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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
August 26 2015 11:01 GMT
#18
FUCK you're doing a firefly mafia and it's a newbie game -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
August 26 2015 11:02 GMT
#19
absolutely /in: Open, however if they are enough interested newbies, I'll give my spot to a newbie. I'm fucking close to being a newbie however so if I get the /in, a coach would be awesome.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 02 2015 08:06 GMT
#103
/confirm.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 05 2015 15:53 GMT
#584
Hello guys, just chiming in to say "yo I'm here". Currently reading up the thread, I got like 1-2 hours time as of now. Are there any questions directed to me in a direct way? Really willing to contribute here but I don't have much time until monday.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 06 2015 16:05 GMT
#914
Hey, just chiming in again, having read up until page 17 at least. I'm really way too tired to do serious work now.

However I'm bringing this up:

On September 06 2015 01:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On September 06 2015 00:53 boxerfred wrote:
Hello guys, just chiming in to say "yo I'm here". Currently reading up the thread, I got like 1-2 hours time as of now. Are there any questions directed to me in a direct way? Really willing to contribute here but I don't have much time until monday.

there's no way to read you when you've literally done nothing so far. but i am interested in knowing what your thoughts on CopCake and n00bKing are.


I think the best thing for me to do right now is to try to appear townie and pretty much try to not get policy lynched. As far as I've read, n00bKing appears to not contribute a thing, asking questions that are not related to anything important or even useful. Feels like a lot of fluff to appear active.

Skimming through CopCake's filter, I just see some hard to read posts and pressure on n00bKing, not too much evidence being brought up, just a vote. Nothing substantial although it feels like there's a high grade of activity (his filter is like 10% of the overall game by now) and she's also trying to argue and explain - so I probably wouldn't give it a scum lean.

However I'll take some more time and try to catch up, I'll probably be around EoD. No guarantee on that though, I'm tired as fuck and also ill, chilling with my laptop in my awesome bed.

I also want to say something about rayn: I shadowed him in one of the last games where he was town. He told me quite a lot about how he plays as town and there are some points that he told me that really hit this game: 1. he said he sucked at convincing people, and 2. he said he'd sometimes get really mad about other people. I think rayn is town.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 06 2015 16:38 GMT
#920
On September 07 2015 01:10 Fidei86 wrote:
So BF, hearing his name get mentioned as a possible policy lynch, enters the thread and basically gets on board with the n00b and the Cake wagons, then calls Rayn town for meta reasons.

His reasoning against n00b is not convincing. Whatever else you think of n00b (and I've said plenty), he hasn't shied away from dealing with specific issues. I've already said at length that I think there are issues with n00b's play, but I just think his overall play style makes more sense from a town perspective.

So we've got two wagons that I think are probably town, and BF is happy with both? I think we'd be better off lynching BF.

You do realize I've read until 17 only and didn't vote, right? I answered a question that was raised towards me. Tryhard?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 06 2015 16:52 GMT
#924
On September 07 2015 01:46 Fidei86 wrote:
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On September 07 2015 01:38 boxerfred wrote:
On September 07 2015 01:10 Fidei86 wrote:
So BF, hearing his name get mentioned as a possible policy lynch, enters the thread and basically gets on board with the n00b and the Cake wagons, then calls Rayn town for meta reasons.

His reasoning against n00b is not convincing. Whatever else you think of n00b (and I've said plenty), he hasn't shied away from dealing with specific issues. I've already said at length that I think there are issues with n00b's play, but I just think his overall play style makes more sense from a town perspective.

So we've got two wagons that I think are probably town, and BF is happy with both? I think we'd be better off lynching BF.

You do realize I've read until 17 only and didn't vote, right? I answered a question that was raised towards me. Tryhard?

I always try hard.

I don't buy your explanation though. n00b has been playing the same the whole way through. I really have issues with it, but whatever else it is it really isn't lacking specificity.

I think you're Mafia. I think you're hedging on the two lynch wagons so you can jump on whichever later and look good in the process. I think town finds the time over the last day and a half to actually read the thread (page 17 is what, 7 pages of game filter?).

I need to come out of posting view now to see which questions you're talking about, because if they're after p17 then that only makes me more skeptical.

You come to that conclusion after 2 posts that I made?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 06 2015 17:06 GMT
#926
On September 07 2015 01:10 Fidei86 wrote:
So BF, hearing his name get mentioned as a possible policy lynch, enters the thread and basically gets on board with the n00b and the Cake wagons, then calls Rayn town for meta reasons.

His reasoning against n00b is not convincing. Whatever else you think of n00b (and I've said plenty), he hasn't shied away from dealing with specific issues. I've already said at length that I think there are issues with n00b's play, but I just think his overall play style makes more sense from a town perspective.

So we've got two wagons that I think are probably town, and BF is happy with both? I think we'd be better off lynching BF.

Erm also I want to clarify: I'm not happy with a Cake lynch. How do you come to this? I clearly say that I don't give a scum lean!
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 06 2015 18:46 GMT
#950
On September 07 2015 03:24 yamato77 wrote:
On BF: I've seen him play low-activity catch-up mode as town before and I don't hate the things he's posting. Not the best lynch by any means.

That's true, see Gaiden where I was policy lynched due to RL issues and had low activity. Same here. I'm fine with a n00bking lynch, not with a cake lynch. I don't like fideis efforts and townread rayn. So much for me as of now.

##vote n00bKing
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 06 2015 21:34 GMT
#1124
On September 07 2015 03:49 yamato77 wrote:
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On September 07 2015 03:46 boxerfred wrote:
On September 07 2015 03:24 yamato77 wrote:
On BF: I've seen him play low-activity catch-up mode as town before and I don't hate the things he's posting. Not the best lynch by any means.

That's true, see Gaiden where I was policy lynched due to RL issues and had low activity. Same here. I'm fine with a n00bking lynch, not with a cake lynch. I don't like fideis efforts and townread rayn. So much for me as of now.

##vote n00bKing

I wish you'd read the part where I said I didn't want to lynch noobking anymore.

