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okay boys.
rels, glowingbear or sicklucker
if i have to drag you people kicking and screaming i will, but rayn's already fucked up so we can't afford any more strays ^^
preference in that order of course but i'm not voting anyone else without one hell of a case
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rsoultin you realize we list the same people right. so ill let your horrid read on me slide
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On October 05 2015 09:52 sicklucker wrote:
rsoultin you realize we list the same people right. so ill let your horrid read on me slide
i realize that you're voting shining, who is not on my list, and if he's not scum and both you and rayn are town you've lost us the game already ^^ especially rayn
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so of three possible scum people want to vote the guy who doesn't have time on monday and tuesday to play
brilliant
it's a good scum move, though, not letting him defend himself ^^
rayn -_- i swear to god if shining's town and i think he is...even if he's scum really...and you just random your damn vote in fucking lylo i will be very, very upset with you
and you will never have any right again to complain about anyone playing badly or poorly when you are willfully throwing the game right now
at least do us the courtesy, if we're going to lose in lylo, of losing because you're voting for someone you actually believe is scum ><
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On October 05 2015 10:02 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 09:52 sicklucker wrote:
rsoultin you realize we list the same people right. so ill let your horrid read on me slide i realize that you're voting shining, who is not on my list, and if he's not scum and both you and rayn are town you've lost us the game already ^^ especially rayn
I really feel like hes the most likely to flip but im willing to compromise. we have to vote united with are town reads or we lose.
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On October 05 2015 10:55 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 10:02 rsoultin wrote:On October 05 2015 09:52 sicklucker wrote:
rsoultin you realize we list the same people right. so ill let your horrid read on me slide i realize that you're voting shining, who is not on my list, and if he's not scum and both you and rayn are town you've lost us the game already ^^ especially rayn I really feel like hes the most likely to flip but im willing to compromise. we have to vote united with are town reads or we lose.
indeed. i've said who i'll vote for. you're not my townread but honestly i don't see shining flipping scum and i'm aware that i can be wrong
though i really think that if i am wrong on you the last one is moosy. he still hasn't posted -_-
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On October 05 2015 11:45 sicklucker wrote:
so we vote rels or gb?
i'd prefer rels but ye
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@sicklucker
I want to talk to you about your GB's scumread. Answer to this post when you're here.
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On October 05 2015 08:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:![[image loading]](http://i59.tinypic.com/fk5wd0.jpg) ##vote The_Shining
So you randomed the guy you discussed being scummy yesterday
Suuuuure p:
##Vote The Shining
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Will post some stuff as I check things from the top of my head. No real cases, more like scummy points of people that might be used later on cases unless refuted.
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Shining's read evolution on Moosy doesn't make sense
Shining started having suspicions starting with this post:
On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote:
[...]
Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them.
Since then, he questionned Moosy about a lot of stuff, his read logically increasing towards scuminess. The way it is done is so weird; he's finding a scummy point, asking Moosy a question, then accepting the explanation at face value. Then is starts again. Trfel definitely hit a point with this; this is a weird way to scumhunt (begging to be proving false by your target, so you can drop the scumread afterwards), and it is NOT Shining's meta to scumhunt like that, as demonstrated in Trfel's case. Exemples are:
+ Show Spoiler +About Moosy's rsoultin read: On October 02 2015 05:17 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 11:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also, coolTLname, I hope you realize rsoul was in no way confirmed town? At the start, she was as ambiguous as usual, and it took my shit fight with her to understand exactly what she was looking into. After that, she acted really scummy by changing reads for no reason which several people picked up on including me. Obviously both rayn and marv were too dense to listen to her explanation afterwards, but your unwavering support for her is really, really out of place. OK calling rayn and Marv too dense to listen to her explanation after saying you picked up on her changing reads and found it scummy implies you agreed with the scumread but then listened to her explanation and believed it. Is this true? If so, what's your current read on RSo? On October 02 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 05:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:17 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 11:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also, coolTLname, I hope you realize rsoul was in no way confirmed town? At the start, she was as ambiguous as usual, and it took my shit fight with her to understand exactly what she was looking into. After that, she acted really scummy by changing reads for no reason which several people picked up on including me. Obviously both rayn and marv were too dense to listen to her explanation afterwards, but your unwavering support for her is really, really out of