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On August 04 2015 03:23 yamato77 wrote: I get to lynch iGrok?! Awesome! BTW dude you should play dota with us. Can't play Dota, too busy watching TI5 | ||
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![[image loading]](https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/05/c6887d566bdbeb0fcd82e97e5df660c0.png) Tina is being an uncooperative witness. Time for some police brutality! | ||
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On August 06 2015 06:32 ruXxar wrote: Ugh this post. So much try hard, I get tired just reading it. #1 scum so far. ##Vote iGrok Yeah, I get that you're just doing this because you want to look like you have some activity, but at least this is some activity? I don't think you really believe what you said, so I'll let it slide. | ||
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On August 06 2015 06:47 ruXxar wrote: it felt like he put too much thought into it and spent too much time writing it. bolding text and polishing it to make it look real nice as if he was like "yo look at me I'm super town and I'm gonna be like super scum hunter 1000%" <--- town actions town cred GG ez game. gave me a scum vibe. My 2-line post came off as having too much effort? Hoo boy, are you in for a treat this game. Since many of you have not played with me before (and I have not played with many of you), a brief point on my meta: If I'm scum, I'll fake claim a 3rd Party Neutral Assassinating Survivor, draw multiple vigi hits and medic saves, and ultimately die but set my team up for the win. If I'm town, I'll approach the game from a mechanics-focused angle, analyzing any and all known information about the game in order to break the setup, or at least make it town favored. On day 2 or 3, I'll write up a hyper-analysis of someone I find scummy, and either convict them or clear them. This setup is Mountainous, which means no power roles at all. Some might think that this makes it impossible to approach from a mechanics standpoint, but the secret is that, as I said in my OP, Mountainous setups rely entirely on activity between players. There is no reason to lurk to avoid notice as town, because there are no power roles trying to avoid mafia notice. Play loud, play proud, play nice, and we'll all have a good game. Lurk, and you're clearly scum, either as mafia or bad town. | ||
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On August 06 2015 06:59 ruXxar wrote: well duh? never been pr so I dno, i guess you dont want to be top town, but don't think you play that much different just being pr. Ok, this makes sense, you're pretty new to mafia. I take back what I said about how you couldn't possibly believe what you had said. Yeah, as a PR you want to avoid getting hit by mafia. As mafia, the best hits are either people saying nothing (they won't be missed and won't give away who the mafia are), or the loudest people (they tend to lead the town and can get mafia lynched). PRs generally want to avoid attention without being consequence-free NKs. Obviously this depends on the PR, but as a general rule its pretty accurate. Again though, no PRs this game, no reason to lurk, so stay active, interact with people, and we'll have a nice, safe town. | ||
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If there's someone who hasn't posted at all by tomorrow, I'll definitely move to lynch them, but for right now Tina the "active lurker" is the best target. | ||
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On August 06 2015 07:17 rsoultin wrote: igrok igrok talk to me about igrok/ksc rayn prob town dunnae bout scott but don't really care right now lol >< What about myself and KSC? What are your reasons for finding rayne town? | ||
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Sure, lets read through your posts (man I wish I had filters). Paraphrased, emphasis is mine. 1) I will completely ignore this game until tomorrow, or at minimum a few hours 2) Gif. 3) teehee @ damdred 4) I agree that damdred is town, now I will be lazy and disappear. 5) Damdred is totally town. 6) Ruxx probably too. 7) Inside joke with ruxx 8) Fluff 9) I may vote iGrok because he's focused on activity. Now I will "engage lazy!soul mode" 10) iGrok is tunneling an arbitrary thing, which might be scummy, even though the reasoning is sound. Also fluff. 11) Ruxx, lets be townbuds. KSC, you aren't tunneling anyone yet, why not? 12) Fluff 13) More Fluff with Ruxx 14) Ruxx, you post a lot. iGrok, your lectures aren't game-relevant. 15) @Rayne, I think Ruxx is town. 16) @rayne, sarcastic non-answer as to if I'm scum 17) Lol I'm a lurker lynch me 18) igrok talk to me about you & ksc, also rayne is town. 19) Fluff 20) KSC is ignoring me 21) iGrok is mean for telling Ruxx to stop triple posting. 22) I agree with damdred that KSC is too agreeable. I don't like iGrok/KSC 23) rayne is townie because he's probing, KSC is mafia because he isn't aggro 24) @iGrok, Regard post #18, learn to read. I'll stop here, since this is when I started reading back. So, after posting multiple times that she is too lazy and will not be in the thread, Tina contributes nothing aside from naked reads, and when pressured by me for reasons, says "lol reading is hard". Reading isn't hard, coming up with reasons for naked reads are. There's nothing supporting your reasoning. You're fluff-posting. As of right now, Tina is the lynch today. I don't have a read on ruxx, but even if I did, day 1 is 100% lynch lurker, and active lurkers are the worst kind. ##Vote: rsoultin Rayne, you're my deputy, I know Ruxx is frustrating right now but that's okay, he's actually contributing things, even if they are somewhat spammy. | ||