Why? No way I'm reading up right now.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 06 2015 21:55 GMT
#1163
Since I still haven't read through, I'll follow rayn since I'm really sure he's town given what he explained to me how he plays when I shadowed him.

so here's all I got:

rayn town
n00bking scum lean
gb no idea
copcake slight town lean
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 06 2015 21:58 GMT
#1169
Also I think a good idea is to check what fidei thinks about noobking and copcake, given he jumped on me as soon as I entered the thread. Not a thing to consider right now, however it shouldn't fall off the radar.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 06 2015 22:00 GMT
#1176
Oh wait, if EoD is in half an hour, I'll go to bed now. Way too tired + sick.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 06 2015 22:05 GMT
#1185
so ##vote GlowingBear since I said I'd follow rayn. gnite everyone.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 07 2015 09:56 GMT
#1354
It's strange with fidei. I mean, I went through his filter and what struck out to me is that while his reads make sense and do progress and stay conclusive and on point, his votes don't.

Fidei talks a lot about n00bKing and a bit less about MoosyDoosy day 1. He clearly got his focus on these two players so he should be happy with the n00bKing wagon once it went off. However as soon as I entered the thread, fidei thought it would be a great thing to vote for me, based off literally one post I made which basically said "Hey guys, I'm here, I'm not inactive". I get that someone would vote me as long as I'm not there (policy) but why would you vote for an afk lurker as soon as he returns? This is like the first thing I don't understand about fidei. Next up, in the middle of EoD drama, he jumps off the GB wagon, sets his vote on someone completely irrelevant, then gets back on the next wagon which is kinda safe to vote with.

I understand that he's not voting GB. I understand that he jumps in n00bKings face. I don't understand why he voted how he voted. I'm trying to figure out if that is scum indicative or paranoid town indicative.

Diving into the filter a second time, there's this:

On September 06 2015 08:54 Fidei86 wrote:
Can I ask you a question - what is your read on Yamato? He seems to think that you are hard town reading each other. Are you? If you are reading him town, why?


Well, there was 0 follow up on this. Zero. What is the point of these questions then?

Also, this:

+ Show Spoiler [full post] +

On September 06 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote:
It seems to me like the most important event today so far is the shit-fight between rayn and n00b. Rayn looks pretty obviously town to me. This is exactly the same as his town meta in voice-mafia, he tries to lead the discussion right from the front, ask questions, point things out and generally just be loud. I do think that a couple of his pushes have been a little questionable - the whole Breshke "yamato/rayn magic" thing was blown waaaaay out of proportion, and I think people were right to point this out. But, yeah, that's what I would have expected from town rayn.

I hate n00b's style of posting, because there's really no reason to be so rude. I get it, you think that you're better than us all. That's fine, you might well be. But you can't honestly be surprised to find people don't like arrogant, superior people. And you're doing both in spades. If you're town, you're just digging your own grave at the moment.

The post I most disliked from n00bking was #801. I think it's worth me quoting it in full:

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On September 06 2015 07:47 n00bKing wrote:
On September 06 2015 07:24 NocturneMage wrote:
Reading n00bking right now. Not liking what I see so far. I know he ranted about skill level of the site in the newbie I played and the one before that so I am ignoring that. But 278, 311 and 329, those posts I really don't like. 329, he's pushing rayn on semantics, doesn't have to be a case, all that matters is that he's calling rayn's points bullshit.

The importance of the distinction between calling rayn's points bullshit and making a case for why he should be lynched cannot be overstated. You're right, "all that matters" is that rayn's points were being called bullshit (and they were bullshit). rayn mislabeled it as being something else, so I corrected him. Just as I corrected him when he tried to pretend I had said at some point that he is Scum.


I'm sitting here reading this post, and I just keep asking myself "why does a town n00b make this post?". The only reason to call people's posts bad, without following with a read on the poster, is if you're trying to stop momentum on a wagon you think is wrong. Otherwise, you're just soft-scumming the poster. I would say probably half of n00b's filter up to now is his fight with rayn. And through all of that, he hasn't actually formed a read on him yet? How does that even make sense? If n00b is town, I don't get why he essentially causes the entirety of d1 to be about his fight with rayn, someone he doesn't even seem to have a scum read on ???

n00b is a scum-read for now.

That said, there are a ton of other interesting things about this fight that are worth pondering. Yamato's thread is one I think is worth parsing a little more. He again seems to have been swept up in the fight, and is taking lots of swings at n00b. I've spent a fair amount of time talking to Yamato on TS, and I would say off the bat that his posts sound like him. But at the same time, he's a strong player and his absolute focus on n00b this early seems a little off. I'm also not sure that his post #598 makes a ton of sense. Rayn's read on Yamato is flimsy, at best. Even rayn would surely have to admit that trying to discern someone's alignment from how excited they are in their first post is pretty difficult. For two people who only know each other over the internet, it would be basically impossible. So why is yamato so keen to emphasise that he and rayn are hard town-reading each other?

I think I will read Moosy and GB's filters, then head to bed. Any questions, fire away in the meantime.


n00b is a scum-read for now.


He's contradicting himself there:

On September 07 2015 07:52 Fidei86 wrote:
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On September 07 2015 07:50 Superbia wrote:
On September 07 2015 07:48 Fidei86 wrote:
On September 07 2015 07:44 Superbia wrote:
Also Fidei86's switch to some random wagon was pretty scummy.

What, because I didn't want to be on the n00b wagon? Meh. I'm not sure that GB's claim left town much choice, and I should have gone straight to n00b, but only because I liked him less than Cake, not because I thought he was Mafia.


Nah, because you should be switching to save the doctor. At 10m before EoD you chose to believe the claim and switched. Which means you wanted to save the doctor. But you go on some wagon no one is on. Makes me feel like "hey guys at least I switched lol". IDK.

All I can say is that I'd been town-reading Cake and NK all day, basically, and I really didn't want to vote for either. You're right, I had to, but I was stubborn at first. Not much more I can say about it really.


On September 07 2015 17:27 Fidei86 wrote:
@Breshke I've already explained this - I was town reading n00b and Cake all day, and I didn't want to vote for either. I moved to n00b because I needed to choose one of the wagons other than GB. I was just being stubborn in not moving to n00b straight away. *shrug* idk what my Mafia motivation would be to not move to n00b (town) straight away, but then I guess I would say that.


Concluding, there are some major flaws in Fidei's gameplay.

1. He does not push his votes.
2. He votes for people that he townread "basically all day"
3. He heavily contradicts himself in terms of his scum/townreads which is quite strange since, well, in the end he voted his town read.

