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Damdred
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ritoky
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Cephiro
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I'm the only one (except Moosy) who was trying to get Wile lynched D1. Yes, I ended up voting jat because it wasn't happening. So did you and Palmar. D2 irrelevant D3 irrelevant D4 you voted for jat (town flip), and Palmar voted for geript (town flip), I voted for you (unknown so far). So if anything, Palmar has the worst votes, and I have the best ones. If you consider what the goal of the game as town is, at least. But of course it means nothing if you pull the "Ceph doublebus card" and think Palmar is just a shit townie (which he according to himself, is not at all, but he has only voted for townies outside of the free scum lynch and marv rolling over?) I'd like to point out that you were considering that jat would doublebus as well, when he claimed he sure as hell wouldn't do that. Now apply the same logic on me, except that I ALSO voted for Wile D1. Like if I'm scum, do you honestly think my aim is to eliminate my own team as the first thing in the game? | ||
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Damdred
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Damdred
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2) Voting logic has very little to do with who you vote initially. 3) When we tlak about this generally we are talking about how wagons form break down, motivations behind this. 4) Tbh your push on Marv really doesn't match up to a bus, as the case/push comes when he's already being lynched but light oushes. You do push wile but jump off rather early to an extent. Just with how the wagon on you disintegrated and mafia moved to moosey is a reason to say just based off d1 voting you could be scum | ||
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ritoky
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ritoky
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ritoky
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On September 28 2015 13:50 Damdred wrote: Don't make me beat you rit with why I'm town cause you better then that oh baby, you know i like it when you beat me. | ||
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Damdred
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Its towny of you to come in and push Wiley over moosey at that juncture. Geript and jat move there vote to you giving you 4 to mooseys 3 Rit votes moose making it 4-4 with jat having three. At this point you (ceroh) are going to be lynched due to being at 4 first. Marv unvotes Movement to Jat Marv moves to moosey. Moosey is lynched 5-4-3 or something close to that. it brings up the question why should Marv care as scum to move his vote in that situation if all three are town. No mafia up for lynch he's on his way home from work no reprucussions. But he decides to unvote soon as moosey gets tied (roughly) it just suggests that there is a mafia up for lunch. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
Players that moved off me at some point: Koshi (town), marv (scum), palmar (???) So.... if Palmar is scum, that means I can't be scum, and there were two scum trying to get me killed at first. If I am scum, it means that in the most convoluted scenario ever, marv (with absolutely no fucking thread presence at all) moved off me and alone caused me to not get lynched? Like no, just no. I'm not even going to bother to argue this further. As for initially voting not mattering, maybe it doesn't for those players that use it as a tool of pressure and change it 5 times during D1. Go look at how many times I voted during D1. Yes, twice. On Wile, and changed only to jat towards end because Wile was not happening and I still considered jat an option back then. Like you can paint it to look bad all you want, but I'd appreciate if you'd try to be a bit more objective. As for the marv bus, sure it's not a bus, because trying to push marv at eod1 would've been a clusterfuck and caused even more chaos for the vote, which is such a fucking townie thing to do. D2 = Irrelevant. D3, I wasn't around earlier and posted my shit anyway when I could have just not done that. And during the whole game since I called out marv, I kept mentioning "I still want to lynch marv", when you kept asking me. But sure, not a bus at all. Especially because I pushed SO FUCKING MANY TOWNIES MEANWHILE. Like just please, think about it for one second. It's not that hard to grasp. | ||
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ritoky
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Damdred
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And idk why that's so convulted to you that Marv would move off of scum partner to let a towng get lynched? Its pretty basic stuff. I'm not painting anything bad these are objective facts and what happened around lynch. Its curious as its the only day votes that matter so much. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
Fucking mvp scumduo, having a contest who gets the other killed? Especially continuing to do so after Wile is dead? I'm really starting to get frustrated with your line of thought here, sorry. | ||
