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/in #YOLO #BlameDamdred | ||
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On September 10 2015 14:41 Alakaslam wrote: Time consuming? Fairly safe bet | ||
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Majority lynch in general sounds pretty rough to me in large games, but for a 13p it feels good. Also 72 hour days would be pretty brutal if there was no option to cut that short. The whole no flip thing still sounds rough to me, but everything else... Amazing! One question though: Wandering Wraith: Even in death you still haunt the living. Every night you can haunt a player, that player will know he was visited by the Wraith. If you visit Grandier or the Pope, they will learn your identity. Haunting is done only after death? Like role is basically VT until dead? Also I assume players are only notified "visted by wraith" | ||
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I'm town, not the martyr though. Rayn probs town, his thing on the martyr makes sense. If martyr uses their ability mafia gets to know the role of who they were targeting whiles getting to know who was the martyr at the same time, so eliminated 2 roles. I suppose not claiming is fine as long as you don't martyr though, not sure there's a downside there. I'll be back after I finish raiding. | ||
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Martyr: Each night you will learn who is being killed by the Witch Kill. You can then choose to save that person by sacrificing yourself for them. Your heroic death will be made obvious. If Witch Kill doesn't go through, or isn't attempted, you will learn nothing. [/b]Just to be clear, the martyr save is only made obvious as to it being a martyr save. Whoever was targeted is not revealed. So while it seems like town will be notified that the NK was martyred (and thus know that it was martyr that died) it still gives mafia the role of the person who they were targeting. There might be situations late in the game where that is useful but generally I can see how protecting someone tends to benefit mafia more. I dont see what is gained from having the martyr claim though, seems unnecessary. Rayn why do you think they should claim even if they don't intend to protect someone? How does it benifit mafia if they don't? Where is the benefit to town? | ||
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Leery of giving it to damdred already both because he seems to sorta want it and because he's suggesting he knows he can keep ahold of it for awhile. Slight scumlean. Shining is cool for suggesting an alternate topic of discussion, townlean. | ||
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On September 15 2015 14:22 geript wrote: Read the scum role. They learn who the NK targeted not the martyr. It's a plammar special nerf to the martyr. Did I say something that made you think I didn't understand that? They would know the NK was martyr'd kus someone other than their target died thus the person who dies who wasn't their target, plus the stuff I quoted about how it would be "made obviuse" that it kill was martyred. Plus the necro role info. | ||
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Obv it's still early, I just wanna know how strongly you feel about it. And does it seems like maybe rayn didn't have a reason to scumread LS then just agreed with your read? Or maybe I just trying too hard with ~3 pages to read.... | ||
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On September 15 2015 17:05 Vivax wrote: The thing with the martyr is that he learns who gets killed and hence who is town during the night if I understand correctly, he should try to do some decent crumbs even at the risk of being too obvious. And the witches only learn the roles of who they kill if their rolecop role survives. I don't like this post | ||
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On September 15 2015 17:25 Rels wrote: I want to push people to not be useless If one refuses he's mafia I like playin wid dis guy | ||
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My faith is restored. Also, yea the stuff I was not liking about Vivax makes sense if he's the martyr. | ||
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Giving an excuse, then wanting to "get down to buisness", followed by such a null question. yep yep | ||
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I am disappointed regardless. | ||
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I'm not sold on his read, but I'll admit Rels has done good open post cases before. TS might be someone to keep an eye on. I'm not sure I like BM. This was an odd explanation to throwing out a townread on rayn. On September 15 2015 10:29 Bill Murray wrote: well you're the first person in any game if we're both in the game that im going to try to get a read on because you usually have something important going on | ||
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Town circle: Rels Rayn Vivax | ||
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Pretty ok with BM and LS now. Overall liked the responses LS gave to people pushing him and most of his reads are decent. BM for poking and prodding and his reads remind me a little of his game in NSM X? XI? where he gave a brief flurry of activity before afking until mislynched. Lol at people reading me scum for "getting townreads then dissapearing" no way did I disappear kus of RL, such as leaving for work as I mentioned in a post. Oh and leaning town on HtS pretty hard. | ||
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On September 16 2015 03:40 Bill Murray wrote: well even if i think they might be town i want to break up their buddy buddy circlejerk Your just jealous of what we have | ||
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Other than Rayn, Rels and Vivax I'm not confidently reading anyone as town. | ||
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She pointed out and responded to stuff as she read through the thread, endgaged you and Rels regarding her "I'm not a martyr" thing, then goes looking into other games to further her reads. Tone and actions all seem towny to me. Possible for these things to come from scum HtS I suppose, I do believe she is pretty capable as mafia. | ||
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On September 15 2015 18:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh yeah and geript is totally town. On September 16 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: So geript is your scumread? Does it affect you at all i am telling you there is literally no way he is mafia in this game? Also at the time you made thw post you got called out for, did you seriously think i am mafia for pushing a retarded role claim? Like i know you value my opinion, and i am not stupid. Did it not come to your mind to think a bit more about why i say what i do? I find this really hard to believe LS. Thats why i think you are mafia atm. Rayn can you explain why you hardread geript as town? | ||
