Newbie Student Mafia XIV: Firefly

On August 31 2015 10:31 GlowingBear wrote:
But I usually drink cheap beer. Always a bliss

On September 05 2015 07:33 Superbia wrote:
Counterclaim.

On September 05 2015 07:47 Superbia wrote:
What exactly are you expecting, bresh?

On September 05 2015 07:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Breshke do you have reasons to believe:
1) i am town
2) yamato is town?

On September 05 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:
Of all the people in the game, I have the least reasons to like GB's posting.

On September 05 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I want him to answer me.
I dislike Breshke the most.

The "do we just wait yamato/rayn magic to happen" is out of place as he doesn't even think either of us is necessarily town and idk.. it's jsut totally out of place, the whole post. Like is anyone even suggesting anything like that? Or like following your suggestion that "we should destroy mafia rayn"... Like that doesn't mean we will jsut own the thread and noone else has nothing to say about anything.

meh.. idk how to explain, the post is just terrible, doesn't make any sense and the timing goes along the same path.

On September 05 2015 08:02 Superbia wrote:
Breshke, what were your thoughts behind that post?

On September 05 2015 08:04 Superbia wrote:
Why?

On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote:
In which page the game started?

On September 05 2015 08:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Well you will play if you are town. I know that. I am not calling you definite scum or anything.

And yes, i think it's the optimal play. Just because at worst you got a guaranteed mafia with 1-1 trade.
Blue roles do not win the games, lynching mafia does.

On September 05 2015 08:38 CopCake wrote:
I don't like Breshke comment but first

Do I know you or have I played voice mafia with you?

On September 05 2015 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I do not think he is certain mafia.
I think he has a 50% chance of being mafia if someone "counter-claims" him.

This is a newbie game. Like the basics of this game, and how you prove yourself as town and help the town, are:
1) town benefits from clarity
2) town benefits from direction
3) town benefits from people working together

Do you think anything Glowingbear has done is achieving either of these things?
Because to me it looks like the opposite. And that's what MAFIA benefits from.

Even if we go with the simplest thing basically everyone should know in this game; If i ask someone "are you really saying this", they should know i am being 100% serious and i want a serious answer because i don't like people playing around with stuff they should not. If they do not give me a serious answer, and they are town, it will relatively hinder the town's capabilities of finding mafia, because then i will be caught into something i can't make any sense out of. Because it DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE.

So yeah, there is pretty much no townie agenda behind Glowingbears actions.

On September 05 2015 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because i want it to be 100% clear to everyone in the game, not just me.

On September 05 2015 08:38 CopCake wrote:
I don't like Breshke comment but first

Do I know you or have I played voice mafia with you?

On September 05 2015 10:00 n00bKing wrote:

False. I agreed with his post saying that the things you had posted were bullshit. His post does not ever say that it's supposed to be any kind of a "case" against you, nor did I call it one.

For the second time...by my own definition of WHAT?

On September 05 2015 09:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Glowingbear's case on me is "rayn is making ridiculous conclusions with no basis"
noobking says "##vote rayn"
noobking says "GB's case is good"
noobking says "Does rayn leap to ridiculous conclusions with no basis as either allegiance? Or only when he's Town?"

By your own definition you should not think i am mafia.

On September 05 2015 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The why doesn't he fucking clarify it?
Instead he keeps dancing around the issue and saying something else.

Did you play in Newbie Student Mafia XIII?
Like it was literally what he did all game long. Someone makes a clear point, he just twists the points into oblivion so noone even remembers the original argument anymore. He's like kitaman when scum, except for kitaman is really fucking good at it.

On September 05 2015 10:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I disagree because you couldn't figure out he is mafia in the last game while others could.

And could you answer GB?

On September 05 2015 10:49 n00bKing wrote:

I'm doing more than just getting a read on rayn's alignment. And I don't need you to understand all of the things that I am doing, in order for them to work.

On September 05 2015 11:11 n00bKing wrote:

Are you threatening me? Using fear as a weapon against me, so that I'll discontinue whatever I'm pursuing? Or sabotage it by explaining it?

Yes, if I get whatever I want to get, then it will be explained, and people will understand it. For me to nail the scum team would not be useless. I do not have a difficult time conveying a point.