place. OK calling rayn and Marv too dense to listen to her explanation after saying you picked up on her changing reads and found it scummy implies you agreed with the scumread but then listened to her explanation and believed it. Is this true? If so, what's your current read on RSo? town because coolTL spewed her as it. OK so town because coolTL spewed her as it but for no other reason? In a twisted world where cool flips town (I don't think he will but bare with me), what happens to that read? What about what I asked you regarding her explanation for her change in reads? Before cool spewed her town, did you think she was town? On October 02 2015 06:00 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 05:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:17 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 11:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also, coolTLname, I hope you realize rsoul was in no way confirmed town? At the start, she was as ambiguous as usual, and it took my shit fight with her to understand exactly what she was looking into. After that, she acted really scummy by changing reads for no reason which several people picked up on including me. Obviously both rayn and marv were too dense to listen to her explanation afterwards, but your unwavering support for her is really, really out of place. OK calling rayn and Marv too dense to listen to her explanation after saying you picked up on her changing reads and found it scummy implies you agreed with the scumread but then listened to her explanation and believed it. Is this true? If so, what's your current read on RSo? town because coolTL spewed her as it. OK so town because coolTL spewed her as it but for no other reason? In a twisted world where cool flips town (I don't think he will but bare with me), what happens to that read? What about what I asked you regarding her explanation for her change in reads? Before cool spewed her town, did you think she was town? Ok read progression? I didn't understand what she was saying at the start of the thread so I pushed her for it. I was satisfied with her explanations and then town read her. Then she made a weird change in her reads and I scum read her for it while marv/rayn pushed her. I was satisfied with her explanations and then town read her. Then she did another weird read change with GB and now has practically no direction which is a scum trait from her. So my read on her is currently deteriorating from town. However, I still hold that coolTL will flip scum and spew her town. In the case that doesn't happen I'll have to re-read the game again although I think I have a good idea as to where to look. Yeah you picked up on that I was asking for. Read progression. So you've flipped back and forth between town and scum on her a bunch of times. That's questionable, since I know scum has a hard time pushing and maintaining scumreads. Can you answer my post regarding the vote and train? On October 02 2015 06:01 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 05:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
As I've explained for multiple times now, this is around the time that I head home so I will do so. Oh right OK see ya when ya get home, ill be here pretty much all day lol About Moosy pocketing him: On October 02 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 08:20 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 08:13 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 07:11 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 06:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 06:37 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:46 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:29 The Shining wrote:
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Hrm this is true. And although I started being suspicious of cool pretty early over the Marv non-read, I was actually the last to vote him. I wasn't even really pushing cool, I was still questioning him before I caught his chainsaw RSo defense. Sigh I guess I'll respond to this too. It doesn't make a difference. Rels and GB's votes didn't do much to start the wagon . It was only after you and me voted for coolTL that the wagon actually started. On October 01 2015 06:00 KelsierSC wrote:Day 1 Recall List rsoultin (2): Trfel, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, , Rels, scott31337, GlowingBear (2): Damdred, coolTLname Trfel (2): GlowingBear, Rels, LightningStrike, sicklucker coolTLname (5): Rels, GlowingBear, MoosyDoosy, scott31337, TheShining raynpelikoneet (0): coolTLname, MoosyDoosymarvellosity (0): Damdred, scott31337 (1): marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, sickluckerNot listing (1): rsoultin, Tonight, I will be banning coolTLname permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey.
Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. But I was the last vote on that train...you were 3rd...neither of us started that train...why are you lying/misrepresenting? Moosy pls Okay so I made a mistake to not see people were voting for coolTL other than me. I was just super excited that we both drew the exact same conclusion at the exact same time which is why I gave us all the credit. Either way, the coolTL wagon only became a real thing when we voted for coolTL and said he had TMI to make scott move over and make even rayn unvote to have doubts. Yeaaaaa...I kind of thought the same but with the sequence of events and the other votes on cool, it felt like a pocket attempt while subscribing to my train of thought. Here's why: On October 01 2015 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##unvote
##vote coolTLname
This is scum with TMI about rsoul. This post came 2 minutes after this post of mine: On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:06 coolTLname wrote:On October 01 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote:
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If I'm understanding this right, marv is pushing your townread super hard for lynch. How is his alignment not relevant?