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On September 16 2015 08:24 Half the Sky wrote: I noticed you don't have any scumreads - the bolded was related to what FF said about you. Are you scumreading him now? If not, where do you stand on him? Huh? I've put a few of those out there. On September 15 2015 14:29 Tictock wrote: Leery of giving it to damdred already both because he seems to sorta want it and because he's suggesting he knows he can keep ahold of it for awhile. Slight scumlean. On September 15 2015 18:23 Tictock wrote: LS is a fine lynch. Giving an excuse, then wanting to "get down to buisness", followed by such a null question. yep yep Oh someone said that this post was a sheep of thread sentiment. I agreed with the push on LS, he had 2 posts at the time... so not like I'm going to post a 3 paragraph case. I'm not sure what more you'd expect from me in that, I was just stating that I supported that lynch at the time. On September 15 2015 19:28 Tictock wrote: I'm not sure I like BM. This was an odd explanation to throwing out a townread on rayn. So I definitely have been making some scum reads. If they aren't good enough for you kus I haven't pushed them enough or some thing... well I don't give a shit honestly. I'm taking my time doing my thing. | ||
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I'm somewhat null on FF (and he wasn't the only person to say I left after getting townreads) maybe leaning a little town on him kus I mostly agree with his posts. Actually his assesment of Damdred a few pages ago is pretty in line with my own feelings on Damdred (which I included in my last post) so besides him scumreading me I agree with his reads. FF's probably town, I definitely don't see anything that suggests to me that he is scum. And for the Shining. I never dropped my early townlean on him. I made this point: On September 15 2015 19:28 Tictock wrote: I'm not sold on his read, but I'll admit Rels has done good open post cases before. TS might be someone to keep an eye on. Which a few people are taking as me changing my read on TS kus they are focusing on the 2nd sentance, but the first one was my main point. I've seen rels catch scum with his opening post analysis before, so while I said I didn't agree with the read (as in, not scum-reading TS) I though Rel's might have a point. | ||
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I think Lightning Strike is town, and I think the early push on him was suspect. Why do you find the push to be suspect? Keep in mind people were pushing him as mafia when these were his only 2 posts: On September 15 2015 07:18 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I don't have much time atm but I'm here and Town so let's get down to business! On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote: So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? | ||
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What are your current thoughts on Damdred and Fidei? Also what do you make of geript so far? I think geript is pretty null right now, and it seems really odd to me that rayn is townreading him so hard. Am I missing something? | ||
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On September 16 2015 16:55 Rels wrote: wowowowowow I LOVE YOU This is SOOOOO good =D ... onto the question now Yea, I'm missing something... What is ULOUP? | ||
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On September 16 2015 08:45 Dandel Ion wrote: damdred is town What makes you so sure? | ||
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On September 16 2015 17:11 Rels wrote: Damdred I think it is super weird you're not trying to find town like you did in every other game I played with you. I liked your boldness asking for the grail at the very beginning though. Another meta read. I hate them because I can't judge them. Can someone who knows Shining confirm or deny this ? If this is a lie, Damdred's read is super fake. TS said that he though 60-90 was an over exaggeration. On September 16 2015 10:21 The Shining wrote: Picks easy townreads in Rayn and Rels then scums me for being emotionless? LoL. What are your reads on anyone else, Damdred? I'm glad you think my posts are pretty but you missed one key thing if this is my "scum" meta. If we've played so many games together between here and other forums(which 60-90 games seems a bit high of an estimate, did you just throw that number out there to strengthen your meta read?), you would know that every time I'm town, I'm paranoid of you and your strong scum game, when you put your mind to it. I almost never town you(like now), and you usually end up being the one realizing its my town game when everyone else is trying to lynch me for it. LoL since you know me, you would know I've been in anger management and in control of my emotions the last few weeks since my last blow up =P sorry I'm not angsty Shining this time around. But you scumming me for a crap meta read is going to get me to that point pretty quickly. Sorry bro, you're my #1 scum now. Fidei is likely town, even though I personally hate WoTs. I guess I can't judge this time around, though. However, I'd like to address the part about hating people not wanting to play early and point out that I am playing and giving reads...I'm not sure what else you'd like me to do? Do jumping jacks yelling "I'M TOWN" all up and down the thread? Just because I don't like playing D1 doesn't mean I don't actually play D1. Your right about Damdred's townhunting though. He also dropped his early read on LS for his meta-read on TS without any mention. | ||
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Oh we have an acronym for that now... Lets not use it | ||
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On September 16 2015 17:20 Rels wrote: I'm catching up with the thread. I think you'll find my last two posts interesting though. (= geript may be scum. I thought he was town 'cause he had the same reaction as me (and quite a few people) about LS, and I thought he wouldn't bus this early. But now I think LS may be town actually, so I have no reasons to think he's town. Ok cool. Regarding bussing, LS made a really good point that it doesn't make any sense for mafia to buss their teammates in this format. There is 0 towncred to be gained since we don't get flips, so purposefully bussing a teammate is pretty bad mafia play this game. Having said that, nothing in mafia is 100% kus there is always someone who will make the sub-optimal play. If I have a point here it's that association reads/cases are probably really bad this game. | ||
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On September 16 2015 17:25 Rels wrote: Don't think this in particular is suspicious. He posted very little so we don't really know his thought process. Maybe you can think his lack of activity is suspicious. But the reason I'm not sure about him being scum is that I acted the same way in Newbie XI. Was super inactive the first three days, came back, and was so good he got shot the next night. Plus I liked him openly asking for the Grail. Yea I don't want to read too much from the activity, I know Damdred and Rayn (can't recall if there is anyone else) are playing in another game atm. This one apparently isn't Generic enough for them. Also looking at Damdred's filter I realize all he ever said regarding LS was On September 15 2015 10:59 Damdred wrote: I might not mind a deadline ls vote tbh So me thinking he was changing a read, or switching his top scum or summin is kinda over the top. I'm not sure why people like him asking for the grail, I can totally see Scum!Damdred being bold enough to ask for it like that. Idk, I'm not sure who I would trust with the grail just yet. Though that probably needs to become a bigger focus for town. We want to make sure it goes to town, I'm less worried about it being held for a long time. Any town holding the grail is liable to be witch killed so I'd imagine we can only realistically hold it for a day or two. | ||
