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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 31 2015 20:32 GMT
#3801
On September 01 2015 05:22 Damdred wrote:
Anyway I just want to hear why tt claims he doesn't have an active ability but visited people last night.

And who he visited and why


?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 31 2015 20:38 GMT
#3802
Yes ritoky?
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 31 2015 20:40 GMT
#3803
Where did that info come from, did I miss it?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 31 2015 20:41 GMT
#3804
Giw about we let him answer or just vote him
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 31 2015 20:43 GMT
#3805
I know I know it's a tantelizing bit of information and I wish he was here.
JudgeJudy
Profile Joined August 2015
188 Posts
August 31 2015 21:01 GMT
#3806
On September 01 2015 05:32 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 05:22 Damdred wrote:
Anyway I just want to hear why tt claims he doesn't have an active ability but visited people last night.

And who he visited and why


?


[image loading]

On September 01 2015 05:19 ritoky wrote:
@JJ you believe all of this?

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2015 12:35 ritoky wrote:
Just so everyone is clear, this is what you have to believe to not see me as confirmed, but as mafia:

1) Mafia elected to frame 1 of their own players (me) on night 2 which just so happened to be the night that a confirmed cop checked me.

2) This is a game is a game in which 1 kp is delivered by 1 player and no more.

3) The mafia chose on night 1....NIGHT 1 to NOT use their unseeable player to carry KP. Specifically to the most widely town read person in the game.

4) I would use factional KP on an afk/uninterested player in yamato AND claim it; rather than using it on a vocal player who is against me.

If you believe all of that, then you can call me not confirmed town. That is literally the world you have to live in.


If so, I don't really know what to say to you. You're living in the world of 1% rather than the world of 99%. The entire premise of what you're saying is that the game mechanically doesn't function the way in which most mafia games function and that a green check was framed on the night he happened to be investigated. If that is where you want your head to be I can't help you this game or you're not town. The confluence of events you're believing is so tinfoil.


The "99%" is a number made up on the spot. Even if tube decided to frame someone at random, excluding himself and his shot, it's going to come out much higher that that.

I've already explained where I think the pool of framer targets was by eliminating certain players and that the odds that you were selected is somewhere between 25%-50%. I admit that this means that the check is legit more often than not, but that is not the only factor my read is based on. The behavioral stuff suggests that you were mafia and relying on a blue role to determine your alignment was town didn't outweigh the other points. There is essentially a coin flip that says you were framed on night two and a coin flip that says you killed HTS on night one. They cancel themselves out in my mind so I'm sticking with the behavioral stuff. I don't doubt that tube carried out an untrackable kill on night one, but there were two kills. I'm saying there is a 50% chance he killed HTS and a 50% chance he killed wave. Like I said, I'm eliminating the blue stuff completely. On day one you pushed fidei all cycle long as part of your role, even though you didn't need to. On day two, you pushed FF via RNG admitted that rayn was probably mafia, yet your vote remained on FF and you didn't bring him up again. You say your upgrade worked in a way that you had to vote these players, but everyone else has a role that works differently and even if that role is real, there is no way that giving up your vote for the first two days is worth it.

I'm obviously not going to be able to convince you that you're mafia. Either you aren't or you will deny it to the end. I'm mostly hoping to hear from others. Obi says he likes the case, but hasn't shared what he likes or dislikes. TT agrees as well but hasn't posted much this cycle. I have no idea where Fidei is at. The cycle is half over so we really need to hear from everyone at this point. :/
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 31 2015 21:12 GMT
#3807
On September 01 2015 06:01 JudgeJudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 05:32 ritoky wrote:
On September 01 2015 05:22 Damdred wrote:
Anyway I just want to hear why tt claims he doesn't have an active ability but visited people last night.

And who he visited and why


?


[image loading]

Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 05:19 ritoky wrote:
@JJ you believe all of this?

On August 31 2015 12:35 ritoky wrote:
Just so everyone is clear, this is what you have to believe to not see me as confirmed, but as mafia:

1) Mafia elected to frame 1 of their own players (me) on night 2 which just so happened to be the night that a confirmed cop checked me.

2) This is a game is a game in which 1 kp is delivered by 1 player and no more.

3) The mafia chose on night 1....NIGHT 1 to NOT use their unseeable player to carry KP. Specifically to the most widely town read person in the game.

4) I would use factional KP on an afk/uninterested player in yamato AND claim it; rather than using it on a vocal player who is against me.

If you believe all of that, then you can call me not confirmed town. That is literally the world you have to live in.


If so, I don't really know what to say to you. You're living in the world of 1% rather than the world of 99%. The entire premise of what you're saying is that the game mechanically doesn't function the way in which most mafia games function and that a green check was framed on the night he happened to be investigated. If that is where you want your head to be I can't help you this game or you're not town. The confluence of events you're believing is so tinfoil.