On September 05 2015 12:05 n00bKing wrote:

rn = right now? DMA = ?

On September 05 2015 12:10 Alakaslam wrote:

Mafia.

What the hell kind of two birds and no reasoning at all, just sleeping Rayn which Rayn has posted so much he probably thought it was town sentiment.

Another reason my Rayn respect is high.

On September 05 2015 12:46 n00bKing wrote:

What did you mean by "the slam thing" (which you mentioned when casting the vote against him) if you didn't mean rayn talking about him being scum, and the reasons (if you could call them that) why he thought so?

On September 05 2015 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

that's not actually true.

On September 05 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato i am almost certain Slam is mafia.

On September 05 2015 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

glowingbear does that as scum though. he banks on me coming to a conclusion "too dumb to be scum", but he's played that card already so it does not work.

idk maybe Breshke is town after all, we'll see.

I really think Slam is mafia, can you see why?

On September 05 2015 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Here is my read evolution of Breshke:
- I saw a post i think makes no sense from town perspective.
- I asked him about it.
- He answered, and then i said "it does not make any sense from town perspective".
- I pushed him further, because i wanted a reaction (a better elaboration, in case he is town) and i wanted to make sure he knows i have my eyes on him because he CAN be lazy as town, but if he is town i don't want to allow him to be lazy, and i wanted him to know he does know that.
- He said "okay, my post was indeed fluff, but idk what to expect from people at that point of the game"
- That makes sense to me, i didn't even originally think about that. But now that he said it it makes a bit more sense.
- Then i responded him basically with saying "if you are town you will play, okay"
- After that his posting has been better, so i have a reason to believe he is not in fact mafia -> his behavior now to me makes more sense.

I focused onto both Breshke and Glowingbear at the same time. I already knew what i would say regarding how GB answers me. I want to cut out the stupidity from this game. Again, i have not been pushing GB, and again, i don't even care if he is mafia or not, he earned himself a spot in "ignore pile", if someone else wants to figure him out do it. I think it's more likely that he is mafia fro what i have said but i am not sure.

My "timing" on Breshke/GB thing has nothing to do with anything for reals.

I think the most likely people who are mafia in this game atm are Slam & Noobking.

On September 05 2015 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am not talking about thread sentiment and neither is Slam.
He is saying that if you are mafia you very well know what i mean and you know it's a reason to call Slam mafia, even without me ACTUALLY saying it.
Which i totally agree with it.

On September 05 2015 12:10 Alakaslam wrote:

Mafia.

What the hell kind of two birds and no reasoning at all, just sleeping Rayn which Rayn has posted so much he probably thought it was town sentiment.

Another reason my Rayn respect is high.

On September 05 2015 13:07 n00bKing wrote:

Why?

On September 05 2015 13:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yes, you could be "sheeping me" because you know i think Slam could be mafia for the same reasons you laid out.
That's what he is saying, or like, that's his conclusion. Which is not totally out of this world.

On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:

Dude is this your first time being scum?

For your next game: you skimmed the thread and picked up on the general few people weakly agreeing with what Rayn mentioned all the time in passing and made a few strong key statements about.

This made you think there was good reason and thread sentiment there to get me lynched.

Rayn has been dissonant In a way the people at smashboards think is a tell (I am a little surprised none of the newbies except NK picked up on it) because they aren't so good as they think they are.

Rayn has talked about me in a post saying I am just shy of confirmed scum and then voted someone else. He was pushing me hard, saying a good bit about NK, and then BAM- votes NK, not me.

That's usually considered scummy, but I know what he is doing and besides it isn't actually as scummy as people think.

Regardless, it threw you off but set you up with an excuse to vote me. This is also why k am hoping GB is on your team.

On September 05 2015 13:55 Alakaslam wrote:

It threw you off because in skimming you thought Rayn had not pushed me much because in his actual posts WHOLLY about me, he didn't- and he voted noob

But he actually was pushing me a lot

He has said so himself because he knows he did. You failed to see that though; you have not been reading and were willing to vote for pretty foul reasons when there were reasons based on posting in the thread.