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On September 16 2015 17:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I actually agree with TT being scummy. Is that why you started ignoring me? On September 16 2015 06:41 Tictock wrote: So what are you scumreading HtS then rayn? She pointed out and responded to stuff as she read through the thread, endgaged you and Rels regarding her "I'm not a martyr" thing, then goes looking into other games to further her reads. Tone and actions all seem towny to me. Possible for these things to come from scum HtS I suppose, I do believe she is pretty capable as mafia. On September 16 2015 08:12 Tictock wrote: Rayn can you explain why you hardread geript as town? | ||
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On September 16 2015 17:42 Rels wrote: I'm still waiting for Shining to answer, but I don't really think he's scum anymore. So let's unvote. As he is the last member of the ULOUP, I'll vote Dandel Ion until he stops trolling. He will have to be super townie though, 'cause him actively lurking for the past day is scum indicative. ##DeadlineUnvote ##DeadlineVote Dandel Ion If Dandel starts playing and is actually town, geript is my next scumread. Possibly Damdred if his meta read is crap like Shining affirmed. I still need someone to analyze it BTW. I support this post. | ||
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On September 16 2015 17:46 Rels wrote: I don't have this problem (= you're the best Grail owner: town, but there are other people mafia will want to shoot before you. Awwww <3 you too buddy Never let BM destroy what we have ^.^ | ||
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On September 16 2015 17:52 Rels wrote: TT, rayn: what is your read of FF ? I'm leaning town on FF. His earlier assessment of Damdred made a lot of sense to me, plus the way he interacted with Vivax seemed townie to me. He's still somewhat null but I see some similarities to what I saw him so as town in both Personality and Cannons. Actually speaking of Vivax, where has he run off to? | ||
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I post what I think. Writing that post reminded me that Vivax has been pretty absent since after he claimed. So I mentioned him. Maybe talking about him will bring him back and get him playing. Who knows. | ||
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On September 16 2015 18:10 Dandel Ion wrote: dunno how good his meta shit is (but geript disagreed so it's probably solid) but he knows about the shine, which is more than i can say about anybody else this game. Ok you made me smile D1. I wont join Rels in Policy lynching you. Sorry Rels, this is how i read the trolls. | ||
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On September 16 2015 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Regarding TT. The second post i quoted jsut a while ago; I have a really hard time believing that is what the dude actually believes could be true. He has played with me, he knows how i do present my reads. I don't lay out everything at the start because it pushes out reactions. I have NEVER made a read, not explain it, and then NOT have reasons behind the read. Every single person who has ever played with me knows that. Like the dude has seen me make posts like this: So that quote you are talking about here Rayn? I was literally talking about the bolded. As I was reading through the game I saw this interaction On September 15 2015 09:29 geript wrote: ##deadline vote Lightning strike Rayn I can't hold being in character, but do you know why? On September 15 2015 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: not really, no. On September 15 2015 10:46 geript wrote: When he's town he'll still follow the leader, but he'll generally over talk about a random reason he's thought against it. A less than LS question. On September 15 2015 10:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay then we have the same reason  You had thrown out a couple posts about LS in between there as well, but I would have expected you to be more clear about your reasons. I'd also sorta expect you to respond to geript's question by stating your reason first. So it kinda looked like you were giving a read, not explaining, then agreeing with geripts read. | ||
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On September 16 2015 18:18 Dandel Ion wrote: not even trolling tho absolutely 100% no idea why ppl keep saying that How would you describe your posting then? | ||
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On September 15 2015 09:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: what do you even mean by this? i think i have already explained why it's the correct play so the answer should be obvious. Kus tbh I felt it was kinda scummy that it took you 2 hours to react to his question, yet posted this inbetween. On September 15 2015 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: this game is stupidly slow, can you americans get there already? | ||
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On September 16 2015 08:12 Tictock wrote: Rayn can you explain why you hardread geript as town? | ||
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On September 16 2015 17:31 Fidei86 wrote: Two reasons: 1. (And this is likely to get the Rayn hate, but w/e) I actually understand where LS is coming from on this. I've never played this setup before, and Rayn comes in and says that there is only one correct way to play the martyr. I'm naturally suspicious of those sorts of claims - most roles in Mafia are nuanced enough to have multiple uses. If I'm the martyr here and, say, HTS or some other really strong town is the NK target, I probably think it's worth to sacrifice myself, because then they get another day. Particularly if the martyr honestly assesses themselves as a weak town player. 2. It's LS. Pretty much every game I've been in has had a wagon start on him (or ruxx pretending to be him) for appearing 'naive' or disagreeing with a strong town player. No offence LS, but you're probably the easiest ml out there. Jumping on him for a pretty innocuous question just seems really opportunistic. Been mulling this over a little. I fail to see why this leads you to the conclusion that mafia was pushing LS. #1 Sure. If I recall correctly LS, geript, and myself all questioned what benefit there was in having Martyr claim. I think the question itself is pretty null. #2 If LS is pushed every-game then him being pushed this game shouldn't mean that much. It's weird to me that you looked at this push and seemed to conclude there was mafia involvement. I kinda thought the open LS made was pretty scummy in it of itself. An excuse and a townclaim, plus some "getting down to buisness" The question after was hardly any business. | ||
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On September 16 2015 19:52 Vivax wrote: I'm here now folks. Also see rayn it worked ^.^ | ||
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On September 16 2015 20:48 Rels wrote: OK since we're waiting for quite a few people to answer stuff, I want to discuss something Should people about to get mislynched roleclaim ? I'm thinking they shouldn't. On the plus side: the town knows a little more about the game and mafia cannot fakeclaim that particular role if we decide to mass claim one day. On the minus side: the mafia will have infos if they try to role POE. Not talking about roles that will get revealed anyway, like grandier or crusader. I'm inclined to say they shouldn't because it gives info to mafia. Role claiming as a hail-Mary is such a cop-out anyways. It makes sense, however, to insta-claim in Angel QT. | ||
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Soup: Instead of using the Witch Kill, any member of the Witch's coven can instead drink a cursed Soup. The Witch will take a sip, then name a player and a role, then drink again and repeat the process.
