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However I'm bringing this up: On September 06 2015 01:26 MoosyDoosy wrote: there's no way to read you when you've literally done nothing so far. but i am interested in knowing what your thoughts on CopCake and n00bKing are. I think the best thing for me to do right now is to try to appear townie and pretty much try to not get policy lynched. As far as I've read, n00bKing appears to not contribute a thing, asking questions that are not related to anything important or even useful. Feels like a lot of fluff to appear active. Skimming through CopCake's filter, I just see some hard to read posts and pressure on n00bKing, not too much evidence being brought up, just a vote. Nothing substantial although it feels like there's a high grade of activity (his filter is like 10% of the overall game by now) and she's also trying to argue and explain - so I probably wouldn't give it a scum lean. However I'll take some more time and try to catch up, I'll probably be around EoD. No guarantee on that though, I'm tired as fuck and also ill, chilling with my laptop in my awesome bed. I also want to say something about rayn: I shadowed him in one of the last games where he was town. He told me quite a lot about how he plays as town and there are some points that he told me that really hit this game: 1. he said he sucked at convincing people, and 2. he said he'd sometimes get really mad about other people. I think rayn is town. | ||
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On September 07 2015 01:10 Fidei86 wrote: So BF, hearing his name get mentioned as a possible policy lynch, enters the thread and basically gets on board with the n00b and the Cake wagons, then calls Rayn town for meta reasons. His reasoning against n00b is not convincing. Whatever else you think of n00b (and I've said plenty), he hasn't shied away from dealing with specific issues. I've already said at length that I think there are issues with n00b's play, but I just think his overall play style makes more sense from a town perspective. So we've got two wagons that I think are probably town, and BF is happy with both? I think we'd be better off lynching BF. You do realize I've read until 17 only and didn't vote, right? I answered a question that was raised towards me. Tryhard? | ||
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On September 07 2015 01:46 Fidei86 wrote: I always try hard. I don't buy your explanation though. n00b has been playing the same the whole way through. I really have issues with it, but whatever else it is it really isn't lacking specificity. I think you're Mafia. I think you're hedging on the two lynch wagons so you can jump on whichever later and look good in the process. I think town finds the time over the last day and a half to actually read the thread (page 17 is what, 7 pages of game filter?). I need to come out of posting view now to see which questions you're talking about, because if they're after p17 then that only makes me more skeptical. You come to that conclusion after 2 posts that I made? | ||
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On September 07 2015 01:10 Fidei86 wrote: So BF, hearing his name get mentioned as a possible policy lynch, enters the thread and basically gets on board with the n00b and the Cake wagons, then calls Rayn town for meta reasons. His reasoning against n00b is not convincing. Whatever else you think of n00b (and I've said plenty), he hasn't shied away from dealing with specific issues. I've already said at length that I think there are issues with n00b's play, but I just think his overall play style makes more sense from a town perspective. So we've got two wagons that I think are probably town, and BF is happy with both? I think we'd be better off lynching BF. Erm also I want to clarify: I'm not happy with a Cake lynch. How do you come to this? I clearly say that I don't give a scum lean! | ||
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On September 07 2015 03:24 yamato77 wrote: On BF: I've seen him play low-activity catch-up mode as town before and I don't hate the things he's posting. Not the best lynch by any means. That's true, see Gaiden where I was policy lynched due to RL issues and had low activity. Same here. I'm fine with a n00bking lynch, not with a cake lynch. I don't like fideis efforts and townread rayn. So much for me as of now. ##vote n00bKing | ||
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On September 07 2015 03:49 yamato77 wrote: I wish you'd read the part where I said I didn't want to lynch noobking anymore. Why? No way I'm reading up right now. | ||
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so here's all I got: rayn town n00bking scum lean gb no idea copcake slight town lean | ||
