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However I'm bringing this up: On September 06 2015 01:26 MoosyDoosy wrote: there's no way to read you when you've literally done nothing so far. but i am interested in knowing what your thoughts on CopCake and n00bKing are. I think the best thing for me to do right now is to try to appear townie and pretty much try to not get policy lynched. As far as I've read, n00bKing appears to not contribute a thing, asking questions that are not related to anything important or even useful. Feels like a lot of fluff to appear active. Skimming through CopCake's filter, I just see some hard to read posts and pressure on n00bKing, not too much evidence being brought up, just a vote. Nothing substantial although it feels like there's a high grade of activity (his filter is like 10% of the overall game by now) and she's also trying to argue and explain - so I probably wouldn't give it a scum lean. However I'll take some more time and try to catch up, I'll probably be around EoD. No guarantee on that though, I'm tired as fuck and also ill, chilling with my laptop in my awesome bed. I also want to say something about rayn: I shadowed him in one of the last games where he was town. He told me quite a lot about how he plays as town and there are some points that he told me that really hit this game: 1. he said he sucked at convincing people, and 2. he said he'd sometimes get really mad about other people. I think rayn is town. | ||
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On September 07 2015 01:10 Fidei86 wrote: So BF, hearing his name get mentioned as a possible policy lynch, enters the thread and basically gets on board with the n00b and the Cake wagons, then calls Rayn town for meta reasons. His reasoning against n00b is not convincing. Whatever else you think of n00b (and I've said plenty), he hasn't shied away from dealing with specific issues. I've already said at length that I think there are issues with n00b's play, but I just think his overall play style makes more sense from a town perspective. So we've got two wagons that I think are probably town, and BF is happy with both? I think we'd be better off lynching BF. You do realize I've read until 17 only and didn't vote, right? I answered a question that was raised towards me. Tryhard? | ||
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On September 07 2015 01:46 Fidei86 wrote: I always try hard. I don't buy your explanation though. n00b has been playing the same the whole way through. I really have issues with it, but whatever else it is it really isn't lacking specificity. I think you're Mafia. I think you're hedging on the two lynch wagons so you can jump on whichever later and look good in the process. I think town finds the time over the last day and a half to actually read the thread (page 17 is what, 7 pages of game filter?). I need to come out of posting view now to see which questions you're talking about, because if they're after p17 then that only makes me more skeptical. You come to that conclusion after 2 posts that I made? | ||
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On September 07 2015 01:10 Fidei86 wrote: So BF, hearing his name get mentioned as a possible policy lynch, enters the thread and basically gets on board with the n00b and the Cake wagons, then calls Rayn town for meta reasons. His reasoning against n00b is not convincing. Whatever else you think of n00b (and I've said plenty), he hasn't shied away from dealing with specific issues. I've already said at length that I think there are issues with n00b's play, but I just think his overall play style makes more sense from a town perspective. So we've got two wagons that I think are probably town, and BF is happy with both? I think we'd be better off lynching BF. Erm also I want to clarify: I'm not happy with a Cake lynch. How do you come to this? I clearly say that I don't give a scum lean! | ||
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On September 07 2015 03:24 yamato77 wrote: On BF: I've seen him play low-activity catch-up mode as town before and I don't hate the things he's posting. Not the best lynch by any means. That's true, see Gaiden where I was policy lynched due to RL issues and had low activity. Same here. I'm fine with a n00bking lynch, not with a cake lynch. I don't like fideis efforts and townread rayn. So much for me as of now. ##vote n00bKing | ||
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On September 07 2015 03:49 yamato77 wrote: I wish you'd read the part where I said I didn't want to lynch noobking anymore. Why? No way I'm reading up right now. | ||
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so here's all I got: rayn town n00bking scum lean gb no idea copcake slight town lean | ||
