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..? On October 02 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 05:32 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:29 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:04 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..? So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ??????????? I gave explanation for GB. My point on you still stands. I do not see you pushing on coolTL at all. I probably pushed coolTLname more than you. Even if that's not the case, I was the first the suspect him, and I voted him before leaving work, 5 hours before you More than that, I don't understand you saying to GB "maybe you don't realize, but I was the first to vote coolTLname" when GB voted him 2 HOURS BEFORE YOU Woah calm down. Why is your response changing so much from this one? On October 02 2015 05:24 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:04 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..? So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ??????????? I gave explanation for GB. My point on you still stands. I do not see you pushing on coolTL at all. Your point on me is true, so I can't say anything about that. But if you think coolTLname is scum, this GB's read is retarded. He was trying to get people to lynch coolTLname over scott! If he was mafia he would shut up and let things happen There's no need to yell. Calm down. what exactly is changing ? I mean A. even if you voted for him with GB it didn't make much of a difference and the wagon didn't really get going until me and Shining voted for coolTL. Also, in one your responding calmly and accepting my point. Then you bring it up again and start swinging with it? ok. On October 02 2015 09:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 09:01 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 08:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:Oh yea Shining you might wanna check this out. We did kinda start a big wagon lol. On October 01 2015 06:50 KelsierSC wrote:Day 1 Recall List rsoultin (2): Trfel, raynpelikoneet, Rels, GlowingBear (2): Damdred, coolTLname, rsoultin Trfel (1): GlowingBear, Rels, LightningStrike, sicklucker coolTLname (7): Rels, GlowingBear, MoosyDoosy, scott31337, TheShining, LightningStrike, marvellosity raynpelikoneet (0): coolTLname, MoosyDoosyscott31337 (1): Damdred, marvellosity, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, sickluckerLightningStrike (0): raynpelikoneet, scott31337 Not listing (0): Tonight, I will be banning coolTLname permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey.
Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. Lol. I guess. You and I just have different opinions on what started means. I thought you meant started as in the hardest pushes from the beginning of D1 but it looks like you meant we were the votes that put the wagon into the lead and got people to switch. Am I right? yes. i feel like i've been saying this for the longest time. -.- On October 02 2015 22:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 22:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I mean, I might be shooting myself in the foot right now, but I can see a world where coolTL is not scum and just bad townie. Like really bad townie admittedly but I can see it. This is what I was referring to when I hinted it to Shining earlier.
3. Moosy starts suspecting Shining at EOD2, when Shining is under suspicion. Note the second post: "I will look into Shining after we mislynch Rels and the game is over":
On October 04 2015 05:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 05:10 Trfel wrote:On October 04 2015 05:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 04 2015 05:08 coolTLname wrote:
I know! its because underneath all your anger, you actually think i could be town and ur waiting until i flip to save energy. :D If you're alive, you're a liability to town. Also find it funny that you're the sc2mafia role mechanics dude and you don't know what a roleblocker is. What do you think about The Shining? Shining is worth looking into if coolTL is scum.
On October 04 2015 05:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 05:11 Trfel wrote:On October 04 2015 05:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 04 2015 05:10 Trfel wrote:On October 04 2015 05:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 04 2015 05:08 coolTLname wrote:
I know! its because underneath all your anger, you actually think i could be town and ur waiting until i flip to save energy. :D If you're alive, you're a liability to town. Also find it funny that you're the sc2mafia role mechanics dude and you don't know what a roleblocker is. What do you think about The Shining? Shining is worth looking into if coolTL is scum. Why not if coolTLname is town? If coolTL is town, Rels is scum and I go after him. Then I'll look into Shining.
3 bis. Moosy says he is filter diving Shining 35 hours ago, still no result:
On October 04 2015 06:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ok wat let me read Shining's filter
4. At EON2 Moosy still has no read about Shining:
On October 05 2015 04:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 04:25 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, I don't really feel like reading your filter, and my memory is terrible.