So I strongly suggest to look into Fidei in the context of the first 40 pages or so (which I still didn't manage to read up completely ffs).
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 07 2015 09:57 GMT
#1355
Also, starting from now, I'll be able to put some more efforts in to the game .
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 07 2015 10:33 GMT
#1357
@BF
The post you're quoting from is basically my first substantive contribution of the game. After I made that post, I made the one I quote above, where I said that, on reflection, I thought n00b was town. That was my thought/read progression. I suppose you could say that it wasn't true that I had been town reading him *all day*, but I thought that was a fair enough reflection of my thought pattern, and was quicker than saying "well I did think he was initially scum, but then I thought he was town relatively early on and then I maintained that thought through EOD".

Hm I'm not sure if that weakens my concern. I understand that you'd say once "all day" but you said it like 2 or 3 times, stressing it out quite a bit. That made me mention it in the first place tbh. Also I don't understand how you'd progress from scum to town to vote, although you did it exactly that way.

Now I will admit that I didn't strongly push my scum read on you, or on MD, but regarding you it quickly became clear that (i) nobody really agreed with my read on you, and (ii) people weren't going to move off n00b/Cake anyway. In those circumstances, it would have been a waste of time to keep pushing you.

This is were I disagree. Considering (i), I think that it wasn't that people necessarily disagreed but more that people simply didn't care (which tbh I liked since there was no way I would have been more active than I was yesterday. I'm still sick, however I'm at least awake). You could've brought that topic back up to attention during the day, even during EoD, especially if your town read is under lynch pressure. Regarding (ii), this is wrong - as a fact, people moved to GB, proving your example wrong already. When that happened, you moved from the main wagons to a completely unimportant vote. That doesn't make sense, especially since you say now that you couldn't see other wagons than the two mentioned.

I mean okay, your switch to MD makes sense because while it looks like coming out of nowhere, your filter actually contains quite a lot of stuff on MD. Okay, granted.

I'm actually willing to let go of the pressure that I inititually put on you. Keep in mind that while I wrote a lot on you, I didn't come down to say that you're totally scummy. In fact i don't think you're totally scummy. But what strikes me is that, as said and as elaborated before, your vote behaviour is quite inconistent.

I really like your answer although I disagree. Does that make sense?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 08 2015 07:24 GMT
#1579
Read up. Heading to work. Note: rayn made a subtle hint why he claimed which contradicts Glowingbears reason why rayn claimed. Ill elaborate but am on mobile as of now which sucks. More to come over next hours. Question for rayn: why do u say at night that gb will be sorted out anyways and then instavote him after eon?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 08 2015 07:54 GMT
#1580
MD's case on Copcake feels like a random bunch of quotes that somehow fit the theory. I wish there was more explanation in context, more details and not just "Hypothesis - Quotes that prove it" material. I don't like the case because it doesn't show any thought process or has a conclusion (besides the obvious "COPCAKE IS SCUM") stuff. So no, I'm not willing to look into that case especially since I feel like MoosyDoosy has shown a tendency of jumping in the thread, talking about the currently up to date topic and then leaving again. This kind of drive-by posting doesn't reveal many efforts.

I'm scum-leaning MoosyDoosy for now, also for his full-mouthy "I LEAD TOWN NOW". There's literally nothing that MD has done that would make me accept him as the town leader. No way.

Let's come to Rayn now. As I said previously - during the night, Rayn explains where he locates scum and why the "GB issue will sort itself out" (freely quoted). However right after the night post, Rayn votes for GB. I don't understand that and I really want Rayn to explain why since this is is like the only flaw I see in his (town) play so far.

Next up: I'm with scott in terms of "Wait, GB should now that rayn's doctor claim is wrong because GB is the doctor. Right?"

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 08 2015 08:28 GlowingBear wrote:
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On September 08 2015 08:23 scott31337 wrote:
On September 08 2015 08:13 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 08 2015 08:11 CopCake wrote:
On September 08 2015 08:09 Fidei86 wrote:
o.O

Okay, well that makes d2 a little more ... interesting. Easier too!

It's not really a hard decision for me here. I see no reason for a scum rayn to CC. We're not likely to lynch him this turn, and it's waaaaaay too early for him to be using the CC to try and save his mafia allies. It's just way to sub-optimal.

Also, rayn's rage, while kind of ... you know ... cluttering ... makes sense from what I read of his meta.

His switch off GB right at the end is a little bit suspect - if he is actually the cop then why move your vote? But maybe he figured that if he stayed on it then he would out himself as the cop? IDK. I think if I'm in his position then I probably just stay on GB. But, it's not like this game has been played optimally so far.

It's gotta be GB boys.

##Vote: Glowing Bear


Dude, which game are you playing?

Rayn claimed doctor


His claim is obviously fake. It's clearly out of rage, wether it's forced or not.


It should be 100% fake to you, you'd be the one to know.

Very interesting wording here.

[image loading]


It is fake. I'm trying to say it under Fidei's perspective. He should KNOW Rayn's claim is fake even if I didn't claim


I believe this.

On September 08 2015 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 08 2015 09:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 08 2015 09:24 Superbia wrote:
I'm here. Moosydoosy what do you make of the claims?

rayn counterclaims because he's angry and thinks gb is bad at the game.
i still think gb claim is BS.

fuck you i literally counter claimed because GB claimed my role and is not a doctor.
If GB flips town doctor you lynch me the next day.
It is simple as that.

And you don't think neither of us is mafia which automatically makes you scum.


Contrary to here:

On September 08 2015 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 07:49 GlowingBear wrote:
I was roleblocked. I tried to save yamato.

##vote: rayn

You're mafia.

you are terrible.
i will not play a fucking game with you NEVER more.
NEVER.

you are so bad at this game. so... so... so.. bad.

unless you are mafia.
I have had enough.
afk.

##unvote
##vote: GlowingBear


this is how far i got without getting mad.
my vote will not change, ever in this game.
so you better lynch me or GlowingBear. I will not give any fucking fucks what he flips and i hope he never talks to me any more.