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Fidei talks a lot about n00bKing and a bit less about MoosyDoosy day 1. He clearly got his focus on these two players so he should be happy with the n00bKing wagon once it went off. However as soon as I entered the thread, fidei thought it would be a great thing to vote for me, based off literally one post I made which basically said "Hey guys, I'm here, I'm not inactive". I get that someone would vote me as long as I'm not there (policy) but why would you vote for an afk lurker as soon as he returns? This is like the first thing I don't understand about fidei. Next up, in the middle of EoD drama, he jumps off the GB wagon, sets his vote on someone completely irrelevant, then gets back on the next wagon which is kinda safe to vote with. I understand that he's not voting GB. I understand that he jumps in n00bKings face. I don't understand why he voted how he voted. I'm trying to figure out if that is scum indicative or paranoid town indicative. Diving into the filter a second time, there's this: On September 06 2015 08:54 Fidei86 wrote: Can I ask you a question - what is your read on Yamato? He seems to think that you are hard town reading each other. Are you? If you are reading him town, why? Well, there was 0 follow up on this. Zero. What is the point of these questions then? Also, this: + Show Spoiler [full post] + On September 06 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote: It seems to me like the most important event today so far is the shit-fight between rayn and n00b. Rayn looks pretty obviously town to me. This is exactly the same as his town meta in voice-mafia, he tries to lead the discussion right from the front, ask questions, point things out and generally just be loud. I do think that a couple of his pushes have been a little questionable - the whole Breshke "yamato/rayn magic" thing was blown waaaaay out of proportion, and I think people were right to point this out. But, yeah, that's what I would have expected from town rayn. I hate n00b's style of posting, because there's really no reason to be so rude. I get it, you think that you're better than us all. That's fine, you might well be. But you can't honestly be surprised to find people don't like arrogant, superior people. And you're doing both in spades. If you're town, you're just digging your own grave at the moment. The post I most disliked from n00bking was #801. I think it's worth me quoting it in full: I'm sitting here reading this post, and I just keep asking myself "why does a town n00b make this post?". The only reason to call people's posts bad, without following with a read on the poster, is if you're trying to stop momentum on a wagon you think is wrong. Otherwise, you're just soft-scumming the poster. I would say probably half of n00b's filter up to now is his fight with rayn. And through all of that, he hasn't actually formed a read on him yet? How does that even make sense? If n00b is town, I don't get why he essentially causes the entirety of d1 to be about his fight with rayn, someone he doesn't even seem to have a scum read on ??? n00b is a scum-read for now. That said, there are a ton of other interesting things about this fight that are worth pondering. Yamato's thread is one I think is worth parsing a little more. He again seems to have been swept up in the fight, and is taking lots of swings at n00b. I've spent a fair amount of time talking to Yamato on TS, and I would say off the bat that his posts sound like him. But at the same time, he's a strong player and his absolute focus on n00b this early seems a little off. I'm also not sure that his post #598 makes a ton of sense. Rayn's read on Yamato is flimsy, at best. Even rayn would surely have to admit that trying to discern someone's alignment from how excited they are in their first post is pretty difficult. For two people who only know each other over the internet, it would be basically impossible. So why is yamato so keen to emphasise that he and rayn are hard town-reading each other? I think I will read Moosy and GB's filters, then head to bed. Any questions, fire away in the meantime. n00b is a scum-read for now. He's contradicting himself there: On September 07 2015 07:52 Fidei86 wrote: All I can say is that I'd been town-reading Cake and NK all day, basically, and I really didn't want to vote for either. You're right, I had to, but I was stubborn at first. Not much more I can say about it really. On September 07 2015 17:27 Fidei86 wrote: @Breshke I've already explained this - I was town reading n00b and Cake all day, and I didn't want to vote for either. I moved to n00b because I needed to choose one of the wagons other than GB. I was just being stubborn in not moving to n00b straight away. *shrug* idk what my Mafia motivation would be to not move to n00b (town) straight away, but then I guess I would say that. Concluding, there are some major flaws in Fidei's gameplay. 1. He does not push his votes. 2. He votes for people that he townread "basically all day" 3. He heavily contradicts himself in terms of his scum/townreads which is quite strange since, well, in the end he voted his town read. So I strongly suggest to look into Fidei in the context of the first 40 pages or so (which I still didn't manage to read up completely ffs). | ||