Would you mind stating your reads on everyone? No reasons are necessary, I'll ask for reasons for a few specific people next. rsoultin - town Moosy - blue Trfel - town GlowingBear - idk rayn - town LightningStrike - Mafia Rels - Mafia sicklucker - town Shining - idk
It doesn't make sense on three points:
- Moosy associates himself with Shining, who was universally townread at the time; yet he never once calls Shining town (or mafia, for what it's worth)
- Shining and Moosy had a lot of interactions, so it is weird that Moosy does not have any idea about Shining's alignement at any point in the game
- Moosy said he was going to filter dive Shining 35 hours ago when a Shining switch was discussed; still hasn't done it
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^ A mistake above: the first "EOD2" should be "EON2" like that:
EOD2EON2:
On October 05 2015 04:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 04:25 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, I don't really feel like reading your filter, and my memory is terrible.
Would you mind stating your reads on everyone? No reasons are necessary, I'll ask for reasons for a few specific people next. rsoultin - town Moosy - blue Trfel - town GlowingBear - idk rayn - town LightningStrike - Mafia Rels - Mafia sicklucker - town Shining - idk
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rsoultin's reasons for scumreading me mostly based on meta that is easily disproved by a meta check
On October 05 2015 06:56 rsoultin wrote:
Rels - his investment is small, his brain has left the building, he doesn't even know his own mind and claims that he was having doubts on cool before the wall post of fluff where nothing in his posting leading up to that indicates that he plans to consider lynching anyone but cool (scumreads aside, just check his filter). his push on cool was asinine given cool had said many times that he'd played on whatever that site is, SC2, that is pretty roles based. must be a smurf or a lurker. tch. he keeps missing things from context that either strongly suggests he doesn't care what he's reading, is deliberately ignoring it, or is only reading filters and not the thread. lynch with fire
Most of this is based on the fact I should be playing smarter, and I should push my reads harder. This could be a valid accusation if I was always playing like that as town. But a simple meta check on my past games would have made her doubt.
In two games where I was town, I didn't push my scumreads hard, and almost got lynched for that in both games.
Newbie student Mafia XI => Day 1, I didn't hard push a scumread, defaulting to geript because I wasn't available at deadline. I was almost lynched D1 for that; if batsnacks hadn't found a non existent "slip" on geript, I would have been the lynch. That changed D2 when I started to play like usual.
The New Personality Mafia => Day 1, I didn't do shit. I was suspected heavily and almost lynched D2 for that; if yamato wasn't jester and rayn didn't create a stupid reason to townread yamato and hammer me, I was probably dead. That changed EOD2 when I started playing like usual.
And in the only game I was mafia:
Season of the Witch 2 => Day 1, I was the driving force on Dandel's push, and managed to get him mislynched.
Now in this game: I didn't hard push coolTLname D1 because I was not available to play most of EOD, only coming back near deadline; and because before leaving work, I pushed rsoultin, before re evaluating, and thus didn't have time to do a proper push on coolTLname. Nevertheless, I would have lynched him if Damdred hadn't counterclaim. Starting D2, I started playing like usual, so I don't know if this "asinine" comment also refered to my push on coolTLname D2; if that's the case, that's false; you can see me debating with Trfel about coolTLname around 32 hours after start of D2 for example.
rsoultin said she based her feeling on the coaching she did to me:
On October 04 2015 23:59 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 23:27 Rels wrote:On October 04 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:On October 04 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote:
I'm sorry, I tried to explain that coolTLname was town.
If I were better at this game I would have been able to explain it.
CoolTLname, I'm sorry. I really tried.
I think that no lynch here might be the right play, actually. Let's go with that.