Why would you say you're going to do something and then not do it? And then do the same thing with rso past games instead? I don't understand this how is saying he is mafia or town going to change his vote? i have better things to do such as defend rsoultin directly or accuse the glowing bear/ rayn and possibly sicklucker one of whom have 3 votes on. Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me. this went through my mind but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched? pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah >< i still think this isn't gb's town game all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way. Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here. Just enough time to read this post and make your short post after my prompting because I was already on the track to thinking cool had TMI. That was also your first post in 2 hours but you don't mention anything else and just latch onto the coolTLname TMI case. ... ...? because I was busy and literally thought of coolTLname, logged in, voted him, thought of reasoning, quoted it onto rayn's post then left Wait so you voted him to get on the wagon and THEN thought of reasoning for it? What?? This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning. Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad. On October 02 2015 08:32 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 08:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 08:20 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 08:13 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 07:11 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 06:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 06:37 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:46 The Shining wrote:
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But I was the last vote on that train...you were 3rd...neither of us started that train...why are you lying/misrepresenting? Moosy pls Okay so I made a mistake to not see people were voting for coolTL other than me. I was just super excited that we both drew the exact same conclusion at the exact same time which is why I gave us all the credit. Either way, the coolTL wagon only became a real thing when we voted for coolTL and said he had TMI to make scott move over and make even rayn unvote to have doubts. Yeaaaaa...I kind of thought the same but with the sequence of events and the other votes on cool, it felt like a pocket attempt while subscribing to my train of thought. Here's why: On October 01 2015 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##unvote
##vote coolTLname
This is scum with TMI about rsoul. This post came 2 minutes after this post of mine: On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:
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Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.
Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me. this went through my mind but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched? pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah >< i still think this isn't gb's town game all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way. Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here. Just enough time to read this post and make your short post after my prompting because I was already on the track to thinking cool had TMI. That was also your first post in 2 hours but you don't mention anything else and just latch onto the coolTLname TMI case. ... ...? because I was busy and literally thought of coolTLname, logged in, voted him, thought of reasoning, quoted it onto rayn's post then left Wait so you voted him to get on the wagon and THEN thought of reasoning for it? What?? This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning. Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad. you were accusing me of pocketing? lol, to tell the truth I didn't even read your post on coolTL until after the flip as you can go back and see. I was. And if you didn't read my post on cool, and hadn't posted for 2 hours before your vote and staying he had TMI, then how could you have read anything to decide he had TmI? On October 02 2015 08:35 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 08:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Shining are you seriously entertaining a Mossy lynch over coolTLname? Meh, not after his explained read progression. I thought I caught a slip but him explaining it makes slightly more sense. It's just alarming to me that Moosy is on my radar and I still think LS could flip scum and they both voted coolTL. There is absolutely no way they're all scum together.
The scumread culminated in these posts:
On October 02 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1. And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town.
On October 02 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 08:20 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 08:13 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 07:11 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 06:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 06:37 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:46 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:29 The Shining wrote:
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Hrm this is true. And although I started being suspicious of cool pretty early over the Marv non-read, I was actually the last to vote him. I wasn't even really pushing cool, I was still questioning him before I caught his chainsaw RSo defense. Sigh I guess I'll respond to this too. It doesn't make a difference. Rels and GB's votes didn't do much to start the wagon . It was only after you and me voted for coolTL that the wagon actually started. On October 01 2015 06:00 KelsierSC wrote:Day 1 Recall List rsoultin (2): Trfel, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, , Rels, scott31337, GlowingBear (2): Damdred, coolTLname Trfel (2): GlowingBear, Rels, LightningStrike, sicklucker coolTLname (5): Rels, GlowingBear, MoosyDoosy, scott31337, TheShining raynpelikoneet (0): coolTLname, MoosyDoosymarvellosity (0): Damdred, scott31337 (1): marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, sickluckerNot listing (1): rsoultin, Tonight, I will be banning coolTLname permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey.
Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. But I was the last vote on that train...you were 3rd...neither of us started that train...why are you lying/misrepresenting? Moosy pls Okay so I made a mistake to not see people were voting for coolTL other than me. I was just super excited that we both drew the exact same conclusion at the exact same time which is why I gave us all the credit. Either way, the coolTL wagon only became a real thing when we voted for coolTL and said he had TMI to make scott move over and make even rayn unvote to have doubts. Yeaaaaa...I kind of thought the same but with the sequence of events and the other votes on cool, it felt like a pocket attempt while subscribing to my train of thought. Here's why: On October 01 2015 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##unvote
##vote coolTLname
This is scum with TMI about rsoul. This post came 2 minutes after this post of mine: On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:06 coolTLname wrote:On October 01 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote:
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If I'm understanding this right, marv is pushing your townread super hard for lynch. How is his alignment not relevant?