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@BF The post you're quoting from is basically my first substantive contribution of the game. After I made that post, I made the one I quote above, where I said that, on reflection, I thought n00b was town. That was my thought/read progression. I suppose you could say that it wasn't true that I had been town reading him *all day*, but I thought that was a fair enough reflection of my thought pattern, and was quicker than saying "well I did think he was initially scum, but then I thought he was town relatively early on and then I maintained that thought through EOD". Hm I'm not sure if that weakens my concern. I understand that you'd say once "all day" but you said it like 2 or 3 times, stressing it out quite a bit. That made me mention it in the first place tbh. Also I don't understand how you'd progress from scum to town to vote, although you did it exactly that way. Now I will admit that I didn't strongly push my scum read on you, or on MD, but regarding you it quickly became clear that (i) nobody really agreed with my read on you, and (ii) people weren't going to move off n00b/Cake anyway. In those circumstances, it would have been a waste of time to keep pushing you. This is were I disagree. Considering (i), I think that it wasn't that people necessarily disagreed but more that people simply didn't care (which tbh I liked since there was no way I would have been more active than I was yesterday. I'm still sick, however I'm at least awake). You could've brought that topic back up to attention during the day, even during EoD, especially if your town read is under lynch pressure. Regarding (ii), this is wrong - as a fact, people moved to GB, proving your example wrong already. When that happened, you moved from the main wagons to a completely unimportant vote. That doesn't make sense, especially since you say now that you couldn't see other wagons than the two mentioned. I mean okay, your switch to MD makes sense because while it looks like coming out of nowhere, your filter actually contains quite a lot of stuff on MD. Okay, granted. I'm actually willing to let go of the pressure that I inititually put on you. Keep in mind that while I wrote a lot on you, I didn't come down to say that you're totally scummy. In fact i don't think you're totally scummy. But what strikes me is that, as said and as elaborated before, your vote behaviour is quite inconistent. I really like your answer although I disagree. Does that make sense? | ||
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I'm scum-leaning MoosyDoosy for now, also for his full-mouthy "I LEAD TOWN NOW". There's literally nothing that MD has done that would make me accept him as the town leader. No way. Let's come to Rayn now. As I said previously - during the night, Rayn explains where he locates scum and why the "GB issue will sort itself out" (freely quoted). However right after the night post, Rayn votes for GB. I don't understand that and I really want Rayn to explain why since this is is like the only flaw I see in his (town) play so far. Next up: I'm with scott in terms of "Wait, GB should now that rayn's doctor claim is wrong because GB is the doctor. Right?" + Show Spoiler + On September 08 2015 08:28 GlowingBear wrote: It is fake. I'm trying to say it under Fidei's perspective. He should KNOW Rayn's claim is fake even if I didn't claim I believe this. On September 08 2015 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck you i literally counter claimed because GB claimed my role and is not a doctor. If GB flips town doctor you lynch me the next day. It is simple as that. And you don't think neither of us is mafia which automatically makes you scum. Contrary to here: On September 08 2015 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: you are terrible. i will not play a fucking game with you NEVER more. NEVER. you are so bad at this game. so... so... so.. bad. unless you are mafia. I have had enough. afk. ##unvote ##vote: GlowingBear this is how far i got without getting mad. my vote will not change, ever in this game. so you better lynch me or GlowingBear. I will not give any fucking fucks what he flips and i hope he never talks to me any more. So rayn goes like "GB is either the worst fucking townie ever or he is scum", then goes with a CC and says that it's not a raged fake CC but a real one. Do you guys see where I'm going with this? Why would rayn say 'he's maybe the worst townie ever' if he is doctor and absolutely knows that it's a fakeclaim? The only logical answer to that is "Well, if GB fakeclaimed as a VT to advert his lynch, then he's playing a pretty dumb town game". However the fact that GB really sticks to his version of "I am doctor" let's me think that it's all about rayn vs. gb this day (which sucks). Since I'm townreading rayn.. ##vote GlowingBear I'm totally fine with a MD lynch for what it's worth. Also, I'm still not settled on Fidei but I'm kinda willing to take the "bad town" perspective. NocturneMage however seems to not care what's happening at all and instead does some "filter diving" with mediocre results. Scum lean until something great emerges. As for Slam - can't read the guy, lazy/in-understandable posting, wouldn't recommend for a newbie game anytime soon. Would lynch since I have no idea what alignment he is. My town trifecta would be rayn, scott and me. | ||
