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On September 01 2015 14:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Do you not enjoy reading my filters?
Sometimes I ogle my own filters because I adore myself.
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On September 01 2015 14:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Oh btw, I'm totally leaving myself open to lynch either ritoky or TT.
Just in case you thought it was only implied.
Do you have a personal preference or will you go with the flow and vote with the majority?
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On September 01 2015 21:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@JJ: Yeah, I'm probably just going to vote with the majority.
I can accept the fact that someone here probably knows more than I do because I haven't put the effort in to find the best lynch myself.
lol lets say its 3-3 and comes down to ObiWanShinobi, town's only hope. Who are you voting for?
On September 01 2015 15:07 Tictock wrote:
The reason I say I feel like his lynch isn't too informative is because there is less contention there. It's the mechanical easy play, (Everyone not on Rayn wagon - green checks = Obi) and it will still be there tomorrow so I'm inclined to leave him alone another day.
I'm still not sure I understand what you are saying here. Could you rephrase it in some way?
On September 01 2015 20:40 Fidei86 wrote:
Now Damdred can be explained away - as a confirmed third party
Do we have a check on Damdred that 100% confirms him as third party or is this based on taking the survivor claim at face value and agreeing that he has been rather pro-town this game? All I recall is LT's claimed check and you receiving a message about the brown.
On September 01 2015 20:40 Fidei86 wrote:
But Chez? Chez wasn't in the mafia QT, as far as we know, so if they didn't know Chez was a traitor, RBing him without knowing his role was super dangerous. Like, if Chez flips town (and there's nothing to say rit would have known he wouldn't) then we auto lynch rit.
On August 31 2015 01:48 JudgeJudy wrote:
Well chez received his mason power on n2 from his upgrade so we know he couldn't have used that power on n1. ritoky claims to have roleblocked him on n2 so if he is town, we know he couldn't have used that power on n2. That leaves three scenarios where chez could have came in contact with the scum team.
1) chez successfully checked a scum on n3 and they became masons.
2) Ritoky did not roleblock chez on n2, they came in contact on night two, and ritoky claimed the roleblock after learning chez was the traitor.
3) geript used his mason power with chez and they connected that way.
I don't think scenario 3 makes a ton of sense because even if geript were mafia, that would mean he would need to claim mafia to chez at a point where he didn't necessarily know chez's alignment. I don't think that's worth the risk.
Scenario two is possible, but lying when there isn't a huge deal to gain at that point also doesn't seem worth the risk.
I think scenario one is almost a certainty. Nobody claimed that they received a mason quicktopic from chezinu. Here are the scenarios that I could come up with:
1) chez chose never to use his role
2) chez used his role on a player that died night three and the mason was never initiated
3) chez masoned damdred and damdred chose not to reveal things because he has no reason to
4) chez masoned a mafia player, made contact and the mason was never claimed
I'm going to eliminate 1 and 2 right off the bat because they don't make a ton of sense. I can't eliminate 3, but if chez is looking for mafia players, he likely doesn't think the third party claimer is mafia. Perhaps he wanted to gain information regarding whether damdred was a non-survivor role, but he never passed that information on to mafia prior to his death in the thread if they weren't in contact otherwise.
That leaves scenario 4, which I think is the most likely. He contacted mafia on night three since a town player would have claimed it. .
Here is my analysis that chezinu did indeed make contact with the mafia team at some point. Not sure if this answers what you are looking for, but it is based on the assumption that no town player ever claimed the receiving the mason qt from chezinu, which means he either didn't use his ability which doesn't make a lot of sense or he sucessfully contacted mafia.
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On September 01 2015 23:11 Fidei86 wrote:
I think Rels checked Damdred n1 and got the 3P result.
Ah yes, you're right.
On September 01 2015 22:52 JudgeJudy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2015 21:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@JJ: Yeah, I'm probably just going to vote with the majority.
