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On September 15 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote: Step 1: Buy a duck. Step 2: Buy 3 lbs of cream cheese. Step 3: ????????????? Step 4: Profit. I don't believe in ducks. | ||
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On September 15 2015 06:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: woe is upon me. getting vt actually gets fairly boring after a while. confirmed not VT | ||
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On September 15 2015 06:46 Wile E. Coyote wrote: I really hope claiming vt is not a thing here because that would be unfortunate whose smurf are you? is that something everyone knows? or are you an actual secret smurf? | ||
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On September 15 2015 06:47 MoosyDoosy wrote: unfortunately it's very true. i've gotten vt every other time besides my first game on this site when i pulled a doctor. i was hoping to pull mafia for once or something but no luck. I was hoping for mafia to and I got it! yay! | ||
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On September 15 2015 06:50 Damdred wrote: Town Lidt so far: Ritoky koshi sorta leaning moose ceph good good It's kinda scummy you didn't include me. | ||
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On September 15 2015 06:58 justanothertownie wrote: Hm, I doubt he is losing any credibility tbh. This is funny. | ||
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why do you think it isn't? | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:06 geript wrote: Correction. I know I want to lynch palmAr. I think I want to lynch Damdred. you're a moron | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:06 Damdred wrote: I don't want to pocket you so early palmar You could've just added another section and called me 100% mafia. That would've been quite townie of you. | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:08 Cephiro wrote: To be honest, I don't understand why anyone would peg that as "overreacting", but maybe I'm trying to take this game too seriously for someone who hasn't played in a while. Regardless, I'm going to continue addressing things pointed at me while I'm around and have the time to do so. I see no reason not to, unless it becomes blatantly obvious that someone is stirring shit up for the sake of spamming the thread. It was 100% unabashed overreacting. But I don't think it makes you mafia. | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:08 geript wrote: Since I'll be busy tomorrow and wednesday with an Interview I should get and ACLS, I might as well explain now. PalmAr becvause he feels all wrong; he's actually taking the game seriously which is a first in a million games (fyi those games he was town). Damdred because bad reads. That's a bullshit reason. At the time you formed that read on me, I hadn't made even a single post that could be considered an actual serious post. | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol did marv roll scum? I have inside information that marv is probably away tonight. | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: I was kinda referring to the fact a lot of people look town atm. yeah I got that, I was just sort of offering that information. | ||
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trade secrets. | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:22 geript wrote: And had you been trolling how you have for the past idk like 5 games? I don't know. I think so. It generally depends on if I'm around or not. Do you still think I'm mafia? | ||
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I can't tell if geript making up reasons to call me mafia makes him mafia. Cephiro is 100% town. | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I like this read, Palmar has a point imo. I know. But bringing up a read on me based on wrong things is extremely stupid, even for geript. I don't know if he just randomly picks a fight with me like that as mafia. off 4real now. | ||
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On September 15 2015 07:31 justanothertownie wrote: For some reason I liked his last post too. he's not in your QT is he? | ||
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On September 15 2015 09:02 marvellosity wrote: Palmar doesn't really deserve the number of townreads he has at this point, it's way too early. Why not? I think I've been for the most part fairly helpful and sensible which should usually make me town. | ||
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On September 15 2015 18:52 marvellosity wrote: since when does this make you town? since when have i ever read you based on you being "helpful and sensible"? cmon dear. I'd like to think that's how you read me town. I want to lynch geript, how do you feel about this? | ||
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On September 15 2015 18:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am gonna run to the grocery store really quick. marv i hope you're here when i get back. could you please give your opinion on geript when you have a chance to. I'm on it. | ||
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On September 15 2015 18:54 marvellosity wrote: you wouldn't like to think that at all, you know how i read you as town, i've done it enough times :> uh, i've either not read geript's posts yet or i've forgotten them. so no idea. It's not about his posts. I made some very unserious posts. He called me mafia for being serious. I asked him "actually I hadn't been serious???" He said "have you trolled in the last 5 games" Which is basically nonsensical. Borderline too stupid to come from mafia, but still. | ||
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On September 15 2015 18:58 justanothertownie wrote: I would ignore you unless I start to think you are mafia. But since you knew how it went last game doing this would already be a point in favor of you being mafia so there is that. Last game I had a very specific point to tunnel, I haven't even read your posts this game. | ||
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"I am very suspicious of people who think I'm town". This is a semi-hard play to make as mafia. | ||
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On September 15 2015 19:04 justanothertownie wrote: See? Now you are calling me town. I'm mostly calling myself town. He might be right about you. | ||
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On September 15 2015 19:05 justanothertownie wrote: It is also your townmeta btw. The difference is that I usually am eventually right. There's just some collateral damage while I'm getting there. | ||
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I have decided I want to lynch geript for calling me mafia and making up reasons as he went. | ||
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On September 15 2015 19:27 Koshi wrote: Also the constant mentioning of my name clearly shows your deep passion to see me post. All 3 of you. It's ok. I understand I am needed. which 3? | ||
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On September 15 2015 19:29 Koshi wrote: Ugh I widh geript was here. One of the few that makes sense. Should I bother trying to talk you into being less wrong, or are you committed to being useless? | ||
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On September 15 2015 19:31 Palmar wrote: Should I bother trying to talk you into being less wrong, or are you committed to being useless? Like I don't think you're mafia. I have been on the receiving end of a koshi tunnel. It's like a Palmar tunnel except even dumber, more stubborn, less reasonable and makes trying to talk to you a living hell. Although I am okay with your jat read. | ||
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I am ignoring koshi now. I don't think he's mafia and I don't think he has anything valuable to say so meh. I don't have the mental stamina to fight through the dumb so I'll just pretend it doesn't exist. (on that note, it'd be awesome if you could just literally click a button like filter, except that instead of showing all posts by one player, it hides all posts by one player). | ||
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This is rayn's absolute forte as town. Both the pushes he has made so far (jat/geript) are based on spotting something that is inconsistent or not sensible and attacking it. This is literally how he finds mafia every time he does so. This is the most rayn thing in the universe. I even have an IRC log between rayn marv and I where we're discussing exactly this. I have no faith rayn can be faking this. | ||
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On September 15 2015 20:36 justanothertownie wrote: ^ This guy is sheeping my point on geript while also putting him in his scumlist. He is doing the exact same thing I do. Either we are both mafia or your argument does not make me mafia. let's lynch you both and find out. | ||
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rayn koshi (although I'm do not believe he exists as a corporeal entity) cephiro moosy damdy with the bottom two being slightly less firmly in there. This means there's mafia in onegu marv warwaffle ritoky jat wile geript Note that I generally hand out townreads relatively freely on day 1 so I might be wrong on like 1 guy or something. | ||
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On September 15 2015 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv is it normal for Palmar to not townread you here? Do you think marv is town? | ||
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On September 15 2015 21:06 marvellosity wrote: historically no, although he has been writing me off as town near the start of games in more recent times. i'm fairly sure there will be more to come, so i'm not going to make anything of it for now This is wrong. Until I have a reason to think you're town or mafia I'm sort of just ignoring your alignment. You haven't really done anything that you can't do as either alignment. | ||
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Marv is right. I generally don't really townread him early. Lately I have been less hesitant to just ride it out if I see something that looks town, none of which I have seen this game. I don't think that makes him mafia though, if he is mafia he has not yet given himself away. | ||
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did you see something I missed? like why? | ||
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On September 15 2015 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is actually playing the game instead of being jerk to people. But he did say I didn't deserve townreads and now I feel hurt and betrayed. | ||
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Actually that sounds like a great strategy. | ||
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On September 15 2015 21:41 Wile E. Coyote wrote: palmer why do you town read moose? I think i mis quoted that Because he said something that first time (?) mafia players would have a hard time saying. | ||
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wait what which part is a lie? That he would be playing mafia for the first time if he rolled mafia here? | ||
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On September 15 2015 06:47 MoosyDoosy wrote: unfortunately it's very true. i've gotten vt every other time besides my first game on this site when i pulled a doctor. i was hoping to pull mafia for once or something but no luck. On September 15 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote: i am terrible as town and never gotten mafia. does that help? are you saying he's just randomly lying about his game history rayn? | ||
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care to elaborate? | ||
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Rayn, are you moosy? | ||
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didn't think so. | ||
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On September 15 2015 22:01 Wile E. Coyote wrote: You have to ask yourself if a "smurf" lies about stuff like that does it even matter? The point of a smurf is to erase all meta and play barebone mafia. Anyway its not a lie if your talking about me No one is talking about you. | ||
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On September 15 2015 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: i don't know yet. i am not entirely sure if it makes him mafia or not. i would rather not discuss this. i just want to point out lies when someone does it. yeah but you can't just point out lies and then go "but it's all top secret. you need clearance level 6 to access that information". Like you've literally introduced more chaos into the game with this, because I believe you, or rather, I believe you believe what you're saying. And it's extremely frustrating I can't do anything with that information because top secret. | ||
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On September 15 2015 22:02 Wile E. Coyote wrote: rayn do you think him lying makes him mafia? I just asked that, follow the thread pls | ||
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I think the thing about him being suspicious of people who think he's town is a relatively advanced mafia play to make, because it requires a willingness to sort of admit that you yourself haven't been playing like a townie. I'm not saying it's something only super scum are capable of, but it at least means you have to think more than just a little bit about your play. Do you reckon that whatever extra information you have invalidates this read based on him being potentially more experienced than I think? | ||
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On September 15 2015 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think you should think he is town for this. He is not afraid to post and he is not afraid to post basically anything. And he can be figured out if he is scum. you suck. But ok. | ||
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I tend to believe myself more than I believe others. | ||
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On September 16 2015 00:05 MoosyDoosy wrote: Palmar may or may not be Mafia. He goes down to null. why? | ||
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On September 16 2015 00:12 MoosyDoosy wrote: You're coming off as reasonable in your posts which has never been a thing. Just wait until I'm right. Then you can really go after me. Reasonable and correct. | ||
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On September 16 2015 00:34 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also Palmar, I would completely say that I'm suspicious of people who townread me even if it's my first time as Mafia. So you're going to have to townread me for something else. I don't really believe you. I also don't doubt that you believe what you're saying, I just think you're wrong about yourself. Can you clear up the whole thing with you actually having rolled mafia before and what rayn is talking about? | ||
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On September 16 2015 00:31 MoosyDoosy wrote: Never before in real life, forum, or anywhere else. why is he saying that then? | ||
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On September 16 2015 04:41 Wile E. Coyote wrote: it troubles me that anyone would sheep marv. esp over you There are very real reasons to sheep marv in just about any game. | ||
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Like if marv thinks me/rayn are town, we should never ever ever be lynched unless you believe it's a scum/scum situation. | ||
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On September 16 2015 04:55 Wile E. Coyote wrote: i mean thats nice in this game hes not been a town leader more of a floater Doesn't matter. Yes he's been shit. He's routinely shit on day 1. If he doesn't do anything smart before the day ends we lynch him. He's relatively easy to deal with as long as people are open to the possibility he is mafia in later days. The problem is he plays very "clean" when he's mafia so it requires people to actually look into things like tone and relative thread presence to figure him out. | ||
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On September 16 2015 05:03 Koshi wrote: ITT: Palmar trying to buddy marv. Still he got to keep him at a distance because he already gave out too many townreads. I am literally unable to buddy marv. Like one of the reasons I have no fear I'll be lynched is because he'll be forced to protect me. If I ever get lynched with the approval of marv, he is 100% mafia. | ||
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Geript is arguing that I am mafia. I am not mafia. You seem to think it's a possibility I am mafia, which is very uncharacteristic for you. | ||
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On September 16 2015 10:29 TheWarWaffle wrote: [/b]Palmar: Appears to be town. Sheeps raynpelikoneet and assures us that he is for sure town based on the way he is playing. Is suspicious of MoosyDoosy but doesn't want to lynch him for reasons unknown. Wants to lynch marvellosity instead. I think the bit I wrote on rayn is possibly the single most valuable and insightful read present in the thread, yes it's just one townread but it is a great point. The rest of your bit is just an incorrect summary. I do not want to lynch marv, or well, I don't want to lynch him because I think he's mafia. There are some alarms in his play but I am not going to do anything about them today. If he is mafia he's doing the Imperial version (where he is not obvious) as opposed to the shit version that you can lynch on day 1. So why did you get the idea I want to lynch marv? The other part is about Moosy, someone I gave a townread based on the way he talked about himself. Apparently rayn wants me to just ignore that based on fairies and rainbows. Like I get it, reading is hard, but 2 out of 3 points you made on me are just completely false. | ||
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On September 16 2015 18:40 marvellosity wrote: no, it isn't? I've had my vote on you many times in the past when you were town, it just never sticks further, i very clearly stated i could understand why he was writing what he was writing, although i didn't agree with the conclusion (i said this more than once) why no ready? This is just blatantly false. Your statement about what you said is not true. Here's the post where you "agree" with geript: On September 16 2015 01:39 marvellosity wrote: *raises eyebrow* i like what you wrote about palmar. i like less how you've handled damdred and whatever this read is on rayn. the damdred thing feels like you made a mistake last night with how you approached him and decided to go for the full backpedal today. but i'm not sure enough that that has to be the narrative. can you tell me why you were suspicious of him yesterday? I bolded the part that came just a few posts after geript posted something about me. SINCE you wrote that post you have written exactly 8 posts, none of which elaborate or talk more about how or what you liked about geript's post on me. So no, you did not very clearly state that you understood but disagreed, and you did not say it multiple times. | ||
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yeah but you're mafia so that doesn't count. | ||
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On September 16 2015 19:09 marvellosity wrote: geript was only further elaborating on points he'd already made. ok I went back and checked, yes he did lay out his points earlier. | ||
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I don't, he counted "calling Koshi dumb" as a point against someone, whereas I think calling koshi dumb is a fantastic use of your time. | ||
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Also I can't even remember cephiro posting after a strong start so he is getting a downgrade. | ||
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On September 16 2015 19:18 marvellosity wrote: probably because I couldn't care less is the correct usage, dopeydrawers It's a phrase that has always confuse me. There's another one which is "jack shit", which I've taken to mean "anything at all". So when people say "you're doing jack shit to help" it really should be "you're not doing jack shit to help" And yes it's more glaringly obvious with "I couldn't care less". In fact "I could care less" literally means the opposite of what most people intend for it to mean. | ||
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On September 16 2015 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not gonna say anything more onto that. The dude is mafia though. Yeah but the whole "because I said so" thing is super unconvincing. Also I had a minor townread on him. Bad things generally happen when my minor townreads get lynched. I'm going to re-read geript, but I feel like he has had very little impact on the game while holding relatively strong opinions. | ||
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On September 16 2015 19:23 marvellosity wrote: like i literally remember Palmar making a really clever point DEFENDING moosy last game we played together because moosy kept misremembering names... It wasn't that clever. On August 27 2015 02:14 Palmar wrote: moosy seems to get people mixed up easily. I think that is irrelevant and at best slightly townie (doesn't worry too much about mistakes). Still, it was correct. | ||
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Waffle is wrong, bad and hasn't paid any attention to the game. Why does this make him mafia? | ||
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Also he immediately jumped waffle who is like the easiest target in the thread. I have no idea if waffle is scum, but just slapping a quote around the post and saying "this is bad" is not the reason waffle would be mafia. That's just cheap points. | ||
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On September 16 2015 19:38 marvellosity wrote: i'm not sure you can equivocate the 2, tbh. one he was hard-defending a scumbuddy based on previous soul reads here he's just giving out townreads. even if he's mafia it's hard to pick out an agenda there, unlike in XXX Maybe 2 of me/koshi/rayn are mafia! | ||
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On September 16 2015 19:41 marvellosity wrote: the towniest thing about waffle is his first post where he interjects a random comment and is happy just to sit and leave it there and not post again for ages. which does create some waffle. aaayyyyy | ||
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On September 16 2015 20:02 justanothertownie wrote: I think damdred started the game throwing townreads around and then at some point just fell off a cliff. On the surface this makes Damdred town. | ||
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The first part, sorry. I've already explained. Like the #1 reason I call Damdred mafia every game is because he's being timid and careful with reads. If I assume that I'm right that he's more backwards as mafia, his coming out of the gates with a bunch of careless reads is towny. | ||
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On September 16 2015 20:20 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote Cephiro 1) lied with first post, or tried to make joke around OP. Both are scummy. 2) overreaction / overdefensive 3) Too sensible and too many questions leading nowhere. 4) Palmar 100% townread on Cephiro On September 16 2015 20:38 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote Cephiro What now Koshi? | ||
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On September 16 2015 20:35 Koshi wrote: Palmar, want to lynch marv? He just defended me, which I liked. | ||
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On September 16 2015 20:43 Koshi wrote: There is no way town Palmar goes from 100% town cephiro to voting him without restating his initial townread. It's more of a reaction test. I don't actually think Cephiro is going to flip mafia, although it's more likely than it was before. | ||
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This is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but no, no way. Turning around me with tunnelvision is not an easy thing to do. I am 100% certain you would not have pulled it off as mafia. Also why, precisely, do you think marv is mafia? | ||