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I believe GB's case on you? Where is GB's case on you? Where do I believe it? Oo And no, I'm not saying there's a flaw in rayn's argument. I'm just saying "that's the scenario it has to be, if it's not this, he's lieing." Scott is in my town circle for his general posting and ideas that he has. He appears townie to me. Especially the wording issue on GB stood out as a townie thought. | ||
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On September 08 2015 17:22 Fidei86 wrote: GB's flip will assist, but on the proviso that he flips Mafia, I think Bresh is the most likely town (other than Rayn). He was continuing to disbelieve GB's claim and was pushing his lynch before rayn's claim. That is a ton more convincing than anything Scott has done, as far as I can see. I get that argumentation. But consider this: Breshke says "Lynch GB!" then GB claims doctor, Breshke says "Lynch GB!" without considering anything else, not even asking questions. I mean he was willing into the un-CC'ed doctor, right? That's not too town indicative so I strongly disagree with your point of saying "Bresh more town than Rayn". Breshke is a null for me currently. | ||
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On September 08 2015 17:45 Fidei86 wrote: Ok I think you might be mis-remembering because Breshke wasn't ever on the GB wagon. He claims to have been sleeping, and his vote was on Slam through EOD. But that actually changes my view somewhat - I'd also thought he was on the GB wagon for some reason. In the circumstances where GB already fake claims, mafia Bresh would have nothing to lose by pressuring him, especially because it was reasonable to assume town would not lynch into him without a CC. So, yeah. Bresh loses his town Jesus cred for now. Ah this is true. Was it Slam then who was all the way on GB and still wanted to go after him without any reonsideration? :/ | ||
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On September 09 2015 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: N1 there are only three plausible scenarios, from likeliest to unlikeliest: 1) GlowingBear is mafia and does not get shot 2) I doc GlowingBear (which i did) in case he is just a terrible townie saving his own skin from getting lynched by fakeclaiming -> noone dies -> GB is confirmed town 3) I die -> GB is confirmed mafia. This is huge! I didn't even think of that. If rayn would've died and flipped Doc, GB would've been dead. Tbh I had rayn as the most likely target to go down and was really surprised when I saw yamato flip. I wondered why that was but I completely forgot about that since I looked into Fidei and was busy with the interactions with him. So here we have it quite clearly. This is the setup (as was known before) A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon GB claims to have been roleblocked. However this is easy to do since there is no notification being sent ("Notifications: Roleblocks are not notified."). So the good thing is we have a confirmed scum in rayn vs. GB. The bad thing is that rayn was forced to claim and thus is most likely a dead Simon Tam. Sidenote: this kind of clears me. I was afk for most of D1 and parked my vote on GB. When I realized EoD was later (not midnight but 0.30 AM) I went to bed, leaving my vote on GB who was the main wagon at this point! I'm as confirmed as it gets (or I have the biggest balls that mafia can have for hardcore yolo bussing). Sidenote #2: Where is Breshke? Sidenote #3: Is the spoilered vote count correct? I don't remember Fidei being so early on n00bking. + Show Spoiler + On September 07 2015 07:35 rsoultin wrote: Final Day 1 Votecount n00bking (7): Superbia, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, yamato77, scott31337, GlowingBear, Alakaslam copcake (2): moosydoosy, nocturnemage GlowingBear (2): boxerfred, n00bking Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Voting (0): Currently, n00bking was jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes. | ||