Why would you say you're going to do something and then not do it? And then do the same thing with rso past games instead? I don't understand this how is saying he is mafia or town going to change his vote? i have better things to do such as defend rsoultin directly or accuse the glowing bear/ rayn and possibly sicklucker one of whom have 3 votes on. Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me. this went through my mind but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched? pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah >< i still think this isn't gb's town game all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way. Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here. Just enough time to read this post and make your short post after my prompting because I was already on the track to thinking cool had TMI. That was also your first post in 2 hours but you don't mention anything else and just latch onto the coolTLname TMI case. ... ...? because I was busy and literally thought of coolTLname, logged in, voted him, thought of reasoning, quoted it onto rayn's post then left Wait so you voted him to get on the wagon and THEN thought of reasoning for it? What?? This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning. Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad.
Then Shining drops his suspicions on Moosy on two things: saying Moosy explanation made "slightly more sense" and a mindmeld:
On October 02 2015 08:35 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 08:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Shining are you seriously entertaining a Mossy lynch over coolTLname? Meh, not after his explained read progression. I thought I caught a slip but him explaining it makes slightly more sense. It's just alarming to me that Moosy is on my radar and I still think LS could flip scum and they both voted coolTL. There is absolutely no way they're all scum together.
On October 03 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 11:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
did anyone notice he literally revokes everything he said and did in that post of his... Actually yeah wow this. Bah Moosy can be town, there's no way we keep having mind melds like this.
Since then, no more suspicions on Moosy. He even agrees with stuff he's saying, treating him as a town:
On October 03 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 00:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I am looking at coolTL/LS and Rels/LS. There's a third floating but I'm not too worried as these two should give us a huge start. I'm pretty much here as well. But the first one is kind of unlikely to me. Rayn was supposed to explain under what circumstances LS would bus cool D1 but I don't remember reading that. That was the post that piqued my curiosity that I was waiting for but I didn't see it.
This read progression doesn't make sense on two points:
- Shining asking Moosy questions about his suspicions, begging to be proven false. This makes even less sense if you believe the part on Trfel's case that demonstrate Shining doesn't scumhunt like that
- Shining totally dropping his suspicions over an explanation that "slightly makes more sense than the accusation" and a mindmeld
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On October 05 2015 07:49 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 07:35 GlowingBear wrote:On October 05 2015 07:29 rsoultin wrote:On October 05 2015 07:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 05 2015 07:06 rsoultin wrote:
to be more precise, gb, your "reaction test" had no goal at all
or perhaps you'd like to explain it? If cool TL was scum the scum team would try to switch their votes to anyone else. Cool TL wasn't Mafia. I couldn't draw any conclusions. I've already explained what the reaction test was mhm and you didn't find it weird that trfel voted shining with you? or that no one else wanted to switch off cool? No because as I said it dependent on the flip and cool TL flipped town. Scum could've keep their votes wherever they wanted and you decided to post "meh, we're hitting town" while changing your vote back instead of just saying it was a reaction test because why?
I kept trying to see if people would propose another lynch while I secured my vote on cool TL because maybe I couldn't get back later
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Rels isn't mafia, I am not Mafia, get your head off your butt
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List all the reasons I'm Mafia. Explain Mafia motivation behind every single one.
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Also, explain to me why LS is town.
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Moosy's read progression on Shining, or more precisely lack of, doesn't make sense
MoosyDoosy's read of Shining has been set in stone since the beginning of the game: null. But what he says about Shining fluctuates with the thread sentimennt; taking things from Shining when he is universally townread; then being doubtful about him when he is under suspicion.
1. Moosy had Shining as a null read all game.
2. when Shining is universally townread N1 / start of D2, Moosy is associating with him.
3. when Shining is under suspicion from Trfel, rayn and I, and Trfel was trying to push people to switch to Shining, Moosy doesn't know about Shining and says he needs to filter dives him. It's been 35 hours since and he hasn't done it
4. right now, when Shining is a lynch candidate from several players, Moosy still hasn't filter dive him and doesn't not have a read on him.
1. Moosy has Shining as null all game:
D1:
On September 30 2015 09:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Town:
rsoultin (w/ NocturneMage)
Glowingbear
LightningStrike
Rels
sicklucker
Damdred
Thoughts on this town list?