The "99%" is a number made up on the spot. Even if tube decided to frame someone at random, excluding himself and his shot, it's going to come out much higher that that.

I've already explained where I think the pool of framer targets was by eliminating certain players and that the odds that you were selected is somewhere between 25%-50%. I admit that this means that the check is legit more often than not, but that is not the only factor my read is based on. The behavioral stuff suggests that you were mafia and relying on a blue role to determine your alignment was town didn't outweigh the other points. There is essentially a coin flip that says you were framed on night two and a coin flip that says you killed HTS on night one. They cancel themselves out in my mind so I'm sticking with the behavioral stuff. I don't doubt that tube carried out an untrackable kill on night one, but there were two kills. I'm saying there is a 50% chance he killed HTS and a 50% chance he killed wave. Like I said, I'm eliminating the blue stuff completely. On day one you pushed fidei all cycle long as part of your role, even though you didn't need to. On day two, you pushed FF via RNG admitted that rayn was probably mafia, yet your vote remained on FF and you didn't bring him up again. You say your upgrade worked in a way that you had to vote these players, but everyone else has a role that works differently and even if that role is real, there is no way that giving up your vote for the first two days is worth it.

I'm obviously not going to be able to convince you that you're mafia. Either you aren't or you will deny it to the end. I'm mostly hoping to hear from others. Obi says he likes the case, but hasn't shared what he likes or dislikes. TT agrees as well but hasn't posted much this cycle. I have no idea where Fidei is at. The cycle is half over so we really need to hear from everyone at this point. :/


To me this is your read:
1) ritoky didn't do town shit the first two days -> I agree, I was roleplaying and rng voting for an upgrade and pretty much ignoring most of what was going on.

2) mechanics that don't make sense -> most games i have played and a past onegu game have allowed multiple kp to be delivered by a solitary player so you're believing this game is different from others.

3) how to get around a green check -> there were what? 17 people alive when I was investigated? So based on pure rng it was a 5.8% chance I was checked, let's assume it wasn't so random and double it. you're looking @ 11.6%. on top of that you're also assuming the mafia elected to use a frame defensively rather than offensively and on me which probably cuts that number in half again back to around 5.8%.

4) knowing upgrade -> yup, it's weird that i knew mine from minute 1. i can't explain it

5) since day 2 has ended ritoky has done nothing but be town in every way possible including being green checked, shooting a 3p lurker and outting to dunk a mafia, but give him 0 credit and only focus on first 2 days.

To me, that is a flimsy read. It relies entirely on speculative mechanics that historically don't hold up and really just seems to be trying to make an excuse to get around a green check.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
August 31 2015 21:25 GMT
#3808
@JJ I've been scum reading ritoky all game, I agree with everything you wrote and I 100% think we should lynch riotoky. I'm phone posting atm because I was away with friends all weekend.

Ritoky's response to you only further cements my read because he seems to misrepresent some of your key points (particularly viz the framing).
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 31 2015 21:32 GMT
#3809
@JJ who are your bombs on?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
August 31 2015 21:40 GMT
#3810
@JJ: I've got gym time soon so I'll comment on stuff later tonight.
I'm just fillering and checking in atm.
Retired.
JudgeJudy
Profile Joined August 2015
188 Posts
August 31 2015 21:46 GMT
#3811
[image loading]

On September 01 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote:
2) mechanics that don't make sense -> most games i have played and a past onegu game have allowed multiple kp to be delivered by a solitary player so you're believing this game is different from others.


But that's not true. I checked.

In Ippo, Holyflare was the godfather who happened to be untrackable, but three different players from the mafia team had to carry out the kp to three different individuals. Sure, HF could shoot a single player for "12KP", but that's only because Ippo had a HP based system that doesn't translate to this game.

What other onegu game are you referring to?

On September 01 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote:
5) since day 2 has ended ritoky has done nothing but be town in every way possible including being green checked, shooting a 3p lurker and outting to dunk a mafia, but give him 0 credit and only focus on first 2 days.


Well like I said, LT and chezinu had red checks on them. If you get credit for those lynches, then everyone does (except geript). I liked the yamato shot. I'll give you that. But again, I don't see it out of the question for a mafia player to shoot a non-mafia yamato.

On September 01 2015 06:32 ritoky wrote:
@JJ who are your bombs on?


Forgive me for not informing the player who I think is mafia the answer to that
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 31 2015 21:58 GMT
#3812
On September 01 2015 06:46 JudgeJudy wrote:
[image loading]

Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote:
2) mechanics that don't make sense -> most games i have played and a past onegu game have allowed multiple kp to be delivered by a solitary player so you're believing this game is different from others.