And I think Rels might get a permanent townread because he's the only person in this game that I've actually enjoyed playing with. I'd rather lose to mafia!Rels than lynch him, honestly. meh idk like why is his assumption when a huge post full of fluff gets posted near EoD that the player must be town? OK rsoultin please read the following very carefully. You are a very annoying person to play withYesterday I've made a number of things, things that Trfel that you consider confirmed town kinda did as well; and each time, you found a reason mafia!me would do it. I said I would lynch Shining or Moosy, maybe Shining before Moosy; you thought it was scummy. But when "confirmed town" Trfel says he wants to lynch Shining, he's still town. I thought coolTLname as a bused mafia wouldn't make these giant posts before dying; and you think it was scummy. But when "confirmed town" Trfel fought for people not to lynch coolTLname, he's still town. Please stop bias confirming every action I make as mafia. the how is more important than the what, rels. i'm not sure about you. that may bother you but it is what it is. the fact of the matter is that to me truffle is all but confirmed town, both in how he's played the entire game and in how the votes fell when we were the two being pushed for lynch d1 that you don't grasp that i didn't see how your evidence for your shining vs. your evidence for moosy resulted in you wanting to lynch shining first, and that you couldn't explain it to me beyond "he's not posting as much" when just a simple look through the database (if you don't believe the rest of us) would show that shining will never post as much as moosy, is blah it's unworthy of your intelligence as for the thing with cool...maybe that's something a town player can see in his post, i don't know. the way you reacted seemed unnatural to me, especially for someone who was apparently so certain that cool was mafia. truffle already that cool was town so from him i can see it more, but for you to completely reverse your read based on a giant "will" post that was no more than summarizing things for pages... i don't get it maybe you should explain it instead of whining that i'm not treating you equally when you're not equal with truffle i knew he was town when he posted it again, because for some unknown reason he thought it was important enough to do so when he was definitely dying, but it looked a lot like a substanceless hail mary to me and i have a hard time seeing people who are scumreading him and aren't purely emotional, surface-level intellect players reacting the way you did sorry if this comes off condescending. i frankly think it's beneath you, though, and i know you're a very rational person because i coached you
So the accusation might be justified from her POV, if she hasn't read the three games above. But the fact that she did not bother to check other games and decided to apply meta from a coach session is super weird.
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On October 05 2015 19:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Rels, it's lylo. Who is the scummiest?
it's still evolving as I'm going through stuff; but Shining is the scummiest. And if he's scum, Moosy is scum, because their mutual reads of each other would suddenly make sense. Will do a post on that
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What are you reads ? And what do you think of Shining ?
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Shining's and Moosy's reads on each other makes sense if they are both scum
For why Shining's read on Moosy doesn't make sense, see this post
For why Moosy's read on Shining doesn't make sense, see this post
Resume:
Shining suspects Moosy on several points; asks Moosy about them; drops them after Moosy gives an explanation. His sudden townread on Moosy is based on a Moosy's explanation that makes "slightly more sense" than the scum accusation and a mindmeld.
Moosy had Shining as null the whole game, never stating a read on him. But he associated with him when Shining was universally townread; and he started showing doubts when Shining was a potential switch. He stated he was reading Shining's filter at EOD2 35 hours ago, and still haven't show anything that proves it; in his last list EON2, ~14 hours ago, Shining was "idk".
Now all of this makes sense if they are scum partners.
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Shining's stronger push (maybe outside of coolTLname) was on Moosy. That is a classic scum partner tell, as it is easier to scumread a scum partner than a townie that will fight back. His only arguably stronger push was on coolTLname, who was already pushed by 90% of the players and wouldn't fight back.
The way he handled that Moosy push is also scum partner indicative: asking him questions about something shady, accepting his explanation at face value, dropping the accusation. His final read on Moosy during D2 was town, over reasons that don't make sense (see the post above); since then he has been accepting Moosy as town, and chatted with him, never showing any suspicion about him.
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Moosy's refused to take a stance on Shining even once during the whole game. That also is a classic scum partner scum tell, as it's easier to not give a read on your partner just in case; whatever happens, you can change your read on him depending on the thread sentiment. The way he chatted and associated himself with Shining is incoherent with him not townreading him. Last thing, Moosy saying he is reading Shining filter EOD2, not saying anything about it since that time, and still putting him at null at EON2 is also indicative, as he's deflecting his scumreads on other people (LS, Rels) while avoiding the filter dive he said he was doing on his partner.
Conclusion
Shining and MoosyDoosy are mafia partners.