Yea, given the mechanics behind the soup kill I think keeping as much role information from mafia as possible is the best course of action. Martyr ofc being the exception due to the Necro role. | ||
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On September 16 2015 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you even read the game you are posting in? Like we JUST talked about this for fucking pages.... So your whole read on geript was kus you both thought LS was scummy. ok | ||
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I need to catchup and reread some stuff, but if there's any questions for me right off ask away as I wake up and get going here. From a cursory glance it seems like potential grail holders being discussed are, Damdred, FF, and myself correct? I noticed Rayn and geript seem to think geript should get it, but I don't recall either of them talking about it. | ||
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raynpelikoneet Damdred Fecalfeast Bill Murray The Shining Vivax Rels Half the Sky LightningStrike Fidei86 geript Dandel Ion | ||
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On September 17 2015 09:41 Damdred wrote: I'm going to vote ff for grail at this point. He's pretty obvious town, rels is pretty obvious town. I'm sorta short I'll be more active tommorow just doing a major party for work. This post makes me question giving FF the grail a bit. I'm thinking FF is town, but the way Damdred lists FF and Rels together as two obvious town is strange to me. I see a few posts in FF's filter that look pretty towny but I wouldn't group him with obviously town Rels. Plus ofc I'm scum reading Damdred so... @FF you are scumreading Damdred for similar reasons to me I think. How does him wanting to give you the grail affect your read on him? | ||
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On September 17 2015 12:25 Half the Sky wrote: I'm on the latter part of Tictock's filter and honestly finding his filter direction tenuous in general - I'm assuming he's scumreading Fidei for finding the push on LS suspicious but I thought he stressed part of that reason for scumming Tictock was that the read felt a little "safe" in that other people already were doing it. I didn't see Fidei's read as being unreasonable. Sorta right, I'm not too concerned with Fidei scum reading me kus of my rather flippant post/read on LS at that point. I thought it was odd that he looked at the LS push and went looking for scum pushing LS, also the answers he gave me as to why he thought this were rather poor imo. So I'm scumreading him for looking for easy excuses to call people scum. Also from about the second half of his filter (from posts 583 to about 609) I am having trouble telling whether he's trying to scumread rayn or just try and understand what he's saying. I know rayn somewhere in there tried to clarify a sequence of events but regardless I'm still pretty unclear where Tictock is going after post 609, the conclusion is really unclear as to where he stands on rayn if he's clarified where his townread on geript is coming from. I'd be rather surprised to find out Rayn is anything but town, but that doesn't mean it's impossible for him to be scum here. I was more interested why he had such a hard read on geript more than trying check my read. Town!Rayn can give townreads for bad reasons, or scumreads for that matter. Part of it is that I'm pretty null on geript myself so I was wondering if there was something I was missing. All said and done I got nothing out of that. Geript still seems pretty null to me, and Rayn's reasons for townreading him don't do anything for me. Also noticed when he asked Dandel how he'd describe his posting and didn't follow up with his response (Dandel had replied "conscious" or something) - not sure if he missed that or just ignored it. But lack of direction on that end warrants a scumlean. Also not understanding why he finds the Fidei read poor which is easy to trace if you look at the back and forth in his filter. Dandel's response there made me smile, but doesn't help me read him a whole lot. Still making up my mind about that guy. | ||
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On September 17 2015 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Damdred is basically begging a cop check so i don't think the lynch on him is a good idea. I also think the cop should check him because we either get a red, or we get a really good townie (if he can be trusted to be town). Humm, this feels like a somewhat sudden shift but I think I can get behind it. It makes sense to me given how the roles play out to rely on a cop check like this. I'm not sure LS would be my first backup without rechecking his filter though. Was there anything besides LS suggesting you get the grail rayn that changed your mind on LS? | ||
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On September 17 2015 06:57 Bill Murray wrote: god i thought i made it right before deadline but we have a whole day dont we... i feel like an idiot now This post + the fact BM afked for 10 hours after it makes me want to rethink my townlean on him Then again his rapid fire posting when he did come back is somewhat towny. Ehh prob not someone I'd lynch today. | ||
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On September 17 2015 21:22 Vivax wrote: Dude it's a waste of time to get something out of Dandel, if crusader dies at any point he should just take him down. I'm reasonably sure we should lynch into BM or damdy today. Can you explain why you scumread BM? I don't think the stuff about him ignoring rayn but calling you out, or w/e was very scummy. So wondering if you have more than that. | ||
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On September 17 2015 22:06 LightningStrike wrote: Also I checked Ticktock's filter. Got him null still my main thing that bothers me is his unnatural read progression regarding me. First he called me scum than later he said I was town for some of my reactions yet it doesn't seem natural. His mind seem to change a lot with thread sentiment. Got it, you only care if I talk about you. You really can't get anything else out of my filter? | ||
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Having a hard time deciding this one. I'm not sure I really care to try and make a case for myself getting it, nor do I think I have a chance at convincing enough people. So only option for me seems to be finding someone else to take it. This also reminded me that I didn't like this post very much On September 17 2015 09:42 The Shining wrote: So Damdred comes back with more nothing, while WIFOMing his alignment in not one but two games. Bro, I hate you right now. W.e I'm done, see you guys at deadline. Don't really care who gets the grail, either. Give it to whoever will be nkd n1 so this slow game can end fast. | ||
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Or do you still want to give it to rayn? | ||
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On September 17 2015 22:16 Rels wrote: In case this is a contested lynch between LS Damdred and Dandel, I need you to read this As rayn posted, it is important that we decide who the inquisitor should check. If we do that: - the oracle has a garanteed hit - if the inquisitor doesn't claim a red check D2, it means that the checked target is town If there is a contested lynch, the person we decided to check might be lynched, and we cannot talk at night in this setup. It could mean the inquisitor and the oracle not knowing who to check. SO Near the end of the day, everybody should state who they want to check in addition to their lynch. In the person they wanted to check is lynched instead, the inquisitor would just have to assume their initial lynch target is their check target. OK ? This is actually a really good idea the more I think about it because it prevents Mafia from getting any potential role info from their Demon role. Demon: Every night you will learn the targets of the Inquisitor and the Oracle. You will not know which target was targeted by whom. Plus all the stuff Rels already said. | ||