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Like I don't want to townread him based on that as it's unrelated, but I've sort of been looking over the fact that his activity is slightly less than normal. Also, @marv, do you think jat calling you out makes him mafia? | ||
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you're saying that he didn't actually incorrectly recall it, and that it was an intentional mistake. | ||
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In order to scumread moosy I have to assume way more of his scumgame than I'd normally apply to a guy playing his second game. There is a reason I'm generally good at reading new players, it's because they are usually fairly transparent. It's only when people have played a bunch of games that they start to have a layered approach to mafia. To borrow terminology from another mafia community: Level 1 mafia is very unlikely to: 1) admit he's been scummy by calling people townreading him suspicious 2) intentionally misremember things or do bad things and expect townreads in return You're basically asking us to assume moosy is at least level 2 scum. (I still haven't figured out what guys mean when they say levels beyond 1 and 2...) | ||
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On September 16 2015 22:12 marvellosity wrote: i don't even know what levels are I just saw people use it in that 80 player game I played in. The idea is that a level 1 player will be very straightforward. For example LightningStrike is permanently on level 1. Level 1 play is often very good play, but it simply means playing mafia like you'd expect. Try not to act suspicious, try to blend in, shoot the townies who are right, don't try to wifom/big play. Any levels beyond that seem to be when you start to do things that don't make sense on the surface. An example is to do something too scummy to be scum, to shoot people who townread you and try to wifom that into bending other players to you etc etc. | ||
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On September 16 2015 22:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: Actually, when I am Mafia, I do try and replicate my town game as much as possible. Also, this is not my second game. It's my ...6th game? 5th game? Not too sure. Like just lynch me lol. I'd love to see rayn face palm and shit all over the thread and blame it all on me saying it's my fault I made no sense. Trying is very different to succeeding. | ||
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On September 16 2015 22:18 marvellosity wrote: ok. that's probably what bugs meant when i first came on to the scene. he described that i had a natural flair for doing what mafia "shouldn't" do right from the get go. Take Damdred this game as an example. Level 1 mafia damdred tries to blend in, is not very helpful and doesn't really commit to shit. He's in general boring, hardly visible and shit. This is how I caught him in Imperial, but I've also taken him for mafia as town based on the same things. This game damdred comes riding in throwing townreads around like they're candy. What does this mean? If we assume damdred is level 1 mafia, he must now be town because he's not playing like mafia. If we assume damdred is capable of level 2 mafia, he might still be scum. In general I never try to lynch mafia beyond level 1 on day 1, because 90% of mafia are level 1 anyway (this usually includes myself too...) | ||
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the guy literally claimed to have an idea of how he plays mafia after assuring us he'd never rolled mafia. | ||
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On September 15 2015 08:28 MoosyDoosy wrote: Actually my first forum Mafia games were on TL. And I've only played real life Mafia a few times and I've actually rolled town/doctor in those games too. Never rolled mafia in my whole life. Quite unfortunate. On September 16 2015 00:31 MoosyDoosy wrote: Never before in real life, forum, or anywhere else. | ||
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Now you both (rayn and moosy) explain exactly what all this bullshit is about. If you didn't want to talk about it you shouldn't have brought it up in the first place. | ||
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On September 16 2015 22:45 Koshi wrote: You do realiwe he is talking about playing the ga;e mafia in that first quote right: I do not realise that | ||
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On September 16 2015 22:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: rayn brought it up. *points fingers* yes but now you guys just explain. rayn also thinks you're mafia because of it. | ||
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On September 16 2015 23:03 Koshi wrote: I ll quickly comment on how terrible you all are. The irony | ||
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On September 16 2015 23:24 justanothertownie wrote: So Palmar, a few questions: How do those posts compute? You said yourself that marv is FORCED to read you town if you are town. Do you think marvs reaction to me was a townmarv reaction? Like, you are good at this shit. Do you think townmarv would just -shrug- and let it slide? Do you think it is a townmarv reaction to instantly OMGUS myself instead of calling it weird when I push him for it? I don't like how he immediately felt the need to call me mafia for it. That's not what he usually does. Yes he will defend me when I'm town. This is irrelevant of his own alignment. In general if he doesn't look like obvious mafia and is actually defending me I'm more than willing to give him a chance to be right/useful for the day. So yes, him defending me doesn't mean he's town, but it also means he's doing the right thing and he even gave the right reasons (cited my overall tone if I recall correctly, which marv has told me multiple times is a very important factor in how he reads me. I apparently just sound like mafia when I'm mafia). I think you're mafia so I'm biased. Yes I think it's completely reasonable of marv to call you mafia. I don't think there is any reason to call him one. Koshi is sort of excused because he's bad, but why you tried to ride that train too I don't know. Also, why are you asking me to explain things that should be obvious. There is no contradiction in the statements above, you're just trying to present them as one. I'd call you 100% mafia for it if it wasn't apparenly something you do (see trfel question last game, this is comparable). | ||
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It's not really that he said it, but rather the genuine "I'm going to try to help" tone he did it with. | ||
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I know. If there's mafia between me and you I'm almost certain it's you. | ||
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On September 17 2015 00:15 justanothertownie wrote: That's a good question. The problem with this game is that I should have way more townreads than I actually have at this point and it makes it hard to find mafia. If Palmar and you do not want to lynch marv I won't be getting him lynched anyways since I will not be around later. So I will probably assume he is town instead and deal with him if we are both alive day2. What are your townreads? | ||
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Yes, you play level 1 mafia most of the time. Everyone does. It's not really a skill level, but rather an almost wifom-depth level. If I recall correctly you mostly get caught on level 1 stuff too (activity, involvement, insight) etc. I don't know now though. Like despite you arguing it, the background stuff I posted earlier was 100% true, but the attack on marv, even if I think it was bad, doesn't quite fit that narrative. | ||
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On September 17 2015 00:30 MoosyDoosy wrote: Okay yeah, so your vote is useless. Who else are you looking into today then? sass I don't think I want to lynch Moosy, I kinda think I actually stand by my earlier do not lynch list aside from maybe Cephiro. marv, why are we killing cephiro? | ||
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On September 17 2015 00:44 justanothertownie wrote: I haven't ever been caught for activity or involvement and probably never will. The only reliable way to read me is to see what I am doing eod because for some reason sometimes I just don't know what to do then. yeah I've been getting random b tags in my text. Why did I figure out you were mafia in XXX? Wasn't it because I thought you were boring/uninvolved? | ||
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On September 17 2015 00:52 justanothertownie wrote: I also don't see any reason to townread damdred or warwaffle. I have already explained why damdred should (level 1) be townread. I think that's more than good enough for today. | ||
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He kinda sounded townie when Koshi wanted to murder him back in the beginning of the day. There is really not much else to it, and he's dropped off, but still, I'd like to think you have a reason other than "why not"? | ||
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On September 17 2015 00:47 marvellosity wrote: same question to you then. can you tell me why not? i explained my feelings with my original vote. One of the things that makes me want to kill you every fucking game is your refusal to rehash your reasons knowing full well your filter is long and almost entirely useless. Like I'd ask you to rehash your reasons but I know you're just gonna be an ass about it | ||
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On September 17 2015 01:06 marvellosity wrote: at some point some nice-looking prose that mostly talks about yourself/game theory that mostly happened in the first 12-24h stops looking good and starts to look quite bad when it is all the substance of your game. is this directed at me? | ||
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yeah, if cephiro is mafia it's probably mostly because he took a fairly universal townread on him and just sat on his ass with it. | ||
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On September 17 2015 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cephiro is mafia because when he is town he tries to find mafia, when he is mafia he is more interested in arguing why he isn't mafia and reading obvious townies town. so when he's mafia he plays my towngame. got it. | ||
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On September 17 2015 01:32 Koshi wrote: Nono. I lynched you there. Costed me a lot of posts. But I did it. Then it was all rapidly downhill for you. | ||
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On September 17 2015 01:33 geript wrote: Plz marv. Plz just trust me on this read. I tried to in part kinda bs a read on him to explain it slightly. But tbh part of what I've seen of his townplay is an early similarity to how I played town early. Over importance and confidence in his reads/worth to town. That's something that, like Prome said about me once, I think he would have a hard time replicating as scum. geript doesn't know. | ||
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On September 17 2015 01:47 justanothertownie wrote: Hm? I thought people were talking about him almost all game. Well he's never really been the subject of "here's a case, let's lynch this guy". Stop being an asshole please, you know exactly what I'm trying to say. | ||
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Im on my phone now but I should be able to be here before the deadline Moving my vote to onegu for now | ||
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On September 17 2015 06:15 ritoky wrote: i kinda think this too, but i also don't know if even if moosy is town he is ever going to improve from being lynch bait. Yes. And if there is ever a game to just blindly sheep rayn it'd be this one. I am very, very confident he is town. I wrote a paragraph that may be one of the strongest towncases I have ever written on someone. | ||
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This. I know cause I agreed with damdred and thought it was a great point On September 17 2015 05:26 Damdred wrote: Yo add onto this there's this moment that just happened. He was obviously catching up in thread and he had this ah ha moment when he thought he caught moosey. It just seemed so legitimate and honest and such a town reaction. Pretty sure rayns right on him. But I think we lynch jat | ||
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Between moosy and jat I'm gonna vote jat. Sorry rayn. | ||
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On September 17 2015 05:50 geript wrote: Get the fuck out of here with that shit. I'm not a lazy fuck. Yes I'm sheeping. That's not fucking lazy. I'm not fucking ignoring the thread. I'm actively reading it. I've recognized that I don't have to time like I usualyl do to spend 8-10 hours actively in the thread and pressuring, reading and rereading, thinking, etc. I have a life to live. I get fucked over by interviewing for job that the place supposedly already has filled and gets put back to PRN. I want to extend my abilities as a nurse to be more marketable and get more pay/better job. Fuck you. Fuck Damdred too for posting that. It's not a nice thing to say; I'm not even sure it's even fucking true. But I'm not going to fucking waste my time playing a game where people don't fucking value my opinions. Fuck that. I'll go over and do soemthing that actually furthers my life instead of get stuck here being a loser trying to find scraps of work to pay for food, a place to stay, chip away at my college debt and if I'm lucky pay for a doctor's visit when I need one. Fuck you. Seriously go fuck yourself. Btw this post is super out of character for everything else geript has posted in the thread. It's way over the top angry. | ||
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On September 17 2015 06:27 marvellosity wrote: yes ok, not sure about super towny but i'm definitely getting it. hrmph It's a great point, I'm just mad I didn't make it. | ||
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Also people should never, ever, ever lynch my leaning town reads. You're all bad. | ||
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On September 17 2015 06:40 marvellosity wrote: well, ok your vote was late but whatever. Why did you vote moosy with your late vote? | ||
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On September 17 2015 06:41 marvellosity wrote: "people should never lynch my leaning town reads" "one of my townreads is always wrong" you are a penis. Yes, but statistically it means most of them is rights. I even held a goddamn seminar about why you shouldn't try to lynch mafia beyond level 1 on day 1. Also you didn't answer my question. | ||
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On September 17 2015 06:43 marvellosity wrote: thought the deadline was half an hour later. was looking through filters trying to find stuff. kept coming across towny stuff in the ones i looked at. saw your 10 seconds to go post, had to vote someone there and then so sheeping rayn (who was on someone i hadn't looked at just now) seemed like a cool thing to do meehhh~~~ Consider the waffle engaged. | ||
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although tbh that'd be a strange thing to lie about. | ||
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On September 17 2015 06:44 marvellosity wrote: *raises eyebrow* there's literally not a single possibly suspicious thing in that post lol should be obvious enough it's the truth by the way i'm casually reporting back on jat right at deadline. i'm not THAT crafty No not in that post. If you're mafia it's not for that post specifically. If you're mafia it's because you had no idea what to do today, because you were wrong on moosy (yes you get more scum points than others for being wrong) and because you sheeped something you barely believed in. | ||
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On September 17 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am demotivated rn. I'll do one of the two things; 1) i'll reread the thread and post before i go to the harbor tomorrow 2) I'll post into my mason QT later and tell my mason partner who is not mafia btw to post in the thread on D2 in case i die. I'll also make sure marv knows who my mason partner is in case i am horribly wrong on them. rayn confirmed veteran. | ||
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@ritoky what is your current read on me? | ||
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On September 17 2015 19:32 marvellosity wrote: oh i see. no, the point is that mafiarayn's pushes are on the surface pretty reasonable. i don't think this push was ever that reasonable, it just seemed he believed very strongly in it. and yet you voted for it. | ||
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On September 17 2015 19:37 marvellosity wrote: na my Palmar read is better because i'd say it's even slightly more correct, and what really makes it better is that it is often against everyone else saying i am wrong (whereas you are kinda more obviously town when you are town, usually) People have a hard on for calling me mafia. It's the way of life for a reserved, friendly and humble player like myself. | ||
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If you're town I'm reminding you that you were wrong If you're mafia I'm reminding town that you were wrong | ||
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There's 2 options here. this guy is sicklucker and sicklucker has a massive giant ego. this guy isn't sicklucker and doesn't know sicklucker is literally never going to be nightkilled this game. | ||
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marv you said "he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt". No benefit was given to him. The damdred point was about the genuine-ness of his reactions to reading the thread. There was no benefit of the doubt involved. I'm going to try to get opinions out into the thread throughout today. | ||
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On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote: Why the fuck did people sheep this retarded argument? Wile/SL wasn't even the first one pointing it out. A big chunk of this game was about that shit. Because it is not a retarded argument. Yes, people had already discussed that, but that doesn't make the argument invalid. The argument goes like this wile is reading thread wile reads something and goes "hey, fuck yeah I got this guy" wile reads on realizes that "oh wait, people already talked about it and it's been explained why it's not relevant" The idea is, wile is less likely to be mafia because he was 1) actually reading the thread 2) trying to find things that look off 3) excited when he thought he found something It's not really a complicated concept. It doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be town, but it means he's more likely to be town. Painting this as blatant lie is at best dumb and at worst scummy. He's not even stating a fact, he's stating an opinion. And I agree (although this post comes after you admittedly had started contributing more). I even said as much at least twice in the thread. On September 15 2015 18:57 Palmar wrote: I feel like JAT has basically been a non-entity this game. Maybe I should tunnel him to see what happens. On September 16 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote: JAT could also be mafia. I am actually serious that he could be. There's a lot of argumentative loud people in this game and there is plenty to stuff I talk about. I just get this overall feeling that he's always sort of in the background. Maybe I'm just ignoring his posts but whenever people are talking in the thread (for example this morning) it feels like he is offering way less to the discussion than everyone else who is talking. On September 17 2015 22:22 justanothertownie wrote: What was good about that? He clearly missed the point of the post entirely. That was more about the humor value of the post. | ||
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On September 15 2015 20:28 Palmar wrote: For the uninitiated. This is rayn's absolute forte as town. Both the pushes he has made so far (jat/geript) are based on spotting something that is inconsistent or not sensible and attacking it. This is literally how he finds mafia every time he does so. This is the most rayn thing in the universe. I even have an IRC log between rayn marv and I where we're discussing exactly this. I have no faith rayn can be faking this. On top of that. He got his lynch on moosy and he was wrong, but mafia rayn would never try to lynch someone like that. Like I think that is out of rayn's mafia range. Mafia rayn: I'm going to explain very clearly why he's mafia so I can point to that when I'm wrong Town rayn: Just trust me, he's mafia. I'm so convinced he's one that I'm not gonna worry about what happens if I'm wrong That's sort of the short version of it. | ||
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As I explained, it was super out of character with the nice helpful geript encountered just earlier that day. Like I know he's stressed out irl, but that attack on cephiro was completely uncalled for. It just doesn't fit the narrative at all, it was a massive overreaction. On the other hand, his attack on rayn tonight is so scummy that he could be town. Which is totally a thing. | ||
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Here's the thing. Marv did nothing yesterday that was super scummy throughout the day. he wasn't forced, awkward or anything that makes him mafia. This does not mean he's not mafia. It simply means he didn't fuck up if he is. Also just be permanently suspicious of him until he starts delivering mafia left and right. | ||
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Also are you saying his "rayn is scum" theory LACKS logical jumps. As in, are you saying it's "maybe too reasonable" to be town geript? | ||
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On September 18 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote: Agreed. Except for the part where he is delivering mafia left and right since he doesn't do that anymore because he is a lazy jerk. How the fuck would you know? I have no qualms about lynching a town marv for being wrong. I don't think it has happened yet so I'm not worried about it. | ||
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On September 18 2015 00:17 marvellosity wrote: cop should totally check me, that sounds like a totally sensible use of a cop's resources. good, we agree then. | ||
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On September 18 2015 00:22 justanothertownie wrote: It won't happen. That's more or less impossible with this line up - the stars would have to align for mafia. exactly. So if he's wrong we call him mafia like a million times and try to lynch him until he's literally shitting town rainbows if he is town. It's a perfect plan. | ||
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What's your point? Those posts are written at the end of the day, when there are three established wagons. It's completely consistent to say "Ceph won't flip mafia" and then to order him as the least preferable wagon of the three. | ||
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'And I'm more interested in why that is. | ||
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That the quote you just posted. It's not noteworty and I don't know why you're bringing it up. | ||
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On September 18 2015 00:27 marvellosity wrote: ah. hmmm, ok. looks like i just took his filter out of context. i retract my er?? ok but still That also means it's the second "technical" blunder you've made. 1) timing of the lynch 2) reading wile in context. | ||
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On September 18 2015 00:30 marvellosity wrote: if someone says someone is town and then a short while later is listing them as possible mafia then of course it's noteworthy the fact i lacked context just means i lacked the context the night post is literally on the same page and you should know who the wagons were. mehh~~~ | ||
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On September 18 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote: same page on someone's filter? ... stretchy stretchy, bro no same page of the game. But yes, in theory you were reading the filters with no context. idk | ||