On September 05 2015 14:17 Alakaslam wrote:

I found 9 clear posts to your 3.

Slander. My vote isn't moving anywhere

On September 05 2015 10:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

98%

On September 06 2015 11:00 CopCake wrote:
when is end of the phase?

On September 06 2015 11:41 n00bKing wrote:

And this topic is not where we vote. In this topic, I could act like I'm voting against rayn, or against myself, or against Santa Claus, and none of it will move the vote count. I have only voted against CopCake.

I feel like this question might be better to answer at the end of Night 1, than during Day 1. But I will think about it.

On September 06 2015 13:55 n00bKing wrote:

*sigh* Did you forget about this exchange already? [underlining added for emphasis]

There is more to it than just a read on rayn. And the Mafia have other actions that I can affect besides just their NK target.

On September 06 2015 14:37 n00bKing wrote:

Firstly...WHERE?

Secondly, that would mean nothing, even if it actually happened. Have you heard of lying?

1) I am not being purposely confusing at all.
2) I don't merely "think" I can influence Mafia Night Actions. I've done it more times than I could count.
3) You are not really going to sit there and tell me that your poor wittle brain cannot figure out the concept of Town players withholding information. Do only Mafia players refuse to share their thoughts with the rest of the players, Breshke?

On September 05 2015 20:23 CoughingHydra wrote:
It's not "fair" since some of you can base your conclusions on previous games. Also 20 pages already... But anyway, my thoughts.

First there was this convo about GB claiming vigi. I think it should be noted here that start setup is only know by mafia and blue roles (except cop and miller). The discussion went relatively constructive imo. Next, there was some pressuring going on it seems, noob voting ryan and breshke voting slam. After reading through the discussion, I don't know what to think of cake (with his funky posting) and breshke (case vs slam felt shaky and odd), but the rest seem town aligned for now (except for the people that didn't post at all obv).

On September 07 2015 08:26 NocturneMage wrote:
I'm thinking one possible focus are the more or less under the radar players. n00b said something along the lines of rayn "doing all the work for them" not saying the entire team is inactive but they can afford to lay back if town are stumbling about in the wrong direction.

Alakaslam. Breshke, boxerfred, MD to a lesser extent.

I had a null on yamato until his eod activity, and thinking he's probable town.

Went through Breshke filter just now. The post 858 he has says something about slam being townie for backing down, and it seemed to be based on tone. Slam had attributed some tinfoil theory that made him back off Breshke, but reading Breshke's filter the manner in which he pushed slam was townie. But then the drop just seems pretty weak.

Slam could be trying to appease him, it seems from the games I've read or observed, people tend to be biased or townread them for townreading them back regardless of alignment. Doesn't vindicate slam, at least I don't think it should, but it doesn't necessarily mean Breshke is mafia from this.

The only thing that gave me pause was when he looked at other people. Also 858.

"I'm probably okay with lynching noobking. For how much he has been in the thread I don't actually remember him pushing much of anything"

Pretty sure n00b was interacting/pushing rayn at least the first half of the cycle.

On September 07 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:
JESUS I SAID I WAS VIGI BECAUSE MAFIA KNOW THE ROLES SO I WOULDNT BE SHOT AR NIHJT

On September 05 2015 11:32 GlowingBear wrote:


Meh, I don't know. I'm not sure about you. I really dislike your pushes on me and Breshke because I think they were out of place. You should know what I was trying to do. Well, Breshke does. No use talking about it.
I think the biggest problem is your read on yamato. It's off. It's still too early to call him town + I didn't like his opening, felt forced.

On September 07 2015 11:10 scott31337 wrote:


So In theory GB's claim will solve itself tomorrow and it's why I personally did not want to drain on it, but makes me curious why want you want to tonight - time zones?

Do you think the claim is bullshit?

Who else do you think are mafia?

On September 07 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:
JESUS I SAID I WAS VIGI BECAUSE MAFIA KNOW THE ROLES SO I WOULDNT BE SHOT AR NIHJT

On September 07 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:


So he just checks me at night if he is smart.

Then he gets a green check on me and I keep alive.

That's why I didn't want to talk about my claim.