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On August 06 2015 08:36 Damdred wrote: Why would grok be suspect near the end but not suspect near the start for the same thing? For example I think his reaction to RS is quite bad but you don't even talk about that cake so why does all this make him town now but scum later I saw that CopCake answered the first part, his answer was pretty good. But unless we have strong mafia reads at the end of Day 1, I'll still want to lynch a lurker because we'll get more information on later days by watching people we think might be scummy but aren't sure about. My reaction to Tina is pretty strong because claiming to not be in thread, and then being in the thread, is a huge scumtell for most people. You get to have activity to avoid being called a lurker, but you don't contribute much (if anything) to conversation. If you get called out for fluff (by the way, to whoever asked, "Fluff" is a post that has no significant content), you can claim that you were busy and you told the thread that you would be. Multiple times, Tina said she was lazy and was leaving the game until tomorrow, and then continued to post fluff in thread. This is scummy, fluff is not activity, and for these reasons, Tina is my #1 lynch target at the moment. ##Vote: rsoultin | ||
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On August 06 2015 10:39 Damdred wrote: Actually you are wrong. Rsoultin while saying I'll just afk actually did stuff and poked at you. Which actually isn't scummy its more towny than not and you just don't know how to read RS I think. And ff is bad, I'm easiest town read in the thread and have been on a rather nice streak nicely. So this angst towards me is a bit meh, and we both know why I expect more from you because I respect your game. She didn't poke at me, she called me mean a couple times, and called me scum a couple times. That's not poking, there's no pressure there. | ||
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Scott is the only true lurker at the moment. If Tina starts posting actual content, I'll shift onto him. Right now Tina looks very scummy, for the reasons I stated at the top of this page. | ||
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On August 06 2015 17:35 Rels wrote: This post is super scummy. The vote does not make sense with the reasonning. PLUS, it is the first post of EAP. And he talks about different things, as if he didn't know what to post in his first post: 1 - whining about filters 2 - reads 3 - vote igrok 4 - will no be active 5 - wary of Damdred and Kelsier Talking about different subjects in his first post is scum indicative, 'cause it means EAP had difficulties entering the thread. PLUS he does not explain why Damdred and KSC are weird. PLUS setting up to not be active in a all vanille setup. Cool, another member of the Town Circle! Nice write-up, EAP is now lurker target #2. @Rayne, why do you think Tina is townie? | ||
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On August 06 2015 18:27 Rels wrote: So this scott guy is a true lurker: + Show Spoiler + On August 06 2015 04:59 scott31337 wrote: CONFTOWN AGAIN yayyy At least I-10's has a lane or two now. I'll be back later. On August 06 2015 08:41 scott31337 wrote: Are you going to actually do something about it though? I haven't liked much of his posting at all - just like this one of yours. Damd/Rayn town reads so far. Not liking ## Fecalfeast / Rsoultin / Ruxxar ##Vote Ruxxar On August 06 2015 08:50 scott31337 wrote: His town read that he seemed to have dropped (I felt genuine in my post) and then says you and rsoul are 100% towns and doesn't even mention rayn, myself, etc. I don't like it. Rsoul might be town but I see tons of fluff and very little ideas. FF's post felt like a throw in something and that's it. You and rayn are having solid thoughts and reads. I want to look more into Cop, igrok, KSC, etc. But this yamato guy is not worth mentionning ? + Show Spoiler + On August 06 2015 05:37 yamato77 wrote: Yes, really. I completely forgot about Yamato! Good catch. However, I know that the only reason he posted in thread is because I told him that the game had started and he signed on just to troll me. So I wouldn't really consider him to have actually started posting. Still, if he doesn't start playing today he definitely gets a spot on my hit list. | ||
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On August 06 2015 18:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: iGrok can you comment on the actual cases in the thread? Like i get your approach but there is no reason to actually discuss the inactives. Everyone knows what you are saying about inactives and active lurkers. Care to take on onto what me/Rels have posted in the last couple of pages? As its 6am, I don't have the mental fortitude to go through other people's cases at the moment, but I'll do that tomorrow. Right now I'm just watching Dota 2 and checking the thread occasionally. Unfortunately, some people still don't seem to understand what active lurkers are (Ruxxar, I'm looking at you). You and Rels have been talking about things but, as I said, I'm not super mentally sharp right now, so I'll go over it tomorrow. I think I said something about EAP earlier today, and also, iirc Shining hadn't even posted before I left for dinner? Could be wrong on that. The point is, tomorrow I'll go through and reassess everyone to figure out who the lurkeriest lurker is. | ||