So rayn goes like "GB is either the worst fucking townie ever or he is scum", then goes with a CC and says that it's not a raged fake CC but a real one. Do you guys see where I'm going with this? Why would rayn say 'he's maybe the worst townie ever' if he is doctor and absolutely knows that it's a fakeclaim? The only logical answer to that is "Well, if GB fakeclaimed as a VT to advert his lynch, then he's playing a pretty dumb town game". However the fact that GB really sticks to his version of "I am doctor" let's me think that it's all about rayn vs. gb this day (which sucks). Since I'm townreading rayn..

##vote GlowingBear

I'm totally fine with a MD lynch for what it's worth.
Also, I'm still not settled on Fidei but I'm kinda willing to take the "bad town" perspective. NocturneMage however seems to not care what's happening at all and instead does some "filter diving" with mediocre results. Scum lean until something great emerges. As for Slam - can't read the guy, lazy/in-understandable posting, wouldn't recommend for a newbie game anytime soon. Would lynch since I have no idea what alignment he is.

My town trifecta would be rayn, scott and me.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 08 2015 07:59 GMT
#1581
EBWOP: "I don't believe this" under the spoilered quote. After all, I'm with scott in terms of wording.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 08 2015 08:01 GMT
#1582
Oh and I want town rayn to stop raging that hard and be constructive again. I expect you to do shit, get scum today and get shot N2 as top town, rayn. #yolo
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 08 2015 08:22 GMT
#1585
"I've got to say I found your post on Rayn v GB unconvincing. You said that you believe GB's case on me (which is basically "how could he believe Rayn?"), and that you think there is a flaw in rayn's argument, but that you still want to vote GB because you're town reading Rayn?"

I believe GB's case on you? Where is GB's case on you? Where do I believe it? Oo

And no, I'm not saying there's a flaw in rayn's argument. I'm just saying "that's the scenario it has to be, if it's not this, he's lieing."

Scott is in my town circle for his general posting and ideas that he has. He appears townie to me. Especially the wording issue on GB stood out as a townie thought.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 08 2015 08:24 GMT
#1586
On September 08 2015 17:22 Fidei86 wrote:
GB's flip will assist, but on the proviso that he flips Mafia, I think Bresh is the most likely town (other than Rayn). He was continuing to disbelieve GB's claim and was pushing his lynch before rayn's claim. That is a ton more convincing than anything Scott has done, as far as I can see.

I get that argumentation. But consider this: Breshke says "Lynch GB!" then GB claims doctor, Breshke says "Lynch GB!" without considering anything else, not even asking questions. I mean he was willing into the un-CC'ed doctor, right? That's not too town indicative so I strongly disagree with your point of saying "Bresh more town than Rayn". Breshke is a null for me currently.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 08 2015 08:45 GMT
#1590
Fidei seriously start stepping it up. You're active but you have so many mis-calls, misreading stuff over and over, arguing really bad - I really didn't like your "rayn's claim is real" stuff especially since you argued so try-hard "I'm naive and instabelieve it". Sorry, I think before the post that I quoted, there was no way to know that it's a true CC. Only way to know that it's a real CC is if you'd be scum and GlowingBear would be your ally.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 08 2015 08:46 GMT
#1591
On September 08 2015 17:45 Fidei86 wrote:
Ok I think you might be mis-remembering because Breshke wasn't ever on the GB wagon. He claims to have been sleeping, and his vote was on Slam through EOD.

But that actually changes my view somewhat - I'd also thought he was on the GB wagon for some reason. In the circumstances where GB already fake claims, mafia Bresh would have nothing to lose by pressuring him, especially because it was reasonable to assume town would not lynch into him without a CC. So, yeah. Bresh loses his town Jesus cred for now.

Ah this is true. Was it Slam then who was all the way on GB and still wanted to go after him without any reonsideration? :/
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 08 2015 18:50 GMT
#1660
On September 09 2015 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
N1 there are only three plausible scenarios, from likeliest to unlikeliest:
1) GlowingBear is mafia and does not get shot
2) I doc GlowingBear (which i did) in case he is just a terrible townie saving his own skin from getting lynched by fakeclaiming -> noone dies -> GB is confirmed town
3) I die -> GB is confirmed mafia.

This is huge! I didn't even think of that. If rayn would've died and flipped Doc, GB would've been dead. Tbh I had rayn as the most likely target to go down and was really surprised when I saw yamato flip. I wondered why that was but I completely forgot about that since I looked into Fidei and was busy with the interactions with him.

So here we have it quite clearly. This is the setup (as was known before)

A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon

GB claims to have been roleblocked. However this is easy to do since there is no notification being sent ("Notifications: Roleblocks are not notified."). So the good thing is we have a confirmed scum in rayn vs. GB. The bad thing is that rayn was forced to claim and thus is most likely a dead Simon Tam.

Sidenote: this kind of clears me. I was afk for most of D1 and parked my vote on GB. When I realized EoD was later (not midnight but 0.30 AM) I went to bed, leaving my vote on GB who was the main wagon at this point! I'm as confirmed as it gets (or I have the biggest balls that mafia can have for hardcore yolo bussing).

Sidenote #2: Where is Breshke?

Sidenote #3:

Is the spoilered vote count correct? I don't remember Fidei being so early on n00bking.

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On September 07 2015 07:35 rsoultin wrote:
Final Day 1 Votecount


n00bking (7): Superbia, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, yamato77, scott31337, GlowingBear, Alakaslam
copcake (2): moosydoosy, nocturnemage
GlowingBear (2): boxerfred, n00bking
Alakaslam (1): Breshke
scott31337 (1): CopCake

Not Voting (0):

Currently, n00bking was jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes.

boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 08 2015 20:55 GMT
#1684
Okay, so ignore sidenote #3. I'm dumb, it says in the op that hosts should be PM'ed. I did not receive an answer to that besides "look it up". I'm lazy though.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 09 2015 09:47 GMT
#1744
I won't have much time for today, close to none. I think lynching between GB and rayn will give us one scum, the Doctor is lost either way then. I don't like trading Doctor for one scum member if it's not for RB or GF. So yeah.

That's my logic. So whoever is not fine with a GB lynch will have to heavily explain why. That would be MoosyDoosy who I think is scum anyways. Also, Superbia didn't cast his vote so far although being in the thread and making long posts. While I have a slight scum lean on Fidei and pushed in that direction, I actually re-thought a bit and I feel like Fidei is not the lynch for the next days. I really wanna see GB + MD flip before I lynch someone else.