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That's my logic. So whoever is not fine with a GB lynch will have to heavily explain why. That would be MoosyDoosy who I think is scum anyways. Also, Superbia didn't cast his vote so far although being in the thread and making long posts. While I have a slight scum lean on Fidei and pushed in that direction, I actually re-thought a bit and I feel like Fidei is not the lynch for the next days. I really wanna see GB + MD flip before I lynch someone else. Thing is I did not look heavily into MoosyDoosy thus far. However since my time to play the game is really limited, I think I'll set "Looking into MD" as a top priority. | ||
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On September 09 2015 22:08 MoosyDoosy wrote: ... "MoosyDoosy is scum but I actually haven't looked at him closely. But I still want to lynch him. By the way I'll be really busy so I'll just say that looking into him is a top priority but I still want to lynch him." You've been accusing me all game of doing drive-by posts when I've actually been questioning people as one of the most active posters?? You're the one doing drive-by posts here l0l. I've not been accusing you, I've been saying my stance towards you rather loudly and I'm clearly saying what I am next up to. I have not voted for you once. You just read that I want to look into you, so if you're town, do you have anything to fear? | ||
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On September 09 2015 23:12 Alakaslam wrote: Boxerfred doing the same textbook scum game with Moosy Care to explain? | ||
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Dang there's work to do however. Why was MD so sure about his read on rayn? There was no way he could possibly know that rayn is not doc EXCEPT he'd know the setup and he'd know that there is no doc involved. I'm not too sure if that makes sense, it relies on GB giving a fake hint which would be risky as fuck since a CC outside of the setup would've been much more believable than a pure doc cc however. I'm down to a superbia and a MD lynch, still. however all I did all night was lurk and catch up. Another 2 days for me to actually do work. | ||
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On September 05 2015 08:39 Superbia wrote: I think he might do this as town though. In addition I will say this. Do not believe GB is the vigi today. Evaluate him like any other. Do not give him a pass whatsoever. This is from D1 after GlowingBears claim. This post is an answer to rayn who hit the truth in his "claiming vig D1 is a great thing to call out a town role, get a blue kill in exchange for the goon." (though rayn couldn't know that GB is the goon at that point. This post is strange in many ways. Superbia thinks GB might do a (serious!) vigi claim at the very beginning of D1. To me, claiming blue D1 is like the stupidest thing you can do if you truely are a blue. How does Superbia come to that conclusion? The bolded part contradicts the initial meaning of the post ("nah guys GB is stupid not scum") however. It's 100% wishywashy. Also, the initial post (the quote in the quote) - why is Superbia disliking rayn for his reaction to GB? He should be disliking GB for the initial blue shenanigans. This post really feels like it's coming from someone who has to hide something. Time for the tinfoil hat: On September 05 2015 07:33 Superbia wrote: Counterclaim. What if that was a serious response to a claim that Superbia thought was real? Also, WHY did GB claim Vigi if he DID know about the setup? This makes me feel really (really!) unsure if there is indeed a doctor in. We have two people D1 (GB, Superbia) that are willing to think that there is a Vigi in. However, GB claimed Doctor and Rayn claimed Doctor. There was NO counterclaim up to this point, keep that in mind guys! We have two setup slips from GB (Vigi, Doc) and we do not know which one is true. Out of this, I extract two scenarios. a) Doctor setup. Superbia's CC to GB was pure bullshit, making him look townie. b) Vigi setup. Superbia's CC to GB was the truth, making him, well, look townie. c) Vigi + Doc claim was absolutely bullshit (which is the unlikeliest to me) I'm kinda surprised that I come to this conclusion. I'll continue with the setup before going back to Superbia: Vigi setup feels the most likely to me TBH. 2/3 goons in scum - that means the chance that GB would flip scum as goon is higher than in any other setup. Also, we have no DOCTOR counter claimed except the rayn yolo, which was risky but great however it was not a Doctor. Basically, ANY rule could've counterclaimed the doctor that is Vigi, Veteran or Jailkeeper. So GB's claim EoD1 could have played out awesome for scum, ESPECIALLY in Setup B (1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons). Mafia would've exchanged a simple goon with a strong town blue, potentially Jailkeeper. I think at this point I have a pretty good theory who another blue role is but I won't tell since I don't want the guy to get killed. Okay, back to Superbia. As I said above - the behaviour from this post is conclusively townie. Maybe my logic is flawed somewhere, somehow, so please test the waters. Another point that makes Superbia look townie D1 is that he instantly jumped on GB's claim - why would a fellow scum member do this given that he'd know GB's plan of outing a blue? It doesn't make sense. On September 06 2015 05:37 Superbia wrote: 1. Look at opening posts. 