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@Rayne, I think that this game is forming up to be a clash of mindsets - Old vets like myself, you, and possibly Yamato compared to the newer styles of rsoultin, ruxxar, and... most other people here. Somehow, there's a mental disconnect preventing communication between the two sides. We need to fix this if we want to win. | ||
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1. FecalFeast 2. Yamato77 3. TheShining 4. EdgarAllenPoE 5. Rels 6. Raynpelikoneet 7. CopCake 8. Damdred 9. KelsierSC 10. RuXxar 11.scott31337 12. rsoultin 13. iGrok | ||
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On August 06 2015 22:43 Rels wrote: OK. Explain what is the communication problem between rayn & the rest of town 'cause I don't see it. Sure, one group understands what active lurking is and the other doesn't. One group realizes that LAL is a great policy to start D1, and the other thinks it isn't. The circles aren't Town/Mafia or anything like that - I'll welcome anyone in. I'm including Yamato because I've played with him for a long time and I know he'll get it. If he doesn't, ezpz scumread, but he's better than that. | ||
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Couldn't sleep, sunburn's a bitch. Pushing through thanks to caffeine. I'm taking care of business (replying to people) first. You do realize I said that 4 hours ago, right? On August 06 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote: Problem I have with your strategy is that lurking is a nebulous term for people of low post activity. Maybe you define lurker differently from me, but lynching people with post count as the only metric without looking at the content if their posts is stupid. Ruxxar, nowhere did I say that post count was the only metric. If Yamato were to write a 2000-word treatise on each player's relationships with each other, he'd be well on his way to not being a lurker. But low post count means low interaction with other players, which is literally all the information we have to go on. British Dictionary: lurking /ˈlɜːkɪŋ/ adjective 1. lingering and persistent, though unsuspected or unacknowledged | ||
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On August 06 2015 23:09 rsoultin wrote: {iGrok's} saying my posting is useless, but he won't ask me what i mean on the posts he doesn't understand others are clearly finding my pushes and points, but he's not, yet he doesn't have the curiosity to see what he is that he's missing? or prove to them that they're wrong and he's right and my posts really are nothing but fluff? Obvious bullshit. | ||
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I play more mechanically than most people. I'm not going to be nice and cutesy, and I'm going to take the by-GOD truth and run with it. Let me very clearly explain my initial actions: I see that the setup is Mountainous (all-vanilla). This implies that Day 1 has absolutely no information to base any cases off of. In non-mountainous games, at least one townie has information that others don't - their power role. This further implies that only Mafia have non-public information. Together, these mean that mafia can be found by analyzing their actions between other people, comparing how they act to how people with 0 information would likely act. In order for this strategy to work, all players need high activity, so that their interactions with each other can be analyzed. This implies that lurking is actively anti-town Day 1. This implies that pressuring lurkers is pro-town. This implies that a Lynch-All-Lurkers policy (which iirc TLMafia desperately needs anyways) is pro-town. A LAL policy will pressure lurkers into posting, or will eliminate them. Town lurkers who are posting will do one of two things: A) Come up with a read and reasoning, even if the reasoning is bad. This lets us establish relationships, and is good for town. B) Sheep someone else's reads because they are lazy. This is bad town play, and deserves a lynch. Scum lurkers who are posting will do one or more of the following four things: A) Come up with a read and reasoning, even if the reasoning is bad. This lets us establish relationships, and is good for town. B) Sheep someone else's reads because they are lazy. This is bad scum play, and deserves a lynch. C) Post fluff. Fluff is a post that contributes nothing to scumhunting/relationship building, or actively detracts from those. D) Lie about their activities outside of the game. A townie has no reason to mislead town about their activity levels. Tina sheeped Ruxxar's reads, posted fluff, and lied about her activity. Does it sound stupid? Petty? Then you need to play better. This is why I'm still voting on Tina, and I will continue to as long as the remaining lurkers wake up and start posting like good townies. There are other people who did some combination of things, but Tina was the biggest offender. Tina's probably 50% likely to be mafia, and that's the best possible read so far in the game. There isn't enough activity for good scumreads yet. We have 3 mislynches this game. I'm more than happy to use one early to kill a null-read lurker over a weak scumread, but right now Tina's the scummiest read assuming all the lurkers start posting. We'll get more information from the scummy player than the null one, and maybe we'll even hit a scum lurker. Again, if that sounds stupid/scummy/anti-town, play better. If anything, I've strayed too far from the Lynch-all-Lurkers plan because of Tina's reaction, and I need to go harder on the lurkers. | ||
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There's a really interesting 3-person circle, anyone else found it yet? | ||
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@Rels: I'm going back over your stuff now. | ||