On September 30 2015 10:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Shining may or may not be town.
EOD2:
On October 05 2015 04:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 04:25 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, I don't really feel like reading your filter, and my memory is terrible.
Would you mind stating your reads on everyone? No reasons are necessary, I'll ask for reasons for a few specific people next. rsoultin - town Moosy - blue Trfel - town GlowingBear - idk rayn - town LightningStrike - Mafia Rels - Mafia sicklucker - town Shining - idk
2. Moosy associating with Shining when Shining is universally townread:
I put it in spoiler 'cause it's long:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 05:53 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:41 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:06 coolTLname wrote:On October 01 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 04:54 coolTLname wrote:
marv is irrelevant at the moment, so i have not checked yet. If I'm understanding this right, marv is pushing your townread super hard for lynch. How is his alignment not relevant? Why would you say you're going to do something and then not do it? And then do the same thing with rso past games instead? I don't understand this how is saying he is mafia or town going to change his vote? i have better things to do such as defend rsoultin directly or accuse the glowing bear/ rayn and possibly sicklucker one of whom have 3 votes on. Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me. this went through my mind but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched? pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah >< i still think this isn't gb's town game all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way. Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here. scumRso has targeted and successfull pushed townHF (though to be fair he mostly did that to himself by going bananas) like i know i'm town but i can't really explain it beyond i think it's clear i'm trying to get reads even in the midst of this shitstorm? but um yeah i don't really get the chainsaw defend either. like i know i've been lenient toward him and was defending him in our first game, too, when he got modkilled but...he does seem more certain than i'd expect him to be. i really don't know what to make of it? I'm making of it what Moosy made of it. Feels like tmi and he even went out of his way to dig up some town games of yours when he wouldn't do that for someone he indirectly said could be scum and now is calling irrelevant. Like, is Marv ever irrelevant? Please tell me you guys did not ignore this post. On October 01 2015 11:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 11:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I just got home and WHY DID YOU FUCKING LYNCH SCOTT WHEN HE HAD CLAIMED ! SHOT TRACKER? I going to read now but I very pissed at you guys for lynching him..... Perfect. I have questions for you. There is no way for you to have made this post unless you had actually been reading the thread up to that point: Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 05:59 LightningStrike wrote:
Holy shit so many pages to read. Luckily I finally got back early from lab so I'm here right now I see we lynching either scott, rsoultin, and coolTLname. I really torn because I still think Tina is town scott I had nullish and coolTLname seems like a odd ball guy. So who you guys thin is the best lynch between Scott or coolTLname? scott hadn't actually been a serious lynch candidate except for in the eyes of rayn and had only been a recent development. coolTLname wasn't really being considered either until me and Shining posted about him. I'd like for you to explain how you got these people for your lynch list. On October 01 2015 21:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 21:32 rsoultin wrote:
also maybe i'm misremembering but i really don't believe you were instrumental in the cool lynch at all. being on it first isn't the same as being the main one pushing it or the reason it gained traction
anyway yeah i'm out for a bit again
don't call my lists useless please @.@ I mean, there was absolutely no intention to lynch him. Shining and I apparently came to the same conclusion at the same time though. We literally posted that coolTLname had TMI at the same time. Shining posted his thoughts 1 second before I voted for coolTL. Before that it was all about scott/rsoul. On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..? On October 02 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 05:32 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:29 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:04 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..? So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ??????????? I gave explanation for GB. My point on you still stands. I do not see you pushing on coolTL at all. I probably pushed coolTLname more than you. Even if that's not the case, I was the first the suspect him, and I voted him before leaving work, 5 hours before you More than that, I don't understand you saying to GB "maybe you don't realize, but I was the first to vote coolTLname" when GB voted him 2 HOURS BEFORE YOU Woah calm down. Why is your response changing so much from this one? On October 02 2015 05:24 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:04 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..? So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ??????????? I gave explanation for GB. My point on you still stands. I do not see you pushing on coolTL at all. Your point on me is true, so I can't say anything about that. But if you think coolTLname is scum, this GB's read is retarded. He was trying to get people to lynch coolTLname over scott! If he was mafia he would shut up and let things happen There's no need to yell. Calm down. what exactly is changing ? I mean A. even if you voted for him with GB it didn't make much of a difference and the wagon didn't really get going until me and Shining voted for coolTL. Also, in one your responding calmly and accepting my point. Then you bring it up again and start swinging with it? ok. On October 02 2015 09:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 09:01 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 08:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:Oh yea Shining you might wanna check this out. We did kinda start a big wagon lol. On October 01 2015 06:50 KelsierSC wrote:Day 1 Recall List rsoultin (2): Trfel, raynpelikoneet, Rels, GlowingBear (2): Damdred, coolTLname, rsoultin Trfel (1): GlowingBear, Rels, LightningStrike, sicklucker coolTLname (7): Rels, GlowingBear, MoosyDoosy, scott31337, TheShining, LightningStrike, marvellosity raynpelikoneet (0): coolTLname, MoosyDoosyscott31337 (1): Damdred, marvellosity, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, sickluckerLightningStrike (0): raynpelikoneet, scott31337 Not listing (0): Tonight, I will be banning coolTLname permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey.
Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. Lol. I guess. You and I just have different opinions on what started means. I thought you meant started as in the hardest pushes from the beginning of D1 but it looks like you meant we were the votes that put the wagon into the lead and got people to switch. Am I right? yes. i feel like i've been saying this for the longest time. -.- On October 02 2015 22:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 22:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I mean, I might be shooting myself in the foot right now, but I can see a world where coolTL is not scum and just bad townie. Like really bad townie admittedly but I can see it. This is what I was referring to when I hinted it to Shining earlier.
3. Moosy starts suspecting Shining at EOD2, when Shining is under suspicion. Note the second post: "I will look into Shining after we mislynch Rels and the game is over":
On October 04 2015 05:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 05:10 Trfel wrote:On October 04 2015 05:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 04 2015 05:08 coolTLname wrote:
I know! its because underneath all your anger, you actually think i could be town and ur waiting until i flip to save energy. :D If you're alive, you're a liability to town. Also find it funny that you're the sc2mafia role mechanics dude and you don't know what a roleblocker is. What do you think about The Shining? Shining is worth looking into if coolTL is scum.
On October 04 2015 05:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 05:11 Trfel wrote:On October 04 2015 05:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 04 2015 05:10 Trfel wrote:On October 04 2015 05:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 04 2015 05:08 coolTLname wrote:
I know! its because underneath all your anger, you actually think i could be town and ur waiting until i flip to save energy. :D If you're alive, you're a liability to town. Also find it funny that you're the sc2mafia role mechanics dude and you don't know what a roleblocker is. What do you think about The Shining? Shining is worth looking into if coolTL is scum. Why not if coolTLname is town? If coolTL is town, Rels is scum and I go after him. Then I'll look into Shining.
3 bis. Moosy says he is filter diving Shining 35 hours ago, still no result:
On October 04 2015 06:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ok wat let me read Shining's filter
4. At EON2 Moosy still has no read about Shining:
On October 05 2015 04:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 04:25 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, I don't really feel like reading your filter, and my memory is terrible.
Would you mind stating your reads on everyone? No reasons are necessary, I'll ask for reasons for a few specific people next. rsoultin - town Moosy - blue Trfel - town GlowingBear - idk rayn - town LightningStrike - Mafia Rels - Mafia sicklucker - town Shining - idk
It doesn't make sense on three points:
- Moosy associates himself with Shining, who was universally townread at the time; yet he never once calls Shining town (or mafia, for what it's worth)
- Shining and Moosy had a lot of interactions, so it is weird that Moosy does not have any idea about Shining's alignement at any point in the game
- Moosy said he was going to filter dive Shining 35 hours ago when a Shining switch was discussed; still hasn't done it
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^ A mistake above: the first "EOD2" should be "EON2" like that:
EOD2EON2:
On October 05 2015 04:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 04:25 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, I don't really feel like reading your filter, and my memory is terrible.
Would you mind stating your reads on everyone? No reasons are necessary, I'll ask for reasons for a few specific people next. rsoultin - town Moosy - blue Trfel - town GlowingBear - idk rayn - town LightningStrike - Mafia Rels - Mafia sicklucker - town Shining - idk
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rsoultin's reasons for scumreading me mostly based on meta that is easily disproved by a meta check
On October 05 2015 06:56 rsoultin wrote:
Rels - his investment is small, his brain has left the building, he doesn't even know his own mind and claims that he was having doubts on cool before the wall post of fluff where nothing in his posting leading up to that indicates that he plans to consider lynching anyone but cool (scumreads aside, just check his filter). his push on cool was asinine given cool had said many times that he'd played on whatever that site is, SC2, that is pretty roles based. must be a smurf or a lurker. tch. he keeps missing things from context that either strongly suggests he doesn't care what he's reading, is deliberately ignoring it, or is only reading filters and not the thread. lynch with fire
Most of this is based on the fact I should be playing smarter, and I should push my reads harder. This could be a valid accusation if I was always playing like that as town. But a simple meta check on my past games would have made her doubt.