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On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote: I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT Humm I thought I had a better idea what BM meant regarding this earlier, which would mean I don't particularly like your case Vivax. However I'd like to hear from BM what he was thinking at the time when he said this. For easy refference BM, and to make my question a bit more clear. What made you think Rels and I were "buddying" in the first 20 pages of the game? | ||
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On September 17 2015 22:50 Rels wrote: I think you should openly campaign for your election though p: I'm flattered you have so much faith in me. Maybe I'll throw something together. | ||
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On September 17 2015 23:16 Vivax wrote: TT why don't you read the entire thing and only pick out one part to justify why you don't scumread him for the entire case? You mention the buddy-buddy thing a lot in that case actually. There were some other points I liked, but that was the part I was most interested in getting a response back from BM about. I'm trying to further my own read on him, while evaluating part of your case. | ||
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I thought Rel's case on him was pretty good. HtS also made a good post about Dandel... let me find it | ||
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On September 17 2015 10:52 Half the Sky wrote: This is what I understand geript to have said - So if your first post was serious why are you trusting the read when you don't know how good his meta shit is? Am I misunderstanding what you are trying to communicate (in the bolded)? Particularly when Shining had a very sharp (IMO) reaction to how Damdred scumread him on page 26. What do you make of that then? If you are being serious and I am understanding you correctly, then I have no idea how you are townreading Damdred. | ||
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When I get back I need to: Filter dive LS. Decide on some grail action. Filter dive and reread BM and Dandel I'm ok going forward on the idea to check Damdred, and I think I'm ok lynching into BM or Dandel. | ||
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I felt like the way LS defending himself early was decent, and most of the arguments against him were based in meta which he provided counter-examples to. My issue when reading his filter though is that it is almost all him defending and answering questions. LS has very few reads, and only really pushes Damdred. Maybe I missed some posts but all I got from his filter was that LS is scumreading Damdred > geript, and that he thinks Rayn is town, and likes BM. The werid thing about his reads that Rels was pointing out is how he says this about geript before pushing Damdred. On September 16 2015 03:15 LightningStrike wrote: Geript is my scumread. No it wont change unless he start doing some townie things. At the time I didn't read the OP very well so ofc I thought your role claim thing was stupid. Well I turned to be sounding like a idiot for not reading the OP very well >.> It now makes much more sense after rereading the OP for the Martyr claim plan you had setup. then On September 16 2015 03:50 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred he only made like 2-3 posts and 1 is him saying I could be mafia without any explanation at all which is so unlike him at all when he's town. Rels could be town but Ticktock null I need to reread his filter when I get home. Rayn I think your town I was just being a jackass earlier regarding you I'm sorry what can I do to make up for it? On September 17 2015 01:46 LightningStrike wrote: I honestly just want to lynch Damdred for the reasons why I scumreading him. Also I think Rayn should be the Grail holder since he is almost certainly town. I prob wont be around EoD because of class ends at Eo so Damdrd is my vote for today's lynch. ##Deadline Vote: Damdred ##Holy Grail Vote: Raynpelikoneet When pressured to read me LS only comes up with null like he has all game, and besides this post I can't find anytime that he's trying to read anyone else. On September 16 2015 05:02 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I just read Danel's filter and saw him claim Miller and I checked the op and there are no Miller's in the OP idk if he's trolling or mafia or both. Thoughts guys? But LS ignored Rel's case about Dandel when he was around earlier. It also seems pretty clear LS has no interest in the grail vote. Votes for rayn without bothering to consider anything about the grail (or that rayn is voting for geript to have it). Posts this On September 17 2015 05:53 LightningStrike wrote: I guess I can just be happy we got 25 hours till EoD so we still got plenty of time to still think about the Grail vote. But then has no opinion about the grail when I asked him. All in all I'm not liking what I see. Rayn is probably right here. | ||
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I might be fine giving it to FF, but at some level he's doing the same thing Damdred did. However FF is at least showing he gives a few shits about this game. I'm not doing a good job managing me time, I think I'll have to cast my votes during my meal break at work. | ||
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Mostly just wanted to apologize for my EoD. Wasn't able to get a break before the day ended like I thought I would. Had to sneak away just to throw my vote on Dandel, and managed to check once more right before the day ended to make sure we were consolidated at least. I wont be around for next EoD either, but I'll not leave things so last min this time. I'm also a bit suprised by that NK but with it being pretty likely that we are 7/3 now that grail did matter a decent bit i suppose. | ||
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I know you had a scumlean on him early D1 but I thought you dropped it. I'd also like to know what your current reads are on LS and myself. iirc you were reading me scum and LS town right? | ||
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On September 19 2015 07:24 LightningStrike wrote: You sure all 3 of them were town? Some thought Shining was scum tbh. Did you think he was scum? | ||
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LightningStrike (2): The Shining (1): Dandel Ion (1): Rels Damdred (5): Holy Grail Vote geript (2): raynpelikoneet, TicTock (1): Rels raynpelikoneet (1): LightningStrike Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky Vivax (1): geript EoDVote Count LightningStrike (2): The Shining (0): Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript Damdred (2): Bill Murray (0): Holy Grail Vote geript (2): raynpelikoneet, TicTock (1): raynpelikoneet (1): LightningStrike Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, Vivax (0): EoDVote Count: Cleaned up with colors! Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion Damdred (2): Bill Murray, Vivax Holy Grail Vote geript (7): raynpelikoneet, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion Vivax (4): Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike Fecalfeast (1): Fecalfeast Ok this doesn't really tell us a whole lot, or at least I dont see much information from this, but maybe someone who is better with VCA stuff cna read more into it than I, also now we have a couple of VCs for D1 to look at. The runaway train that grew on Dandel probably has all the mafia on it. Rayn has been pretty clearly town, Vivax is unCC'd and I'm leaning town on BM, so that's where I'm going to put my focus. Damdred, LS and FF and an outside chance of Fidei are the people I'm thinking are most likely scum. I'm not really sure if I'm still scum reading Fidei, but I'm gunna leave him on the scummier side of null for now untill I get a chance to reread him. I know that he's playing in multiple games at once so that split of his focus might be affecting my read on him. | ||
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Cop (Inquisitor) doesn't NEED to claim if they have a red check imo. In fact I'm not sure it's a good idea at all anymore. Right now we know Vixax is martyr, if Cop claims with a red-check on Damdred then mafia can soup them both tonight, and possibly more if they have some read on other roles. So claiming a redcheck is a 1 mafia for 2 town trade. Given that mafia goes for the soup kill. That would (again assuming we are 7/3 now) put us into a 5/2. Leaving town with the one mislynch before we are in lylo. So think things through yourself, check if I'm right here and if it's still a good call to claim a check in this situation. | ||