2. Look at rayn/yamato interaction. 3. GB (fake) claim. 4. Look at rayn/noobking interaction. Following people: - noobking - copcake - slam Comments on them in near future pls. Although noone brings up the claim after all D1, Superbia does so when NM enters the thread. This could be out of "yo maybe NM replaced a blue and GB's trick might work here" (which I don't think tbh - feels way to unrealistic) or is indeed a "look at this and tell me what you think". Genuine. + Show Spoiler + On September 07 2015 03:35 Superbia wrote: I'm here. Haven't read past few pages. Game kinda feels hard. rayn/yamato still very town. Stuck on moosy's alignment. Something feels off compared to previous game filters. Not sure what, still reading. His associative read triggered all sorts of re-evaluations. Stuck on noobking's alignment. His post style feels different from his mafia post style. Planning on reading into his meta after moosy. Feels like moosy may have spewn him town if moosy is mafia. IDK copcake tied into this. Also stuck on her alignment. Don't know about slam/gb. Both seem very much on the sidelines. bf superlurk. Last game he did this he was PR and got lynched d1 for it. To be honest, I think I may have the PRs down to a small circle already (of either mafia or PR) and he's not among them. Need to hear from people who have played with him. So yeah. Still very much in the process of evaluation. Here for questions and talking if people are around. Specifically the 3 above. Very busy tabbing between game filters though. So don't expect a superquick response. First kind of list post from Superbia. While he's not talking about GB in this, he puts a null/scum lean on MoosyDoosy. Which makes me feel like they have different alignments however I'm not too sure if that holds. Putting this in spoilers to not draw attention from the main parts of the post. Here is more interaction from GB which makes Superbia change his read of scott from town. This looks important: On September 07 2015 03:55 Superbia wrote: Why is scott the lynch for you, GB? On September 07 2015 04:04 Superbia wrote: I had scott as town early but re-viewing his filter idk why. GB can you flesh this out? On September 07 2015 04:04 GlowingBear wrote: Yes I can. I'm going to write a case once I get home. And indeed, Superbia brings up GB's case on Scott: At this point of filter diving, I have to say that Superbia's filter is full of oneliners, full of questions that lead to nowhere and don't do a thing. Not liking this at all. Also, he really likes GB's case on scott (this is one of the rare occasions where Superbia actually says his opinion). Here, he says it even multiple times: On September 07 2015 05:53 Superbia wrote: You guys really think GB's case is terrible? On September 07 2015 05:58 Superbia wrote: I think GB's view on scott is pretty okay. On September 07 2015 06:01 Superbia wrote: I'm actually pretty confused this d1. I usually have a direction I want to push the game, but rayn has kind of taken over the role I usually take in a game. Which leaves me stranded. I'm kind of okay with noobking getting lynched at this point and seeing where he flips takes us. Simply because I don't have any strong mafia reads. My gut would say moosy and go from there, but it may very well be wrong. Scum read on Moosy, again (consistent!). However lateron, Slam calls Superbia out on his growing wishy-washyness: On September 07 2015 06:16 Superbia wrote: I don't fucking know at this point man. Gut says it's one between moosy or copcake. One between scott/GB. And maybe someone like you. But it could also easily be someone like noobking in there. But here's the problem, noobking doesn't look like his mafia meta on this site, but the fact that he has played on other sites (and judging from what he's said, played a lot) makes me believe he can probably play mafia in multiple ways. So I don't know about noobking's alignment. He doesn't really seem to want to contribute at all, which doesn't help me at all. Like the problem is that I'm stucking between worlds right now. And this is mostly caused by the fact that both rayn and yamato believe in a world which I don't really believe in right now. Like they both think copcake is town, and they both think scott is town. I think they're both town and decent/good players. This leaves me confused. This is accurate. How big is the chance the scum!superbia would call out both of his team mates in one post (scott/gb vs. moosy/copcake)? This makes me feel he's town. On September 07 2015 06:35 Superbia wrote: I don't know about GB to be honest, but it's sort of mafia to go afk instead of participate in EoD discussion. I kind of liked what he had to say about scott in his case thingy. You guys disagree. You guys know more about GB-meta. I think I'm keeping my vote on noobking, but if we have a vigi I wouldn't be heartbroken about a GB shot so we can get that shit out of the way. This is huge. Again that makes me feel Superbia is town. I am now at his huge list post and will refer to this in a different post for the sake of readability. tl;dr - I actually think Superbia is not a good lynch this day. He appears townie to me after I fully evaluated his filter. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly?page=82#1628 I've read through and I can see where he comes from. I strongly suggest a MoosyDoosy lynch at this point. His behaviour last night/day was just shit. He's OMGUS'ing wherever he can. He has been scumread by Superbia and Fidei and Rayn and me. This feels like a good thing to start. I'm running out of time again so I have to do the work on MD later this day (however there are 24+ hours to go so I think I'll manage to do so. no promise though). I'm here for another 30 minutes or so. | ||
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"ESPECIALLY in Setup B (1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons). Mafia would've exchanged a simple goon with a strong town blue, potentially Jailkeeper. I think at this point I have a pretty good theory who another blue role is but I won't tell since I don't want the guy to get killed." this part is bullshit since in setup B, there is no JK. that makes the play still powerful though. | ||
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On September 11 2015 17:52 Fidei86 wrote: @bf I'm really not convinced by your case, which seems to boil down to "Superbia said mean things about GB towards EOD but didn't change his vote". Also, is your case on MD "three people are scum reading him"? Thing is that this was supposed to be a case on Superbia however I come to the conclusion he's rather town. Not having the time to check MD yet. Still I suggest from what I've seen and from my gut that the guy is a decent lynch. | ||
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Here is my stance on the game: I'm a low activity poster. I'm aware that it should be easy for scum to set me up for a mislynch based on this. Whenever I come in the thread, I have to read another 20 pages of spammy shit. It would be great if you guys could just get back on track and think about where to locate scum or where to lynch to gain as much information as possible. We are in a situation where it's likely that mafia knows since D2 that they'll lose a member. Since they insta-shot rayn during the night, mafia were SURE that he's the doctor. Right? Right? That makes me feel like the kill itself was a scum slip in terms of the setup. The Doctor setup is likely as fuck. I talked about this already earlier. So what is scum supposed to do (as a team)? They'll try to get a mislynch, they are in desperate need for that especially after rayn flipped VT and not blue. So I'm really interested in who pushes MD and why they do so. Especially if MD is indeed lynched and flips green. At this point I don't think town can come further by evaluating people on scummy behavior but moreso by evaluating people in terms of town indications. It's one way to find indicators for scum alignment to win the game. Another way is to find indicators of town alignment on everyone else. We followed the first way and it got us GB, cool, great! However I think while we should not abandon that completely, we should consider focussing more on town reads. At this point, I have the following town reads: - scott (even forgot why, need to check, however don't have the time) - superbia (reasons stated in my huge case) - Alakaslam. What i remember the most of him is a) his spammy/hard to read playstyle, b) some posts where he points out scummy behaviour of me. since there was no follow up on this, I think it's a town indication. Also he was continuesly willing to hammer GB. Followed by my null reads: - Breshke. Not remembering anything in particular, however he got in a shitflinging discussion with Superbia, derailing shit. Cool - not. - Fidei. Pointed out some scum indicators in his play, he answered genuinely. I think he's not doing enough for town to actually be labeled a townie. Seems more interested in defending/surviving than in actually finding scum. Needs to step up. - CopCake. Don't remember particularly much. Hard to read. Voted with the main wagons. - MoosyDoosy. Need to look into more. I think his flip would give us a lot of information, however it might easily be a mislynch for scum. Good thing would be to stop pressuring him but instead give him some breathing room and let him do town work. Especially his last posts feel a lot like frustrated town. Can't tell. - NocturneMage. Where is this guy? Yes, I don't have scumreads, yolo. Would lynch between MD/NM since Breshke is at least here. | ||