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why did you link that, and I immediately recognized that it was nothing, but you didn't. You're meant to be like... good. | ||
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On September 18 2015 00:10 justanothertownie wrote: And to the Wile thing: Moosy was Wiles top mafiaread almost all game right? The thing we are talking about is the main reason why people scumread Moosy before rayn went full retard. And it wasn't a throwaway comment someone made at some point. It was actually said by multiple people and was a big point of discussion. So you are telling me Wile does not know why his top mafiaread is being scumread. The conclusion is that he is either totally disinterested in his top mafiaread or that he is acting. Both heavily point towards him being mafia. By fact checking I mean: This is only valid if you can prove that he was farther ahead in the thread and had already encountered the point he brought up. I haven't read his filter, so I don't know if that is true or false. If he had been part of the moosy fallout discussion, then yes, the point damdred made and I agreed with is invalid. But if he just encountered that as on the surface he appears to have done, then your point is invalid. | ||
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On September 18 2015 03:08 geript wrote: I really don't get why anyone thinks I can be mafia. But Marv/Palmar don't understand why I think rayn is mafia so... idk. Going to relax for a bit w/ league then be back later. Comment on why my analysis of rayn is wrong. | ||
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I don't care. If you're town you should be trying to convince me to vote with you on rayn. In order to do that you have to convince me that my reason for reading him town is wrong. So go back, I quoted it just this night. Read it and explain why I am wrong. | ||
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You can't say shit, and then not try to convince people you are right. | ||
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a) it's probably wrong b) he doesn't push it at all. Also, geript still hasn't seen fit to respond to my point about his rage post (or apologize about it, to my knowledge). So yeah geript is mafia. | ||
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Phone posting and won't make it before deadline. Look for mafia in Scott, geript, JAT, Marv, Onegu (I'm still the only one even mentioning him) and ceph. I think the others are town although koshi has really fallen off. I guess if JAT is mafia koshi is never mafia. He's unlikely though anyway. | ||
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On September 18 2015 06:24 justanothertownie wrote: How can you have a townread on SL and damdred? And I am not mafia that should be more than clear to you by now. I was basically spewed again tonight. How on earth were you spewed. And I explained everything else tonight | ||
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On September 18 2015 06:24 justanothertownie wrote: So what? You know that doesn't make me mafia. If I die and you are tow I have full faith in you defending yourself. So no there are reasons to think you may be mafia and I'm pointing them out. | ||
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On September 18 2015 06:28 justanothertownie wrote: There are no reasons and you aren't pointing any out either. It would be more important to say something about marv than me. Read my exchange with him today. There are also reasons he could be mafia | ||
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On September 18 2015 06:34 ritoky wrote: should i have held that shot? i kinda felt like i might have softed too hard and was gonna die tho you shot inactive trash that was always going to get lynched anyway. That's exactly how you play vig. it sucks to not know if he was mafia though, but I genuinely think it's quite likely. Just take a look at how super uninterested everyone was last night when I was trying to do something about him. | ||
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undecided if it makes him mafia. also if rayn was in fact mason his partner should claim (it's not me). | ||
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marv get on that. | ||
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On September 18 2015 07:23 geript wrote: Am I the only person that caught that Rayn wasn't confirmed to his partner and vice versa? a) rayn would probably have mentioned if he was suspicious of his partner b) his partner should claim no matter what. | ||
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Also I don't really think rayn was mason. there was no reason for him to claim it during the night, especially with the no confirm. | ||
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On September 18 2015 16:19 justanothertownie wrote: And we are never lynching Palmar before marv who has a good chance of being mafia which I told you guys n1 and got ridiculed for. This is a good plan. | ||
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On September 18 2015 15:06 Damdred wrote: I don't get how you say there are def two partners still though. Meh hard choices hard choices I don't think it matters how many mafia are left. we're just gonna lynch the scummiest people until the game ends. and today that's wile | ||
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On September 18 2015 18:12 justanothertownie wrote: I fucking told you. But no, damdreds "argument" was not retarded. No way. It's easy to say mafia is mafia when he's your teammate. | ||
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On September 18 2015 18:58 justanothertownie wrote: Sure, but in reality I am just better than you. we'll see | ||
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On September 18 2015 18:59 marvellosity wrote: now i know you're in kidding about mode wow marv... that love brings tear to my eye | ||
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On September 18 2015 19:00 justanothertownie wrote: No, I am not saying in general but concerning that discussion I was simply right and Palmar was wrong. And damdred was mafia. as long as we agree that I'm better than you I'm good. | ||
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On September 18 2015 19:00 justanothertownie wrote: And if the mafia is between you, damdred and cephiro I played the best towngame by far. 3 of the people in this post could be mafia. one of them is not damdred. (hint, the third one is the op) | ||
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On September 18 2015 19:02 justanothertownie wrote: Let's see who was more correct this game later on. If you're mafia this is void. But ok | ||
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On September 18 2015 19:03 marvellosity wrote: like comparing cow turds to kitty turds Good backtrack, you almost said something nice about someone. close one. | ||
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On September 18 2015 19:03 justanothertownie wrote: Why on earth do you think damdred is town? Because irrelevant of the fact wile is mafia, his point was valid. | ||
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Although we could check his alignment by trying to lynch him and see if he goes all emo. | ||
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On September 18 2015 19:04 justanothertownie wrote: It wasn't and even if it was it doesn't make him town. I know running out of mislynches sucks but bro... Damdred is town. also technically maybe there's just one mafia left (after wile) so there's that. | ||
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On September 18 2015 19:05 justanothertownie wrote: Those are generally the mafia. no I don't mean that he's being nice. think of it like this. Damdred is a nice guy, he's always gonna be nice. But he's very different in the way he is nice as town or scum. As scum he's meek, and almost servant-like (how can I help you. Let me point this out to you). As town he's more like your well... bro (yo, I think this). That's what I mean by being bro-like. This is meta so meh, but still. It's kinda valid. | ||
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On September 18 2015 19:08 justanothertownie wrote: No, I refuse to believe that damdred is this terrible as town. He can be terrible but not like this. If you are town and he is mafia I expect an apology post game. So who is mafia then in your opinion? Because I am not. 1-2 out of: geript, you, marv, ceph Like I actually think it's more likely it's just one person. It's possibly geript, who is just trolling at this point. | ||
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On September 18 2015 19:11 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, so I have been bussing my whole mafia team all game, hm? You know what I think of bussing Palmar. You fucking know it. If you're town all you have to do is be less mafia than the other people in this list Go forth and shit rainbows my beautiful independent manlet! | ||
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On September 18 2015 19:14 justanothertownie wrote: I already shat enough rainbows for you to mistake me for a goddamn unicorn. I can't help you if you are blind. Don't worry I like winning. If you are town I will figure it out when I have to. I'm not going to now because I don't have to right now and weekend is coming up. | ||
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yeah duh, and when you break down white light you get rainbow. That's why they shit rainbows. Your science is seriously lacking. | ||
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On September 18 2015 19:20 marvellosity wrote: i cba with that. let's win before then please. I'm in. tomorrow, you find mafia. It could very well be your last shot of finding mafia this game (if onegu was scum). Would you really be ok with a game where 0 mafia were brought to justice by marv? | ||
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On September 18 2015 19:50 marvellosity wrote: Palmar hedging/waffling on me/suggesting it's possible i'm mafia means absolutely nothing. figure it out yourself my love. It means you could be mafia, to be fair. Then again it could also mean you're town. Basically I want skulls for the skull throne. Bring me mafia and I will be satisfied. There are tangible reasons to think you're not town this game. But I'm nowhere near certain and I'm not touching your filter (and not jat's either) until I actually have to. | ||
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On September 18 2015 20:18 marvellosity wrote: who else wants to lynch ceph first? Idk, it seems like everyone is sort of fine with lynching him. | ||
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On September 18 2015 20:28 marvellosity wrote: weak reasoning, given the nature of confirmeds and unconfirmeds and stuff here. in addition there's 10 players alive, and at MOST 1 who can bus/defend cephiro, based on wile flipping mafia. I'm not saying I'm gonna defend him based on that. It's just an observation. | ||
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On September 18 2015 20:52 marvellosity wrote: ya, and i'm pointing out the observation is dumb :p you're dumb. | ||
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On September 17 2015 23:10 Palmar wrote: Because it is not a retarded argument. Yes, people had already discussed that, but that doesn't make the argument invalid. The argument goes like this wile is reading thread wile reads something and goes "hey, fuck yeah I got this guy" wile reads on realizes that "oh wait, people already talked about it and it's been explained why it's not relevant" The idea is, wile is less likely to be mafia because he was 1) actually reading the thread 2) trying to find things that look off 3) excited when he thought he found something It's not really a complicated concept. It doesn't mean he's guaranteed to be town, but it means he's more likely to be town. Painting this as blatant lie is at best dumb and at worst scummy. He's not even stating a fact, he's stating an opinion. And I agree (although this post comes after you admittedly had started contributing more). I even said as much at least twice in the thread. That was more about the humor value of the post. It's another example of sort of the same thing. I cba going back to check now, but I posted about jat being background-y and he argued that one as well. It's the whole "slight misinterpretation" -> "blatant lie". "waffly read" - > "hard scumread" | ||
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I remember jat calling out marv on day 1. I can't quite remember why that died down. | ||
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On September 18 2015 23:29 justanothertownie wrote: I did not argue being backgroundy for most of day1. I argued that it makes me mafia which it evidently doesn't. And the blatant lie was a blatant lie. On September 16 2015 19:48 justanothertownie wrote: You can say I was in the background yesterday. But not today - that's just plain untrue. Not that it would make me mafia anyways. | ||
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On September 18 2015 23:33 marvellosity wrote: a blatant lie to you but apparently to noone else in the whole game must be everyone else in the whole game yes yes! fight each other. | ||
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On September 18 2015 23:37 justanothertownie wrote: Oh, I wonder... MAYBE it died down because everyone decided that marv cannot be mafia and I could not push it anyways since I knew I would not be around for the lynch. Such humble, bending to the will of the people. | ||
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On September 18 2015 23:39 justanothertownie wrote: But sure I am obviously mafia together with everyone I attacked or called mafia. Because that is how I play mafia. level 2 wolf | ||
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On September 18 2015 23:42 justanothertownie wrote: Then say why he is mafia and push him. I don't know that he's mafia. There are reasons to think this is town. Also, we can only lynch one person today. I'm not going to do stuff I don't want to do until I have to do it. | ||
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On September 18 2015 23:45 geript wrote: Why are you so angry? I'm not mafia? Also, that job that they told me that wasn't open and offered me PRN instead I JUST GOT!!! What's to be mad about? Good question. wanna talk about your blow-up on... cephiro I think it was? | ||
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On September 18 2015 23:46 marvellosity wrote: encouraging us to break the rules of the game. tut. yeah let's get a modkill on a bitch in here. | ||
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On September 18 2015 23:41 justanothertownie wrote: What the fuck was I thinking joining this game. I knew this would happen. Maybe I should follow my own advice. You know you're just encouraging me. But no I don't always think you're mafia. I think you're mafia when you do things that are mafia like. I backed off you last game because you started doing things that were town like. I don't think you have done things that are town like this game. Or well, I have no definite moment of "aha, that makes him town.", like I found in the last game. | ||
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On September 18 2015 23:50 justanothertownie wrote: I said it was the mafia team on the exact same day. yes you parroted me, good job. | ||
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On September 18 2015 23:52 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, I parroted you so much that I needed to convince you that vivax was confirmed mafia. Get out. No, you pointed out to me that he was mechanically confirmed. I already knew he was mafia and was hard pushing him. My reads are so good I don't have to worry about mechanics. | ||
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marv is mafia #meta | ||
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On September 19 2015 00:27 justanothertownie wrote: Or maybe mafia just aren't idiots and since you are basically an innocent child but not nk worthy you are the obvious rb target. jat defends his decision | ||
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On September 19 2015 00:32 justanothertownie wrote: Nah, let's be honest I absolutely would. Level 3 scum | ||
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I guess it's another 24 hours of calling everyone bad boys! | ||
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Step 1: Jat and geript read OP On September 18 2015 07:24 justanothertownie wrote: No, reading the OP isn't that hard. Step 2: Jat and geript don't read the OP On September 19 2015 11:53 geript wrote: Shooting Rayn is kinda an interesting choice. They're choosing not to medic dodge as I think he's a bit more likely (considering most people's reads) than Marv or Palmar. The funny thing is that it feels like more of a Palmar kill than a Marv kill, but IDK if either of them would actually make that kill. So I can still live in a world where both Palmar and Marv are town. On September 19 2015 21:06 justanothertownie wrote: Medic dodging is also not as good in a 13 player mini with 1 KP. If a shot gets blocked town does not gain a mislynch and mafia did not know there was a vigi in this game. And now that I think about it - even if they suspected it the shot is good since if rayn gets saved the vigi is not confirmed regardless of who he shoots due to the janitor. There is literally no medic/jailkeeper in the game. Don't know what to do with this. The reason is, two people made the same mistake. I (mis?)remembered it being JAT who had pointed the thing about the masons, then I saw him talk about medic dodging, so I charged right to my computer in order to post why JAT is 100% mafia for this. The problem is, when I started looking into JAT's filter to see where he had said it I found it it was geript who had said the thing about the masons and JAT simply agreed with him. This means that unless those two are exactly the remaining mafia team (this is actually very possible, it just means Onegu is town), then at least one townie made the mistake. It's a great wifom bomb to throw if you're scum. "Look, I wasn't aware of mechanics that affect night kills so I can't be mafia!!!", although it also requires one, or both of them to have forgotten about having already bragged about reading the OP. Or alternatively (and much more unlikely) knowing about it and simply gambling no one would notice. So idk... | ||
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Damdred has been dropping off it feels like but still. Ceph said something about wanting to be suspicious which doesn't sound suspicious at all. I also think JAT called him out on it which is mehh~~~~ | ||
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There's too many people who need to do more, the game feels sort of undecided now. We kinda have to lynch correctly tomorrow. | ||
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scott won't get lynched this game, I think. Yes I know he's a replacement and replacements are always mafia. The problem is we don't know how many mislynches we have. Scott needs to continue posting if he's town because there definitely exists a scenario where he buses a teammate (although vigi+mason+mason seems kinda weak). Another thing. I didn't mention this last night or yesterday or whenever I was berating JAT and geript for not reading the OP, but I do not really see any option for a limited-shot tracker. (look at the difference in wording between the vigi and all the "each night" roles). if scott is tracker he has unlimited shots. This means either mafia wasn't aware of this, or (probably more likely) they're not afraid of a tracker at all (ie: they have a godfather). Or obviously, that scott is actually just mafia. But I have no interest in sorting out tinfoil hat scenarios, at least not now, so I'm treating him as confirmed town. Props to him/his team if it's a play. If we assume Onegu is mafia, Damdred can only be mafia if he is a godfather. But more importantly I don't want to lynch Damdred. I still believe the points I brought up on him make him town. I don't even care that wile eventually flipped mafia. Damdred's point about wile was a townie train of thought from Damdred. Like I know there exist multiple mechanical scenarios where Damdred is mafia but who cares, he doesn't sound like one. I'm going to read Damdred's filter later because so many people seem to think he's likely scum but for now meh. ritoky is obviously confirmed, mafia has no option for a vigilante. This leaves ceph/marv/jat/geript. All of them have good reasons to be called mafia. I almost feel like this game is "figure out jat or marv (one way or the other), figure out the game". | ||
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It's a super daunting task to read marv and jat's filter. Like there's probably no people (well holyflare is up there) whose filter I despise reading more than those two. | ||
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I like geript, and I think he's a nice, reasonable guy. In order for him to blow up on ceph like that because of real life stress, he has to be far more emotional than I think he is. Like I talk to geript on ts, play with him here and stuff, and it's just way out of his character range. Like if geript was really (and I believe he was) stressed out by his rl, the attitude I would have thought he brought to the game is more in the lieu of: "dude.... please. Just back the fuck off. rl is shit and I don't have the willpower to argue with your shit right now so just stop it please" Instead of the caps lock (it was caps, right?) tirade he went on. Maybe I just don't know geript. But it seemed excessive. Also, this: On September 21 2015 13:14 geript wrote: I'm doing the best I can with the time I can allot to this game. Is kinda not true, but it's also not a thing that makes him mafia to think. I'm mostly pointing out that he's being extremely useless if he's town. Not that it makes him 100% mafia. | ||
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On September 21 2015 18:48 justanothertownie wrote: Wow, good thing we have you to tell us what's up. It's not like I already said all of this. The setup is most likely tracker/vigi/masons vs GF/janitor/rb and yes, we do not need to worry about scott before LYLO as far as I am concerned and even then I do not think he is mafia. You will have to explain this damdred read because I do not see it at all. Who cares about damdred, you want to lynch marv, right? | ||
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On September 21 2015 18:53 justanothertownie wrote: u srs? You would not expect geript to blow up? He has done it countless times. Yeah, but not over real life stuff. He gets mad all the time, but it's the palmar kind of mad. This was another level of mad. | ||
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On September 21 2015 18:53 justanothertownie wrote: I want to lynch between marv and damdred. I think I made that very clear. pick one. | ||
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On September 21 2015 18:30 marvellosity wrote: hiyo. looong long weekend and only 2 hours sleep last night, so i'm gonna be a little slow today. ##vote marvellosity It's your time to shine baby. I expect a solved game on my desk by 5pm | ||
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I kinda want to write something about jat, but I can't be arsed to argue with him today, it's too much effort. I think I'll rather try to read some cephiro and geript and maybe a bit of damdred tonight. | ||
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Like there exists a world where marv is just mafia and the game ends today, and it's not worth my time or energy to argue with you if you end up just being town. The "0 things that make it plausible I am mafia" is just plain wrong and part of the hyperbole you've been pushing all game. I'm not sure it makes you mafia and it feels like the right thing to do to spare myself the pain of arguing with you unless I actually think you are mafia and I intend to lynch you. Currently I want to lynch marv more and he seems to be doing the "go quietly down" thing that he sometimes does. So let's just roll with that for now! | ||