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I'm also more or less around all day if anyone has questions or wants to talk about stuff. | ||
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On September 20 2015 04:29 LightningStrike wrote: Me saying to James(Fidei) why I was voting Damdred over Geript and me telling Shining I would check Ticktock's scum game if he got any(I will check this after this post) and me responding to the joke about what happened in that game about BH. This was posted about 2 hours ago. If you are having trouble finding my only scum game (Holy Guardians) I might be willing to delve into the dark reaches of the Archives to dig it out for you. | ||
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I used to play LoL (years ago), but can't be bothered to learn long lists of items and stuff anymore. | ||
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Damdred is the only person who hasn't posted since this phase started, which makes me wonder if he's waiting to see if anyone claims a check on him. Assuming all 3 dead thus far are town then that's a 3/10 chance the Inq is dead or about a 70% chance that he is still alive with a green check on Damdred. Give or take some certainty if the Inq is like minded to myself or Fidei and holding a redcheck. So ~70% chance Damdred is town despite him being one of the more scum read people this game. Is that enough to consider him confirmed town like rayn suggests? I'd kinda like to hear Damdred's opinions on the game before fleshing out my own thoughts on him more... I think at best I can consider him null right now. | ||
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On September 19 2015 15:44 Bill Murray wrote: I 100% disagree with this we can afford that... in fact it would be good for town we CANT afford losing 3 in 1 night either way with 3 or with 2 we can do the 2 fer first off, it will prevent a mylo scenario which is awkward 8v2 lynch 7v2 nightkill 6v2 lynch 5v2 nightkill4v2 (mylo) but if you do your scenario 8v2 lynch 7v2 soup 5v2 lynch 4v2 nightkill 3v2 (cleaner... better odds of lynching mafia in lylo ass opposed to mylo) TL;DR with 2 or 3 left we are in an awkward scenario where it will end up in mylo instead of lylo which are better odds for mafia. So looking back at this, I noticed that there are some mistakes/weird stuff happening here. In your 2nd list you have town mislynching, followed by a soup kill which makes no sense. Only way we get a 2nd claim today is if Inq claims a redcheck which would mean: 8v2 lynch 8v1 soup 6v1 mislynch 5v1 nightkill 4v1 ml 3v1 nk 2v1 LyLo no soup 8v2 ml 7v2 nk 6v2 ml 5v2 nk 4v2 MyLo Or the 7/3 situation 7v3 lynch 7v2 soup 5v2 ml 4v2 nk 3v2 LyLo And lastly 7/3 no soup 7v3 ml 6v3 nk 5v3 MyLo (ml 4v3 into nk 3v3) That last one is scary actually. Also I now see exactly what you mean BM. Redcheck should definitely be claimed. It probably should have been claimed already, but if you listened to my lat post about this and held off claiming a redcheck now is the time. Otherwise assuming Damdred is town seems fairly reasonable. | ||
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On September 20 2015 09:19 LightningStrike wrote: Did anyone even read my long post about my Damdred throughout the game? I did, reminded me of the filter dive I did of you before EoD. On September 19 2015 07:56 LightningStrike wrote: Btw if you got a red check Claim it ASAP but if you got a green check don't say anything about the green check! No one has claimed a redcheck, so who else do you think is scum LS? | ||
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On September 20 2015 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tictock what happens if we lynch LS here and he is town? Your dumb post about the numbers makes no fucking sense at all. I'm a little confused by this question. My "numbers post" had nothing to do with LS, it was purely an attempt to make sure that a claim and soup kill today did not leave town in a shitty spot. Why is my post dumb? There was 3 people who did the exact same type of post. What about mine in particular is dumb? If LS is town and we lynch him then town is pretty SoL. Being 5/3 or at best 6/2 going into D3 is going to suck. Even worse if the crusader gets picked off and takes a townie with him. I'm not completly sold on it just yet, but I'm thinking it's pretty likely LS is scum at this juncture. (Shoutout to Waffel-Boy who couldn't be in this game). Mostly my read on him is based on his lack of reads despite having a large filter. I also thought his position on Dandel was strange going into EoD. He asked at one point if we thought Dandel was just trolling or was mafia. Rels posted a mafia case on Dandel well before EoD (when LS was around, but he ignored/missed it) then a few hours before EoD LS comes back calling Dandel trolly town. Other than that "read" I've only seen LS give opinions on Geript, Damdred, Rayn, and when pushed rather un-opinionated reads on myself and Fidei. @ BM This reminded me you asked me a questions about LS's long post about his Damdred read. I thought it was a pretty useless post, tbh. All he really did was pull a bunch of quotes from his filter and state what each was a response to. Was made even more useless since Vivax had just been asking him for reads, but then he goes and rehashed an old read like he was proving something. | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: we know for a fact dandel was town. so rels, explain it to me like i am five, why does the Exorcist not shoot if we mislynch? Because i can only think of one thing.... Oh shit I forgot about this role if we mislynch again today... I'm bad. | ||
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On September 20 2015 21:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: You too BM. Well at least you are not a cocky guy like TT bashing on people who are saying wrong things about the setup. Who did I bash? When? I question and try to think things through. I even asked if there was holes in my thinking. Also... at least you are not a cocky guy Takes one to know one i guess. | ||
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Sorry friend just showed up at my door. | ||
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The whole thing with BM and Rels brought up a couple of interesting points, but I think they are both town. Damdred and Fidei have both been completely absent today, which makes it hard especially when Damdred has been heavily contested all game. Fidei I think at least has a decent excuse for putting more focus on his other game, but I'm thinking this makes him a solid check. I'll throw together a post as to why I think the claim LS made is BS, if he somehow turns out to be town then Damdred is a solid shot if he will not play the game. I don't think they are both mafia here. I'm kinda ignoring rayn going off on Rels for the post that says I'm higher on his PoE than rayn, but I do find it odd that Rels listed Rayn and LS as more town than me. Especially when I thought he was only reading LS as town based on meta from other people. | ||