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"Alakaslam. What i remember the most of him is a) his spammy/hard to read playstyle, b) some posts where he points out scummy behaviour of me. since there was no follow up on this, I think it's a town indication. Also he was continuesly willing to hammer GB." I think in this case, the "no follow-up" thing is a town indication because a follow-up would have been the try to set me up for a mislynch in the aftermath of the rayn vs. gb drama. | ||
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On September 12 2015 05:20 CopCake wrote: Boxfred why do you want more town reads than mafia reads? To find 2 out of 10, you can search until you find 2, or you can search until you know 8 are good people. Two ways to find scum. Combining both is the way to go, however I feel like the first way (evaluating people on scum indicators or missing town indicators only) is insufficient. I feel like there is a lot of spammy discussions instead of decent scumhunting going on. | ||
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Kudos to rayn for the ballsy counterclaim move. I liked that a lot. Also, it's a good thing that I got killed (np np, NocturneMage). I couldn't have kept up with MD's spammy style and I really want to express how much I dislike that. My vote would've been defaulted to MD simply to get rid of the most spammy player in the game. It's disgusting how pure activity can save a mafia game for scum. MD created so much fuzz that, once the experienced players were out, it was rather easy to get lost in the shitload of spam he was creating. Disgusting. I mean yeah, effective as fuck but it feels like a kick in the nuts when you're fencing. Just .. not fair . Don't feel attacked please, it's not meant to be ad hom or anything . HtS did a ridiculously great job at coaching. I think I didn't do too bad of a job if I'm measured by my low activity. I think I prioritized badly though, concentrating too much on Fidei/Superbia who were both town. I noticed by now that I townread Copcake for literally no reason, didn't even check the filter once. I guess that's the tribute you pay when you're not able to be really active. I think though that my townread on Superbia was actually decent, also I was able to read Fidei correctly as town. While the choice of those persons was rather unlucky, the reads were correct so I guess that's something I have going for me. However, thank you all for the game, it was really, really fun and I can't wait for the next mini. I'll assist Blazinghand as a co-host soon so go ahead and sign up. | ||
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On September 23 2015 19:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: +1 Boxerfred lynch was so terrible. Literally so terrible. N1 kill and N2 kill BOTH have moosy as the top mafia candidate and you guys let him lead a lynch?!?!? pff..... Nah. In a 150+ pages game, I'm almost always in to lynch the guy who has a filter of 2(!) pages. It's totally fine. However the next lynch after Copcake should've been Moosy. Especially since I got pushed by him. The fact of N1 kill and N2 kill having MD as top scum read PLUS the fact that he pushed a rather easy mislynch? Strong, strong scum indicators. However I feel like my reads really improved. I had rayn and scott early as top town people. I townread CopCake but I did so without even evaluating her so I'm not going to call that a read. Once Superbia was dead and CC was checked, it was clear to me that MD is the last scum. I think NocturneMage and MoosyDoosy are each alignment's MVPs. While rayn did an awesome job, I feel like his play in the game was a lot influenced by a "why don't you guys follow me I have it solved" attitude. As for James, well - awkward ending, however you did a great job in at least getting me to townread you. The most noteworthy experience that I take from this game is that I dived into Fidei and Superbia with the intention to find reasons why they're scum and ended up with two strong town reads, for what it's worth. | ||
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On September 23 2015 20:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, it's about the fact that when mafia flipped, suddenly he decides to NOT push Cake anymore.. And you were obviously town from your D1. This is the one thing. I went afk and let my vote on GB. Why the fuck would mafia do that. I even pointed that out. Noone cared. I'm still wondering if people read my filter when they lynched me. | ||
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On September 23 2015 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes there was, Moosy. Which is why he played well and town didn't. I know people might not know how to lead, it doesn't make my argument invalid. agreed. I think scott should've taken the lead or maybe even NM. | ||
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