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marv not doing anything when marv is getting lynched = marv is mafia. Although I do agree that would mean it's less likely Onegu is one because marv isn't a dick and would probably just concede if he cba defending himself and is the last mafia. | ||
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On September 22 2015 06:11 scott31337 wrote: Hey, I think Koshi did quite well, and has had a change of light with his hiatus to change himself. Koshi is the biggest pain in the ass to play with. He bites an idea for no good reason and just runs with it. It's fantastic when he's right on mafia but it's absolutely the worst when you're the recipient of his tunnel. It's like a palmar tunnel but 200% more stubborn and retarded. | ||
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1) the background-y-ness on day 1 really sticks with me. I feel like I was in more than a couple of conversations where your entire role in the conversation was to just chirp in at random times with something relatively pointless. 2) The strong opposition to damdred's read on wile and refusal to count it as a point in damdred's favour (even if it was wrong, it was a good observation) 3) The "blow things out of proportion" thing. I wrote the post where you called something that was just a difference in understanding a blatant lie, someone else called you out on something similar on day 2, and you did it once again today (I can't remember the context, but I mentioned it). Like you've been SUPER aggressive about shutting down ideas that involve you being mafia this game 4) I got a weird feeling from the way you talked about me possibly being mafia if marv flips mafia. I know that it's essentially correct but I always felt your stance was "Palmar is likely mafia if marv is mafia" and not "Palmar can be mafia, but isn't really likely to be even if marv flips mafia". This goes back to my #dreamteam theory (that was semi-serious at the time). | ||
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I honestly can't remember what rayn thought. | ||
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So whatever. It's probably marv or marv/geript or something. marv becomes more likely with every minute he's afk. | ||
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On September 22 2015 06:28 justanothertownie wrote: We had point 1-3) anyways. But this is just not the case. If marv flips mafia you are on the table again but I distinctly remember saying you were pretty towny anyways. I didn't do research as I said. Maybe my memory is off. | ||
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There's a lot of small to medium things that are off, but meh~~~~ I basically can't be arsed. I'm almost townreading you because its easier than reading your filter. | ||
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The things I do remember is him being fairly relaxed on day 1, getting into an argument with you (possibly koshi too) that then just got dropped. I also remember him misreading something on night 1 that I pointed out (I think someone arranged the list of scumspects from 1 to 3 and he didn't get that it was a list only the wagons). I barely can remember what he did on day 2, but I guess day 2 was a bit of a wash. Like I know he has genuinely been afk (again, he's worst vote count bitch ever for sotw2), but still, this is a bit excessive. | ||
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On September 22 2015 07:04 geript wrote: It's really not if you bother to read why people were reading XYZ. People have harassed me all game for reads that I've already given and explained. I just cba to give a fuck about repeating shit when I'm busy and they can read my relatively short filter quite easily. You're missing the point. On September 22 2015 06:51 geript wrote: I don't see how any of this makes him town whatsoever. None of this was meant to make him town. In fact quite the opposite. It's a collection of small annoying things that could possibly mean jat is mafia. I don't think it's enough to make him mafia and in general I'm too lazy to really explore the possibility, but yeah. you didn't understand that past. | ||
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On September 22 2015 18:12 geript wrote: How can you not understand that Marv can be town here? Him deciding to fuck off post cop check the go enjoy a relaxing weekend aren't alignment indicative. Especially in new Marv meta. I doubt this view will be popular or liked, but new Marv gives far fewer fucks. Far fewer. It literally doesn't matter whether marv can be town or not. With him having done nothing today it's strictly the correct play to lynch him. | ||
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On September 22 2015 15:17 geript wrote: I wonder what Palmar's mafia by post count thing would say. I vaguely recall Palmar used that when he was mafia. I cba configuring it for this game (I never wrote a good way to interact with the program so it takes a bit to set up). | ||
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This means the remaining mafia must be janitor, so damdred cannot be godfather. | ||
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On September 23 2015 06:32 justanothertownie wrote: No. Marv could have killed Koshi. oh, yes of course. | ||
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No, I'm bad. Like damdred can't be godfather, but because there were two mafia left marv could have delivered the kill. | ||
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This is like the first time in 2 years marv gets lynched as mafia (excluding palmar-lynches-marv-day1) | ||
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Thank you for being, once again, a loyal supporter and a great 3rd in command of lynching marv. Your service, no matter how insignificant, is appreciated. | ||
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On September 23 2015 06:41 justanothertownie wrote: Called it day1. You wanted to lynch me instead. :p To be fair, you were scum day 1. Then again, maybe I should start assuming that you being scum on day 1 means you're town on day 1. | ||
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I haven't read whatever was said later part of today, I got the gist that ceph got mad. I'll read it later. But yeah. | ||
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I can't remember if I pointed it out but at some point he said something like "I'm doing all I can with the time I have" when he was literally talking about penises. He has to be mafia. | ||
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It's awful but it's true. I don't want to reward retarded play. | ||
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On September 24 2015 01:11 geript wrote: Anyone who lynches me tomorrow is stupid/bad/mafia. Pick 2. Good defense. If you are somehow town, you need to explain why you are town. | ||
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On September 24 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote: this is somewhat nai and a bit of conjecture I don't believe geript would do this as scum he would more than likely start pushing ver or myself to get into a winnable situation. And its not where he's at or where he's going. I assume ver = ceph? The point is, while definitely the path of least resistance, this jat lynch isn't out of the blue. ritoky is confirmed he has committed (for a while I think) to thinking I'm not mafia. So pushing that is a suicide he's not gonna push himself so that leaves a) he pushes ceph. I think ritoky has been fairly open about defending ceph. b) he pushes you, and has to argue with me c) he pushes jat, and really only has to argue with jat. Like I don't think anyone has come out and called jat confirmed town or something. I think my half-assed endorsement with like 5 points of evidence that I might be wrong is the strongest speech of calling jat town anyone has. Also, remember, he has to lynch two people. Might as well not go for the easiest lynch today. | ||
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On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote: So for why Palmar is town. When Marv/Palmar are mafia together, I've always seen them confirm each other and work to utilize their thread capability with each other. You know, they use their names and ability to push to get people lynched; often they'll push two people and consolidate on one. It's basically how Marv operates with any vet who can control a thread in the slightest. This is semi-true. Generally marv figures out my alignment (especially when I'm being useful like this game). I sometimes figure him out (and I have been trying lately to be less waffly), but most of the time (I think) I waffle on him for a long time until we lynch mafia together. Like historically that has been the point where I start trusting marv. This sentence is just an introduction to a (directionless) point geript is making. Nothing in here suggests anything about my alignment, one way or the other. On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote: But Marv was happy to not coordinate with Palmar and vice versa. He basically avoided talking to me too much. He just wasn't there very much. In hindsight I should've thought more about it, but I guess knowing he was actually in real life afk (we're co-hosts of another game and he let me know) I gave him some leeway on activity/interactiveness. What's important here is that this is (in hindsight) very revealing about marv's alignment, but says absolutely nothing about mine. I always do my own shit if I feel I need to, and I'll do it no matter my alignment. On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:Marv seconded my early read on Palmar (although not to the same extent) and was happy to remove the townreads on him (or try); Again, this makes marv mafia, it says nothing about my alignment. (He has to call me town as mafia) On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:Palmar was happy to question Marv from D2. This is the only thing that says anything about my alignment. So let's summarize geript's reasons for why I'm town down to: "Palmar was happy to question Marv from D2" That's really the only thing in there that makes me town. It is, of course, correct, but I don't think it's a particularly insightful way of calling me town. I feel like this piece is more of a conclusion -> evidence process than evidence -> conclusion. | ||
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Damdred decided to check up on me (ok fair enough). He said he should read my filter. My filter is 17 pages of some hard hitting analysis. Time analysis is actually quite valid: On September 24 2015 12:21 Damdred wrote: just have to read jats filter again and palmar and see what I can find On September 24 2015 13:31 Damdred wrote: I just read palmars filter. I'm pretty sure he's town in this situation. He seems to waver about Marv a good bit. Pushes Marv at good times for town palmar to do so and while it is in his wheel house especially the pressure n1 just seems way out of place for a palmar and Marv scum team. He basically didn't fall into the mafia trap of saying "I read someone's filter" in 5 minutes. This is super weak though. | ||
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Don't worry too much about it. | ||
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Today we lynch geript and tomorrow I promise to lynch jat. | ||
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On September 25 2015 00:02 justanothertownie wrote: Tell me Palmar, if you think I am town - which you said earlier - why the hell do you agree to this shit? Why does lynching geript make me scum if he is town? You are better than this. lol | ||
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Yes it's a bit of a PoE, but still. | ||
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On September 25 2015 00:05 geript wrote: I can't wait to roll vigi. I'm just goign to end up shooting people who annoy the fuck out of it. Like JAT. Or players who are so goddamn awful at both sides. Like JAT. Or people who post a lot but have 0 thoughts ever in their filter. Like JAT. If you're town I'm being bad too, so let me in on the fun | ||
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Damdred could be scum because he's been sort of background-y since maybe day 2? Cephiro could be scum for just not doing anything I don't really care. I think the best lynch is geript. There are multiple reasons to want to lynch him. | ||
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On September 25 2015 06:27 justanothertownie wrote: How confident are you in this read? not particularly, I'm shifty. | ||
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My initial reaction this game was that cephiro is town. My initial reaction this game was that geript was scum. | ||
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On September 25 2015 07:08 justanothertownie wrote: You can ignore the self preservationist approach since I simply wasn't around. You could make the argument that I would probably have checked my phone once in a while as mafia but I also wasn't aware the deadline was :30 instead of :00. marv also forgot the deadline on day 1. jat/marv dreamteam confirmed. | ||
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If he thinks jat is mafia, why is he then mad at jat? jat is only doing what he has to win if he's mafia. So the outburst and his scumread on jat doesn't really fit each other. He should be mad at me for being naive enough to mislynch him over scumjat. | ||
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I honestly can't muster the energy to consider alternative scenarios unless I absolutely have to. I am very much okay with sheeping my own day 1 reads. | ||
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On September 26 2015 01:41 justanothertownie wrote: Palmar are you around? barely | ||
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Explain why geript blew up on cephiro (remember, not that much before that I had given him a "maybe not mafia" read mostly because he was being nice). Explain why geript is mad at jat for being wrong and bad when he also thinks jat is mafia in which case jat is being GOOD and not bad. Explain why geript claimed on.... day 3? that he was doing everything he could with his little time, when in reality he spent the previous 2 days talking about dicks. I'll listen damdred, but I'm not going to change my mind on a tonal "he sounds like town" thing. | ||
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On September 26 2015 01:45 justanothertownie wrote: I was about to ask you who you would lynch if geript was off the table. What do you think about damdreds defense of geript? Is he just wrong? He seems pretty convinced. He could be wrong, and he could be right. I am in no way certain geript is scum, it's just by far the most likely. I don't think it's scummy from damdred at all. | ||
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I am just going to assume this smiley means "tell me more about why it isn't scummy Palmar". I'm mostly assuming that because it's a pretty clever reason. If damdred is mafia I expect one of two things to be his play here. 1) Take the "easy" lynch and run with it. Just vote geript, rehash some reasons given by others and watch him die. 2) Really push against the lynch and call people bad/stupid for maximum cred. But instead what he's doing is 3) sort of defend him and give reasons, while also resigning to the fact that he might just get lynched anyway. I'm not saying it's impossible he's mafia because of this, it's just that he has chosen a very specific and strange path to behave about it if he is. | ||
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On September 26 2015 01:56 Damdred wrote: Firstly this isn't a tonal thing this is just an overarching game play thing with a mixture of meta thrown in. 1) Mistakes happen, I can't really explain it tbh geript has to answer this himself and I can't speak to how people feel about another. 2) Geeipt blows up as either alignment kinda a nai type thing and he blows up on whoever is in his path 3) idk just seems nai I understand not wanting to lose to it though. I just don't think it makes him scum. (this one about dicks) 4) This is worrying but it comes from town geript more than scum geeipt. Last newb game we played he did the same thing to Yamato and kels over misunderstanding and bad tunnels. It wasn't a mistake, he tried to clarify it and just changed the narrative to something about me trolling when I pointed it out to him. yes, but still... meh. I read that post on waht.... n1? and it's bothered me since I saw it. geript did blow up on me once as mafia (survivor series?) for very little reason. Sure he might do it as town, but it was just so unreasonable. the attack jat for both being mafia and bad thing might make sense if he's just mad. Idk, I still think the right play is to kill him. | ||
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On September 26 2015 02:03 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, but what if he goes 2)? He might succeed and we are lynching cephiro instead. Now he is backed in a corner because he can never lynch geript. That's not very clever. Better to disagree with the lynch while still letting it happen. well in that case his target would have to be you (which sorta might fit). If geript survives in that would even mean damdred has at least one very likely "ally". Hell, if damdred is mafia, his optimal play (if possible) is to defend geript and lynch ceph, shoot me, then let ritoky and geript tinfoil lynch you. | ||
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On September 26 2015 02:05 justanothertownie wrote: Like, mafia damdred is in the ideal position if we mislynch geript today. He can just say "told ya" and keep pushing cephiro for the win later. yeah. But in that case I'm forced to read his filter, which, if he's mafia, might be really bad for him. | ||
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On September 26 2015 02:08 justanothertownie wrote: That's actually a great point. But I really don't see the shot on you. And I also don't see ritoky mislynching me ever. well ritoky does tinfoil think you're scum. Also, it's sort of wishful thinking. There's nothing I'd appreciate more than being shot if this game continues after tonight. I really, really cba reading huge filters but I'll have to. | ||
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Why do you think this is a fair point? | ||
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Which part, specifically is true? | ||
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On September 26 2015 04:57 justanothertownie wrote: That you seem content with just chilling and letting things happen today. You made it clear you want geript lynched and didn't do much/talk about much besides that. geript is leading the vote, so yes I'm okay with letting things happen. I talked about damdred and gave a very clever insightful reason about his defense of geript. I talked about you and sort of decided to not call you mafia. The last part I'm feeling less sure on because you copied a post from cephiro that is at best misguided and just randomly agreed with it but idk if it means anything. | ||
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I think Damdred is town jat _should_ be town based on activity/willingness to try, but he has a bunch of warning flags. ceph I have no idea. I'm almost entirely sheeping my day 1 read of his reaction to koshi, and just as much I am sheeping my day 1 read on geript where he called me mafia for made up reasons. Like I'm definitely not sure, but no, i'm not going to lynch damdred today, I'm not even going to bother re-evaluating him because he's the closest thing to a townread I have on you guys. | ||
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I just did in the post you quoted. At best we can assume cephiro simply hasn't read anything from today/last night and is just aware that I wasn't around at that specific part of the game. at worst he's making up reasons to antagonize me. | ||
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On September 26 2015 05:11 justanothertownie wrote: I don't see the damdred townread at all. I thought cephiros big post earlier seemes pretty damn towny. You disagree? Haven't read it yet | ||
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I'll read it now | ||
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I think the best point I like is damdred flipping his read on ceph based on the same reason but still, no idea if it makes him mafia. This is my main problem. If damdred is mafia based on the reasons Cephiro listed, then I'm awful at this game. I don't think I'm awful at this game, so I don't think Damdred is mafia. One of the main points in the case is that damdred gave wile a townread on day 1 for that post. The problem with me scumreading him for that is that I agreed with the point and townread damdred for making it. Another point in the case is damdred's actions today, which I have explained here: On September 26 2015 02:01 Palmar wrote: I am just going to assume this smiley means "tell me more about why it isn't scummy Palmar". I'm mostly assuming that because it's a pretty clever reason. If damdred is mafia I expect one of two things to be his play here. 1) Take the "easy" lynch and run with it. Just vote geript, rehash some reasons given by others and watch him die. 2) Really push against the lynch and call people bad/stupid for maximum cred. But instead what he's doing is 3) sort of defend him and give reasons, while also resigning to the fact that he might just get lynched anyway. I'm not saying it's impossible he's mafia because of this, it's just that he has chosen a very specific and strange path to behave about it if he is. Notice how I interpreted exactly the actions you're calling him mafia for as town actions. Like it's generally a terrible idea to lynch people who I kinda maybe think are town. I'm not ready to go against every feeling/read I've made this game based on you thinking he's mafia. I think it's far more likely geript is. | ||
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On September 26 2015 05:24 justanothertownie wrote: Good. I am not lynching anyone but geript/damdred anyways. But which one? | ||
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And yes, that ceph post sounds sorta townie. | ||
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But I was right on a bunch of people (rayn, moosy, marv-ish (took me a while), koshi, ritoky. Hell I was even right on warwaffle despite his shitty start). Like I think it's a terrible idea for myself to assume I'm terrible. If I'm being terrible I'm counting on the other 4 townies to overrule me and figure it out. I think geript is the last mafia. | ||
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On September 26 2015 05:34 justanothertownie wrote: Yes. Gut says damdred head say geript basically. Damdred doesn't seem interested in lynching mafia today. Geript on the other hand shouldn't be town for what he did this game. And there is the strong desire to get rid of him because I have 0 motivation to put up with his shit in case we miss. We basically KNOW damdred is sort of fine with lynching geript. I'm also 100% certain scumdred is smart enough to know that if he does what he is doing (explain his reads but admit he's going to be overruled) can be perceived as scummy. Which is also why I don't think scumdred does that. Like I agree with the bolded, I just don't think it makes him mafia. | ||
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screw this, i'm going to take a walk. I'll be back before the deadline. if I can I'll glance at damdred's filter while doing it. | ||
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I don't want to go into lylo with a pre-determined lynch. If I'm right and damdred flips town, I have to lynch geript in lylo because he is, probably, mafia. I want to win this game, which is precisely why I'm not going to sheep you. | ||
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Again, he does not come across as the shitty weak mafia he sometimes is. Like I might be blowing this up to make my point, but I think geript has to be mafia. | ||
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Like it's not common that I'm literally the only person who has a townread on someone. Well I guess geript does too, but he's mafia so. | ||