Thing is I did not look heavily into MoosyDoosy thus far. However since my time to play the game is really limited, I think I'll set "Looking into MD" as a top priority.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 09 2015 14:07 GMT
#1747
On September 09 2015 22:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2015 18:47 boxerfred wrote:
I won't have much time for today, close to none. I think lynching between GB and rayn will give us one scum, the Doctor is lost either way then. I don't like trading Doctor for one scum member if it's not for RB or GF. So yeah.

That's my logic. So whoever is not fine with a GB lynch will have to heavily explain why. That would be MoosyDoosy who I think is scum anyways. Also, Superbia didn't cast his vote so far although being in the thread and making long posts. While I have a slight scum lean on Fidei and pushed in that direction, I actually re-thought a bit and I feel like Fidei is not the lynch for the next days. I really wanna see GB + MD flip before I lynch someone else.

Thing is I did not look heavily into MoosyDoosy thus far. However since my time to play the game is really limited, I think I'll set "Looking into MD" as a top priority.

...
"MoosyDoosy is scum but I actually haven't looked at him closely. But I still want to lynch him. By the way I'll be really busy so I'll just say that looking into him is a top priority but I still want to lynch him."

You've been accusing me all game of doing drive-by posts when I've actually been questioning people as one of the most active posters?? You're the one doing drive-by posts here l0l.

I've not been accusing you, I've been saying my stance towards you rather loudly and I'm clearly saying what I am next up to. I have not voted for you once. You just read that I want to look into you, so if you're town, do you have anything to fear?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 09 2015 16:48 GMT
#1756
On September 09 2015 23:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Boxerfred doing the same textbook scum game with Moosy

Care to explain?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 09 2015 22:43 GMT
#1781
that's a shit flip. we're losing the doctor for the goon.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 10 2015 22:25 GMT
#1942
Caught up. Fine with a MD lynch. I'm basically sheeping Rayn on MD/Superbia as top lynches.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 11 2015 00:01 GMT
#2022
hahahahahaha rayn wtf, ballsiest move I've seen in a mafia game. I was so sure that this would cost us the doc and I hated exchanging goon for doc.


Dang there's work to do however. Why was MD so sure about his read on rayn? There was no way he could possibly know that rayn is not doc EXCEPT he'd know the setup and he'd know that there is no doc involved. I'm not too sure if that makes sense, it relies on GB giving a fake hint which would be risky as fuck since a CC outside of the setup would've been much more believable than a pure doc cc however.

I'm down to a superbia and a MD lynch, still. however all I did all night was lurk and catch up. Another 2 days for me to actually do work.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 11 2015 08:33 GMT
#2079
On September 05 2015 08:39 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2015 08:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote:
Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.

keep it simple.
if you can get a 50-50 chance of lynching mafia on D1 by outing one blue role you should ALWAYS take is in any game.


I think he might do this as town though.

In addition I will say this. Do not believe GB is the vigi today. Evaluate him like any other. Do not give him a pass whatsoever.

This is from D1 after GlowingBears claim. This post is an answer to rayn who hit the truth in his "claiming vig D1 is a great thing to call out a town role, get a blue kill in exchange for the goon." (though rayn couldn't know that GB is the goon at that point. This post is strange in many ways. Superbia thinks GB might do a (serious!) vigi claim at the very beginning of D1. To me, claiming blue D1 is like the stupidest thing you can do if you truely are a blue. How does Superbia come to that conclusion? The bolded part contradicts the initial meaning of the post ("nah guys GB is stupid not scum") however. It's 100% wishywashy.

Also, the initial post (the quote in the quote) - why is Superbia disliking rayn for his reaction to GB? He should be disliking GB for the initial blue shenanigans. This post really feels like it's coming from someone who has to hide something.

Time for the tinfoil hat:

On September 05 2015 07:33 Superbia wrote:
Counterclaim.

What if that was a serious response to a claim that Superbia thought was real? Also, WHY did GB claim Vigi if he DID know about the setup? This makes me feel really (really!) unsure if there is indeed a doctor in. We have two people D1 (GB, Superbia) that are willing to think that there is a Vigi in. However, GB claimed Doctor and Rayn claimed Doctor. There was NO counterclaim up to this point, keep that in mind guys!

We have two setup slips from GB (Vigi, Doc) and we do not know which one is true.
Out of this, I extract two scenarios.

a) Doctor setup. Superbia's CC to GB was pure bullshit, making him look townie.
b) Vigi setup. Superbia's CC to GB was the truth, making him, well, look townie.
c) Vigi + Doc claim was absolutely bullshit (which is the unlikeliest to me)

I'm kinda surprised that I come to this conclusion.
I'll continue with the setup before going back to Superbia:

Vigi setup feels the most likely to me TBH. 2/3 goons in scum - that means the chance that GB would flip scum as goon is higher than in any other setup. Also, we have no DOCTOR counter claimed except the rayn yolo, which was risky but great however it was not a Doctor. Basically, ANY rule could've counterclaimed the doctor that is Vigi, Veteran or Jailkeeper. So GB's claim EoD1 could have played out awesome for scum, ESPECIALLY in Setup B (1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons). Mafia would've exchanged a simple goon with a strong town blue, potentially Jailkeeper. I think at this point I have a pretty good theory who another blue role is but I won't tell since I don't want the guy to get killed.

Okay, back to Superbia. As I said above - the behaviour from this post is conclusively townie. Maybe my logic is flawed somewhere, somehow, so please test the waters. Another point that makes Superbia look townie D1 is that he instantly jumped on GB's claim - why would a fellow scum member do this given that he'd know GB's plan of outing a blue? It doesn't make sense.

On September 06 2015 05:37 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2015 05:32 NocturneMage wrote:
On September 06 2015 05:05 Superbia wrote:
Also hi replacement.


Hey everyone. Just started reading. If there is anything in particular I should pay attention to as I catch up, give me a shout.

Also RL related - I work in the ER so if I'm at work overnight and something pops up, I will be forced to suddenly disappear from the game. The coming week should not be too crazy hopefully.


1. Look at opening posts.
2. Look at rayn/yamato interaction.
3. GB (fake) claim.
4. Look at rayn/noobking interaction.
Following people:
- noobking
- copcake
- slam

Comments on them in near future pls.