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In this case LS has been pushed because of meta, and because he hasn't been giving very many reads this game. Besides his long post rehashing his D1 Damdred read LS has only stated that Fidei might be scum today. Multiple people have called him out for this or asked him to give more reads, but it hasn't happened. Hell just the fact that LS is only targeting lurkers with his reads today is fairly telling, but onto the claim. So rather than talk about reads or push on people LS thinks could be scum he decided to claim instead. On September 20 2015 21:38 LightningStrike wrote: You know what fuck it I don't even want to live the long game for my role to be useful because I would most likely be mislynched before it becomes good. I'm the POPE I was visted by Geript who is the WANDERING WRAITH I was wondering why the fuck I would get Night 1 check result from Palmar but it turned out the pm was that Geript visted me and he was the WANDERING WRAITH before he died so I know Geript is 100% town other than NK WIFOM but also because he was the WANDERING WRAITH because he visted me. Here is my obligatory picture of a pope: ![[image loading]](http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/12/25/1387974381061/Pope-Francis-at-St-Peters-014.jpg) Right off I'm noticing that there is too much focus on the "Wandering Wraith" point here. It's like LS is pushing that point harder than the fact that he is claiming Pope. In fact it is literally the main point of this post. Now it has been discussed that LS is uncomfortable lying (not sure how Rels got to incapable), which makes sense because as scum it is difficult to keep up with lies and fabricating reads and stuff takes a bit of work. So I have to think here, why would LS as town claim one of the worst roles for town to claim rather than simply giving out his unabashed and full reads on everyone? Surely it would be worth it to keep your role safe and make more efforts to play properly before resorting to claiming. I don't know LS all that well so maybe the pressure really did get to him, but I have a hard time seeing a town!LS claim so easily with this role. On the flip side, as Mafia what would be harder for LS to do? Fabricate reads on a bunch of people who he hasn't given reads on yet, or fakeclaim? Clearly the fakeclaim option is both easier and more beneficial to scum as they potentially get a nice soupkill if there is a CC. I also found LS's all caps posts following people questioning this claim to reak of faked emotion. Hard to back this point up, but if you look at LS's filter after his claim (pg 7 of his filter) he goes back and forth between using all caps. Sorta seems to me like he wanted to look like he got mad, but then dropped it when he threw out the crazy notion that Wraith RNG visited, then remembered what he was doing. Idk kinda a weakish point maybe. Brings me to the last part of this that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Why would geript visit LS? Geript was clearly scumreading LS hard and if he was the wraith then he surely understood the role (Which wants t try and visit Pope and Grandier). I don't see any situation where it would have been a good idea for geript to visit LS. The hyperfocus on the wraith part of LS's claim leads me to believe that it is likely true. As scum it would be the only information available to push out there to strengthen your claim. As town it doesn't seem like the pertinent information. Like you know your role, that's what your claiming. Your not claiming you got visited and that proves your role. So yea, I think LS's claim is totally fake and think we should lynch him. | ||
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On September 22 2015 00:16 Vivax wrote: WHAT POINTS. WAT HOW DOES HE TURN TOWN IN A SETUP WITH NO FLIPS. WAT. BUT RELS IS THE SPAM-RESEARCH-INTERACTION-CAREFACTOR-MACHINE in this game. He will never be mafia. Eh I think they are both town, so not really worth mentioning. Fidei is playing out LyLo in another game and didn't realize he was put into this one. If we lynch town again today then exorcist gets a shot. I agree, Rels is town. Not sure why he's hard townreading LS in that post though. | ||
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On September 22 2015 02:38 Half the Sky wrote: What gives me pause with Tictock's post is that if LS is actually town (and we'd know that if there's an exorcist shot the next day) it makes Tictock look a bit worse. In Holy Guardians he was mafia - he successfully pushed scummy townies to their deaths. I can see the same thing happening here. Here's an example. He brings up LS for pushing lurkers when he brought up Fidei except Fidei was NOT scumread by him for being a lurker in fact it was a reason that was in his filter. LS scumread Fidei for hyperfocusing on him not for being lurky. Yes Fidei is lurky but that's not why he scumread him. Big difference in what he's trying to communicate there. There's that and the fact that the prior argument in his massive post he's trying to apply it as if LS was a rational town player when he is town, but I know for the fact that he is not. Where this gets murky is that Tictock I do not believe has actual exposure to playing with him, so that entire first part could just be sheer ignorance on his part. It's just that his Holy Guardians performance gives me some pause in townreading him for that post. Actually that is a decent point, I was just remembering that Fidei was the only person LS talked about when asked who he scum read past Damdred. | ||
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On September 22 2015 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: not only that his last "real post" is a case on LS... I explained that I didn't leave myself proper time to play out that EoD as. I wanted. Also explained why I consolidated with the rest of town in my first post today. I'll prob ninja vote today too kus this is my only break before eod i think. | ||
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On September 22 2015 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: no, you don't get to do this shit again when you haven't done anything this day phase. 1) Why did you not vote for LS while making a big case on him? 2) Why don't you put any thought into your number analysis or even check if you are correct? 3) Why do you 100% parrot me on LS and write 1000 words about it instead of sayign "i agree with rayn LS is the best lynch here"? 4) Why are you not scumhunting instead on (2) and (3) and not even doing that properly? 1) That post was my feelings/read on LS after. I filter dove him Dandel was also hovering in my scum reads at the time. 2) I put plenty of thought into that, I even went back and double checked when BM posted about it. Just kus I missed one role and you feel like your the god of thois setup rayn doesn't mean I just blindly trust what you say. 3) Those were my thoughts, As far as i recalled you had only talked about the point that geript wouldn't visit LS. 4) I am scumhunting, just not in a way you like Apparently. | ||
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On September 22 2015 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: never. well he said something but that didn't really answer anything at all. Remind me what these were tomorrow and I'll respond to them. Def dont have time atm. | ||
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On September 22 2015 05:02 Rels wrote: I obsed Himalayas, and in that game rsoultin used as a reasonning LS was town since he was unable to lie. HTS and you used the same reasonning this game. So unless he broke his meta completely, he's town. Plus that geript bit is bothering me. Why the fuck would he lie about that. Reading the OP, it's not actually clear the wraith haunts someone the night the are killed. I checked that 'cause I found it weird, and it's not written on the role description. Holy shit this, I didn't even think about that. Geript wasn't dead till daypost how could he have haunted LS? | ||
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I'm mobile, but let me see if. I can dig something up real fast. | ||
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On September 11 2015 10:49 Tictock wrote: IML sounds fine to me especially the way you have 2 sets of voting to control it. Majority lynch in general sounds pretty rough to me in large games, but for a 13p it feels good. Also 72 hour days would be pretty brutal if there was no option to cut that short. The whole no flip thing still sounds rough to me, but everything else... Amazing! One question though: Haunting is done only after death? Like role is basically VT until dead? Also I assume players are only notified "visted by wraith" Crap this never got an answer pre-game. But it seems really odd to me that wraith could visit before he died or visit the same night he died. I'd really preffer to lynch LS based on this. | ||
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Putting my vote on LS kus I honestly think he make a fakeclaim here. Lynching Damdred isn't bad either, but I know I missed stuff from him. | ||
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On September 23 2015 08:28 LightningStrike wrote: No one even got killed o.o Jesus I not going to defend myself for another 72 hours...... Humm, Damdred is pretty much confirmed mafia right? Like had he been town you would have been shot for sure. Mafia not going for the soup kill is interesting though. Theres a few possible reasons why not but to me it seems likely that they are leaving you alone for WIFOM purposes. | ||