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I really can't deal with this game for another 72 hours, especially if geript will be alive because I am going to lynch him if he is. There is no way this game ends without me having lynched geript. It's strictly the correct play to kill him for the reasons I gave earlier. | ||
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On September 26 2015 06:29 Damdred wrote: Honestly I wish I was lynched today. that can still be granted. | ||
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I'll probably be mostly afk tomorrow | ||
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On September 26 2015 06:33 Cephiro wrote: Excuse me as I go weep in a corner. I TRIED. I DID ALL I COULD. Sorry I wasn't any better, or sorry that you all didn't believe me z_z This is in no way a guarantee you were right. But yes, I was wrong, sorry. | ||
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I appreciate the part where you were alive long enough to post the scummy things about me, and died before you managed to get to the towny parts. Thanks a bunch man! | ||
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My current opinion is that we just lynch ceph, but I'm going to read both the filters of ceph and damdred at some point today (probably monday) before I make a final decision. I don't know if it means anything that jat died instead of ritoky (or instead of me). | ||
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On September 27 2015 06:56 Damdred wrote: Palmar could you explain how you developed your Marv read? Did you have a town read d1? What caused you to doubt n1 and inevitably push him obviously. No I had a "nothing stands out as mafia" read on him. Basically, after XXX which was a complete disaster I have intentionally tried to be less paranoid of marv, usually giving him a lot of space on day 1, which for the past few games has turned into a townread at somepoint. This game I, again, gave him a lot of space but I never really townread him. Like I want to think that the old version of treating marv might have caught him earlier, but it's still worth it to not always be paranoid of him. | ||
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On September 28 2015 06:17 Damdred wrote: Hi Palmar I've read lo try a and um waffling but I think ceph is the mafia I'm curious any thoughts you have. Thoughts still the same. I think we lynch ceph and your effort when no one is around makes me feel better about that. I am not making a decision until I read both your filters tomorrow though. The kill was weird but not sure I want to open that can of wifom | ||
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On September 28 2015 09:36 Cephiro wrote: Palmar PoV: He ignored me trying to convince him yesterday to some extent. I'm not saying he didn't provide any reasoning for doing so, but it wasn't as solid as it could've been, and left me with a feeling of "I'm just going to do what I want / what I need", rather than "I listened to you but I just don't agree enough to follow your suggestion" I didn't ignore you, I just didn't think you had particularly good points. Also, there's some disconnect in this entire post. If you're mad at me for not sheeping you on damdred yesterday because your case was so much stronger than mine, how can you turn around today and talk about me being mafia being a possibily? Your job here should be to try to convince me that damdred is indeed mafia. If you think it's even possible I am mafia, your whole thing about damdred case being strong enough to berate me for not sheeping it is phony, and if your case was that strong, your current tinfoil suspicion of me is phony. Also, you got one thing right, I did "what I want". Of course I did. I kinda want to point out that if I was mafia, I'd have been 100% fine with "letting" you win the argument, lynching damdred, and then calling everyone bad while tunneling geript today. It's super easy if I am mafia. On September 28 2015 09:36 Cephiro wrote: What makes me especially suspect this is the fact that even yesterday, he didn't really properly disagree with my case, but he still seemed fairly defensive of Damdred. And the first thing he does today is point out that I need to get killed "but I'll look into filters just in case". With the amount of reasoning he's provided for me as mafia, I'm calling complete bullshit on going through filters and just naming me for the sake of naming me. Whether that's a town palmar not giving a fuck or scum Palmar rolling with agenda, I'm not entirely sure. I did disagree with your case, this is straight up false. I looked at the same evidence and said damdred was town. I especially pointed out two parts of the case (the wile townread and damdred's play on that day). I am going to go through the filters, I don't know what you mean by "with the amount of reasoning he's provided for me as mafia", but in reality I have very little reason to call you mafia. Mostly the fact you've been afk/background for huge parts of the game. That's precisely why I am going to read the filters. You are mafia at the moment because of poe. I think damdred is town and I know ritoky is confirmed. On September 28 2015 09:36 Cephiro wrote: The thing is, there aren't really many logical holes in his play, because he hasn't heavily committed to anything. He's around to give his opinion, ask something a bit on so on, but at no point has he had to take extremely firm stances toward anything, nor has he been pushed for it because his play on a general level has still seemed town-like even without extreme committing. And the thing is, I can perfectly see this play coming from a scum Palmar, even if I do feel it's more likely to be a town Palmar. But there's nothing in his filter that makes me think "scum Palmar would never ever do this" either. Most of the game has been on autopilot. I took a stance against killing moosy on day 1. (although I tried to kill jat). I killed wile on day 2 I killed marv on day 3 I pushed for, and got my lynch, yesterday, even if it was wrong. On September 28 2015 09:36 Cephiro wrote: Also Palmar's reads have been shit this game, and while everyone has bad games and is very wrong every now and then, I wouldn't expect a player with his experience to be this wrong about so many players, given how many other players picked up on things he did not. I was right on rayn, koshi, ritoky. I was eventually right on jat (remember I decided to call him town when people were pushing him yesterday), I was right on marv, I was semi-right on scott (I never tried to lynch him). I was wrong on geript and onegu. I was right on moosy. I was wrong on wile. So depending on today I'm going to have like a 70% record of being right this game, so no. My reads have not been shit. | ||
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I don't know if that's actually legit. | ||
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I am curious now what those reasons were? | ||
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Here is everything ceph said about marvellosity (every single thing I could find in his filter) up until day 3: On September 17 2015 03:12 Cephiro wrote: Still got the last 15 pages or so to go through more in-depth, but I'm getting a fairly good idea of how I'd like to lynch today. Assuming nothing significant to change my mind comes up: Wile > JAT > marv/geript On September 17 2015 03:30 Cephiro wrote: Short ver while I'm catching up: JAT mostly for reasons that have been brought up, as in producing mostly irrelevant content. Sure, he talks and asks stuff but so far it feels like he's being around for the sake of being around. marv because even though he is "participating", it doesn't seem he's doing enough with the information he goes after. I mean, he asks a lot of questions and posts his opinions, but he doesn't really try to get anything done with it. He could be just trying to get a better read on the game as a whole, but I don't see him pushing for anything strongly enough to get something done. With his post quality and amount, I'd expect him to try to get something done with all the information he's gathering. So far I don't see that happening? If you compare it to your play for example, you have more nonsensical stuff in your filter that's irrelevant than he does, but you're much more actively pressuring your scumreads and trying to get shit done. geript because half of his posts are absolutely irrelevant to the game, and the remainder feels like the level of I don't give a shit -commitment. As in, he talks about palmar meta like it's somehow significant. I'm not saying meta is a thing that should never be used, but infuriates me when I see experienced mafia players here using it like "But player X has said hi as town in three games in a row, so if his first post isn't hi he has to be scum". Seriously? Maybe I don't just understand you veterans metaing each other for the stupidest reasons ever and I'm the idiot, but that's honestly how I feel about most of your "meta" analysis towards each other. Here he explains the other people. Sure there is one paragraph about marv on meta thrown in there. This is probably the most substantial thing he wrote on marv. On September 17 2015 04:52 Cephiro wrote: Currently writing up about marv. Even if it's not going to get him lynched today, nor might it be the best content, I want to be transparent and share the things about his play that make me suspicious of him at the moment. Check the date On September 17 2015 05:15 Cephiro wrote: Well I guess you're correct that it's not the best thing to do at this moment if I'm not certain it'll get him lynched, which I do doubt. So I'll post my thoughts on marv during the nightcycle when it won't interfere with more important matters at hand, fair point. Check the date On September 17 2015 06:03 Cephiro wrote: I have better things to do than explaining why I'm leaning town on Onegu at this point. I'd prefer him not lynched today, it doesn't look like it's going to happen that easily either. Instead of focusing on why I think onegu is town, you should be focusing on figuring out who you want to consolidate the lynch on. I didn't give reasoning for saying I think one of Koshi/you are town either, same with Moosy, but you don't seem to be care about that at all. Just forget nitpicking for now and focus on the relevant stuff. If you want reasons for my townreads, I'll give them later when they're relevant as I said I'd do with my opinion on marv (unless you all actually end up lynching me, which would be quite sad.) 2 in one post. The townread on Onegu and yet another "I'll maybe talk about marv at some point". He didn't talk more about marv during that cycle. On September 19 2015 03:56 Cephiro wrote: Not planning on getting modkilled, nor do I plan on getting lynched or NK'ed. In the unfortunate case that happens, I won't be flipping red anyway. ##vote Wile E. Coyote Still do think marv is a good lynch, but not in a hurry to do anything about it since we have "confirmed" scum to kill. I guess I'll post my thoughts on it during the night or later in the daycycle, depending on when I feel like it. (Or unless you people have a specific reason you'd want it any earlier, given that it's not currently very relevant.) Doubt mafia wants to kill me with my current level of activity, would make sense for them to keep me around to try and push a mislynch on me later. Someone was also asking about my scum play, whoever that was: I can do pretty much anything as scum (and town too). Bussing is more like a rule, with not bussing being the exception for me. At least when it comes to games where there are at least 3 mafia members. So while I won't mind if you read me favourably based on my voting and actions at the end of D1, you shouldn't think it has to make me town. Ceph explains that he's mafia here because he buses as mafia Also, more delay on marv. On September 19 2015 04:15 Cephiro wrote: Only from your perspective though. Which you'd claim regardless of your alignment. If you want to convince me you're town, you can help me get marv lynched tomorrow. On September 19 2015 05:33 Cephiro wrote: We lynch Wile, simple as that. Also I'd prefer to stay as a mislynch target for now, so I'm going to stay that way. You know I want to get marv lynched (tomorrow), that's more than enough for now. You'll get the reasoning in due time. I don't see why I should be around talking about irrelevant stuff meanwhile. First we deal with the matter at hand, and then we move onto the next thing on schedule. I've seen flailing about instead of going for the obvious thing that should be done more than I care to remember. Ok so here we are. This is the picture I wanted to paint. Up until this part of the game we have a vague idea that ceph wants to lynch marv the day after wile without really expanding on the reasons. The important part here is what happens next. The last post I quoted is the last thing Cephiro posted before going afk for like 70+ hours. On September 22 2015 19:46 Cephiro wrote: I'm around now and I'm on pace with the thread, just going to re-read filters and take my time doing so before I post anything of substance. After that I'll stick around for a short moment only. I'm not sure if I can be around during the lynch deadline today, but I'll try to be available. If I'm not able to be around then, I'll be online some hours before the deadline to place my vote. Unless something surprising that I missed before comes up with my filter re-reads, I'm still very keen on voting marv today. This is the next post in line. He posts this one and then drops the case on marv. I'm not gonna quote the entire thing, you can read it here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24883997 Of course by this point marv is the consensus lynch and everyone basically considers him having claimed mafia. Which is why his case is received with a hint of sarcasm. On September 22 2015 21:31 justanothertownie wrote: meh I think the good points in this post were already made by me earlier and things like the "Palmar doesn't deserve those townreads" are just not alignment indicative. Also the last quoted post is clearly not serious and I don't know how you can miss that. On September 22 2015 21:47 Palmar wrote: Cephiro drops hard hitting analysis on the guy we're lynching anyway and isn't even trying to defend himself. So yeah. I think this is very relevant and possibly the best reason to think cephiro is mafia. He took the "right" stance on marv (calling him mafia) without ever pushing or trying to actually act on it, only to hop on the wagon when the train was already half way there with a massive case. The point of ceph's case cannot be to lynch marv, because all he has to do to lynch marv is just put his vote on him and fuck off, so why did he write a huge case on marv when marv was being lynched anyway? Did he want a piece of the credit pie? | ||
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I'm really sorry if I'm the one idiot who townread scumdred and this is a gamethrow but meh. I'm not that bad. | ||
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It would be super marv-y to tell ceph it's okay to say he wants to vote him, but not commit to it until it's clear marv can't turn jat and I around. (at that point in the game jat and I were by far the most influential people in the game). Like of course this is just theory, but even if this isn't the case, the convenience of the timing and the awkwardness of that case is pretty conclusive to me. | ||
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Like the one thing that bothers me is the kill points to damdred (jat was very much okay with killing him). But I don't know. This game is hard and I blame rayn for dying like a piggie. | ||
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On September 28 2015 13:43 ritoky wrote: cuz i was kinda down on cephiro after he over-answered the living shit out of a simple question i asked him. but then he goes and has the same thought i had about palmar in regards to talking to ceph about the damdred lynch like he is town, calling the points in the case good -> only town thing, lynch ceph? just kinda a jarring moment. after being wrong on geript his first reaction is lynch ceph not, "well, i was wrong, maybe i should reconsider damdred too." now i kinda like ceph again. bleh. Me being wrong in one place doesn't really mean I'm wrong again. Like I went through most of ceph's filter earlier and the beginning of damdred's, and I still believe the same thing, that ceph is far more likely to be mafia. | ||
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On September 29 2015 01:42 Damdred wrote: Well I'm curious, yesterday you used how I pushed people like me pushing geript over say easy lynch was more towny of me. Ceph abandoned his push on me to push harder target palmar what do you think of that I don't think he's actively pushing me. He said the vote on me was "to show me that he's not afraid of voting me" and I think he's still at 80/20 for voting you. He has to, if he cannot convince me to vote you, he has to convince you to vote me, so he has to put the feelers out there. I have a pretty general rule "never trust anything said or done in lylo". Just focus on the days leading up to it. | ||
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On September 29 2015 03:55 ritoky wrote: i wonder to myself. is d1 rayn ever wrong about every mafia? rayn can be spectacularly wrong at points. | ||
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On September 27 2015 09:41 Damdred wrote: Looked through some of palmar and marvs filters a few points that I find pretty interesting. 1) While it could go either way and its not above either of them. Marv said something about palmar getting to many easy town reads at one point I believe. 2) Palmars initial pressure or going at Marg came at n1 when it did palmar has no reason as s um to really put the screws to Marv over some little things. 3) The day Marv is lynched there is somewhat decent push going to lynch me (Scott and rit vote me jat considers it) palmar walks in and goes um no lynch Marv. Jat helped here to but it might make a bit of sense for mafia palmar to take it to 1 mislynch instead of waiting another day for gweipt. That's a bit wifom. Srill reading a bit more. But I'm still leaning ish on palmar being town. Palmar you and Marv have played together since xxx though and it hasn't been quite like that? I thought you still kept to your initial way of doing things. Since XXX I have changed the way I read marv. It used to be "err on the side of mafia until I get confirmation he's town", but now it is "err on the side of town until I get confirmation he's mafia". He has thanked me privately for making that change in approach (My old style has caused him to literally ragequit a game where we were both town). | ||
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On September 27 2015 11:57 Damdred wrote: Palmar could you tell me why you town read ceph d1 until today started in some form of detail when you can? Or at least in the do not lynch d1 and why didn't you consider it when Marv pushed it? I don't remember marv pushing him and I kinda cba reading my own filter to find out how I reacted. I townread ceph on day 1 based on nothing but the tone of his overreaction to koshi's initial pressure. I think I posted something like "cephiro's overreaction isn't scummy at all". Also, yes, I townread him yesterday because there is only 1 scum left and I thought it was geript. Until today I had barely read anything cephiro has posted (his posts are long, not particularly well constructed and mostly boring). The reason I want to lynch him now is mostly just poe, but reading his filter I did find the weird approach to the marv lynch. Like I want to point it out again, he has been trying to take credit for the marv lynch (I think) but he deserves literally none of it. He simply said he wanted to kill marv without ever trying to convince anyone until he dropped that case long after the lynch had been decided. | ||
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On September 29 2015 04:43 Cephiro wrote: very good scumgame. aka, towngame. | ||
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On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote: Fuck you Palmar for making this a 1v1 between you and me, you know you basically scumclaimed to me with your posts and you're relying on the fact how well well you've been read and using the time I'm away to discredit me to the extent you can. Nothing, literally nothing I wrote was to discredit you. I simply brought up reasons why I think you're mafia. Feel free to respond with reasons as to why I am wrong. On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote: Even now you're saying you haven't properly read my and Damdred's filters which shows how absolutely baffling your approach to the lylo is. I can more than well admit at this point it does seem I was wrong on Damdred, because you're being so obvious right now. I don't lie about what I read and what I didn't read. If I read part of damdred's filter and most of yours and reach a conclusion based on that, my time is better spent arguing for that conclusion. On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote: Your bigger post is a textbook scum!Ceph play. It's exactly what I do when I'm scum. You make a case where any ambigious facts are painted as "This is probably the only thing that could be looked in his favour", you ignore all the obvious statements and information that is favourable even though they've been posted so many times it should be clear as day (But not to you, because you don't even fucking read the filters properly, because you're that confident about not needing to), then raising the most convoluted ideas of all time about a point to make it suspicious. Like, I'm scum because I managed to peg onegu as town? Not to mention the multiple instances of "There are clearly more ways for this to be viewed favourably towards Ceph, but I'm going to raise the one and only extremely unlikely possibility which makes him look worse, and make it look like it's the only and obvious possibility." It infuriates me so much to see you do exactly what I do as scum and I don't want you to get away with that. I don't ignore anything, you literally went awol for 70+ hours when the marv thing was happening and you've been trying to claim credit for that lynch. You deserve none. Again, instead of yelling, try to point out what I ignored. And yes I read filters. Stop trying to act like I don't. No one in this game has read every filter word for word. On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote: Why the fuck would I concentrate on defending a townie that is barely getting any traction at all and in no way a serious lynch candidate? What the fuck does my town-read on a player that died N1 to a vigshot matter in the remainder of the game? It's the most irrelevant thing in my filter you could be interested in. Because it's a magical read. How about you just explain why you townread him instead of whining about me talking about it. There's only one faction in the game that has magical reads On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote: You say that "if you were Mafia, you would've been 100% content with me lynching Damdred and rolling with it." No, you would never ever have sat on your ass and gone "Oh well, I guess I was wrong / Ceph is right and we'll lynch Damdred today." You know I would have called you out for that even for how sure I was about Dam, because you know that even if I can push someone very hard, I don't blindly tunnel into someone until they die. So obviously you'd go for a more convoluted play, especially as you could use me picking up on you as a point against me, and knowing that you have the higher cred of us two makes that play a no-brainer for you to take. I know how calmly and how often you've rolled well in endgame scenarios as scum. And you knew that only me or jat would pick up on you that hard, but leaving me alive is significantly easier of an 1v1 for you than going vs jat. Give me 3 examples of this. I don't believe they exist. I'm not a particularly good scum player. My general strategy is to buy 2-3 days and then hope I've left no traces to my team (or go for a big play such as having a teammate shoot me). And yes, I absolutely would've done that. On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote: Like you've had damdred town all game since the start, and you still claim you've just read the first few pages of his filter. It's like you saw his defense for Wile and decided "I'll just think he's town for the whole game based on this", which is just absurd. You wouldn't lock onto a townread that hard because of such a minor thing if you were town. Not to the extent that you're not considering him an option at 1 mislynch nor at LYLO. If you think I don't make townreads like that based on one little thing then you don't know me at all. And it's not just that. He came out of the gate swinging (which is very unusual for scum). You yourself even called him out on it on day 1 (hey look! I read!). I also liked the way he approached the geript defense. Yes he could be mafia. I'm far more comfortable losing to him than to you. I'm gonna make this a 2 parter because jesus long. If you're town Ceph, your focus should be on convincing me to lynch damdred, not antagonizing me please. | ||