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Fidei talks a lot about n00bKing and a bit less about MoosyDoosy day 1. He clearly got his focus on these two players so he should be happy with the n00bKing wagon once it went off. However as soon as I entered the thread, fidei thought it would be a great thing to vote for me, based off literally one post I made which basically said "Hey guys, I'm here, I'm not inactive". I get that someone would vote me as long as I'm not there (policy) but why would you vote for an afk lurker as soon as he returns? This is like the first thing I don't understand about fidei. Next up, in the middle of EoD drama, he jumps off the GB wagon, sets his vote on someone completely irrelevant, then gets back on the next wagon which is kinda safe to vote with. I understand that he's not voting GB. I understand that he jumps in n00bKings face. I don't understand why he voted how he voted. I'm trying to figure out if that is scum indicative or paranoid town indicative. Diving into the filter a second time, there's this: On September 06 2015 08:54 Fidei86 wrote: Can I ask you a question - what is your read on Yamato? He seems to think that you are hard town reading each other. Are you? If you are reading him town, why? Well, there was 0 follow up on this. Zero. What is the point of these questions then? Also, this: + Show Spoiler [full post] + On September 06 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote: It seems to me like the most important event today so far is the shit-fight between rayn and n00b. Rayn looks pretty obviously town to me. This is exactly the same as his town meta in voice-mafia, he tries to lead the discussion right from the front, ask questions, point things out and generally just be loud. I do think that a couple of his pushes have been a little questionable - the whole Breshke "yamato/rayn magic" thing was blown waaaaay out of proportion, and I think people were right to point this out. But, yeah, that's what I would have expected from town rayn. I hate n00b's style of posting, because there's really no reason to be so rude. I get it, you think that you're better than us all. That's fine, you might well be. But you can't honestly be surprised to find people don't like arrogant, superior people. And you're doing both in spades. If you're town, you're just digging your own grave at the moment. The post I most disliked from n00bking was #801. I think it's worth me quoting it in full: I'm sitting here reading this post, and I just keep asking myself "why does a town n00b make this post?". The only reason to call people's posts bad, without following with a read on the poster, is if you're trying to stop momentum on a wagon you think is wrong. Otherwise, you're just soft-scumming the poster. I would say probably half of n00b's filter up to now is his fight with rayn. And through all of that, he hasn't actually formed a read on him yet? How does that even make sense? If n00b is town, I don't get why he essentially causes the entirety of d1 to be about his fight with rayn, someone he doesn't even seem to have a scum read on ??? n00b is a scum-read for now. That said, there are a ton of other interesting things about this fight that are worth pondering. Yamato's thread is one I think is worth parsing a little more. He again seems to have been swept up in the fight, and is taking lots of swings at n00b. I've spent a fair amount of time talking to Yamato on TS, and I would say off the bat that his posts sound like him. But at the same time, he's a strong player and his absolute focus on n00b this early seems a little off. I'm also not sure that his post #598 makes a ton of sense. Rayn's read on Yamato is flimsy, at best. Even rayn would surely have to admit that trying to discern someone's alignment from how excited they are in their first post is pretty difficult. For two people who only know each other over the internet, it would be basically impossible. So why is yamato so keen to emphasise that he and rayn are hard town-reading each other? I think I will read Moosy and GB's filters, then head to bed. Any questions, fire away in the meantime. n00b is a scum-read for now. He's contradicting himself there: On September 07 2015 07:52 Fidei86 wrote: All I can say is that I'd been town-reading Cake and NK all day, basically, and I really didn't want to vote for either. You're right, I had to, but I was stubborn at first. Not much more I can say about it really. On September 07 2015 17:27 Fidei86 wrote: @Breshke I've already explained this - I was town reading n00b and Cake all day, and I didn't want to vote for either. I moved to n00b because I needed to choose one of the wagons other than GB. I was just being stubborn in not moving to n00b straight away. *shrug* idk what my Mafia motivation would be to not move to n00b (town) straight away, but then I guess I would say that. Concluding, there are some major flaws in Fidei's gameplay. 1. He does not push his votes. 2. He votes for people that he townread "basically all day" 3. He heavily contradicts himself in terms of his scum/townreads which is quite strange since, well, in the end he voted his town read. So I strongly suggest to look into Fidei in the context of the first 40 pages or so (which I still didn't manage to read up completely ffs). | ||