Although noone brings up the claim after all D1, Superbia does so when NM enters the thread. This could be out of "yo maybe NM replaced a blue and GB's trick might work here" (which I don't think tbh - feels way to unrealistic) or is indeed a "look at this and tell me what you think". Genuine.

+ Show Spoiler +

On September 07 2015 03:35 Superbia wrote:
I'm here. Haven't read past few pages. Game kinda feels hard.

rayn/yamato still very town.
Stuck on moosy's alignment. Something feels off compared to previous game filters. Not sure what, still reading. His associative read triggered all sorts of re-evaluations.
Stuck on noobking's alignment. His post style feels different from his mafia post style. Planning on reading into his meta after moosy. Feels like moosy may have spewn him town if moosy is mafia. IDK
copcake tied into this. Also stuck on her alignment.
Don't know about slam/gb. Both seem very much on the sidelines.
bf superlurk. Last game he did this he was PR and got lynched d1 for it. To be honest, I think I may have the PRs down to a small circle already (of either mafia or PR) and he's not among them. Need to hear from people who have played with him.

So yeah. Still very much in the process of evaluation. Here for questions and talking if people are around. Specifically the 3 above. Very busy tabbing between game filters though. So don't expect a superquick response.

First kind of list post from Superbia. While he's not talking about GB in this, he puts a null/scum lean on MoosyDoosy. Which makes me feel like they have different alignments however I'm not too sure if that holds. Putting this in spoilers to not draw attention from the main parts of the post.


Here is more interaction from GB which makes Superbia change his read of scott from town. This looks important:
On September 07 2015 03:55 Superbia wrote:
Why is scott the lynch for you, GB?

On September 07 2015 04:04 Superbia wrote:
I had scott as town early but re-viewing his filter idk why.

GB can you flesh this out?

On September 07 2015 04:04 GlowingBear wrote:
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On September 07 2015 04:04 Superbia wrote:
I had scott as town early but re-viewing his filter idk why.

GB can you flesh this out?


Yes I can. I'm going to write a case once I get home.


And indeed, Superbia brings up GB's case on Scott:
On September 07 2015 05:50 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2015 05:36 GlowingBear wrote:
Superbia, I'm home but I'm not feeling well, so I'm not going to format it well so I can take a quick nap quicker:

On September 05 2015 09:15 scott31337 wrote:
On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:
On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote:
In which page the game started?


9

@rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role.

I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it.

On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:
On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote:
In which page the game started?


9

@rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role.

I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it.



A quote and so much talk from Breshke day 1 makes me wonder if he wants to try to change his ways - which for a D1 - townlean.

More Breshke walls of text -

GB smoking/drinking again - and follow his opposite

On September 05 2015 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 05 2015 08:12 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think GB is mafia here?

I don't care i stopped reading his posts.
I hope a vigilante shoots him.


Ok, you're mafia

##Vote: Rayn


Re-read Supers post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24820236- + Show Spoiler +

On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote:
I'm about to head off. Won't be around tomorrow until around this time. Some incoherent thoughts (pretty tired).

Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.

Curious to see what comes off rayn/yamato co-op stuff.

Initially disliked yamato's opening. After what rayn just said it's okay for now. Interested in rayn's follow up opinion.

Don't really like moosy I think. Especially the purposely random typing (different from pre-game). Also can't really find a reasoning behind his posts yet (might be bc I'm tired).

Dislike breshke who feels bitter in his latest post (mafia trait imo). Feels weird to see him admit to scummy-esque things. IDK what he's doing as either alignment. Have to see later.

GB is idk. Don't really care about the (fake) claim that much tbh.

Rest also IDK.

So yeah. Follow rayn for now probably. Don't claim blue though. No matter what he says. I'll see where you guys are at tomorrow.


Good information but I'm already blitzed.

N00bking's posts bad like last game.
He's my worst right now.

Rayn town
Yamato doing shit - town


This post may appear contributive at first glance but it's basically a summary of the thread at that point and reads accordingly to thread sentiment, bringing nothing new to the table. Why is Rayn town, why he is so quick to give yamato a townread like that? Why just saying I'm "drinking" again, discrediting me? It's a bunch of rehash with an attempt of looking contributive without actually contributing.

He then starts to post reads accordingly to his progression on the pages of thread, cluttering the thread with partial and outdated information he keeps further reevaluating instead of just giving his opinion on one big post. My problem with this is that he is again trying to look contributive while not actually being contributive. Worse. He is cluttering the thread just to show "look, I'm doing stuff!" instead of interacting and actually search for Mafia.

He is very bold when he gives reads. Calls Nocturne "town" with no back reqsoning when he was suspicious of mage's slot. He gives 3 names of people he thinks are Mafia and he could lynch (sayinf maybe I'm not Mafia an cake is) but posts this:

On September 06 2015 23:48 scott31337 wrote:
I could lynch boxer but it feels like policy really.


For someone who has 3-4 scumreads, this is extremely scummy. Why is he okay with boxer's lynch if he has THREE better targets and he even ADMITS boxer is only a policy?

I see no better lynch.


People's opinions on this?


At this point of filter diving, I have to say that Superbia's filter is full of oneliners, full of questions that lead to nowhere and don't do a thing. Not liking this at all. Also, he really likes GB's case on scott (this is one of the rare occasions where Superbia actually says his opinion). Here, he says it even multiple times:

On September 07 2015 05:53 Superbia wrote:
You guys really think GB's case is terrible?

On September 07 2015 05:58 Superbia wrote:
I think GB's view on scott is pretty okay.




On September 07 2015 06:01 Superbia wrote:
I'm actually pretty confused this d1. I usually have a direction I want to push the game, but rayn has kind of taken over the role I usually take in a game. Which leaves me stranded. I'm kind of okay with noobking getting lynched at this point and seeing where he flips takes us. Simply because I don't have any strong mafia reads. My gut would say moosy and go from there, but it may very well be wrong.