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On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote: I've also explained multiple times that N1 I did not feel the need to participate because I was going to live through regardless, D2 we had self-claimed Wile by the time I was around, I was not going to die N2 with how much conftown there was around, and I posted my case on D3 when I came around, even if the lynch seemed to be locked at that point. And if I hadn't posted? You would've called even more bullshit on me. It's like, if I didn't post it at all and just voted, I'd be still getting shit about being a pure sheep, and when I do, I get called out for trying to cred. I don't need to get any extra cred for the marv lynch. I know I'm not the main cause who made it happen, but what I've said and what is true that I've been correct about him since the start, and shown that opinion to others very clearly as well, constantly reminding of my intent of wanting to lynch marv. That is something you can't deny no matter how many things you want to ignore. This is the part I have a problem with. No, I do not call people out for sheeping. I actually think sheeping is one of the most underrated skills in mafia. A good sheeping player is very, very valuable to town. But yeah, I don't believe your approach to that was particularly townie. Like I'm just thinking about what I would do. Would I spend the energy to write a long-ass case on someone who is going to get lynched anyway? No I wouldn't. I would never, ever waste my time as town doing something so boring and useless. It makes no sense to me to do that unless you for some reason particularly care about getting town-cred for that lynch. On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote: Yeah, I've mentioned multiple times I like to bus as mafia. So do many other players. The thing which me and jat pointed out multiple times (which you again, decide to just fucking ignore), is that while we'd both be completely fine with bussing, we aren't retarded enough to play this game with the goal of "Kill all my scumbuddies before going for town". And that's what you're proposing right now. That I'd go for Wile + marv since the start of the game, with the amount of cred I had at the start of the game? You're not that stupid Palmar. You just have to say that because you're the dirty fucking scum here. You saw how jat flipped town. Go figure which is more likely, that I, who not also had extremely similar timing and reads with jat regarding scum + voted and tried to push Wile on D1, is going flip scum? It's not happening. I've pointed out enough how stupid of a case that is, and you know it. The bus thing was mostly a joke bro. I don't think it's telling one way or the other. On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote: There's absolutely no way you're not scum with your read progress and painted case towards me. And this is not OMGUS, even if I know that you will try to paint it as such. Today will be simple rit & dam, you vote for Palmar, or you lose the game. No I'm not painting it as an omgus because if you're somehow not mafia I don't want to lynch you and lose the game. The case isn't painted. I brought up two very specific points, one of which you sort of responded to (you just got mad that I asked about your magical Onegu read). | ||
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On September 29 2015 04:57 Cephiro wrote: ritoky, I just want you to realize that you should not think about one single point as something why it's not a possibility. I understand more than well enough if you want to respect Palmar's play for that to be unlikely in your opinion, but do think this: If you hold him that high in regard, would he as town have voted jat d1, got his geript mislynch d4, and now push me the way he is doing? Not to mention you can't disagree he hasn't exactly been the cause of correct lynches happening, which if you respect Palmar's ability of play, you should be expecting that to a decent extent at least if you assume he's town. Are you going to hang on those minor points and deduce he's not scum because it would be unlikely for a scum!Palmar to do that, or are you going to take into account similar points regarding town!Palmar that he should've achieved/done but hasn't? Think of it as a whole. jat's soul was mafia on day 1 tbh so I was right on that. He only became town on day 3. And well, one of the correct lynches was a cop check. I was part of killing marv though. | ||
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On September 29 2015 04:57 Cephiro wrote: Are you going to hang on those minor points and deduce he's not scum because it would be unlikely for a scum!Palmar to do that, or are you going to take into account similar points regarding town!Palmar that he should've achieved/done but hasn't? Specify those points I should've achieved but didn't. | ||
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On September 29 2015 05:11 Damdred wrote: If you can't tell I'm town at this point there is literally no hope for you and I have lost hope for you. If you think I'm going to try to pie the whole game d1 and literally leave myself 0 room to maneuver (refusal to switch to onegu or moosey). Try to instigate a lynch on me by refusing to do wor d3. Instead of just fucking off at mylo I pressure both people I'm curious about. I lead a lynch on town jat and butt heads with rayn all the way to eod over who to lynch. Totally tilting at points if you think that's my scum game...idk what to say I'd not be unhappy at all if you decided to just write a massive case for yourself being town. | ||
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On September 29 2015 05:13 Cephiro wrote: Like all the townreads you've never bothered to explain? Yeah, I guess you're scum then Examples please. | ||
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On September 29 2015 05:18 Damdred wrote: Ceph can you just explain why you town read onegu? it's easier to yell stuff without backing anything up. | ||
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On September 29 2015 05:13 ritoky wrote: I checked that, you've done 19 before as scum so not quite enough to put you into conf town territory. Within the margin of error. which game? (I'm just curious) | ||
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On September 29 2015 05:13 Cephiro wrote: Don't have the time to dig up on old games for quotes at this point, but even in voice mafia not too long ago when you were scum with me in the same team and we two others got out of it early on, you almost managed to solocarry it through, only losing at lylo. So don't say you're not capable of that. You've done it before. And you had no traces onto your team then either, as you don't have now. I am absolutely capable of it, I just haven't really done it in forum mafia. That's not the point, the point is you keep saying generalized things like that that simply aren't true. | ||
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On September 29 2015 05:59 Damdred wrote: You know palmar if your scum you played this perfectly.. I kinda wish I was | ||
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On September 29 2015 06:17 ritoky wrote: palmar do you have any considerations that it might be damdred or are you locked in? I'm going down with the ship if it's damdred. | ||
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On September 29 2015 06:18 Cephiro wrote: Don't have the time to go through your filter and point out specific posts but I am very sure you never provided any proper reasoning for Koshi being town (as in the same sense as my Onegu read), and just ignored him since he's not worth your time. Koshi was extremely townie on day 1. He came out guns blazing and I sort of just ignored him yes. I think he was basically a universal townread anyway. | ||
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Like you just said that without worrying about if it's right or not. | ||
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On September 29 2015 06:32 justanothertownie wrote: You made the correct nightkill Palmar. Well played. not posting the town part was a dick move though lol | ||
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On September 29 2015 06:34 justanothertownie wrote: ^ People should have really considered this way more strongly btw. - there is no reason for cephiro to kill me there. the night kill was made with the intention of maybe going back on damdred, but ceph didn't come on strong early enough for it to be a viable way to win it. | ||
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On September 29 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote: honestly though, shame on you guys mafia for believing scott had 1shot. like lol on that. we didn't really believe it, our plan at the time simply didn't allow for it. | ||
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On September 29 2015 06:36 justanothertownie wrote: Palmar did not leave him a choice. He wasn't reevaluating anything and just pushed cephiro without caring. He didn't consider damdred at all. I was 100% gonna consider it, but I was counting on cephiro to come in earlier. | ||
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On September 29 2015 06:47 marvellosity wrote: you looked townier than i've ever seen you ritoky it was very annoying can I post the *sanitized* chatlogs? | ||
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On September 29 2015 06:42 Koshi wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah it was townfavored to the max. To balance it town needed at least a 2 shot vigi, scum RB should have been removed, town should have gotten a real cop and after D1 you should have killed the 3 people with the highest amount of votes on them. Please speak to Artanis, Blazinghand and HalfTheSky in the future when you host again. Koshi is a serial balance whiner and has no idea how to balance games deconduo, don't worry about it. | ||
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[15:38:20] <marvellosity> basically popping on to say i'm not gonna be here for most of the evening xD [15:38:41] <marvellosity> oh you made everything already. nice [16:18:35] <Palmar> I know [16:18:39] <Palmar> also you have to have a cover [16:18:42] <Palmar> if you roll mafia in that other game [16:24:42] <marvellosity> hahahaha [16:24:46] <marvellosity> that's definitely it [16:25:18] <Palmar> incidentally [16:25:21] <Palmar> I am super busy tonight [16:25:37] <marvellosity> i'm actually super busy in general [16:25:42] <marvellosity> not sure why i'm hosting and playing at the same time [16:25:50] <marvellosity> i'm literally afk all weekend... [16:25:56] <marvellosity> dunno if you want to draft in another cohost ---------- [06:09:32] <marv|work> what a pain [06:09:52] <marv|work> just so we're on the same page - i'm counting not getting lynched d1 as 100% success for me here [06:10:07] <Palmar> if you don't want the long game [06:10:13] <marv|work> nothing to do with want [06:10:17] <Palmar> well ok [06:10:21] <marv|work> i can't, i don't have the motivation [06:10:24] <Palmar> like I don't mind one way or the other [06:10:28] <Palmar> I can bus you right now [06:10:34] <Palmar> or I can townread you [06:10:39] <marv|work> well [06:10:55] <marv|work> you could wait a little and kinda do your "write off marv as town for now" thing and then go at me during night or something? [06:11:05] <Palmar> sure [06:11:19] <Palmar> waffle during night is also an option [06:11:24] <Palmar> without lynching you after that [06:11:25] <marv|work> yes, either is good [06:11:34] <marv|work> i just think rayn/jat/koshi will lynch me d2 [06:11:36] <marv|work> regardless of what you do [06:11:37] <Palmar> yes [06:11:42] <Palmar> which is why I have to get in front of it [06:11:54] <Palmar> like there's two options here [06:11:57] <marv|work> problem is you can get me lynched d1 [06:11:59] <marv|work> quite easily [06:11:59] <Palmar> 1) you don't get lynched [06:12:08] <Palmar> 2) I get you lynched to jump to #1 town [06:12:20] <Palmar> the third alternative [06:12:24] <Palmar> 3) rayn gets you lynched [06:12:27] <Palmar> is totally awful [06:12:39] <marv|work> yes [06:12:41] <Palmar> do you have a role? [06:12:47] <marv|work> no [06:12:57] <Palmar> janitor is so useless [06:14:08] <marv|work> our roles suck [06:14:24] <marv|work> if there's a cop i'ma be furious [06:14:48] <marv|work> what do you do [06:14:57] <marv|work> use janitor n1 on the assumption if there's a vigi they shoot then? [06:15:35] <Palmar> sure [06:15:42] <Palmar> like no reason not to use it [06:15:46] <marv|work> like there's no other point to it is there [06:15:48] <Palmar> but what is town gonna think? [06:15:49] <Palmar> yeah [06:15:54] <marv|work> it's just a gamble of there being a vigi and it being used [06:16:09] <marv|work> also i guess if we luck out and flip a role, we can claim it [06:16:13] <marv|work> so the sooner we do that, the better [06:16:53] <Palmar> I don't actually get the flips [06:16:54] <Palmar> I think [06:17:02] <marv|work> that can't be right [06:17:11] <marv|work> we have to get the flips [06:21:24] <Palmar> I'm afraid I'm running out of mafia [06:21:40] <Palmar> I've taken you/rayn/koshi/ceph/moosy off the table [06:21:43] <Palmar> I can waffle some in [06:21:48] <Palmar> but I have to not townread too many others [06:23:21] <marv|work> mm [06:23:45] <marv|work> tbh i don't see how to win this almost, cephiro is playing tonwier than he normally does (already 5x more posts than normal), same with ritoky, same with damdred [06:23:50] <marv|work> why can't ritoky be his usual liability [06:24:46] <Palmar> we just need a play [06:24:49] <Palmar> there are a few options [06:24:59] <marv|work> wile e coyote is gonna die fast too [06:25:02] <marv|work> he's just being terrible [06:25:03] <Palmar> yes [06:25:08] <Palmar> but again, we can get ahead of it [06:25:10] <marv|work> those fucking "it's a test" comments [06:25:12] <marv|work> always come from mafia [06:25:33] <Palmar> Like you've already set yourself up to bus him if you want to [06:25:45] <marv|work> yes [06:25:49] <marv|work> the problem is we can't lose him today [06:26:07] <marv|work> being right won't save me from a lynch, it'll have almost no effect on what people read me as [06:26:21] <Palmar> does he have a role? [06:26:26] <marv|work> roleblocker... [06:26:33] <Palmar> oh [06:26:36] <Palmar> yeah that's bad [06:26:36] <marv|work> ya [06:26:46] <marv|work> thing is, i have this vision [06:26:50] <marv|work> we don't bus him [06:26:55] <marv|work> town runs out of options at EOD [06:26:57] <marv|work> end up on him [06:27:06] <Palmar> yeah that can't happen [06:27:12] <marv|work> literally everyone else is playing [06:27:15] <marv|work> which never happens :p [06:27:21] <marv|work> so he is actually THE default right now [06:27:37] <Palmar> well [06:27:39] <Palmar> warwaffle [06:27:46] <Palmar> and onegu [06:27:55] <Palmar> are town trash [06:30:12] <marv|work> ah yes onegu [06:30:21] <marv|work> how do you lead on onegu tho [06:30:23] <marv|work> ugh [06:30:32] <marv|work> and my boss it away all day which means i'm much more stretched which is really annoying [07:21:05] <Palmar> what stance to take on this raynjat thing [07:21:24] <marv|work> do you have to take one? [07:21:43] <marv|work> it depends what you want to do with jat [07:21:50] <Palmar> not really [07:21:56] <Palmar> like I'm firmly in rayn's pocketg [07:22:10] <Palmar> but I don't think a you/jat vs me/rayn thing is going to be super productive [07:22:13] <Palmar> I guess I can just ignore it [07:22:28] <marv|work> you ignore 95% of shit when you are town [07:22:32] <marv|work> 99% when you are tunnelling someone [07:23:03] <Palmar> lol [07:23:31] <Palmar> rayn is doing his best rayn impression [07:23:33] <Palmar> it's fantastic [07:23:45] <marv|work> it's always fun to watch [08:00:51] <marv|work> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494010-completely-normal-generic-mini-mafia?page=34#661 [08:00:55] <marv|work> see why didn't you just townread me [08:09:49] <Palmar> I am townreading you? [08:10:38] <Palmar> or I'm doing exactly what we talked about [08:10:44] <Palmar> do the wait and see [08:19:25] <marv|work> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494010-completely-normal-generic-mini-mafia?page=34#670 [08:19:26] <marv|work> sweet [08:41:40] <Palmar> I will never be able to do the whole "don't antagonize rayn = free townread" thing [08:41:49] <marv|work> hmm? [08:42:18] <Palmar> he's literally townreading me for not being a dick to him [08:43:10] <marv|work> did your last sentence miss an "again"? or am i missing something [08:43:25] <Palmar> yes [08:43:30] <Palmar> it was implied [08:43:49] <marv|work> bloody non-natives [08:44:13] <Palmar> nah that was just a good old-fashioned "forgot to type the word and pressed enter too quickly" [08:44:15] <Palmar> not a grammar thing [08:44:32] <Palmar> the "it was implied" thing was a joke [08:44:53] <marv|work> oh [08:44:54] <marv|work> [08:46:00] <marv|work> this is going better than expected so far [08:46:03] <marv|work> it's all downhill from here [09:05:43] <Palmar> you have any idea what rayn is on about? [09:05:50] <marv|work> no [09:05:53] <marv|work> i can't understand his viewpoint either [09:05:56] <marv|work> if he's lying he should be mafia [09:06:13] <marv|work> that's precisely the thing you'd lie about as mafia if you tohught you might get away with it [09:06:17] <Palmar> I'm kinda proud of the post you quoted [09:06:29] <marv|work> you're doing well [09:06:36] <Palmar> last minute edited it to add the "or rather, I believe you believe what you're saying" [09:06:40] <Palmar> I thought that was a nice touch [09:06:44] <marv|work> haha [09:07:01] <marv|work> tbh the fact i'm with you has added to my motivation somewhat, just because i know i can bitch/talk about stuff here [09:08:02] <Palmar> [09:08:56] <marv|work> ridic tough town though [09:09:04] <Palmar> yes [09:09:06] <Palmar> well [09:09:13] <Palmar> we're sorta helping them get organized [09:09:17] <Palmar> which is an interesting strategy [09:09:28] <marv|work> we are? [09:09:49] <Palmar> absolutely [09:10:03] <Palmar> neither of us has taken a stance that truly antagonizes any of the town leaders [09:10:13] <marv|work> that's because i can't [09:10:18] <marv|work> i never can [09:10:40] <marv|work> my towngame is SO predictable [09:11:37] <Palmar> you overanalyse yourself [09:11:46] <Palmar> like you can get away with more than you think [09:12:59] <marv|work> your play is way more capricious than mine in general, though [09:13:22] <Palmar> you still overanalyze yourself [09:17:58] <marv|work> you're almost being too reasonable now [09:19:07] <Palmar> [09:19:18] <Palmar> it'd be nice to drop that townread [09:19:32] <marv|work> yep [09:19:37] <marv|work> i went about it a bit more brutally than you [09:25:32] <Palmar> I think both ways are fine [09:25:46] <marv|work> ya [12:26:39] <marv|work> pretty good read geript has on you ---------- [05:22:02] <marv|work> so what do i need to do for a votecount in SOTW? there's 2 thingies? [05:54:10] <Palmar> how far do I push this [05:54:24] <marv|work> depends if you're afraid one of us will get lynched [05:54:51] <Palmar> do you think you can reasonably explain yourself while simultaneously getting a townread on me if I tunnel this? [05:55:10] <marv|work> not sure about the townread on you, no [05:55:14] <marv|work> because you attack me a lot when you are mafia [05:55:24] <Palmar> no one else knows that [05:55:29] <Palmar> the point is [05:55:44] <Palmar> can I set this up for the benefit of both of us to look like the jat push from last game [05:55:49] <Palmar> 1) I see something and I run with it [05:55:55] <Palmar> 2) you act all reasonable [05:56:03] <Palmar> 3) I'm forced to admit you're being reasonable [05:56:07] <Palmar> 4) we both look better [05:56:14] <marv|work> lol @ 3 [05:56:16] <marv|work> you do that? [05:56:22] <Palmar> I did it with JAT last game [05:56:31] <Palmar> I'd basically be trying to copy that [05:56:46] <marv|work> right [05:56:55] <marv|work> kinda up to you really [05:56:59] <marv|work> i'll be lynched tomorrow regardless [05:57:02] <Palmar> It feels risky [05:57:09] <Palmar> but I almost wanna try it [05:57:14] <Palmar> this town is so annoyingly useful [05:57:18] <marv|work> it is [05:57:24] <marv|work> if you feel it sets you up better [05:57:34] <Palmar> well worst case it gets me lynched [05:59:19] <Palmar> which sets you up well [05:59:27] <marv|work> no it doesn't [05:59:31] <marv|work> i will die to tonereads [05:59:34] <marv|work> effortreads [05:59:36] <marv|work> lynching you is nothing [05:59:44] <Palmar> ok [05:59:46] <Palmar> well [05:59:49] <Palmar> the main question to you [06:00:11] <Palmar> Like I genuinely (4real) think that your last post was a mess up [06:00:24] <Palmar> I am 90% sure it's a difference in understanding the argument [06:00:27] <Palmar> but it's something I can tunnel [06:00:49] <Palmar> can you explain why I am mistaken without calling me mafia? [06:01:50] <Palmar> meh too late [06:01:56] <Palmar> rayn already defused the situation [06:01:56] <marv|work> my PC is breaking [06:01:59] <marv|work> which means i'm rushed [06:02:03] <marv|work> i can't even open notepad. [06:02:12] <Palmar> [06:29:59] <Palmar> rayn is mafia siding super hard this game [06:30:13] <marv|work> because we've pocketed him [06:30:23] <marv|work> he's looking for mafia in a sea of townies [06:30:42] <Palmar> is he the n1 kill? [06:30:49] <Palmar> also I kinda feel bad for wile [06:30:58] <Palmar> it's gotta suck to be on a 3 man mafia team with us [06:31:15] <marv|work> if he was less bad i'd feel less bad [06:31:29] <marv|work> not sure that's what i mean [06:31:32] <marv|work> you know what i'm saying [06:31:36] <Palmar> yeah [06:31:46] <marv|work> also dunno what you're talking about [06:31:47] <marv|work> we're hilarious [06:32:42] <Palmar> yeah he's probably refreshing the scum QT expecting advice/strategy every 5 minutes [06:32:46] <Palmar> and instead it's just crickets [06:32:50] <Palmar> because special irc buddies [06:33:16] <marv|work> hahahaha [06:33:36] <Palmar> also you took the wrong stance on waffle [06:33:38] <Palmar> damn you [06:33:50] <marv|work> onegu looks the towniest he's ever looked on d1 :/ [06:33:51] <Palmar> rayn already said he was town? [06:36:17] <marv|work> so? [06:36:24] <Palmar> oh well [06:36:25] <Palmar> it's fine [06:36:25] <marv|work> i can disagree with rayn np [06:36:32] <Palmar> let's not jump too much at each other [06:36:40] <Palmar> I was gonna scold onegu for going after waffle [06:36:41] <marv|work> that's what me and rayn do when we're town together [06:36:49] <marv|work> he goes off in lots of different directions and i pull him back from the wrong ones [06:36:56] <Palmar> let's try to sweep this disagreement under the rug [06:38:37] <marv|work> can't beleive i'm even posting this much [06:39:36] <marv|work> something something pride not getting lynched day 1 something [06:41:32] <Palmar> I have 6 pages already [06:41:48] <marv|work> wtf [06:41:52] <marv|work> how do you have more posts than me [06:43:00] <Palmar> such effort [06:43:01] <Palmar> wow [06:43:19] <marv|work> and we'll still lose ignomoniously [06:43:23] <Palmar> sure [06:43:37] <Palmar> but it's more fun to play assuming you'll lose [06:43:40] <marv|work> i'm sure a positive potato when i roll scum [06:43:43] <marv|work> *such [06:43:49] <Palmar> because if you know you're going to lose [06:44:00] <Palmar> your attitude can be "might as well have some fun while I do it" [06:44:09] <marv|work> i think "i'll just go do something else" [06:44:09] <marv|work> haha [06:44:28] <Palmar> like sometimes I