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MoosyDoosy's reasons for scumreading me are partly based on meta that are easily disproved by a meta check; and Moosy read the town games that disproved this meta
On October 05 2015 04:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Rels - Completely different from how he normally acts. When pursuing a scum read, he drops it immediately after one explanation which is very uncharacteristic of Rels. He also changes around his story to match the situation. There is no way that screaming about a person's supposedly scummy behavior is supposed to be a "town read". The whole time he was arguing with me, he continuously tried to fish for things as well. At this point, his scum read on me is forced.
The part about "I should be playing smarter and push scumreads harder" are dismissed for the same reasons I've explained here.
Resume
On October 05 2015 19:25 Rels wrote:Most of this is based on the fact I should be playing smarter, and I should push my reads harder. This could be a valid accusation if I was always playing like that as town. But a simple meta check on my past games would have made her doubt. In two games where I was town, I didn't push my scumreads hard, and almost got lynched for that in both games. Newbie student Mafia XI => Day 1, I didn't hard push a scumread, defaulting to geript because I wasn't available at deadline. I was almost lynched D1 for that; if batsnacks hadn't found a non existent "slip" on geript, I would have been the lynch. That changed D2 when I started to play like usual. The New Personality Mafia => Day 1, I didn't do shit. I was suspected heavily and almost lynched D2 for that; if yamato wasn't jester and rayn didn't create a stupid reason to townread yamato and hammer me, I was probably dead. That changed EOD2 when I started playing like usual. And in the only game I was mafia: Season of the Witch 2 => Day 1, I was the driving force on Dandel's push, and managed to get him mislynched.
BUT
Contrary to rsoultin, I know for a fact Moosy read the two town games referenced above. He was:
- playing in Newbie XI
- obsing the first days of personality
So Moosy should know I can act like that as town. Especially if I don't have the time to play at deadline, as it was the case both Newbie XI and in this game.
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Well I've said all I had to say about my scumreads; Shining and Moosy. Don't know who is the third, POE indicating rsoultin, LS or sicklucker.
Going to lunch, when I come back I'll read my townreads' filters so that's out of the way: rayn and GB. I'm pretty sure I won't change my read on them; actually I'm afraid to read their filters with town confirming bias ... I'll try my best to judge things impartially.
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On October 05 2015 20:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
-yawn-
Rels, you really are a dumb if you think my read progression on Shining doesn't make sense.
A. I hard townread Shining.
B. When literally everyone else suspects Shining, what am I supposed to do? Be like: oh I still townread him, screw reconsidering. Hello? Obviously not. That's anti-town and super scummy. I said I'd read his filter again just to make sure my townread was correct.
1. Both of those thing are proven false in my posts.
2. They are not directed to you anyway.
If anybody starts thinking something I've said is false, say it and we'll talk about it.
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On October 05 2015 20:53 rsoultin wrote:
nh...maybe
pretty sure shining is not scum but maybe you're not either @.@ i guess i'll poke through those games later
ftr rels i usually don't do meta reads on games i haven't played in. that's why i enlisted ls to do it. i feel like most times it's just shit cause i haven't actually been part of those games and don't know the atmosphere/context
really, though, that doesn't negate my suspicions on you? you really didn't appear to care who actually got lynched, which is even weirder cause in your world, everyone being voted for was town. and people who don't care between town mislynches while having townreads among them are usually mafia
and you forgetting what changed your scumread on cool to a townread is completely unbelievable, bah
just keep working if you're town. i guess i need to look into shining again to be sure i'm not defending scum but it's not gonna happen until after school
@GB - my reads post says it all
and frankly, even if i'm wrong on shining and moosy which is possible i guess, scum is still between you two and sicklucker and sicklucker's voting for shining
like i'm either really wrong or i'm wrong on just moosy and you two hard townreading each other without reconsidering is going to lose the game just as surely, and that you two do have these hard townreads on each other is making me itchy
ls is never scum here. he's just not -_- never ever ever
let's just stop talking to each other. I've explained where my coolTLname read came from: I've showed where he convinced me he was not a lurker reader, so it lessens my scumread. You don't believe it, fine. You are super frustrating to talk to and I don't want to do it anymore.
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