Scum read on Moosy, again (consistent!). However lateron, Slam calls Superbia out on his growing wishy-washyness:

On September 07 2015 06:16 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2015 06:07 Alakaslam wrote:
On September 07 2015 06:05 Superbia wrote:
On September 07 2015 06:05 Alakaslam wrote:
On September 07 2015 06:01 Superbia wrote:
I'm actually pretty confused this d1. I usually have a direction I want to push the game, but rayn has kind of taken over the role I usually take in a game. Which leaves me stranded. I'm kind of okay with noobking getting lynched at this point and seeing where he flips takes us. Simply because I don't have any strong mafia reads. My gut would say moosy and go from there, but it may very well be wrong.

:/

Please participate. No excuses.


How am I not participating? Why did your opinion change? You were fine calling me town a few hours ago.

You were making good points, now you are like "meh I am cool with a noobking lynch and see where that takes us"

NO! Who do you think is scum? You don't seem to be confident it is noobking. That post was just bad, I would scum read you for it outside your past flow.

Weigh in on stuff please


I don't fucking know at this point man. Gut says it's one between moosy or copcake. One between scott/GB. And maybe someone like you. But it could also easily be someone like noobking in there.

But here's the problem, noobking doesn't look like his mafia meta on this site, but the fact that he has played on other sites (and judging from what he's said, played a lot) makes me believe he can probably play mafia in multiple ways. So I don't know about noobking's alignment. He doesn't really seem to want to contribute at all, which doesn't help me at all.

Like the problem is that I'm stucking between worlds right now. And this is mostly caused by the fact that both rayn and yamato believe in a world which I don't really believe in right now. Like they both think copcake is town, and they both think scott is town. I think they're both town and decent/good players. This leaves me confused.

This is accurate. How big is the chance the scum!superbia would call out both of his team mates in one post (scott/gb vs. moosy/copcake)? This makes me feel he's town.

On September 07 2015 06:35 Superbia wrote:
I don't know about GB to be honest, but it's sort of mafia to go afk instead of participate in EoD discussion. I kind of liked what he had to say about scott in his case thingy. You guys disagree. You guys know more about GB-meta. I think I'm keeping my vote on noobking, but if we have a vigi I wouldn't be heartbroken about a GB shot so we can get that shit out of the way.

This is huge. Again that makes me feel Superbia is town.

I am now at his huge list post and will refer to this in a different post for the sake of readability.

tl;dr - I actually think Superbia is not a good lynch this day. He appears townie to me after I fully evaluated his filter.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 11 2015 08:39 GMT
#2080
For reference, the list post:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly?page=82#1628

I've read through and I can see where he comes from. I strongly suggest a MoosyDoosy lynch at this point. His behaviour last night/day was just shit. He's OMGUS'ing wherever he can. He has been scumread by Superbia and Fidei and Rayn and me. This feels like a good thing to start. I'm running out of time again so I have to do the work on MD later this day (however there are 24+ hours to go so I think I'll manage to do so. no promise though).

I'm here for another 30 minutes or so.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 11 2015 08:42 GMT
#2081
whoops, ebwop:

"ESPECIALLY in Setup B (1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons). Mafia would've exchanged a simple goon with a strong town blue, potentially Jailkeeper. I think at this point I have a pretty good theory who another blue role is but I won't tell since I don't want the guy to get killed."

this part is bullshit since in setup B, there is no JK. that makes the play still powerful though.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 11 2015 10:07 GMT
#2085
On September 11 2015 17:52 Fidei86 wrote:
@bf I'm really not convinced by your case, which seems to boil down to "Superbia said mean things about GB towards EOD but didn't change his vote".

Also, is your case on MD "three people are scum reading him"?

Thing is that this was supposed to be a case on Superbia however I come to the conclusion he's rather town. Not having the time to check MD yet. Still I suggest from what I've seen and from my gut that the guy is a decent lynch.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 11 2015 20:16 GMT
#2254
It's so fucking hard to keep up with that thread. The last ~5 pages were lots of bullshit about power roles that is a totally irrelevant discussion. Whatever one thinks who is a power role will only help scum if he talks about it. The whole PR stuff is pointless. How is that even perceived as a push?

Here is my stance on the game: I'm a low activity poster. I'm aware that it should be easy for scum to set me up for a mislynch based on this. Whenever I come in the thread, I have to read another 20 pages of spammy shit. It would be great if you guys could just get back on track and think about where to locate scum or where to lynch to gain as much information as possible.

We are in a situation where it's likely that mafia knows since D2 that they'll lose a member. Since they insta-shot rayn during the night, mafia were SURE that he's the doctor. Right? Right? That makes me feel like the kill itself was a scum slip in terms of the setup. The Doctor setup is likely as fuck. I talked about this already earlier.

So what is scum supposed to do (as a team)? They'll try to get a mislynch, they are in desperate need for that especially after rayn flipped VT and not blue. So I'm really interested in who pushes MD and why they do so. Especially if MD is indeed lynched and flips green. At this point I don't think town can come further by evaluating people on scummy behavior but moreso by evaluating people in terms of town indications. It's one way to find indicators for scum alignment to win the game. Another way is to find indicators of town alignment on everyone else. We followed the first way and it got us GB, cool, great! However I think while we should not abandon that completely, we should consider focussing more on town reads.

At this point, I have the following town reads:

- scott (even forgot why, need to check, however don't have the time)
- superbia (reasons stated in my huge case)
- Alakaslam. What i remember the most of him is a) his spammy/hard to read playstyle, b) some posts where he points out scummy behaviour of me. since there was no follow up on this, I think it's a town indication. Also he was continuesly willing to hammer GB.

Followed by my null reads:

- Breshke. Not remembering anything in particular, however he got in a shitflinging discussion with Superbia, derailing shit. Cool - not.
- Fidei. Pointed out some scum indicators in his play, he answered genuinely. I think he's not doing enough for town to actually be labeled a townie. Seems more interested in defending/surviving than in actually finding scum. Needs to step up.
- CopCake. Don't remember particularly much. Hard to read. Voted with the main wagons.
- MoosyDoosy. Need to look into more. I think his flip would give us a lot of information, however it might easily be a mislynch for scum. Good thing would be to stop pressuring him but instead give him some breathing room and let him do town work. Especially his last posts feel a lot like frustrated town. Can't tell.
- NocturneMage. Where is this guy?

