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Rels
France13467 Posts
On October 05 2015 19:26 GlowingBear wrote: Rels, it's lylo. Who is the scummiest? it's still evolving as I'm going through stuff; but Shining is the scummiest. And if he's scum, Moosy is scum, because their mutual reads of each other would suddenly make sense. Will do a post on that | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
For why Shining's read on Moosy doesn't make sense, see this post For why Moosy's read on Shining doesn't make sense, see this post Resume: Shining suspects Moosy on several points; asks Moosy about them; drops them after Moosy gives an explanation. His sudden townread on Moosy is based on a Moosy's explanation that makes "slightly more sense" than the scum accusation and a mindmeld. Moosy had Shining as null the whole game, never stating a read on him. But he associated with him when Shining was universally townread; and he started showing doubts when Shining was a potential switch. He stated he was reading Shining's filter at EOD2 35 hours ago, and still haven't show anything that proves it; in his last list EON2, ~14 hours ago, Shining was "idk". Now all of this makes sense if they are scum partners. 1. Shining's stronger push (maybe outside of coolTLname) was on Moosy. That is a classic scum partner tell, as it is easier to scumread a scum partner than a townie that will fight back. His only arguably stronger push was on coolTLname, who was already pushed by 90% of the players and wouldn't fight back. The way he handled that Moosy push is also scum partner indicative: asking him questions about something shady, accepting his explanation at face value, dropping the accusation. His final read on Moosy during D2 was town, over reasons that don't make sense (see the post above); since then he has been accepting Moosy as town, and chatted with him, never showing any suspicion about him. 2. Moosy's refused to take a stance on Shining even once during the whole game. That also is a classic scum partner scum tell, as it's easier to not give a read on your partner just in case; whatever happens, you can change your read on him depending on the thread sentiment. The way he chatted and associated himself with Shining is incoherent with him not townreading him. Last thing, Moosy saying he is reading Shining filter EOD2, not saying anything about it since that time, and still putting him at null at EON2 is also indicative, as he's deflecting his scumreads on other people (LS, Rels) while avoiding the filter dive he said he was doing on his partner. Conclusion Shining and MoosyDoosy are mafia partners. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On October 05 2015 04:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: Rels - Completely different from how he normally acts. When pursuing a scum read, he drops it immediately after one explanation which is very uncharacteristic of Rels. He also changes around his story to match the situation. There is no way that screaming about a person's supposedly scummy behavior is supposed to be a "town read". The whole time he was arguing with me, he continuously tried to fish for things as well. At this point, his scum read on me is forced. The part about "I should be playing smarter and push scumreads harder" are dismissed for the same reasons I've explained here. Resume On October 05 2015 19:25 Rels wrote: Most of this is based on the fact I should be playing smarter, and I should push my reads harder. This could be a valid accusation if I was always playing like that as town. But a simple meta check on my past games would have made her doubt. In two games where I was town, I didn't push my scumreads hard, and almost got lynched for that in both games. Newbie student Mafia XI => Day 1, I didn't hard push a scumread, defaulting to geript because I wasn't available at deadline. I was almost lynched D1 for that; if batsnacks hadn't found a non existent "slip" on geript, I would have been the lynch. That changed D2 when I started to play like usual. The New Personality Mafia => Day 1, I didn't do shit. I was suspected heavily and almost lynched D2 for that; if yamato wasn't jester and rayn didn't create a stupid reason to townread yamato and hammer me, I was probably dead. That changed EOD2 when I started playing like usual. And in the only game I was mafia: Season of the Witch 2 => Day 1, I was the driving force on Dandel's push, and managed to get him mislynched. BUT Contrary to rsoultin, I know for a fact Moosy read the two town games referenced above. He was: - playing in Newbie XI - obsing the first days of personality So Moosy should know I can act like that as town. Especially if I don't have the time to play at deadline, as it was the case both Newbie XI and in this game. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
Going to lunch, when I come back I'll read my townreads' filters so that's out of the way: rayn and GB. I'm pretty sure I won't change my read on them; actually I'm afraid to read their filters with town confirming bias ... I'll try my best to judge things impartially. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
Rels, you really are a dumb if you think my read progression on Shining doesn't make sense. A. I hard townread Shining. B. When literally everyone else suspects Shining, what am I supposed to do? Be like: oh I still townread him, screw reconsidering. Hello? Obviously not. That's anti-town and super scummy. I said I'd read his filter again just to make sure my townread was correct. For you to see otherwise is you trying to pull things from your butt. And don't think these analyses get you anywhere. I find it laughable you're probably busing a scummate here as well as trying to nail a mislynch down. These are all tired thoughts that have already been talked about and your posts are literally just reiterations of each other for two pages with nothing new. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
pretty sure shining is not scum but maybe you're not either @.@ i guess i'll poke through those games later ftr rels i usually don't do meta reads on games i haven't played in. that's why i enlisted ls to do it. i feel like most times it's just shit cause i haven't actually been part of those games and don't know the atmosphere/context really, though, that doesn't negate my suspicions on you? you really didn't appear to care who actually got lynched, which is even weirder cause in your world, everyone being voted for was town. and people who don't care between town mislynches while having townreads among them are usually mafia and you forgetting what changed your scumread on cool to a townread is completely unbelievable, bah just keep working if you're town. i guess i need to look into shining again to be sure i'm not defending scum but it's not gonna happen until after school @GB - my reads post says it all and frankly, even if i'm wrong on shining and moosy which is possible i guess, scum is still between you two and sicklucker and sicklucker's voting for shining like i'm either really wrong or i'm wrong on just moosy and you two hard townreading each other without reconsidering is going to lose the game just as surely, and that you two do have these hard townreads on each other is making me itchy ls is never scum here. he's just not -_- never ever ever | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