just start doing insane things to see if I can get away with it [06:44:56] <Palmar> wanna just bus coyote? [06:45:02] <Palmar> that'd be fun [06:45:05] <marv|work> it's not really a winning move [06:45:11] <Palmar> I know [06:45:13] <Palmar> or well [06:45:15] <Palmar> it could be [06:46:06] <marv|work> would you have the motivation to ride it out to lylo? [06:46:14] <marv|work> because i'll still die d3 or so [06:46:36] <Palmar> sure [06:46:38] <Palmar> but still [06:46:50] <marv|work> not caught up yet anyway [06:46:51] <Palmar> I need to take a side I think [06:47:03] <Palmar> I feel like I'm being too undecisive [06:47:15] <marv|work> you are [07:14:25] <marv|work> oh yeah right, so i need to do 2 votecounts for SOTW? [07:29:43] <Palmar> totally [07:29:55] <marv|work> ok [07:32:19] <Palmar> sweet defense of me [07:32:20] <Palmar> gj [07:32:25] <Palmar> that sounded very normal marv [07:32:37] <marv|work> jat's on to me [07:32:39] <marv|work> but nvm [07:32:44] <Palmar> jat is mafia, remember. [07:32:57] <Palmar> let's make wile claim cop [07:36:49] <Palmar> do I bus you? [07:37:02] <marv|work> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494815-season-of-the-witch-voting-thread#11 [07:37:07] <marv|work> is that about right? [07:37:12] <marv|work> no, i wouldn't today [07:37:23] <Palmar> advice please, how to respond to koshi [07:37:47] <marv|work> "no"? [07:37:56] <Palmar> is that not scummy? [07:37:58] <Palmar> ok [07:39:31] <Palmar> If they lynch you and I'm against it the game is over [07:39:38] <Palmar> but I guess that's a risk we take [07:40:19] <marv|work> game is over anyway if they lynch me today probably [07:40:29] <Palmar> Well now it is [07:41:54] <marv|work> was that votecount right [07:42:34] <Palmar> it looked right [07:47:14] <Palmar> meeeehhh [07:47:18] <Palmar> can you dig yourself out of this [07:47:39] <marv|work> probably not [07:47:46] <marv|work> don't think the rest of town will necessarily go for it tohugh [07:47:50] <Palmar> ok [07:48:00] <Palmar> why don't you just go argue it [07:48:02] <Palmar> like hardcore [07:48:03] <Palmar> get mad [07:48:09] <marv|work> cba [07:48:10] <Palmar> call one of them mafia [07:48:12] <Palmar> no do it [07:48:17] <Palmar> it'll be hilarious [07:48:20] <marv|work> yeah but [07:48:21] <marv|work> i cba [07:48:22] <Palmar> no [07:48:23] <Palmar> do it [07:48:25] <Palmar> lazy fuck [07:48:27] <Palmar> call jat mafia [07:48:31] <Palmar> he's been so background [07:48:36] <Palmar> now he's jumping you for shit reasons [07:48:45] <Palmar> this isn't even close to normal reasonable town jat [07:48:50] <Palmar> don't listen to counterpoints [07:48:54] <Palmar> geript knows you're town [07:48:56] <Palmar> rayn knows you're town [07:49:09] <Palmar> koshi is chronically bad [07:49:14] <Palmar> it's jat who is the culprit here [07:50:59] <marv|work> right [07:51:00] <marv|work> fine [07:51:13] <Palmar> yeah go out of your element [07:51:18] <Palmar> see if no one knows wtf is up [07:51:19] <Palmar> it's fine [07:51:53] <Palmar> feisty [07:51:55] <Palmar> I like it [08:05:51] <Palmar> that jat response is interesting [08:06:20] <marv|work> is it? [08:06:21] <Palmar> because you're burying himm [08:06:25] <marv|work> ah [08:06:27] <Palmar> (or well, trying to) [08:06:34] <Palmar> and that's what his predicted town marv reaction is [08:06:39] <Palmar> so he SHOULD townread you [08:06:51] <Palmar> on the basis that you're tyring to bury him [08:07:48] <marv|work> volume post is all wrong anyway [08:07:50] <marv|work> i'll have what [08:07:52] <marv|work> 8 pages EOD? [08:07:56] <marv|work> and i was away for both evenings so far [08:08:03] <Palmar> yes [08:08:12] <Palmar> which is far less than the 21 pages from last game [08:08:13] <Palmar> gaiden [08:08:17] <Palmar> or something [08:08:21] <marv|work> 20 pages over 2 cycles [08:08:28] <Palmar> oh wait [08:08:32] <Palmar> yeah you died n2 [08:08:34] <marv|work> ergo this rate of posting [08:08:41] <marv|work> although i didn't post for the last 48h [08:08:42] <marv|work> lol [08:08:44] <Palmar> after which I carried the game on my broken bac [08:08:48] <Palmar> thanks palmar [08:08:50] <marv|work> gj brah [08:44:03] <Palmar> fight the power [08:44:09] <Palmar> you are your usual townie self [08:44:33] <Palmar> that wasn't a poor reaction, that was the reasonable reaction to being called mafia unreasonably [08:44:49] <Palmar> you're tired of people calling you mafia when you're not [09:33:14] <Palmar> your countdown is wrong [09:33:16] <Palmar> day is 72h [09:39:50] <marv|work> oh [11:23:20] <marv|work> dunno how i fooled rayn so hard for now [11:24:07] <Palmar> yes [11:24:12] <Palmar> rayn is so pocketed [11:27:45] <Palmar> who do we shoot [11:27:51] <Palmar> so many people that need to be shot [11:27:57] <marv|work> not sure [11:28:11] <Palmar> I guess we shoot and jan for no particular reason [11:28:46] <marv|work> yep. [11:28:57] <marv|work> we can kinda just yolo our shot late on depending on how we feel [11:30:11] <Palmar> yeah [11:31:24] <Palmar> at least we're somewhat building a voting block [11:31:35] <Palmar> me you rayn, maybe we're winning over moosy and damdy [11:31:44] <Palmar> geript is also humping your leg [11:31:58] <Palmar> warwaffle is useless, onegu thinks I'm town [11:32:08] <Palmar> the danger zone is koshi/jat/ritoky [11:36:24] <marv|work> yeah damdy didn't like jat's push on me [11:36:33] <Palmar> moosy didn't either [11:36:40] <Palmar> like jat is not coming clean out of this [11:36:47] <Palmar> I'm afraid of rayn though [11:36:50] <Palmar> he might pick up [11:36:56] <marv|work> he will [11:36:59] <marv|work> we should probably shoot him tbh [11:37:13] <Palmar> level 2 play [11:37:22] <marv|work> he's very wrong now [11:37:26] <marv|work> but he never stays very wrong [11:38:14] <marv|work> with any luck people might think i'm being setup [11:50:13] <Palmar> rofl [11:50:22] <Palmar> rayn's first 3 names [11:50:39] <marv|work> isn't it glorious [11:50:44] <Palmar> it's perfect [11:50:46] <Palmar> I almost feel bad [12:16:47] <marv|work> well at least everyone will know i will be super easy to catch next scumgame [12:16:54] <marv|work> this is my 1/4 game of vaguely attempting to play [12:17:13] <Palmar> geript thinks I'm town [12:17:18] <Palmar> this is going surprisingly well [12:17:21] <Palmar> keep at it. [12:18:46] <Palmar> I think we have a good amount of interaction [12:19:29] <marv|work> yeah, we've done quite well [12:19:39] <marv|work> i think i kinda managed to seed my strengthening townread on you alright [12:19:52] <marv|work> of course if you flip before me it's a disaster [12:19:58] <marv|work> if i flip before you it's great for you [12:21:11] <Palmar> not great [12:21:13] <Palmar> but manageable [12:21:22] <Palmar> might become great if I do the night-shift waffle [12:22:07] <marv|work> best thing about night-shift waffle is that you're not committed to it --------- [17:33:05] <marvellosity> hey [17:33:08] <marvellosity> who got lynched? [17:33:20] <Palmar> I think it was moosy [17:33:27] <Palmar> tied with jat with my vote [17:33:30] <Palmar> but obviously got there first [17:33:44] <Palmar> your vote was late [17:33:50] <Palmar> I'm going to call you out on it [17:33:52] <marvellosity> i thought the deadline [17:33:53] <marvellosity> was 11 [17:34:10] <Palmar> But I'll mainly use the night to do it [17:34:18] <Palmar> like tomorrow it's business time again [17:34:19] <marvellosity> like i literally thought i had half an hour [17:34:24] <Palmar> I set geript up [17:34:31] <Palmar> or well I set myself up to flip on geript [17:34:35] <Palmar> and wile is getting townreads [17:34:41] <marvellosity> yes [17:34:43] <marvellosity> well done by him [17:34:45] <Palmar> yeah [17:34:48] <marvellosity> tbh [17:34:54] <marvellosity> this is actually a super high quality game at the moment [17:34:58] <Palmar> did you see "how to live your life" post [17:35:13] <marvellosity> town are productive, mafia are holding them off [17:35:15] <marvellosity> i'll go look [17:35:23] <Palmar> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24865910 [17:35:24] <Palmar> the sass [17:35:29] <Palmar> it's seething out of him [17:35:48] <marvellosity> hahahaha [17:35:50] <marvellosity> yes just found it myself [17:35:54] <Palmar> so good [17:36:02] <marvellosity> really actually is [17:36:12] <marvellosity> it's just so perfect lol [17:50:33] <marvellosity> great wifom post from rayn tbh [17:50:48] <Palmar> yes [17:51:04] <marvellosity> i literally went through the wifom process [17:51:07] <marvellosity> so i know it's a good post [17:51:08] <marvellosity> lol [17:51:12] <Palmar> [17:51:20] <Palmar> he's not a mason [17:51:26] <Palmar> no one has views that line up with his [17:51:33] <Palmar> or well, if he is a mason, he's not using that [17:51:37] <marvellosity> mm [17:51:38] <Palmar> like they're not communicating [17:51:42] <marvellosity> i know what you mean [17:51:52] <marvellosity> no ally on moosy? [17:52:03] <Palmar> well [17:52:06] <Palmar> some allies on moosy [17:52:09] <Palmar> but other than that [17:52:10] <Palmar> meh [17:52:18] <Palmar> like the closest thing to a consensus man with rayn is damdy [17:52:23] <Palmar> or us, obviously [17:52:32] <marvellosity> hmm [17:52:39] <marvellosity> best shoot one of us, we're unlikely to be protected [17:52:44] <Palmar> yep ---------- [06:51:19] <Palmar> we should get in there [06:51:29] <marv|work> hmm? [06:51:40] <Palmar> oh you're already in there [06:51:41] <Palmar> good [06:52:21] <marv|work> i've no idea what you're on about, but i'm glad you're happy [06:52:38] <Palmar> last I checked the thread was super slow [06:52:42] <Palmar> but that was maybe 90 minutes ago [06:52:50] <Palmar> since then there's like 4 pages and you're not afk [06:52:56] <Palmar> which means it's just me that needs to get in there [06:53:00] <marv|work> ah [06:53:06] <marv|work> yes i found some new energy this morning [06:53:09] <marv|work> always good [06:53:14] <Palmar> well the game is going relatively well [06:53:18] <marv|work> yes [06:53:23] <Palmar> dismiss the SL thing as ridiculous? [06:53:25] <marv|work> i've started getting the annoying feeling that i really want to win [06:53:51] <marv|work> you can if you want, but jat is kinda bang on with what he said lol [06:54:07] <Palmar> sure [06:54:27] <Palmar> but we'll just get SL (I've thought it was sl for quite a long time after he said "I've never lost mafia game with either of you" in the QT) [06:54:42] <Palmar> to forcefully deny it [06:54:50] <marv|work> sure thing [06:54:54] <marv|work> that 'veg' thing though [06:54:57] <Palmar> which means jat would be asking us to lynch a guy on speculation [06:55:35] <marv|work> SOTW is IML yea? [06:55:51] <Palmar> yes [06:55:57] <Palmar> but remember [06:55:59] <Palmar> a deadlinevote [06:56:03] <Palmar> is only counted at deadline [06:56:08] <marv|work> oh [06:56:15] <marv|work> fuck this is complex [06:56:19] <Palmar> well it's kinda smart [06:56:25] <Palmar> it's a self-solving "shorten the day" solution [06:56:33] <Palmar> if they want shorter days, they just hammer a bitch [06:56:42] <Palmar> otherwise it's really just a deadline majority [06:57:05] <marv|work> why is rayn unvoting damdred, he has to know he is mafia [06:57:19] <Palmar> I'm paying literally 0 attention [06:57:23] <Palmar> I have no idea [06:57:30] <marv|work> me neither [06:57:35] <marv|work> not opened the thread other than to post a votecount [06:57:37] <marv|work> lol [06:57:47] <marv|work> but damdred has like 2 posts. [06:57:49] <Palmar> haha [06:58:54] <marv|work> we are terrible hosts [06:59:32] <marv|work> if there's a vig, i can see wile dying tonight [06:59:35] <marv|work> definitely need janitor [06:59:38] <Palmar> yes [06:59:43] <Palmar> who do we shoot? [06:59:44] <Palmar> rayn? [06:59:48] <Palmar> it's the safest play [06:59:55] <Palmar> but man I'd like to not have to deal with koshi [06:59:55] <marv|work> would geript-mafia shoot rayn? [07:00:05] <Palmar> sure, rayn is calling geript mafia [07:00:07] <marv|work> koshi is a great medic dodge [07:00:20] <marv|work> but i'm very scared of rayn starting to piece things together eventually [07:00:26] <Palmar> yes [07:00:33] <Palmar> ritoky would be a good medic dodge tbh [07:00:39] <marv|work> i thought about that [07:00:43] <marv|work> the thing about hitting ritoky [07:00:47] <Palmar> is that it points to me [07:00:53] <marv|work> is that people WILL, and lots of them, start saying that it's a vet-heavy mafia team [07:01:00] <marv|work> that's what happens when a non-vet gets hit in a vet-heavy game [07:01:29] <marv|work> vet/strong player/prominent or well known player, you get the idea [07:01:35] <Palmar> yes [07:02:17] <marv|work> playing mafia with you is kinda tricky, because we're so forced to tie ourselves to each other [07:02:33] <Palmar> it's fine though [07:02:45] <Palmar> I'd rather play mafia with you than play mafia against you [07:02:46] <Palmar> [07:03:11] <Palmar> it's enought to have to deal with rayn, koshi, jat [07:03:15] <Palmar> if marv was in there too [07:03:23] <Palmar> I'd have just gone afk and see how long I'd last on that [07:03:26] <marv|work> the reason i won so much games of scum is in large part because i don't let my team collapse like a stack of cards with associations (i remember very distinctly one large normal where everyone on HF's team got tied to him and they literally all fell at once) [07:03:43] <marv|work> afk good strat [07:04:34] <marv|work> and yes, so would i [07:04:56] <marv|work> i'm a lot less stressed than i normally am. [07:05:11] <Palmar> well winning rayn over and not having to deal with you [07:05:18] <Palmar> has been exceptionally motivating [07:05:27] <marv|work> it does help [07:05:32] <Palmar> also resisting the urge to bus there yesterday [07:05:44] <Palmar> there was a time when two-three people were in the thread calling for our collective heads [07:05:52] <Palmar> and it just kinda passed by [07:05:56] <Palmar> because we didn't panic [07:06:14] <marv|work> yep [07:06:17] <marv|work> it's so easy to overreact [07:06:34] <marv|work> fortunately noone listens to a word koshi says [10:41:19] <marv|work> well done [10:41:40] <marv|work> attacking jat makes a lot of sense in the context of the game [10:42:05] <Palmar> you're not being sarcastic, right? [10:42:13] <marv|work> no [10:42:18] <Palmar> good [10:42:26] <Palmar> I felt like I had to take some sort of a stance [10:42:35] <Palmar> can't just nod along till we all get lynched [10:42:38] <Palmar> even if he's wrong [10:42:46] <Palmar> I'm gonna argue that he should be wrong in a different way or he's mafia [10:42:48] <marv|work> agreed [10:42:56] <marv|work> it makes the web a lot more tangled, can only be good [10:43:48] <Palmar> what does nai mean? [10:43:51] <marv|work> we're also agreeing on the right number of things [10:44:04] <marv|work> which should lead you to having some good feelings about me :p [10:44:07] <marv|work> not admissable [10:44:12] <marv|work> non admissable [10:44:15] <marv|work> something like that [10:47:51] <Palmar> I keep worrying about townreading too many people [10:47:56] <Palmar> but tbh, I'm barely townreading any [10:48:01] <Palmar> my one strong townread is rayn [10:48:16] <Palmar> I have a semi-disposable townread on damdy and wile [10:48:23] <Palmar> I already dumped my townread on geript [10:48:27] <Palmar> oh koshi is a townread [10:48:32] <marv|work> yeah [10:48:41] <marv|work> rayn/koshi/ritoky i guess for me? [10:48:55] <Palmar> I'm not gonna commit to a ritoky townread [10:48:59] <Palmar> I'm gonna pretend to not read him [10:49:06] <Palmar> but yeah [10:49:21] <Palmar> like I'm gonna pull him out of a hat at some point and go [10:49:26] <Palmar> "hay ritoky has really dropped off [10:49:32] <Palmar> "and he called me mafia" [10:49:33] <marv|work> yeah [10:49:35] <marv|work> if he does drop off [10:49:38] <Palmar> he has [10:49:40] <Palmar> or well [10:49:42] <marv|work> he has literally never been this townie btw [10:49:49] <Palmar> I can easily paint the picture that he has [10:49:56] <marv|work> remember the game rayn bussed jat and onegu [10:49:58] <Palmar> that's ok, townpalmar doesn't read the posts of peasants [10:50:01] <marv|work> how absolutely shit ritoky was [10:50:02] <Palmar> xxx [10:50:03] <Palmar> yes [10:50:07] <Palmar> he was worst [10:50:16] <marv|work> like [10:50:19] <marv|work> his one read was 100% town onegu [10:50:26] <Palmar> who are we shooting? [10:50:32] <marv|work> here he's doing all kinds of shit and it's not even remotely scummy, very annoying [10:50:36] <marv|work> erm [10:50:49] <Palmar> also, who is rayn saying is his mason partner? [10:50:53] <marv|work> dunno [10:50:59] <Palmar> he left you that message [10:51:01] <Palmar> did you miss it? [10:51:18] <marv|work> no i saw it [10:51:36] <Palmar> did you tell him you didn't get it? [10:51:44] <marv|work> no [10:51:52] <Palmar> I _think_ you should [10:52:03] <marv|work> do we just hit rayn and hope for the best? [10:52:11] <Palmar> that's one option [10:52:12] <marv|work> like we don't lose a ml by missing one shot [10:52:15] <Palmar> could backfire terribly [10:52:28] <Palmar> although we can just claim the doc [10:52:30] <marv|work> no doctor. [10:52:35] <Palmar> or jk [10:52:43] <marv|work> no jk. [10:52:48] <marv|work> there isn't a protective role except vet [10:52:54] <marv|work> literally just checking as we speak [10:53:18] <Palmar> well then we just shoot hi [10:53:20] <marv|work> so worst case scenario [10:53:22] <marv|work> rayn is vet [10:53:23] <Palmar> we can roleblock and shoot him [10:53:27] <Palmar> like why not [10:53:35] <Palmar> especially if roleblocks get notified [10:53:36] <marv|work> hmm [10:53:42] <marv|work> it's passive or [10:53:42] <Palmar> because we don't want to give a claim like that to town [10:53:49] <Palmar> idk [10:53:50] <marv|work> yeah rb doesn't work [10:53:56] <Palmar> well then yeah [10:53:59] <Palmar> we have to shoot him anwyay [10:54:01] <Palmar> at some point [10:54:04] <marv|work> ya [10:54:07] <Palmar> we're not gonna lynch rayn [10:54:09] <marv|work> and ppl will think it validates his reads [10:54:13] <marv|work> which are wrong [10:54:24] <Palmar> there is a cop [10:54:27] <Palmar> I'm afraid of the cop [10:54:30] <Palmar> still [10:54:33] <Palmar> he's only gonna get one of us [10:54:37] <Palmar> main thing is to stay seperated [10:54:41] <marv|work> bet there isn't a cop [10:54:50] <Palmar> the miller just for lulz? [10:54:55] <marv|work> yea [10:55:08] <marv|work> seems megaharsh not to give us even a gf if there is a cop [10:55:10] <Palmar> btw naive mason is a super strong role for town actually [10:55:17] <Palmar> like much stronger than you'd think it is [10:55:30] <marv|work> how [10:55:32] <Palmar> rayn might be watched though [10:55:37] <marv|work> true. [10:55:40] <marv|work> piss [10:55:46] <marv|work> that's actually a legit concern [10:56:33] <marv|work> but we can't avoid rayn forever and we can't just cross our fingers that we miraculously lynch/shoot the watcher that we don't know exists [10:56:44] <Palmar> yes [10:56:48] <Palmar> still [10:56:53] <Palmar> it's a high % thing [10:57:01] <Palmar> if I am watcher this game, I'm on rayn or you [10:57:23] <marv|work> same tomorrow [10:57:25] <marv|work> and the day after [10:57:30] <Palmar> yes [10:57:32] <Palmar> well [10:57:37] <Palmar> wandering townie claim it is [10:57:46] <marv|work> i think we should hit rayn and you should carry the KP [10:57:51] <Palmar> of course [10:57:55] <Palmar> I need to jan him anyway [10:58:05] <marv|work> isn't jan a general thing [10:58:10] <marv|work> rather than targeted [10:58:26] <Palmar> might be [10:58:45] <Palmar> and yes, I should carry the kp [10:58:53] <Palmar> because if I genuinely manage to turn it on [10:58:53] <marv|work> because it hides all kills from the night [10:58:58] <Palmar> you can save me [10:59:02] <Palmar> even if we get caught [10:59:12] <Palmar> I'll just go super town mode [10:59:18] <marv|work> you will? [10:59:20] <Palmar> maybe [10:59:23] <Palmar> I'll try [10:59:46] <Palmar> Like I'll do one of those classic day 2/day 3 super defenses of myself [10:59:51] <Palmar> I love talking about myself anyway [10:59:55] <Palmar> if I fake it well enough [11:00:05] <Palmar> people might start going "I actually don't think palmar is mafia" [11:00:11] <marv|work> if you fake it well enough i'll start getting paranoid of my read on you in future games :p [11:02:21] <Palmar> I have a super read [11:04:20] <marv|work> you what? [11:07:03] <marv|work> so rbs only notified if the guy has an action [11:07:04] <Palmar> or well [11:07:10] <Palmar> ok [11:07:18] <Palmar> then we just rng the rb basically [11:07:42] <marv|work> hmm [11:07:52] <marv|work> i guess ritoky isn't a roel [11:07:54] <Palmar> we can't roleblock him too [11:07:56] <marv|work> or if he is a role, it's veteran [11:07:56] <Palmar> oh [11:07:58] <Palmar> yeah [11:08:03] <Palmar> well I suck at bluehunting [11:08:10] <marv|work> he wouldn''t be playing much townier if he was a non-vet blue [11:08:37] <marv|work> similarly i'm not sure damdred would have started the day so strongly [11:08:54] <marv|work> i kinda like a jat or koshi roleblock [11:09:02] <Palmar> those two would be ok [11:09:08] <marv|work> jat for his suspicions on me, koshi for his on you [11:09:19] <marv|work> saves us from a check or track or something [11:12:35] <Palmar> if it's me who's going to deliver [11:12:39] <Palmar> might as well block koshi [11:12:59] <marv|work> because koshi would track you [11:13:00] <marv|work> ok [11:13:35] <marv|work> so palmar kill rayn, palmar janitor, wile rb koshi [11:13:44] <marv|work> marv goon sit around jacking off [11:13:46] <Palmar> something like that [11:13:54] <Palmar> you better carry if we get caught [11:14:10] <Palmar> also I've been setting up the super play for 2 years [11:14:11] <marv|work> with me away for a solid 48h this weekend? [11:14:13] <Palmar> I'll reveal it some day [11:14:38] <marv|work> like i'm going out friday evening and taking acid, this is a proper afk deal lol [11:14:58] <Palmar> enjoy! [11:15:35] <marv|work> never had it before [11:15:40] <marv|work> which is super dumb, as it's right up my alley [11:24:12] <Palmar> did you know your wile quote thing is bs?