On September 05 2015 11:32 GlowingBear wrote:


Meh, I don't know. I'm not sure about you. I really dislike your pushes on me and Breshke because I think they were out of place. You should know what I was trying to do. Well, Breshke does. No use talking about it.
I think the biggest problem is your read on yamato. It's off. It's still too early to call him town + I didn't like his opening, felt forced.

On September 07 2015 07:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:

im not up for this. gb's thought process makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. why would he think cop would check him unless he's godfather???

On September 07 2015 07:27 Fidei86 wrote:
yeah, you guys were right, no way I build a wagon on MD now. So I have to move to NK. Ugh.

On September 07 2015 12:09 Breshke wrote:





Contradicts with the bolded in this

On September 08 2015 08:26 Alakaslam wrote:

Wut

How

On September 08 2015 08:29 NocturneMage wrote:


Does he actually have a history of doing this? I don't know what town motivation it would be to fakeclaim a role when you risk drawing out a blue role. And shouldn't someone experienced (I was coached by him last game??) know better?

On September 08 2015 10:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:

do you think my case is good tho?

On September 09 2015 06:54 Superbia wrote:


Lynch it with fire.

On September 07 2015 06:53 scott31337 wrote:
N00b is putting in a lot of posting and got a slight move up, but like what rayn says - he's not pushing anyone - like he's waiting to see what happens - and that makes me worried - He looks worse than the rest in the game - still #2.
GB - I went over this already - #1 - voting him now
I think Copcake's town and am not seeing the reasoning for him.

GlowingBear (5): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, yamato77, Fidei86
copcake (3): n00bking, moosydoosy, nocturnemage
n00bking (3): CopCake, boxerfred, Superbia
Alakaslam (1): Breshke
scott310337 (1): GlowingBear

the GB wagon looks pure and I think every one on him is town.

On September 10 2015 07:55 Superbia wrote:
Oh yeah, cop should probably out check 10 seconds before EoN. Unless your check somehow died (shouldn't have).

On September 10 2015 08:21 Superbia wrote:


Roleblocker? Are you dumbtelling? We know the setup now.

On September 10 2015 09:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:

"people to look into" is my way of saying i think they're mafia and i just need to do a combination of scrape together tone reads/find thread evidence/ask more questions.

null is my way of saying...no real opinion.

i've been doing this for a while now from previous games if you'd care to check.

On September 10 2015 09:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:

nope i just need to take a look at ur filter because to be frank, and whether this is good or not, i don't really remember you.

huh? fidei was 2nd on gb for d2. it's WIFOM at best, but it's within the realm of a bus. d1 fidei just really sheeped rayn and his voting was rather low profile. d2 was an easy way to buy town cred looking at how rayn was going at glowingbear and a lot of people were already expressing doubt about glowingbear's claim.

but as i said, i might be focusing too much on people that were looking into me and i'll have to relook at filters. i still want answers to my questions from fidei as well.

On September 10 2015 10:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
moosy + superbia mafia.

On September 10 2015 10:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:

? i've already explained my thought process behind the "inconsistencies" you've pointed out but you just don't accept it. like sure, i've accepted that you're tunneled so just make a case on end of night and hopefully you're at least right on superbia. either way, it's pretty dumb of mafia to kill you here because your claim about being a doctor was obviously false.

On September 10 2015 11:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:

rayn was confident enough in his read on GB to do his doc claim shenanigans. i also thought that what had been said about gb was actually pretty spot on.

On September 10 2015 14:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I would need to check this out but didn't you believe GB was scum in the first place on D2?
Like how does it make sense your read on Fidei changes when you already think "GB is scum = true"?

On September 11 2015 07:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i've been trying to tryhard and help town from d1 but all people to do is go tunnel and act like complete dumbasses and not even listen to any of my reads or my advice on what we shoul ddo.

On September 11 2015 07:50 Breshke wrote:
MD has the flip changed your reads at all?

Do you still want to lynch cake? Who is the other mafia?

On September 11 2015 08:49 scott31337 wrote:


I think it's over the top.

Let's Look at his perspective
Super mad he's right but town doesn't listen and is vocal about it.