The Trfel kill was probably an attempt to kill blue but they got the wrong guy (itsa me Mario!) Anyway, there are several reasons why rayn is alive: 1. He is Mafia 2. He said he would RNG and they believed him 3. They were going after the blue role The 1st only becomes serious when rayn lives the next night. I'm inclined to think it's the 3rd as the 2nd doesn't make much sense. Also, as Trfel was town and one of the people trying to push off of coolTLname, there should be a Mafia that also tried to push off of coolTL. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On October 05 2015 20:50 MoosyDoosy wrote: -yawn- Rels, you really are a dumb if you think my read progression on Shining doesn't make sense. A. I hard townread Shining. B. When literally everyone else suspects Shining, what am I supposed to do? Be like: oh I still townread him, screw reconsidering. Hello? Obviously not. That's anti-town and super scummy. I said I'd read his filter again just to make sure my townread was correct. 1. Both of those thing are proven false in my posts. 2. They are not directed to you anyway. If anybody starts thinking something I've said is false, say it and we'll talk about it. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On October 05 2015 20:50 MoosyDoosy wrote: -yawn- Rels, you really are a dumb if you think my read progression on Shining doesn't make sense. A. I hard townread Shining. B. When literally everyone else suspects Shining, what am I supposed to do? Be like: oh I still townread him, screw reconsidering. Hello? Obviously not. That's anti-town and super scummy. I said I'd read his filter again just to make sure my townread was correct. For you to see otherwise is you trying to pull things from your butt. And don't think these analyses get you anywhere. I find it laughable you're probably busing a scummate here as well as trying to nail a mislynch down. These are all tired thoughts that have already been talked about and your posts are literally just reiterations of each other for two pages with nothing new. no, don't care about this your reads in detail, and explain last night now. i gave you the benefit of the doubt over a hunch, we're in lylo, and you're being a git posting reads posts without reasoning and arguing with your scumread and if you honest to god think that scum is actually going to buss a scummate this day if they can help it (maybe later if scum is pinned and they can't wiggle out of the lynch) you're on crack scum will try to win lylo that's obvious | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On October 05 2015 20:56 MoosyDoosy wrote: rsoultin, you have to explain why you town read me and exactly where you first started scum reading Rels. no i don't | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On October 05 2015 20:53 rsoultin wrote: nh...maybe pretty sure shining is not scum but maybe you're not either @.@ i guess i'll poke through those games later ftr rels i usually don't do meta reads on games i haven't played in. that's why i enlisted ls to do it. i feel like most times it's just shit cause i haven't actually been part of those games and don't know the atmosphere/context really, though, that doesn't negate my suspicions on you? you really didn't appear to care who actually got lynched, which is even weirder cause in your world, everyone being voted for was town. and people who don't care between town mislynches while having townreads among them are usually mafia and you forgetting what changed your scumread on cool to a townread is completely unbelievable, bah just keep working if you're town. i guess i need to look into shining again to be sure i'm not defending scum but it's not gonna happen until after school @GB - my reads post says it all and frankly, even if i'm wrong on shining and moosy which is possible i guess, scum is still between you two and sicklucker and sicklucker's voting for shining like i'm either really wrong or i'm wrong on just moosy and you two hard townreading each other without reconsidering is going to lose the game just as surely, and that you two do have these hard townreads on each other is making me itchy ls is never scum here. he's just not -_- never ever ever let's just stop talking to each other. I've explained where my coolTLname read came from: I've showed where he convinced me he was not a lurker reader, so it lessens my scumread. You don't believe it, fine. You are super frustrating to talk to and I don't want to do it anymore. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On October 05 2015 20:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: Just some random thoughts: The Trfel kill was probably an attempt to kill blue but they got the wrong guy (itsa me Mario!) Anyway, there are several reasons why rayn is alive: 1. He is Mafia 2. He said he would RNG and they believed him 3. They were going after the blue role The 1st only becomes serious when rayn lives the next night. I'm inclined to think it's the 3rd as the 2nd doesn't make much sense. Also, as Trfel was town and one of the people trying to push off of coolTLname, there should be a Mafia that also tried to push off of coolTL. claim your role moosy | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On October 05 2015 20:55 Rels wrote: 1. Both of those thing are proven false in my posts. 2. They are not directed to you anyway. If anybody starts thinking something I've said is false, say it and we'll talk about it. Very well, in the next game we play together I will never change my initial reads -bows- | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
cool. i won't explain anything either lol. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On October 05 2015 20:59 Rels wrote: let's just stop talking to each other. I've explained where my coolTLname read came from: I've showed where he convinced me he was not a lurker reader, so it lessens my scumread. You don't believe it, fine. You are super frustrating to talk to and I don't want to do it anymore. this response makes very little sense given i'm wavering on my scumread on you. it's almost like you didn't read it all the way through | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On October 05 2015 21:00 MoosyDoosy wrote: cool. i won't explain anything either lol. please -_- i obviously started townreading you at your claim but based on certain stipulations and claiming blue isn't enough you need to claim your role if this is a real claim and i've been suspecting rels since my reread d2 that's nothing new | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
rsoul taking my claim seriously -ahhh- LS and rsoul are both town. | ||
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