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Personally, TS feels like Town-Stupid to me. Ordinarily that's enough for me to be ok with lynching them, but he's mentioned enough people that, as long as he keeps posting, he's worth more alive than dead. The RX case basically makes itself. If I didn't think I'd get more information out of leaving him alive, I'd lynch him today. Those were my two takeaways, anything else you specifically wanted to know about? @rsoultin: As you apparently cannot read properly formed sentences, I'll let someone else summarize my initial case against you: On August 06 2015 16:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am going to clarify you what iGrok says: I think rsoultin is actively lurking which is scummy. She has now: 1) shat on iGrok 2) shat on rayn 3) posted some other things that do not really say nothing She is not saying anything of relevance, therefore she is mafia. Every time I pressure you, you come back to defend yourself even though you say you are too lazy/busy/afk. Only two types of players do this. Mafia and bad town. Either one is worth lynching. You're literally sheeping so hard that you're agreeing with contradictory points. | ||
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On August 07 2015 00:56 ruXxar wrote: 5 would lynch today ish in no particular order: Yamato Edgar Igrok Shining Fecal feast Mostly based in feelings, don't remember exactly what they wrote, except that it didn't give me a good town impression. Mm maybe shining actually posted something nice but don't remember w/e. Maybe coppy goes on the list but nah, not yet. This is a list of Lurkers + Me. But LAL is a bad policy... that you agree with... sometimes... but you think I'm mafia... because I'm pushing to LAL... | ||
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The "don't remember exactly what they wrote" part literally had me snorting with laughter lol | ||
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On August 07 2015 01:01 Rels wrote: No, thanks. Does it make you think that rsoul has the same of Shning than you ? What does that sentence mean? "The same" and "than" don't go together, and you're missing a noun. I don't mean to get too grammar nazi on you but changing it around to be a complete sentence could make it a ton of contradictory things. | ||
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On August 07 2015 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: iGrok why is Shining more likely to be town-stupid than mafia? Shining feels town-stupid because it reads like he hit a mental wall when trying to figure out FF and RX, and moved on to other people to try to do something instead of sitting there not sure about those guys. | ||
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I don't really, because RS's reads seem to be mostly sheeped off other people. | ||
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On August 07 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: well this doesn't make quite much sense tbh... If I'm town-stupid, and I see a connection but I'm not sure what to make of it, I bring it up so that other people might notice it, regardless of how important it might really be. Then, if I still can't decide what to make of it after getting feedback, I'll pause that line of investigation and move on to something else. At this point, its pretty easy to forget about the initial connection that I saw but couldn't decide about. | ||
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On August 07 2015 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: why does this make sense to you iGrok because his post literally ends with "i have to reread to get a better read on those two people", then he posts his other stuff 5min later (which means he was never going to reread in the first place). How do you come up with this "mental wall" given the facts? Three possibilities: He re-read and couldn't get anywhere, so he moved on. He re-read and noticed something else that drew his attention. He noticed something when he posted initially that drew his attention. | ||
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On August 07 2015 01:32 CopCake wrote: Ok I finally found it It's annoying, because the only person who dared to talk to me but was being like, a little of an ass was kelsier, the only one who knows my town play is rayn, I have played voice with some people from here (yamato, kelsier, damnred once and i have seen ruxar) and rsoultin has seen me as mafia. I am PRETTY GOOD with mechanics and with people's intentions, I don't buy shit like "omg this person look so town" stuff, specially in a site where I don't know people, so that's why I ask for reads of people, so I can see if I agree or not because you have more info of meta, I'll give info of intentions or how something doesn't add up. For example, I think Igrok post was townie at first, have people to be active and lynch lurkers, I didn't see it the same way rayn did tho, it was early in the game so it didn't look like a scum move to me BUT The fact now he was kinda inactive is alarming, is like he is doing what people is asking them not to do. Same goes with: 2. Yamato77 3. TheShining 4. EdgarAllenPoE But from those I like the shining, I mean I loved how he approeached if I was trying to say that showing you my scum game was to missguide people, that is a very town mind set. How the hell was I inactive? I had dinner for 2 hours, and I attempted to sleep for four. Aside from that I've been here. | ||