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@BF The post you're quoting from is basically my first substantive contribution of the game. After I made that post, I made the one I quote above, where I said that, on reflection, I thought n00b was town. That was my thought/read progression. I suppose you could say that it wasn't true that I had been town reading him *all day*, but I thought that was a fair enough reflection of my thought pattern, and was quicker than saying "well I did think he was initially scum, but then I thought he was town relatively early on and then I maintained that thought through EOD". Hm I'm not sure if that weakens my concern. I understand that you'd say once "all day" but you said it like 2 or 3 times, stressing it out quite a bit. That made me mention it in the first place tbh. Also I don't understand how you'd progress from scum to town to vote, although you did it exactly that way. Now I will admit that I didn't strongly push my scum read on you, or on MD, but regarding you it quickly became clear that (i) nobody really agreed with my read on you, and (ii) people weren't going to move off n00b/Cake anyway. In those circumstances, it would have been a waste of time to keep pushing you. This is were I disagree. Considering (i), I think that it wasn't that people necessarily disagreed but more that people simply didn't care (which tbh I liked since there was no way I would have been more active than I was yesterday. I'm still sick, however I'm at least awake). You could've brought that topic back up to attention during the day, even during EoD, especially if your town read is under lynch pressure. Regarding (ii), this is wrong - as a fact, people moved to GB, proving your example wrong already. When that happened, you moved from the main wagons to a completely unimportant vote. That doesn't make sense, especially since you say now that you couldn't see other wagons than the two mentioned. I mean okay, your switch to MD makes sense because while it looks like coming out of nowhere, your filter actually contains quite a lot of stuff on MD. Okay, granted. I'm actually willing to let go of the pressure that I inititually put on you. Keep in mind that while I wrote a lot on you, I didn't come down to say that you're totally scummy. In fact i don't think you're totally scummy. But what strikes me is that, as said and as elaborated before, your vote behaviour is quite inconistent. I really like your answer although I disagree. Does that make sense? | ||
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I'm scum-leaning MoosyDoosy for now, also for his full-mouthy "I LEAD TOWN NOW". There's literally nothing that MD has done that would make me accept him as the town leader. No way. Let's come to Rayn now. As I said previously - during the night, Rayn explains where he locates scum and why the "GB issue will sort itself out" (freely quoted). However right after the night post, Rayn votes for GB. I don't understand that and I really want Rayn to explain why since this is is like the only flaw I see in his (town) play so far. Next up: I'm with scott in terms of "Wait, GB should now that rayn's doctor claim is wrong because GB is the doctor. Right?" + Show Spoiler + On September 08 2015 08:28 GlowingBear wrote: It is fake. I'm trying to say it under Fidei's perspective. He should KNOW Rayn's claim is fake even if I didn't claim I believe this. On September 08 2015 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck you i literally counter claimed because GB claimed my role and is not a doctor. If GB flips town doctor you lynch me the next day. It is simple as that. And you don't think neither of us is mafia which automatically makes you scum. Contrary to here: On September 08 2015 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: you are terrible. i will not play a fucking game with you NEVER more. NEVER. you are so bad at this game. so... so... so.. bad. unless you are mafia. I have had enough. afk. ##unvote ##vote: GlowingBear this is how far i got without getting mad. my vote will not change, ever in this game. so you better lynch me or GlowingBear. I will not give any fucking fucks what he flips and i hope he never talks to me any more. So rayn goes like "GB is either the worst fucking townie ever or he is scum", then goes with a CC and says that it's not a raged fake CC but a real one. Do you guys see where I'm going with this? Why would rayn say 'he's maybe the worst townie ever' if he is doctor and absolutely knows that it's a fakeclaim? The only logical answer to that is "Well, if GB fakeclaimed as a VT to advert his lynch, then he's playing a pretty dumb town game". However the fact that GB really sticks to his version of "I am doctor" let's me think that it's all about rayn vs. gb this day (which sucks). Since I'm townreading rayn.. ##vote GlowingBear I'm totally fine with a MD lynch for what it's worth. Also, I'm still not settled on Fidei but I'm kinda willing to take the "bad town" perspective. NocturneMage however seems to not care what's happening at all and instead does some "filter diving" with mediocre results. Scum lean until something great emerges. As for Slam - can't read the guy, lazy/in-understandable posting, wouldn't recommend for a newbie game anytime soon. Would lynch since I have no idea what alignment he is. My town trifecta would be rayn, scott and me. | ||
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