Wants to lynch Cop cake, but what if she flips town? Do we lynch moosy then?
Who's the other mafia?

On September 11 2015 11:06 Alakaslam wrote:

How do you know they did not derp?

And besides who says it isn't the jailkeeper setup then? Though I would then wonder as Moosy does why Rayn wasn't guarded XD

On September 11 2015 11:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Huh. You’re right. I didn’t think about the possibility of a role cop.

On September 11 2015 11:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Good to see you understand my frustration then. As for your earlier question on who I think is Mafia, it's CopCake and then most likely boxerfred. After that I would have to really re-look between Superbia/Breshke.

On September 11 2015 11:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I will wait to see Superbia's stance on what he wants to do Day 2 then decide. In the meantime, I suggest you re-look at CopCake's filter because there are a ton of the inconsistencies that you seem to love to point out.

On September 11 2015 11:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:

w0w is this the night kill WIFOM you told me to not think about?!?!??

Although she was nowhere around, I wouldn't put it past her to think that rayn was the doctor like everyone else (except me) and go for the kill.

On September 11 2015 11:48 Alakaslam wrote:
CopCake is this game's rsoultin and there WILL be an elitebluehunter

On September 12 2015 00:15 Superbia wrote:


Because you have to hide from mafia and check the right people. You can't play as freely as you if you would be a PR.

Did you just wake up or what?

On September 12 2015 00:40 Superbia wrote:
But I don't think you're PR, lol.

On September 12 2015 00:39 Superbia wrote:


Like you make a horrible joke post which from another person's perspective, looks like you're calling rayn/yamato town, and might be TMI. So rayn/yamato call you out for it and instead of evaluating.







What did you think of rayn/yamato calling you out for that? Why did you react so bitterly? What were you expecting?

On September 12 2015 00:46 Superbia wrote:


I have re-evaluated on who the PRs are. That's what changed.

On September 12 2015 01:50 Superbia wrote:


Wrong. I reached the conclusion that moosy and breshke aren't together. I believe that you should have realized breshke and myself might not be together. Especially since you have so many nulls during n2. You see us arguing and instead of evaluating one of your many null-reads, you reach the conclusion that this is a set up play. What?

On September 12 2015 10:46 NocturneMage wrote:


atm I'm still reading his filter - two main list posts he's left you out I see that but still going through his filter.

but I don't think fidei is mafia for his observations, and certainly not the push on you. not from what I remember reading at first.

On September 12 2015 14:04 CopCake wrote:
There is some stuff that is irking me, i re read the whole thread so

But first of all I want to ask you guys this:

Why do you think sup is scum?

On September 13 2015 04:49 Superbia wrote:
Ugh breshke. Give me a second.

On September 13 2015 04:50 Superbia wrote:
Like if this is leading you to lynch me it's horrible dude.

On September 13 2015 04:54 Fidei86 wrote:
I'm back. I got really drunk last night and today has basically been a right-off. But I'm now about until EOD. Breshke's claim is believable, and if there was a CC then it should probably have been made already, so let's move off him. I'm going to Superbia for now, but I'm going to do a re-read and reconsider.

##Unvote
##Vote: Superbia

On September 13 2015 04:56 Fidei86 wrote:
@Bresh out of interest, how come you could save people twice in a row? The rules on that look pretty clear...

On September 13 2015 05:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Moosy hates you breshke

On September 13 2015 05:04 Alakaslam wrote:

Does it not make you scumread him at all?

On September 13 2015 05:06 Superbia wrote:
Breshke what do you think the target should be?

On September 13 2015 05:08 Superbia wrote:
Breshke, is it possible you did not get roleblocked but rso did not process your actions because it went against your role nerf?

On September 13 2015 05:14 Alakaslam wrote:

I THOUGHT YOU WERE HE ONR PUSHING FIDEU

WTF

WHO IS WHAT

WHAT

Why where you voting me eod d2 and why do you think super would insta bus GB who had survived?

On September 13 2015 05:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Wait, so just to clarify Breshke. Were you blocked by the rules or by a role block?

On September 13 2015 05:28 NocturneMage wrote:


on the fight? town on town then. weird but your explanations make sense once I read them. to me superbia was making sense the whole time.