▒ [11:24:21] <marv|work> is it? [11:24:23] <Palmar> of course [11:24:34] <marv|work> why [11:24:34] <Palmar> the three names are three candidates with votes at the time [11:24:47] <marv|work> so? [11:24:49] <Palmar> he's literally saying of the wagons he wants the least to go for ceph [11:24:57] <marv|work> if i declare someone confidently town then i don't put them as a preference [11:25:00] <Palmar> which is 100% consistent with him thinking ceph won't flipmafia [11:25:14] <Palmar> there are three wagons [11:25:18] <marv|work> feel free to correct me, i make errors like that all the time [11:25:20] <Palmar> he's putting them in order [11:25:23] <Palmar> 1, 2, 3 [11:25:45] <marv|work> remember the csae i made a couple of games ago based on a completely incorrect read of someone's filter [11:25:50] <marv|work> i just own up and move along [11:26:44] <marv|work> if you could do that so i could do that [11:26:47] <marv|work> that would be nice [11:27:05] <marv|work> thx [11:28:56] <marv|work> i could totes see us being lynched one after the other based on the line "they were far too comfortable talking to each other" [11:29:12] <Palmar> we always are though [11:29:16] <Palmar> I don't think people will read into it [11:29:24] <marv|work> as town/scum? [11:30:15] <Palmar> idk [11:30:19] <Palmar> yeah that's a point [11:30:24] <Palmar> well if I flip first [11:30:26] <Palmar> it's a risk [11:30:40] <Palmar> if you flip first I'll just say "I fucking knew it" [11:30:43] <marv|work> me flipping first is 100% whawt we want [11:30:46] <Palmar> and quote all the posts where I'm waffling on you [11:30:50] <marv|work> so if it comes to the stage we're going all out at each other [11:30:52] <Palmar> and ignore the ones where I'm not pushing you [11:30:57] <marv|work> you have to win [11:31:13] <Palmar> well we have 2 options [11:31:26] <Palmar> I win, or you're convincing enough that you win and get massive cred [11:31:35] <Palmar> like if you write a case similar to the championship case [11:31:42] <marv|work> and then don't get hit with no doctors or jks subsequently? [11:31:55] <Palmar> brush it off as wifom [11:31:57] <Palmar> that's always the answer [11:32:07] <Palmar> and yell super loudly if someone tries to lynch the guy who got me lynched [11:32:12] <Palmar> take all the credit [11:32:36] <marv|work> oh yeah i actually wrote a case on you [11:32:42] <marv|work> how unusual [11:32:48] <marv|work> sheepherding. [11:33:00] <Palmar> I counted [11:33:03] <Palmar> that was fun [11:33:06] <Palmar> mod had to stop it [11:33:12] <Palmar> spoiling my fun [11:33:50] <marv|work> hahaha [11:41:58] <marv|work> 12 pages for first cycle [11:42:00] <marv|work> not a bad rate [11:50:22] <Palmar> yeah [11:50:27] <Palmar> you rack up pages amazingly fast [11:50:33] <Palmar> I have 10 which is so much for me [11:50:35] <marv|work> i double-triple post a lot [11:51:17] <marv|work> funny thing is, i'm pretty sure my average wordcount per post is still longer than when i'm town [11:51:35] <Palmar> I have a program that measures that [11:51:39] <marv|work> i know [11:51:39] <Palmar> but cba setting it up [11:51:41] <marv|work> i was in a game you did it [11:51:56] <marv|work> surprisingly my average was very low :p --------- [05:37:45] <marv|work> ugh [05:40:26] <marv|work> we're boned. [05:47:42] <Palmar> are we? [05:47:55] <marv|work> confirmed town running around everywhere [05:48:33] <marv|work> bloody wile having the role that we actually need to use [05:48:37] <marv|work> if i had rb none of this would happen [05:48:55] <Palmar> yes [05:49:00] <Palmar> still [05:49:11] <Palmar> we'll kill jat and koshi [05:49:15] <Palmar> and shout down everyone else [05:49:28] <Palmar> we have to kill jat [05:49:33] <marv|work> don't we kinda need to lynch jat [05:49:39] <Palmar> no [05:49:42] <Palmar> we just murder him [05:49:43] <Palmar> and yell [05:49:47] <Palmar> the problem will be tomorrow [05:49:58] <Palmar> but I think we can outmuscle him with koshi gone [05:50:05] <marv|work> ok [05:50:18] <Palmar> Like this is the only winning strategy I see [05:50:26] <Palmar> we kill koshi tonight. Confirmed blue and a pain in the ass [05:50:32] <Palmar> scott thinks I'm town btw [05:50:36] <Palmar> so does damdy [05:50:39] <Palmar> we still have allies [05:50:43] <marv|work> right [05:50:48] <marv|work> but you're not really my ally [05:50:54] <Palmar> no [05:50:59] <Palmar> but I'm not going to lynch you [05:50:59] <marv|work> do i have any? [05:51:03] <Palmar> yes, geript [05:51:14] <Palmar> but ok [05:51:14] <marv|work> oh and i just agreed with damdred defending him [05:51:17] <marv|work> that worked out then [05:51:28] <Palmar> you can't throw me under the bus [05:51:31] <Palmar> until the time is right [05:51:41] <Palmar> like if jat and koshi are dead [05:51:47] <Palmar> you CAN kill me first [05:51:48] <Palmar> without dying [05:51:52] <Palmar> so we just need them gone [05:52:08] <Palmar> the others won't understand how ridiculous it is that town marv hard townread scum palmar [05:52:23] <Palmar> But yeah the strategy is this [05:52:34] <Palmar> today we shut down discussion (don't help them along) [05:52:38] <Palmar> blame weekend, etc [05:52:49] <marv|work> well [05:52:52] <Palmar> tonight we shoot koshi [05:52:54] <marv|work> i'm afk from when i finish work essentially [05:52:57] <Palmar> yes [05:53:02] <Palmar> that's good [05:53:08] <Palmar> tomorrow is the hard day [05:53:19] <Palmar> we have to get someone like ceph or geript or damdy lynched tomorrow [05:53:41] <Palmar> we have to isolate jat and strip him of allies [05:53:51] <Palmar> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24869946 [05:54:12] <Palmar> koshi kill points just as much to jat as it does to me [05:54:25] <marv|work> mm [05:54:26] <Palmar> like if we can lynch jat, that'd be great [05:54:38] <marv|work> it's semi-tempting to kinda all-in on lynching jat [05:54:52] <Palmar> yes that's a strategy, if you're around on sunday/monday [05:54:58] <marv|work> oh yea [05:54:59] <marv|work> ugh [05:55:00] <Palmar> just build some ridiculous case [05:55:06] <Palmar> damdy will run with it [05:55:19] <Palmar> we're just gonna have to hope scott is actually 1 shot [05:55:28] <Palmar> he should be [05:55:35] <Palmar> 2 masons, vigi and tracker is a lot of blues [05:55:53] <marv|work> it's obscene. [05:55:58] <marv|work> it's already obscene [05:56:05] <marv|work> it's totally imbalanced tbh [05:56:27] <Palmar> yep [05:56:37] <Palmar> (this is your people at work, the mafia nerfers) [05:56:49] <marv|work> 2 blues is more than enough [05:56:50] <marv|work> for 10-3 [05:56:53] <marv|work> and we got 4 [05:57:52] <Palmar> 2 strong blues [05:57:56] <Palmar> or 3 semi weak ones [05:58:15] <marv|work> not sure whether i should be arguing with jat now [05:58:23] <Palmar> yes [05:58:25] <Palmar> not with koshi alive [05:58:45] <marv|work> hard to stop though [05:59:56] <Palmar> did you accidentally defend me? [06:01:10] <marv|work> huh? [06:01:16] <marv|work> i've been calling you town [06:01:20] <Palmar> he said he was better than me [06:01:21] <marv|work> oh [06:01:22] <marv|work> the joke [06:01:32] <Palmar> ah I get it [06:01:33] <marv|work> it was just convenient to needle him, but yes [06:12:39] <marv|work> love this onegu thing [06:13:12] <marv|work> you do have a bit of a talent for creating more scenarios / making things more complicated [06:13:56] <Palmar> I'd be a good mafia player if I wasn't so damned transparent when I'm town [06:14:07] <marv|work> this is a really excellent game from you so far tbh [06:14:33] <Palmar> I just called jat manlet [06:14:36] <Palmar> I think that was good [06:14:37] <Palmar> but yeah, thanks [06:14:42] <marv|work> i'd be an amazing mafia player if i didn't have such a massively high burden of expectation of productivity from me [06:14:46] <Palmar> yes [06:14:59] <Palmar> the baggage of caring about winning as town [06:15:01] <Palmar> is heavy [06:15:05] <marv|work> it really is [06:15:11] <Palmar> but at least jat won't be able to complain people don't put effort into mafia games [06:15:22] <marv|work> haha yes [06:15:27] <marv|work> we've definitely made a game of it [06:15:36] <marv|work> strong strong lineup + 4 blues [06:15:40] <marv|work> how do you beat that [06:20:19] <Palmar> please don't reply that I should bring mafia [06:20:31] <marv|work> too late [06:20:32] <Palmar> just tell me to shut up [06:20:33] <Palmar> lol [06:20:34] <marv|work> but i didn't really [06:21:38] <Palmar> yeah that was fine [06:21:48] <Palmar> the point is my purgatory was kinda scummy [06:21:53] <Palmar> because obviously I should also be finding mafia [06:22:28] <Palmar> but I'm drawing a line between us, and I'm establishing my cocky personality [06:22:37] <Palmar> which is only a problem if you shift the suspicion on me [06:22:57] <Palmar> in general I am still assuming you will die before me (possibly on day 4-5) if one of us has to die. [06:23:04] <marv|work> yes [06:23:09] <marv|work> i can make sure i lose vs you if it comes to that [06:23:27] <Palmar> yeah [06:23:27] <marv|work> i'm settled on you as town now [06:23:30] <Palmar> yep [06:23:31] <Palmar> that's fine [06:23:35] <Palmar> you "have to do that as mafia" [06:23:36] <marv|work> you wanting to lynch me doesn't make me think you are less town [06:23:41] <Palmar> exactly [06:23:47] <Palmar> that's the correct stance for both of us [06:23:59] <marv|work> let's hope it's enough [06:24:06] <Palmar> I am waffling and shifting responsibilty to you, while suspecting you [06:24:16] <Palmar> and you are annoyed but confident in a town read on me [06:24:19] <marv|work> if we wangled a win from this game, it would be one of my best [06:24:30] <Palmar> these are the correct stances in ANY game where I'm not mafia [06:24:35] <marv|work> yes [06:24:47] <Palmar> both town/town and town/marvscum [06:24:59] <marv|work> mm [06:25:03] <Palmar> and yes [06:25:08] <Palmar> well we have a strategy [06:25:11] <Palmar> I haven't done the math though [06:25:15] <Palmar> 10 people today [06:25:19] <Palmar> wile and koshi gone tomorrow [06:25:20] <marv|work> i actually look back on my mafia games with a lot of fondness [06:25:27] <marv|work> i've had some amazing wins [06:25:28] <Palmar> that's 8 (2 confirmed) [06:25:50] <Palmar> so then it's like... jat and ceph [06:25:56] <Palmar> so that's 6 (2 confirmed) [06:26:07] <Palmar> then it's like you and ritoky [06:26:12] <Palmar> that's 4 (1 confirmed) [06:26:19] <marv|work> mylo [06:26:31] <marv|work> this is what we were talking about before the game [06:26:34] <marv|work> the vigi shot removed a ML [06:26:46] <Palmar> 3v1 mylo with geript/damdred/scott [06:26:56] <Palmar> so yes [06:27:07] <Palmar> ideally we can get rid of jat with a lynch, but it doesn't really matter [06:27:13] <Palmar> I think I can win geript in that situation [06:27:16] <Palmar> but not certain [06:27:22] <marv|work> it would give us a shot [06:27:24] <Palmar> yep [06:27:26] <marv|work> all we can ask for [06:27:36] <Palmar> and of course some of the names might be jumbled around [06:27:40] <marv|work> mm [06:27:58] <Palmar> but yes, this is a winning, if slightly unlikely to succeed, strategy [06:28:35] <marv|work> and we both have zero thread pull for about 48h [06:29:01] <Palmar> what do you mean? [06:29:08] <Palmar> oh weekend [06:29:15] <Palmar> I'm gonna use it as an excuse but I will be there [06:29:24] <Palmar> and it's mostly just night + first part of a day [06:29:26] <Palmar> so it'll be fine [06:29:41] <marv|work> yeah [06:29:44] <Palmar> the main thing is not to let a lynch on you tomorrow fester [06:30:00] <Palmar> also let's not forget [06:30:35] <Palmar> depending on how strong you are, maybe we either switch the 3v1 scenario (and you lynch damdred with geript, instead of me lynching geript with damdred), OR we just try to win outright in 4v2 [06:31:01] <marv|work> 4-2 would be the ideal probably [06:31:07] <marv|work> but likely impossible [06:31:31] <Palmar> yeah it all depends on how strong ritoky will be [06:31:36] <Palmar> because he's going to be alive [06:31:42] <Palmar> unless he somehow becomes more dangerous than jat [06:31:54] <marv|work> jat is just irritating [06:32:03] <Palmar> don't underestimate him [06:32:10] <marv|work> i'm not [06:32:12] <Palmar> he is NOT looking for the easy way out of this game [06:32:13] <marv|work> i'm saying he's irritating [06:32:16] <Palmar> yeah [06:32:18] <marv|work> haha [06:32:28] <Palmar> but irritating in the same way as aids or nuclear explosions [06:32:48] <Palmar> not like lour people at the movies [06:32:54] <marv|work> if we kill koshi [06:32:54] <Palmar> loud* [06:33:00] <Palmar> we do kill koshi [06:33:01] <marv|work> wonder if i could just kinda all-in lynching jat [06:33:11] <Palmar> if you can, do it [06:33:29] <Palmar> that allows me to remove ritoky 1 cycle earlier and we go into 4v2 with damdy geript scott and ceph [06:33:34] <Palmar> only 1 of them is confirmed [06:33:45] <Palmar> and 2 are hard pocketed by one of us [06:35:09] <Palmar> remember that I always call you mafia [06:35:10] <marv|work> that's very winnable [06:35:15] <marv|work> yeah i just said so [06:35:35] <Palmar> be more affirmative with it [06:36:08] <Palmar> or well [06:36:11] <Palmar> your call [06:36:14] <Palmar> but there is a point there [06:36:17] <Palmar> if you want it [06:36:43] <Palmar> the rayn point is good too [06:36:46] <Palmar> gj [06:39:33] <marv|work> quite enjoy these arguments tbh [06:39:38] <marv|work> i don't *think* i am coming off worse [06:40:06] <Palmar> no you're doing fine [06:40:10] <Palmar> no one that's still alive [06:40:13] <Palmar> is going to wade through that shit [06:40:19] <Palmar> that's one of the reasons jat is dangerous [06:40:29] <Palmar> he actually has million hours to play the game. [06:41:25] <marv|work> yeah. [06:41:34] <marv|work> and he is convincing when he is in the thread. [06:41:39] <Palmar> yeah [06:41:43] <marv|work> and he's gonna be in the thread for 2 days when i am totally afk [06:41:46] <marv|work> a little tricky. [06:41:46] <Palmar> best time to attack him is while he sleeps [06:41:50] <marv|work> yes :p [06:42:18] <Palmar> have you talked to rayn? [06:42:45] <marv|work> noes [06:43:18] <Palmar> just wondering if he wanted to know the team or something [06:43:28] <Palmar> shining is super mad in sotw [06:43:37] <marv|work> hahahaha [06:43:41] <marv|work> that timing [06:43:45] <marv|work> just got a pm from rayn [06:43:57] <marv|work> literally 30s after you asked [06:44:02] <Palmar> is he asking for the team? [06:44:10] <marv|work> no, he's saying "you are town, right?" [06:44:13] <marv|work> why is Shining mad? [06:44:14] <Palmar> hahahahahahha [06:44:21] <Palmar> dandel got lynched and shot the cop [06:44:23] <Palmar> (shining [06:44:34] <Palmar> http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/PNCfMPVX8vghp [06:44:40] <Palmar> "GG WP you fucking idiot. You just cost the town their Inquisitor. I'm afking this Angel shit. Peace." [06:48:09] <Palmar> jat is such a sucker for validation [06:48:23] <marv|work> well yea [06:48:26] <marv|work> he's so openly desperate for it [06:48:27] <marv|work> lol [06:48:28] <Palmar> 2nd tier means 0 [06:48:31] <Palmar> like means nothing [06:48:38] <Palmar> I just made that up to bug him [06:48:44] <marv|work> i know [06:48:46] <marv|work> lol [08:08:19] <Palmar> jat has spent all game trying to create the impression he's doing things he isn't doing [08:08:29] <marv|work> yup [08:08:33] <Palmar> damdred just pointed out another example of it [08:09:00] <Palmar> and also when he called damdred's point a "blatant lie" when it was at best slight difference of understanding [08:09:00] <marv|work> definitely scummy [08:09:09] <Palmar> I pointed that out [08:10:27] <Palmar> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24867755 [10:06:28] <Palmar> does rayn know yet? [10:06:48] <marv|work> yes [10:06:50] <marv|work> well he knows about me [10:08:48] <Palmar> ok [10:08:56] <Palmar> do you know what his theory was [10:09:03] <marv|work> no [10:09:11] <Palmar> jat hard at work creating narratives [10:11:43] <marv|work> apart from anything else, lynching jat would be enormously satisfying [10:14:15] <Palmar> yes [10:56:15] <marv|work> this is definitely productive [10:57:06] <Palmar> 100% content [12:12:49] <Palmar> why doesn't sl just stay out of the thread [12:12:52] <Palmar> fucking [12:28:59] <marv|work> why can't people follow basic instructions [12:30:08] <marv|work> we've not asked much of him... [12:30:22] <Palmar> yes [12:30:23] <Palmar> well [12:30:25] <Palmar> it's fine [12:30:34] <Palmar> but koshi and jat will know it [12:30:40] <Palmar> but we're killing both of them one way or the other [12:30:47] <Palmar> damdred and geript can be argued into submission [12:30:57] <Palmar> scott is barely playing [12:31:00] <marv|work> mm [12:31:03] <Palmar> ritoky too [12:31:05] <Palmar> ceph too [12:31:08] <marv|work> friday evening, i can't be too annoyed [12:31:14] <marv|work> ceph will come out swinging at me, guaranteed [12:31:19] <Palmar> yeah but who cares [12:31:23] <Palmar> you can always lynch him [12:31:31] <marv|work> :p [12:31:33] <Palmar> I am not busing you tomorrow btw [12:31:41] <Palmar> like I'll rather just conced the game [12:31:46] <marv|work> well we decide that then [12:31:55] <Palmar> yeah [12:31:56] <Palmar> sure [12:31:57] <marv|work> yeah not tomorrow [12:32:04] <marv|work> we need to at least squeeze a ML in first [12:32:04] <Palmar> but the plan is absolutely not day 3 marv lynch [12:32:07] <Palmar> yeop [12:32:12] <Palmar> day 4 is fair game [12:32:18] <marv|work> ugh [12:32:24] <Palmar> day 3 I am going to not lynch you, no matter the cost [12:32:26] <marv|work> never wanted to have to try for 3 bloody cycles [12:32:30] <Palmar> -------- [08:01:19] <Palmar> pressure has been mounting on you for a while [08:01:23] <Palmar> I'm not commiting to you yet [08:01:40] <Palmar> like I'm setting up to be "impressed" by your dayphase [08:01:47] <marv|work> that's stupid [08:01:53] <marv|work> i literally can't think [08:01:56] <Palmar> well [08:01:59] <marv|work> this morning [08:02:01] <Palmar> the other option is I just bus you [08:02:04] <marv|work> i went to make my tuna sandwich [08:02:09] <marv|work> opened the tuna, put it in a bowl [08:02:11] <marv|work> stood there for a moment [08:02:15] <marv|work> opened another tin of tuna [08:02:16] <marv|work> facepalmed [08:02:19] <Palmar> lol [08:02:19] <marv|work> that's about my level [08:02:26] <Palmar> so, good weekend? [08:02:47] <marv|work> yeah it was amazing. just paying the price a bit now [08:03:02] <marv|work> i've not even started reading yet. just so much effort [08:03:13] <Palmar> well, jat really wants to kill you [08:03:15] <Palmar> it's really your choice [08:03:44] <Palmar> if you want to fight, which is probably better for us (assuming you think you can win), then do it [08:04:00] <Palmar> but if you just don't have the effort, that's fine too, just tell me early so I can position myself for a chance to win [08:04:04] <Palmar> I have a late-game plan [08:04:24] <Palmar> It's insane enough that it might work [08:05:00] <Palmar> I'm never going to kill scott, and I hope he tracks me to a kill [08:05:27] <marv|work> lol [08:05:28] <Palmar> why? because I have already pointed out that he is not a shot-limited tracker [08:05:47] <Palmar> so, I can't be mafia because I chose not to shoot him [08:05:53] <marv|work> so you're gonna try lynch the blue that gave you a mafia [08:05:59] <Palmar> no [08:06:06] <Palmar> absolutely not [08:06:12] <Palmar> I'm just gonna use his red check on me to clear me [08:06:36] <Palmar> basically, the dream is that he tracks me to a kill before a 3v1 day [08:06:43] <Palmar> which means he'll claim it of course in 3v1 [08:06:48] <Palmar> at which point I'll go [08:06:53] <Palmar> "I knew the tracker was multishot" [08:07:01] <Palmar> "so why didn't I shoot him?" [08:07:13] <marv|work> the wifom is strong with this one [08:07:26] <Palmar> I'm basically going to "claim" a wandering villager dude [08:07:33] <Palmar> which is the only explanation [08:07:42] <Palmar> the mafia doesn't shoot scott because they only have a gf left [08:07:47] <Palmar> oh shit [08:07:49] <Palmar> it doesn't work [08:07:50] <Palmar> fuck [08:07:58] <Palmar> because they know mafia has janitor [08:08:04] <Palmar> and you'll flip goon [08:08:11] <Palmar> oh abandon plan [08:08:12] <Palmar> damn it [08:08:15] <Palmar> we have to shoot scott [08:08:55] <marv|work> right [08:09:01] <marv|work> see i can barely grasp what you're talking about hahaha [08:09:02] <Palmar> this sucks [08:09:05] <Palmar> that was such a great plan [08:09:15] <Palmar> well again, just make your pick [08:09:30] <Palmar> I can't feign afk forever [08:09:49] <marv|work> no [08:10:05] <marv|work> i really really really don't want to get lynched, i just don't think i'm capable [08:10:27] <Palmar> you do have support [08:10:33] <Palmar> but it's going to be a monumental task [08:10:53] <marv|work> is everyone not still suspicious of jat? [08:13:12] <Palmar> nope [08:13:21] <Palmar> while you were afk he shat some townie rainbows [08:13:24] <Palmar> but you can turn that around [08:13:38] <Palmar> I've deliberately poked him a bit and kept the suspicion alive [08:13:40] <marv|work> i just can't fight with jat [08:13:45] <marv|work> it's very hard work [08:13:56] <Palmar> you can, alternatively, try to lynch damdred [08:13:59] <Palmar> then you'd have to fight me [08:14:09] <Palmar> but jat wants to kill damdred [08:14:24] <marv|work> if jat is looking really townie, theoretically i should want to kill damdred right [08:15:25] <Palmar> I don't know [08:15:34] <Palmar> if you reallyt hink I am town [08:15:39] <marv|work> like damdred/ceph would have to be my scumteam [08:15:42] <Palmar> you should maybe also agree with me on damdred [08:15:55] <Palmar> or geript [08:16:16] <Palmar> geript has (for very little reason) been calling you town for a looong time [08:16:33] <Palmar> he's your primary ally [08:17:23] <marv|work> i'm not gonna be able to do it at work at least. maybe later once i've had a spliff and relaxed at home. so i guess feel free to bus me in the meantime [08:17:58] <Palmar> I'll kill time by doing game-solvey things [08:18:06] <Palmar> post analysis on random people etc [08:18:36] <marv|work> even if you bus me relatively hard, if i manage to make the effort later you're not committed to it right [08:18:45] <Palmar> yes [08:18:49] <Palmar> I have too many suspicious people [08:18:54] <Palmar> and I can not talk about you [08:19:05] <Palmar> it's a tiny bit risky but I'll be fine [08:19:09] <Palmar> like I'll just post about ceph [08:19:12] <marv|work> the thing is, you love talking about me. [08:19:12] <Palmar> about jat [08:19:14] <Palmar> about damdred [08:19:16] <Palmar> yes I know [08:19:20] <Palmar> tiny bit risky [08:19:22] <Palmar> but still [08:19:25] <Palmar> only jat will pick up on it [08:19:26] <marv|work> and you love lynching me [08:19:30] <marv|work> haha [08:19:38] <marv|work> up to you. [08:19:40] <Palmar> I'm willing to take that risk to give you time [08:19:48] <Palmar> I'll not bury you until tomorrow [08:19:53] <marv|work> wait [08:19:55] <marv|work> is lynch not tonight? [08:19:58] <Palmar> nope [08:20:18] <marv|work> lol [08:20:19] <marv|work> ... [08:20:33] <Palmar> lynch is in like 32 hours or something [08:20:38] <Palmar> 33? [08:20:59] <Palmar> the problem with you flipping is that it confirms damdred [08:21:04] <Palmar> ugh [08:21:13] <Palmar> at which point I have to shoot.... scott? [08:21:34] <marv|work> confirms damdred? [08:21:43] <Palmar> so the 5v1 is me/jat/confirmedritoky/confirmeddamdred/geript [08:22:05] <Palmar> so I have to lynch exactly jat and geript [08:22:07] <Palmar> jesus [08:22:25] <marv|work> cephiro? [08:22:31] <Palmar> oh fuck [08:22:37] <Palmar> wait how many people are alive? [08:22:42] <Palmar> oh it'd be a 6v1 wouldn't it? [08:22:43] <marv|work> why the fuck [08:22:45] <marv|work> are you asking me [08:22:46] <marv|work> lol [08:22:48] <Palmar> jesus [08:22:53] <Palmar> wait ok I gotta think [08:23:06] <Palmar> 6v2 now [08:23:29] <marv|work> so you'd have to lynch ceph +1 [08:23:31] <Palmar> so that means 6v1 if you fli [08:23:41] <Palmar> oh yeah I just miscounted [08:23:49] <Palmar> I said 5v1 and then counted 5 people instead of 6 [08:23:51] <Palmar> so ok [08:24:01] <Palmar> I have to lynch exactly 2/3 of geript/ceph/jat [08:24:17] <marv|work> fairly possible [08:24:18] <Palmar> and I can only get rid of exactly 2 of confirmedritoky, confirmeddamdred, jat [08:24:21] <Palmar> yes [08:24:26] <Palmar> it's not insurmountable [08:24:34] <marv|work> i feel bad now [08:25:14] <Palmar> well it's easily doable so I don't care [08:26:04] <marv|work> ok [08:26:13] <marv|work> plenty of time anyways [08:26:45] <Palmar> I'll stall until tonight/tomorrow [08:27:09] <Palmar> after that, if you don't look like you're winning, I'm moving to a position where I can have a chance of endgaming it [08:27:19] <marv|work> that sounds right [08:27:47] <Palmar> that actually is a good wifom argument for me [08:27:54] <Palmar> "ignore marv until he's had a chance to post" [08:28:00] <Palmar> and if you don't win [08:28:16] <Palmar> "look guys, why would I as mafia first give him a chance of winnning, and then proceed to slam him" [08:28:23] <Palmar> "why not just bus out of the gate" [08:28:27] <Palmar> and I know of course the answer [08:28:33] <Palmar> but sometimes yelling really loudly is good [08:29:22] <marv|work> of course [08:29:29] <marv|work> lots of my good scum wins have come from winning the wifom argument --------- | ||
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On September 29 2015 07:14 sicklucker wrote: I obv knew you had side skype and ignored it but misincluding a team mate is really mean thing to do. yeah I felt bad for a bit there, sorry. marv and I do stupid amount of talking on IRC | ||
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On September 29 2015 07:43 sicklucker wrote: only fucking annoying/cunty people correct internet grammar its like the silliest thing to do yuor not my english teacher you're* | ||
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On September 30 2015 01:40 Koshi wrote: Cpehiro was a bad lynch because marv his case on cephiro + swing of people on Cephiro was not really that likely a buss.That and Cephiro played well. One of the few I read he posts from. Day 1 was pretty ok from town and mafia. Both played well. Moos was a well deserved lynch for both teams. geript lynch was avoidable in my eyes. But I didn't read those days. Cephiro lynch was pretty bad, like I said. But then again Palmar aka you played really well so w.e. Should have been a lynch between Damdred and Palmar more imo. Cephiro himself made a mistake though, not getting in front of his lynch early enough. He needed to exploit the fact I was away on sunday to make his case for being town, instead he sat and waited and let me take the initiative. | ||
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