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On September 23 2015 08:33 Half the Sky wrote: I know someone said they mentioned Tictock looked bad from this and possibly Fidei and Fecalfeast since there was near zero resistance to this lynch at the end. I know I had my vote on Damdred then I unvoted and re-voted him again. Preliminary thoughts. Nice work angel crew. I know this logic doesn't prove much... But if I were scum here, that would have been a really stupid play for me to vote with my about-to-be-lynched teammate Damdred so close to EoD. Damdred voted and made that claim after I had left the thread. | ||
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On September 23 2015 08:39 Vivax wrote: This also tells us that 1 of shining or Damdred was mafia (or both), unless shining was exo. Would be pretty bad luck though. Humm I suppose that possibility means we can't know 100% if Damdred was mafia or not. Ugh, no flip sucks. | ||
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I know rayn and a few others are were pretty convinced I am scum, so lets see those cases. | ||
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raynpelikoneet Fecalfeast Bill Murray Tictock Vivax Rels Half the Sky LightningStrike Fidei86 Like FF I'm thinking the no-soup is a play for WIFOM to keep us looking at LS as well as Damdred claiming the redcheck. There is still the possibility that LS is mafia but only in the world where he and Damdred hard bus each other. So despite the issues I had with LS's claim I think we have to assume LS is town. So the last 2 mafia have to be within these players. Fecalfeast Bill Murray Tictock Rels Half the Sky Fidei86 I know I'm not mafia, and the only world where I can see Rels possibly be mafia is if LS is mafia. So that leaves me with these players to re look at. Fecalfeast Bill Murray Half the Sky Fidei86 | ||
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From a casual glance through filters I'm feeling like BM and HtS are pretty clearly town. There are some differences in their play from what I've seen of them as town in the past, but nothing that jumps out to me as scummy. For HtS it's tonal, shes not as vocal or as thorough as I've seen her before as town. I like most of her points though, I'm just getting some funny feels from her. BM is totally different this game than I've seen him before. He's super active and engaged compared to what I've seen before from him as town. I'm definitely going to need to reread his filter in detail because of this, but almost everything I recall reading from him has felt very towny to me. Shift in meta vs towny behavior, I'd lean on the behavior everytime. So from my list before I'd initially put Fidei and FF as my top scumspects. FF looks a little worse to me, but I've found myself agreeing with some of his posts (like the one I commented on ~hr ago). Posts like these jump out at me though. On September 18 2015 01:57 Fecalfeast wrote: it does not lynchables: damdred LS BM Dandel fuck em all On September 22 2015 06:14 Fecalfeast wrote: I am going to work I will be back in 15 or fewer minutes. I am down for killing damdy/TT/fidei or even LS fuck it kill em all He was also very late to join the lynch on damdred. I'd need to check in more detail but this seemed odd given how he pretty much stated he was just sheeping rayn. So doesn't care who we lynch but is last to vote for Damdred (who I'm fairly convinced was scum). For Fidei my main issue was his WoT opening. He started with a somewhat flippant townread on LS (basically said this is how LS plays everygame, what he's used to seeing) then concludes that there is scum pushing LS. There is also a later post where he says he" found LS's defense super unconvincing" which looks a little odd given his early townread, but given the large amount of time in between posts it's hard to tell what Fidei is thinking. So FF and Fidei would be my current bet for the last 2 scum. I'll do some more proper rereading tomorrow when I have time and flesh this all out. | ||
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WTF was that lynch on BM guys? Rayn you especially... I'm shocked you jumped to that conclusion that he was Cop or Mafia and pushed an insta-lynch with a laundry list of roles for mafia to fill in >.< GG Rels. I felt like you were going for the pocket on D1, I kept it in mind but you played really well when others didn't. Your push onto Dandel probably should have been more of a flag, but you did a good job on that case. Overall just well played. Fidei, way to be carried. Lol. Sorry I called you mafia FF, but I was pretty sure there was one mafia between you and Fidei. Ironically that last DayPhase was starting me on thinking one of Rels or Rayn had to be mafia as well. Rough setup. Soon as I saw the lynch go down putting us 6/2 with 3 claims out there I knew we were eating soup. GJ of figuring out the setup. Knew there was a reason I was hoping to roll scum >.< | ||
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On September 25 2015 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am curious had you guys 100% won if BM hadn't been a retard? Dude... you need to learn how to play nicer with others. Calling everyone bad and shitting on anything you don't like makes this game not fun. You get good reads sometimes sure, but gotta cool them jets sometimes. | ||
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On September 25 2015 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's impossible to explain anything for people who don't even bother to read and understand the setup so... I agree this setup is rather... advanced, and is probably best played with people who are more familiar with the setup and stuff. Problem is this game clearly had a bunch of people in it who were unfamiliar with the mechanics. This is going to have to impact how you deal with your fellow town. Town made bad plays all over the place this game, and Rels carried the mafia team pretty hard. Pretty much comes down to that in the end I guess. | ||
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United States6051 Posts
On September 25 2015 07:30 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly I just got home and man that hammer on BM was super bad idk what the fuck were you guys thinking of lynching him...... Also I figured Damdred was scum and was right on him since Day 1 Yep gj on your one read! Lol Why on why did you claim as Pope LS? Lol Guess I shoulda trusted more in HtS's meta. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
Mosta of the things you guys scum read me for were funny though. Like mentioning that Vivax had been afk for a long time ^.^ | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On September 25 2015 07:37 LightningStrike wrote: I thought I would of gotten lynch honestly so that why I claimed. If it wasn't for the claim we wouldn't of lynched Damdred honestly. Fair enough, you might be right. Though I think I was sorta townreading you before that claim. The claim threw me, mostly kus it was weird that geript visited you N1 after scum reading you but also kus the wording on that role isn't super clear. @ Geript Actually why did you visit him after scum reading him pretty hard? Some kinda percentage play? | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
Like that bit of WIFOM on the soup coulda been great for us. I was sorta planning to claim crusader and bait out a fail soup. *Noticed Rels was thinking Crusader was still alive as D3 started in their QT | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On September 25 2015 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: c'mon do you think Rels does not read the roles? ffs.... Uhh this was before you knew Rels was mafia... Besides... FIDEI THERE IS THE CHANCE I AM KILLED BY BM BEING GRANDIER OR CRUSADER IF THAT HAPPENS, FOLLOW RAYN'S PLAN AND COUNTERCLAIM TT IF HE IS NOT THE CRUSADER He clearly thought that... And yea Rels, after Rayn claimed and Town insta lynched BM for reasons the game was yours regardless of that. But if it had been you trying to soup LS Vivax and me, then town mighta had a shot. | ||
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