Yes, I don't have scumreads, yolo. Would lynch between MD/NM since Breshke is at least here.


boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 11 2015 20:17 GMT
#2255
EBWOP: I think now you guys know why I think you should consider going for town reads instead of scum reads. I don't have any strong scum reads. :/
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 11 2015 20:19 GMT
#2256
EBWOP #2, I write this:

"Alakaslam. What i remember the most of him is a) his spammy/hard to read playstyle, b) some posts where he points out scummy behaviour of me. since there was no follow up on this, I think it's a town indication. Also he was continuesly willing to hammer GB."

I think in this case, the "no follow-up" thing is a town indication because a follow-up would have been the try to set me up for a mislynch in the aftermath of the rayn vs. gb drama.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 11 2015 20:24 GMT
#2258
On September 12 2015 05:20 CopCake wrote:
Boxfred why do you want more town reads than mafia reads?

To find 2 out of 10, you can search until you find 2, or you can search until you know 8 are good people. Two ways to find scum. Combining both is the way to go, however I feel like the first way (evaluating people on scum indicators or missing town indicators only) is insufficient.

I feel like there is a lot of spammy discussions instead of decent scumhunting going on.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 12 2015 17:29 GMT
#2325
Received a voting reminder. Gonna go for MD. Don't have time to do evaluate anything.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 12 2015 23:34 GMT
#2687
GG's guys. Sorry for the low activity.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 21 2015 22:48 GMT
#3454
Wow, GGs! Holy hell, I mean I can see reasons to scumread Fidei in lylo but scott?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 22 2015 08:34 GMT
#3529
Thanks to the hosts and the coaches, rsoultin and HtS in particular. Awesome stuff, awesome work, I had tons of fun although I wasn't really able to participate.

Kudos to rayn for the ballsy counterclaim move. I liked that a lot. Also, it's a good thing that I got killed (np np, NocturneMage). I couldn't have kept up with MD's spammy style and I really want to express how much I dislike that. My vote would've been defaulted to MD simply to get rid of the most spammy player in the game. It's disgusting how pure activity can save a mafia game for scum. MD created so much fuzz that, once the experienced players were out, it was rather easy to get lost in the shitload of spam he was creating. Disgusting. I mean yeah, effective as fuck but it feels like a kick in the nuts when you're fencing. Just .. not fair . Don't feel attacked please, it's not meant to be ad hom or anything .

HtS did a ridiculously great job at coaching. I think I didn't do too bad of a job if I'm measured by my low activity. I think I prioritized badly though, concentrating too much on Fidei/Superbia who were both town. I noticed by now that I townread Copcake for literally no reason, didn't even check the filter once. I guess that's the tribute you pay when you're not able to be really active.

I think though that my townread on Superbia was actually decent, also I was able to read Fidei correctly as town. While the choice of those persons was rather unlucky, the reads were correct so I guess that's something I have going for me.

However, thank you all for the game, it was really, really fun and I can't wait for the next mini. I'll assist Blazinghand as a co-host soon so go ahead and sign up.

boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 22 2015 08:45 GMT
#3530
It is also interesting that I have a three page filter. Wow.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 23 2015 07:32 GMT
#3546
I just read through the scum qt. Guys keep in mind it's a game .
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-23 11:36:38
September 23 2015 11:35 GMT
#3548
On September 23 2015 19:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2015 05:09 yamato77 wrote:
Still delusional even after the game. You tried your hardest to get two mafia completely cleared on D1. I won't miss you, lynching you was satisfying because I didn't have to read your posts anymore. Don't come back.

+1

Boxerfred lynch was so terrible. Literally so terrible.
N1 kill and N2 kill BOTH have moosy as the top mafia candidate and you guys let him lead a lynch?!?!?
pff.....

Nah. In a 150+ pages game, I'm almost always in to lynch the guy who has a filter of 2(!) pages. It's totally fine.
However the next lynch after Copcake should've been Moosy. Especially since I got pushed by him.
The fact of N1 kill and N2 kill having MD as top scum read PLUS the fact that he pushed a rather easy mislynch? Strong, strong scum indicators.

However I feel like my reads really improved. I had rayn and scott early as top town people. I townread CopCake but I did so without even evaluating her so I'm not going to call that a read. Once Superbia was dead and CC was checked, it was clear to me that MD is the last scum.

I think NocturneMage and MoosyDoosy are each alignment's MVPs. While rayn did an awesome job, I feel like his play in the game was a lot influenced by a "why don't you guys follow me I have it solved" attitude. As for James, well - awkward ending, however you did a great job in at least getting me to townread you.

The most noteworthy experience that I take from this game is that I dived into Fidei and Superbia with the intention to find reasons why they're scum and ended up with two strong town reads, for what it's worth.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 23 2015 12:14 GMT
#3553
On September 23 2015 20:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2015 20:35 boxerfred wrote:
On September 23 2015 19:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 23 2015 05:09 yamato77 wrote:
Still delusional even after the game. You tried your hardest to get two mafia completely cleared on D1. I won't miss you, lynching you was satisfying because I didn't have to read your posts anymore. Don't come back.

+1

Boxerfred lynch was so terrible. Literally so terrible.
N1 kill and N2 kill BOTH have moosy as the top mafia candidate and you guys let him lead a lynch?!?!?
pff.....

Nah. In a 150+ pages game, I'm almost always in to lynch the guy who has a filter of 2(!) pages. It's totally fine.
However the next lynch after Copcake should've been Moosy. Especially since I got pushed by him.
The fact of N1 kill and N2 kill having MD as top scum read PLUS the fact that he pushed a rather easy mislynch? Strong, strong scum indicators.

No, it's about the fact that when mafia flipped, suddenly he decides to NOT push Cake anymore..
And you were obviously town from your D1.

This is the one thing. I went afk and let my vote on GB. Why the fuck would mafia do that. I even pointed that out. Noone cared. I'm still wondering if people read my filter when they lynched me.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 23 2015 13:36 GMT
#3558
On September 23 2015 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2015 22:12 rsoultin wrote:
yes, there was a leadership vacuum, but not everyone is made to lead or knows how or when to do so

Yes there was, Moosy. Which is why he played well and town didn't.
I know people might not know how to lead, it doesn't make my argument invalid.

agreed. I think scott should've taken the lead or maybe even NM.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
September 25 2015 12:01 GMT
#3565
So whatever. Thanks for the fluff and all the effort .

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