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Damdred
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The vote logic does point to you scum, yes it is true Marv does lightly oush you d2 when he is active dropping your name and mentioning you. But its far less often than it was during d1 and a few posts when someone brings you up first. But he dies say he would lynch you over me as well so that is a point in your favor as it looks like setting up two mislynches to a point as well. | ||
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Cephiro
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ritoky
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Palmar
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Palmar
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On September 28 2015 09:36 Cephiro wrote: Palmar PoV: He ignored me trying to convince him yesterday to some extent. I'm not saying he didn't provide any reasoning for doing so, but it wasn't as solid as it could've been, and left me with a feeling of "I'm just going to do what I want / what I need", rather than "I listened to you but I just don't agree enough to follow your suggestion" I didn't ignore you, I just didn't think you had particularly good points. Also, there's some disconnect in this entire post. If you're mad at me for not sheeping you on damdred yesterday because your case was so much stronger than mine, how can you turn around today and talk about me being mafia being a possibily? Your job here should be to try to convince me that damdred is indeed mafia. If you think it's even possible I am mafia, your whole thing about damdred case being strong enough to berate me for not sheeping it is phony, and if your case was that strong, your current tinfoil suspicion of me is phony. Also, you got one thing right, I did "what I want". Of course I did. I kinda want to point out that if I was mafia, I'd have been 100% fine with "letting" you win the argument, lynching damdred, and then calling everyone bad while tunneling geript today. It's super easy if I am mafia. On September 28 2015 09:36 Cephiro wrote: What makes me especially suspect this is the fact that even yesterday, he didn't really properly disagree with my case, but he still seemed fairly defensive of Damdred. And the first thing he does today is point out that I need to get killed "but I'll look into filters just in case". With the amount of reasoning he's provided for me as mafia, I'm calling complete bullshit on going through filters and just naming me for the sake of naming me. Whether that's a town palmar not giving a fuck or scum Palmar rolling with agenda, I'm not entirely sure. I did disagree with your case, this is straight up false. I looked at the same evidence and said damdred was town. I especially pointed out two parts of the case (the wile townread and damdred's play on that day). I am going to go through the filters, I don't know what you mean by "with the amount of reasoning he's provided for me as mafia", but in reality I have very little reason to call you mafia. Mostly the fact you've been afk/background for huge parts of the game. That's precisely why I am going to read the filters. You are mafia at the moment because of poe. I think damdred is town and I know ritoky is confirmed. On September 28 2015 09:36 Cephiro wrote: The thing is, there aren't really many logical holes in his play, because he hasn't heavily committed to anything. He's around to give his opinion, ask something a bit on so on, but at no point has he had to take extremely firm stances toward anything, nor has he been pushed for it because his play on a general level has still seemed town-like even without extreme committing. And the thing is, I can perfectly see this play coming from a scum Palmar, even if I do feel it's more likely to be a town Palmar. But there's nothing in his filter that makes me think "scum Palmar would never ever do this" either. Most of the game has been on autopilot. I took a stance against killing moosy on day 1. (although I tried to kill jat). I killed wile on day 2 I killed marv on day 3 I pushed for, and got my lynch, yesterday, even if it was wrong. On September 28 2015 09:36 Cephiro wrote: Also Palmar's reads have been shit this game, and while everyone has bad games and is very wrong every now and then, I wouldn't expect a player with his experience to be this wrong about so many players, given how many other players picked up on things he did not. I was right on rayn, koshi, ritoky. I was eventually right on jat (remember I decided to call him town when people were pushing him yesterday), I was right on marv, I was semi-right on scott (I never tried to lynch him). I was wrong on geript and onegu. I was right on moosy. I was wrong on wile. So depending on today I'm going to have like a 70% record of being right this game, so no. My reads have not been shit. | ||
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Palmar
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I don't know if that's actually legit. | ||
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Palmar
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I am curious now what those reasons were? | ||
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