I can accept the fact that someone here probably knows more than I do because I haven't put the effort in to find the best lynch myself. lol lets say its 3-3 and comes down to ObiWanShinobi, town's only hope. Who are you voting for? Show nested quote +On September 01 2015 15:07 Tictock wrote:
The reason I say I feel like his lynch isn't too informative is because there is less contention there. It's the mechanical easy play, (Everyone not on Rayn wagon - green checks = Obi) and it will still be there tomorrow so I'm inclined to leave him alone another day. I'm still not sure I understand what you are saying here. Could you rephrase it in some way? Show nested quote +On September 01 2015 20:40 Fidei86 wrote:
Now Damdred can be explained away - as a confirmed third party Do we have a check on Damdred that 100% confirms him as third party or is this based on taking the survivor claim at face value and agreeing that he has been rather pro-town this game? All I recall is LT's claimed check and you receiving a message about the brown. Show nested quote +On September 01 2015 20:40 Fidei86 wrote:
But Chez? Chez wasn't in the mafia QT, as far as we know, so if they didn't know Chez was a traitor, RBing him without knowing his role was super dangerous. Like, if Chez flips town (and there's nothing to say rit would have known he wouldn't) then we auto lynch rit. Show nested quote +On August 31 2015 01:48 JudgeJudy wrote:
Well chez received his mason power on n2 from his upgrade so we know he couldn't have used that power on n1. ritoky claims to have roleblocked him on n2 so if he is town, we know he couldn't have used that power on n2. That leaves three scenarios where chez could have came in contact with the scum team.
1) chez successfully checked a scum on n3 and they became masons.
2) Ritoky did not roleblock chez on n2, they came in contact on night two, and ritoky claimed the roleblock after learning chez was the traitor.
3) geript used his mason power with chez and they connected that way.
I don't think scenario 3 makes a ton of sense because even if geript were mafia, that would mean he would need to claim mafia to chez at a point where he didn't necessarily know chez's alignment. I don't think that's worth the risk.
Scenario two is possible, but lying when there isn't a huge deal to gain at that point also doesn't seem worth the risk.
I think scenario one is almost a certainty. Nobody claimed that they received a mason quicktopic from chezinu. Here are the scenarios that I could come up with:
1) chez chose never to use his role
2) chez used his role on a player that died night three and the mason was never initiated
3) chez masoned damdred and damdred chose not to reveal things because he has no reason to
4) chez masoned a mafia player, made contact and the mason was never claimed
I'm going to eliminate 1 and 2 right off the bat because they don't make a ton of sense. I can't eliminate 3, but if chez is looking for mafia players, he likely doesn't think the third party claimer is mafia. Perhaps he wanted to gain information regarding whether damdred was a non-survivor role, but he never passed that information on to mafia prior to his death in the thread if they weren't in contact otherwise.
That leaves scenario 4, which I think is the most likely. He contacted mafia on night three since a town player would have claimed it. . Here is my analysis that chezinu did indeed make contact with the mafia team at some point. Not sure if this answers what you are looking for, but it is based on the assumption that no town player ever claimed the receiving the mason qt from chezinu, which means he either didn't use his ability which doesn't make a lot of sense or he sucessfully contacted mafia.
That post is a bit outdated because it was written at a point where I was thinking ritoky was a town roleblocker, but yeah it would need to be the scenario 2 (the first scenario 2).
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On September 02 2015 00:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also I'd shoot Tt.
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What made you come to that decision?
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Can someone highlight the case against TT because I haven't really seen a good one yet aside from a point here or there or a general "well somebody has to be scum so I guess it may be him" read.
On August 24 2015 05:52 Tictock wrote:
How about we all switch to rayn?
Rels is being pushed too easily imo, plus he's doing stuff.
Rayn is suddenly sheeping geript who he said was mafia last night and hasn't given anything solid for his scumread on rels.
He was part of the rayn swap and he was even one of the first people to bring it up. If four mafia are on Rels with tube showing up at the last second to hammer, what exactly is the play here? For TT to totally make the others look terrible, sacrifice the rest of the team, and hope he makes it to end game by himself? It seems a lot easier just to go along with the yamato lynch or whatever he finds interesting.
There is evidence in his filter that he is looking back to try to understand stuff. Is there something else that I am overlooking? Like what makes him look better than ritoky? Heck, I'd lynch obi before TT at the moment.