In two games where I was town, I didn't push my scumreads hard, and almost got lynched for that in both games.
Newbie student Mafia XI => Day 1, I didn't hard push a scumread, defaulting to geript because I wasn't available at deadline. I was almost lynched D1 for that; if batsnacks hadn't found a non existent "slip" on geript, I would have been the lynch. That changed D2 when I started to play like usual.
The New Personality Mafia => Day 1, I didn't do shit. I was suspected heavily and almost lynched D2 for that; if yamato wasn't jester and rayn didn't create a stupid reason to townread yamato and hammer me, I was probably dead. That changed EOD2 when I started playing like usual.
And in the only game I was mafia:
Season of the Witch 2 => Day 1, I was the driving force on Dandel's push, and managed to get him mislynched.
Now in this game: I didn't hard push coolTLname D1 because I was not available to play most of EOD, only coming back near deadline; and because before leaving work, I pushed rsoultin, before re evaluating, and thus didn't have time to do a proper push on coolTLname. Nevertheless, I would have lynched him if Damdred hadn't counterclaim. Starting D2, I started playing like usual, so I don't know if this "asinine" comment also refered to my push on coolTLname D2; if that's the case, that's false; you can see me debating with Trfel about coolTLname around 32 hours after start of D2 for example.
rsoultin said she based her feeling on the coaching she did to me:
On October 04 2015 23:59 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 23:27 Rels wrote:On October 04 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:On October 04 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote:
I'm sorry, I tried to explain that coolTLname was town.
If I were better at this game I would have been able to explain it.
CoolTLname, I'm sorry. I really tried.
I think that no lynch here might be the right play, actually. Let's go with that.
And I think Rels might get a permanent townread because he's the only person in this game that I've actually enjoyed playing with. I'd rather lose to mafia!Rels than lynch him, honestly. meh idk like why is his assumption when a huge post full of fluff gets posted near EoD that the player must be town? OK rsoultin please read the following very carefully. You are a very annoying person to play withYesterday I've made a number of things, things that Trfel that you consider confirmed town kinda did as well; and each time, you found a reason mafia!me would do it. I said I would lynch Shining or Moosy, maybe Shining before Moosy; you thought it was scummy. But when "confirmed town" Trfel says he wants to lynch Shining, he's still town. I thought coolTLname as a bused mafia wouldn't make these giant posts before dying; and you think it was scummy. But when "confirmed town" Trfel fought for people not to lynch coolTLname, he's still town. Please stop bias confirming every action I make as mafia. the how is more important than the what, rels. i'm not sure about you. that may bother you but it is what it is. the fact of the matter is that to me truffle is all but confirmed town, both in how he's played the entire game and in how the votes fell when we were the two being pushed for lynch d1 that you don't grasp that i didn't see how your evidence for your shining vs. your evidence for moosy resulted in you wanting to lynch shining first, and that you couldn't explain it to me beyond "he's not posting as much" when just a simple look through the database (if you don't believe the rest of us) would show that shining will never post as much as moosy, is blah it's unworthy of your intelligence as for the thing with cool...maybe that's something a town player can see in his post, i don't know. the way you reacted seemed unnatural to me, especially for someone who was apparently so certain that cool was mafia. truffle already that cool was town so from him i can see it more, but for you to completely reverse your read based on a giant "will" post that was no more than summarizing things for pages... i don't get it maybe you should explain it instead of whining that i'm not treating you equally when you're not equal with truffle i knew he was town when he posted it again, because for some unknown reason he thought it was important enough to do so when he was definitely dying, but it looked a lot like a substanceless hail mary to me and i have a hard time seeing people who are scumreading him and aren't purely emotional, surface-level intellect players reacting the way you did sorry if this comes off condescending. i frankly think it's beneath you, though, and i know you're a very rational person because i coached you
So the accusation might be justified from her POV, if she hasn't read the three games above. But the fact that she did not bother to check other games and decided to apply meta from a coach session is super weird.
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Rels, it's lylo. Who is the scummiest?
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