But that's not true. I checked.

In Ippo, Holyflare was the godfather who happened to be untrackable, but three different players from the mafia team had to carry out the kp to three different individuals. Sure, HF could shoot a single player for "12KP", but that's only because Ippo had a HP based system that doesn't translate to this game.

What other onegu game are you referring to?

Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote:
5) since day 2 has ended ritoky has done nothing but be town in every way possible including being green checked, shooting a 3p lurker and outting to dunk a mafia, but give him 0 credit and only focus on first 2 days.


Well like I said, LT and chezinu had red checks on them. If you get credit for those lynches, then everyone does (except geript). I liked the yamato shot. I'll give you that. But again, I don't see it out of the question for a mafia player to shoot a non-mafia yamato.

Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 06:32 ritoky wrote:
@JJ who are your bombs on?


Forgive me for not informing the player who I think is mafia the answer to that


I also checked, in ippo HF delivered 2 kp on the final night and most nights of the game.

I am sitting here asking about your bombs because you have potential auto if you have a bomb on OWS and me. I have a PoE of you, OWS, and TT. Lynching you would kill 2 of the 3 people in my PoE and both of the ones in yours. If the game doesn't end then town lynches TT and wins.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 31 2015 21:59 GMT
#3813
Unless you consider HFs RNG punch in that game not to be KP when all other damage was considered KP.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
JudgeJudy
Profile Joined August 2015
188 Posts
August 31 2015 22:23 GMT
#3814
On September 01 2015 06:58 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 06:46 JudgeJudy wrote:
[image loading]

On September 01 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote:
2) mechanics that don't make sense -> most games i have played and a past onegu game have allowed multiple kp to be delivered by a solitary player so you're believing this game is different from others.


But that's not true. I checked.

In Ippo, Holyflare was the godfather who happened to be untrackable, but three different players from the mafia team had to carry out the kp to three different individuals. Sure, HF could shoot a single player for "12KP", but that's only because Ippo had a HP based system that doesn't translate to this game.

What other onegu game are you referring to?

On September 01 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote:
5) since day 2 has ended ritoky has done nothing but be town in every way possible including being green checked, shooting a 3p lurker and outting to dunk a mafia, but give him 0 credit and only focus on first 2 days.


Well like I said, LT and chezinu had red checks on them. If you get credit for those lynches, then everyone does (except geript). I liked the yamato shot. I'll give you that. But again, I don't see it out of the question for a mafia player to shoot a non-mafia yamato.

On September 01 2015 06:32 ritoky wrote:
@JJ who are your bombs on?


Forgive me for not informing the player who I think is mafia the answer to that


I also checked, in ippo HF delivered 2 kp on the final night and most nights of the game.

I am sitting here asking about your bombs because you have potential auto if you have a bomb on OWS and me. I have a PoE of you, OWS, and TT. Lynching you would kill 2 of the 3 people in my PoE and both of the ones in yours. If the game doesn't end then town lynches TT and wins.


Well HF was a vig so that's a separate role. I'm referring to mafia kp. HF wouldn't have been allowed to shoot player A with 6 mafia kp and player B with 6 mafia kp.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 31 2015 22:27 GMT
#3815
The mafia kp in ippo was dividable but all of them could be carried by one person if desired
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
August 31 2015 22:38 GMT
#3816
voila
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
JudgeJudy
Profile Joined August 2015
188 Posts
August 31 2015 22:56 GMT
#3817
[image loading]

On September 01 2015 07:27 Damdred wrote:
The mafia kp in ippo was dividable but all of them could be carried by one person if desired


Yes, one person could carry all 30 to a single target based on the description in the mafia qt, but could HF have carried 12 to one player , 12 to a second player, and 6 to a third player? Based on the description, it doesn't seem like it, unless you found something that I'm missing.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 31 2015 23:10 GMT
#3818
I talked to oneg in detail because I kept rb mafia. They could spread out the kp however that one person saw fit sadly it was quite annoying
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
August 31 2015 23:23 GMT
#3819
On September 01 2015 00:08 Damdred wrote:
Tt tell me when you are here I have an important question for you


What up?

This?
On September 01 2015 05:22 Damdred wrote:
Anyway I just want to hear why tt claims he doesn't have an active ability but visited people last night.

And who he visited and why


I didn't who says I did?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
August 31 2015 23:30 GMT
#3820
Also @JJ

I'm wondering why you think geript is more likely town than rit.

I mean I get your case on rit, but there seems to be a lot more solid reasons to think Rit is possibly town than geript who basically just has the greencheck.
I can take that responsibility.
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