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On September 02 2015 02:44 geript wrote:
@jJ part of it is how his townplay in previous games I would classify as rudimentary. Like in XIII I think it was he was scum reading Rayn for being too aggressive. Basically a lot of his reads when he's town come almost primarily from types of reads you see from newer players. But this game his reads are far more sophisticated. Like instead of being only partly right post D2, he's solely been picking the 'right' wagons. His posts are kinda generic instead of pretty heavily opinionated; which is more similar to his scum game. Plus, it looks very much like he's realized he can Poe-wise allow both ritoky and I to be confirmed town; but still shifts towards other targets while keeping ritoky open as that stance becomes untenable. Like there's no one sure fire thing. It's just a bunch of little stuff.
Well to be fair, those were newbie games and he was a newer player at that point. I guess I see what you're saying with the mafia game being more structured, rather than summaries of events/quotes like I see in the first few.
Personally I'm not very familiar with how TT plays in general and I'm not a big meta guy to begin with, however reading through the Holy Guardians game that you linked, one thing I noticed in his mafia game was that he was willing to give null or scum reads on his buddies, but when push comes to shove, he voted for the mislynch.
On June 14 2015 05:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Day 4 Vote Count
Scott (3): Damdred, VisceraEyes, Tictock, milo109, NydusHerMain
NydusHerMain(4): Damdred, Scott, VisceraEyes, Onegu
On June 17 2015 05:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 5 Vote Count
Scott31337 (3): Tictock, VisceraEyes, milo109
milo109 (2): Scott31337, Onegu
Twice this happened where the lynch was decided by a single vote and on both occasions he went after the town player rather than bussing his mafia buddy for cred. On day four it was a losing battle where he was on the wrong side of a mafia lynch, yet his vote didn't budge. It seems like the better play there would have been to bus and win the game on day 5. The sample size for his mafia games is small, but does a day two bus of rayn seem like something that lines up with his general behavior as mafia because it doesn't seem like it.
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On September 02 2015 04:09 geript wrote:
A point in your favor there is that ritoky's RB choices are pretty goddamn awful (HTS, Chez, Me, Damdred).
That point is really important though. As a town roleblocker, you've got an incredibly powerful role, you're essentially a cop plus a medic because you can block the mafia kp and then when the kp never shows up, you can lynch the guy you blocked.
He is roleblocking the towny HTS, the claimed survivor who almost certainly isn't carrying out the mafia kp, and yourself, the guy who already has a green check on him. Like the only good claimed rb was chez. He thought you of all people was the guy most likely to carry out the mafia kp last night?
All today he attacks me for arguing against the "99%" confirmed town, yet here he is roleblocking another "99%" confirmed town to try to stop the mafia kp. There is a reason he has to do this though. He already claimed rb so he has to claim targeting someone, yet he can't block someone like me, obi or TT because that would mean his lynch pool is reduced by one each time he confirms another player. Doesn't this make sense to you?
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On September 02 2015 04:58 geript wrote:
Do your bomb(s) go off you get lynched JJ?
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Yessir.
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On September 02 2015 05:59 ritoky wrote:
oh, it's still not decided. it's pretty simple everyone. i am green checked. the only real claim against my green check is that i was framed which is plain unlikely, mostly because framing defensively as mafia is pretty meh in general. there's some other stupid shit about me being the only person to visit hts, but it was disproven cuz multiple kp can be carried by an individual aka the untrackable dude.
the simple reality of this game is that mafia have to ml me today or they are going to lose. they cannot nk me because there are not enough mls in the game outside of me being in the list for them to win. they also must ml me asap because as the #s dwindle i get a better shot at blocking their kp, confirming my alignment, and finding mafia 100% and probably ending the game. it really is as simple as that.
Why did you RB damdred on n3 and geript on n4, rather than a mafia read?
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On September 02 2015 06:11 Damdred wrote:
That was the same night ff checked lt and his check was messed with but he knew hew avant rb because his other check went through.
But FF checked LT and got no result. If LT were framed, he would have shown up as green, wouldn't he? Every framer I've ever seen makes the player return the opposite result.