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On August 07 2015 01:47 rsoultin wrote: grok kinda does fit into his own active lurker thing, tbf grok why do you not answer me -_- you're talking around me I don't need any more information from you today. Well, I do, I just don't expect to get any. And before you ask why, ye, reading is a skill ^^ | ||
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On August 07 2015 02:36 The Shining wrote: Probably my least sure scumread out of Edgar, ruxxar, igrok. I'm not really seeing scum in anyone else, except maybe Scott, but I'm only suspicious because of activity. I'm on page 27 right now and still haven't caught anything but rayn defending igrok(with good logic, let him play since the pressuring could make him useless) and I still don't see any reads from iGrok outside of RSo. He even had a post regarding the split between LAL and the dissenters but hasn't made a post about any other scumreads. And with him having RSo at only 50% scum as top read, it seems he's very weary of committing to any one way of thinking outside of LAL Its not me being wary of anything. We're in day 1 with 0 information. RS was a 50% scumread at the time. Thats a 100% guaranteed 50%. Easily the best chance we're going to get. I'm 100% behind lynching RS today. | ||
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You should read your posts before posting then. | ||
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Why aren't you voting for me? | ||
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No shit. Why aren;t you anymore? | ||
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Do you think I'm scum? | ||
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Why would you take your vote off of me, when I was the leading vote, if you thought I was scum? | ||
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That's horrible logic. | ||
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On August 07 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote: Im expecting an apology from you. Calling me horrible because of your lies is no gucci. I didn't call you horrible, I called your logic horrible. I try to refrain from personal attacks, but the amount of bullshit in this game is making it difficult to do that. | ||
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We have half an hour left. | ||
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On August 08 2015 05:32 yamato77 wrote: well then this game is officially a fucking joke Like it wasn't already | ||
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When a Townie says they won't be in the thread, they leave. If you pressure them, it doesn't matter because they told the truth and aren't there to feel it. When a Mafia says they won't be in thread, its because they are looking to lurk/keep a low profile. If you pressure them, they will stay in the thread to defend themselves. RS has been active since then, but that's because I pressured her early and often. I'm not letting her lurk this game. | ||
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All of his posts on the last page | ||
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On August 08 2015 06:04 Alakaslam wrote: Not gonna format the post. I have way too little conn to say much. Since it seems China just has a hard on for 1:00, I am changing the deadline after this nightshade to a nighttime deadline. Probably +6 hours, but this is not set in stone. Usually, when a host is gone inexplicably, the player can decently flip themselves and be excused. Apparently, we can't quite handle that, for some reason I literally can't read for a while. So, I will deal with it when I can. Shatto place is psycho. So is the day over or not? | ||
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On August 08 2015 06:09 yamato77 wrote: No, slam, that is not usual. We usually wait for the host to flip the player. 2nded | ||
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On August 08 2015 06:11 Damdred wrote: Can we just drop it and play, Edgar stays out of thread and just continue. I don't even know if its day or night at this point. | ||
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On August 08 2015 06:13 Alakaslam wrote: Was lit yanked from PC car keys in hand "drive" Post in blue | ||
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First of all, you didn't lynch confirmed scum RS. Second, you let RX lead you into lynching EAP by forcing a split between me, YM, and EAP. Third, you didn't lynch me even though I went AFK for a long time. Fourth, EAP pulled some serious bullshit and I'll be pushing for his player's ban for a loooong time. Fifth, Alakaslam isn't acting like a host. I'll be around for 15 minutes, then I'm leaving for FNM. Anything you want to know, ask me. I've caught up on the thread. | ||
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On August 08 2015 06:23 Damdred wrote: And you have Ruxxor as hard town ya? No On August 08 2015 06:24 Fecalfeast wrote: what format FNM? If constructed, what deck are you playing? Cube Draft, I built a power cube and my store is awesome enough to sanction it! | ||
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On August 08 2015 18:54 Holyflare wrote: You people are disgusting. All I did was flip myself and allow the game to continue and these are the insults received? In no way did I ruin the integrity of the game/cheat/ruin anything but have fun because I will never be playing here again. Good, you need a long time-out. I have absolutely no idea how you thought that was the best course of action to take. I know you've been around for a long time. Hosts have been late before, and self-flipping and declaring yourself interim-host has never been the answer. Shit, I missed a night post by like six hours in one of my games. You know what happened? People said "Nightpost or riot" a few times and then waited, because they realized that something more important than mafia was probably going on and they were reasonable human beings. | ||