On September 02 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2015 06:04 JudgeJudy wrote:On September 02 2015 05:59 ritoky wrote:
oh, it's still not decided. it's pretty simple everyone. i am green checked. the only real claim against my green check is that i was framed which is plain unlikely, mostly because framing defensively as mafia is pretty meh in general. there's some other stupid shit about me being the only person to visit hts, but it was disproven cuz multiple kp can be carried by an individual aka the untrackable dude.
the simple reality of this game is that mafia have to ml me today or they are going to lose. they cannot nk me because there are not enough mls in the game outside of me being in the list for them to win. they also must ml me asap because as the #s dwindle i get a better shot at blocking their kp, confirming my alignment, and finding mafia 100% and probably ending the game. it really is as simple as that. Why did you RB damdred on n3 and geript on n4, rather than a mafia read? n3 cult paranoia n4 geript cuz bunch of green checks got rescinded and i wanted to conf him as town
But FecalFeast still had his green check on geript and flipped day four. You felt that there was a higher chance that geript was framed and that you could stop his kp than blocking me, JJ, or obi was mafia? Like who cares if a check was rescinded. You only need 1 check from a flipped cop.
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On September 02 2015 06:22 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2015 06:20 Damdred wrote:
You idiots read the,mafia role they don't show up as free they show up as untraceable and uncheckable What are you talking about? I think your mis-remembering things. Tube never got his upgrade.
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Yeah I think you need to re-read damdred.
He was a framer whose frame could be upgraded to also add in untraceable and uncheckable, which he never achieved.
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I think you should claim too TT for what it is worth.
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On September 02 2015 06:56 Tictock wrote:Ok, I didn't want to do this, but I'll claim. I am God![[image loading]](https://media0.giphy.com/media/J4JN1fW9HsOHu/200.gif) Freewill is an illusion. We are lynching ritoky today.
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lol going to break my heart if my anger management therapist betrayed me 
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Sigh I just want this game to be over to be honest.
Sorry ritoky, I guess :/
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On September 02 2015 07:17 Damdred wrote:
So if we have two mafia
3 v 2 v 1
Nk
Game is over just because
One mafia
4 v 1 v 1
Nk
3 v 1 v 1
Ml
Game over because reasons
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If it's 3 v 1 v 1 and TT is actually mafia won't his double vote and vote rigger simply mean he has control of the lynch tomorrow?
I guess that also means that if TT is town and he lives, mafia have to shoot him or he gets to choose tomorrow too?
Also, what "reasons"? You saying that if it was 1 v 1 v 1 you would just end the game by siding with mafia?
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On September 02 2015 08:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2015 08:47 Tictock wrote:On September 02 2015 08:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
TT I'm taking your powers away btw.
If you've got anything that can make you look slightly less awful then claim them. So your claiming a sorta role blocking ability? Before you said it was only to people who visited you and was one shot. No, I'm claiming vanillizer. I never full claimed my role.
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Who have you used it on so far or is it 1-shot?
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On September 02 2015 09:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2015 09:09 Tictock wrote:On September 02 2015 09:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On September 02 2015 08:59 Tictock wrote:
Ok, so Obi vanilizes me so you guys can for sure lynch me tomorrow.
After that who are you all lynching?
Kus if I'm mafia I for sure didn't make this play w/o someone else being around to carry the endgame. Maybe I don't take your powers away. If you're the runaway vote you're dead anyway. Who should I vanillize? Well I assume your ability just takes away role powers, but it wouldn't actually stop KP or anything right? Honestly I can't think of someone else who is good to use that on based on the info we have. Assuming everyone is being honest about their role abilities I'm the pretty clear target. Does your ability affect night actions? or is it only valid the cycle after you use it? I have no idea how to use it. I put no thought into it because it sounded hilariously anti town so I left it alone. I guess I could use it now but it probably only affects the night sequence afterwards, which is not very useful.
Why didn't you use it on KSC? Like you nuked the guy so you thought he was most likely to mafia. Yet you thought it would be anti-town to strip him of his power that night?
On September 02 2015 08:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Oh no it's totally multishot. It lasts for a day and a night sequence.
The only person I've ever used it on was yamato.
Also, I assume you used your power on yamato night 2 after he used his anti-nuke on chez?
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On September 02 2015 09:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I guess I could use it now but it probably only affects the night sequence afterwards, which is not very useful.
On September 02 2015 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The Rb wouldn't.
I'm a bit confused here. Does your action turn them vanilla the night you use it or the night afterwards?
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Damdred, what's your full role? I assume you're not just a vanilla survivor right? You've pushed everyone else to claim so I don't see a reason why your actions should remain a secret.
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