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On August 08 2015 19:25 Holyflare wrote: And how does self flipping affect this differently? Why does it matter what error you made i n hosting previously. Your posts were pathetic and childish as I had no affect on the game other than my flip. So you had the option of A) Wait or B) Do something, and you chose B. My example is of players making reasonable action (A) to demonstrate how what you did was wrong by comparison. Yeah, I went a little over the top, and I've already apologized to Alakaslam. There was a guy in the thread doing something basically incomprehensible. Are you really defending what you did? You aren't even going to apologize? | ||
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On August 08 2015 19:40 Rels wrote: Have you read the game now ? There were no ad hom or useless posts until eod. That was an exact quote from HF's post. Not sure if scott feels that way or was just quoting HF. @HF I can't believe you're actually defending yourself, and not even apologizing for your attitude towards Alakaslam. Like, if you're mad at me because I yelled you into shutting up, I understand. But you were so condescending towards the hosts whose game you were usurping, its unfathomable that you find yourself completely in the right. | ||
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I don't need to point out where you went wrong because Alakaslam already did: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491051-desert-center-mini-mafia?page=71#1403 | ||
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P.S. I never said it was ok for people to wish other people to die. | ||
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On August 08 2015 19:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is a rule that says in bold blue text: "This is a mod font. Please do not use it." Like you can argue that if you continue posting after death people can just ignore your posts and play the game. But it is as stupid as this. And yeah i do apologize for whqt i said to you. But the point still stands. I cant fucking understand how people think they are somehow above the hosts and do this shit INTENTIONALLY?!?! Even if you think you did nothing wrong can you at least see what it caused? And rethink. Even for a little bit? Plus, this is directly from the OP: OP: Posting after death is actually more strictly prohibited. No goodbyes, only acceptable things are GG, go (alignment) and :popcorn:. Nothing else at all. | ||
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On August 08 2015 20:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Of course it would be okay because he is a host and you are not. I've literally been sitting here trying to figure out how to respond to that. | ||
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On August 08 2015 20:16 Xatalos wrote: Wait, I hope the way how the votecount tool is strict with vote formatting didn't cause any of this? Unfortunately I don't think it would be a good idea to make it "too" lenient. Otherwise there could too easily be unintended votes. However, I'm working on a solution to allow nicknames (and slight mistakes in spelling?) at some point. In any case, I don't think there's a huge need to test the tool right now. Didn't seem like there were any problems during this game (except the duplicate names for Edgar), and it's now mostly working, just nice to see multiple games using it - both for finding unexpected problems and just overall seeing it in action. Seems sad if many people are quitting TL Mafia... I can understand IRL issues and such, I've also taken long breaks because of that, but I hope it's not something definitely permanent. (P.S. Are there really no filters anymore on TL...? :/ ) That's not it, no worries. Tool is great! | ||
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On August 08 2015 20:14 Holyflare wrote: And how has what I posted altered any of your views of the game or given anything other than my alignment away? The rule for posting after death is clearly meant for circumstances which give game altering information away. You can do or say whatever you want to be honest. In no way did I insult alakaslam or anyone, I simply wanted the game to continue. Alakaslam's post if you actually read it misconstrues every post to have an alterior motive behind it which it does not. My first post was simply a rhetorical I guess they forgot post. The other posts were so alakaslam could simply maintain that the integrity of the game was still intact and was not an attack on his intelligence in the slightest. Grow up people, learn to not be fucking rule whores and adapt to circumstances. Cya never. On August 08 2015 05:05 EdgarAllanPoE wrote: I will post it I guess since the hosts don't even know that their own game cycle is over? Insulting slam. Multiple instances of you acting extremely condescending to other players available on-demand, if you really want to keep denying it. | ||
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66% {RS + Yamato + ?}, remaining member split roughly 33% Ruxxar, 33% Rels, 33% KSC. Town reads: 100% Rayne, Damdred, Scott, 66% Rels (really conflicting signals from Rels), Shining Null Reads: CopCake, EAP, Feast RS did something that only scum should do: claim to leave the thread, and then respond to pressure. Its a basic trap that catches scum or lying town. For this reason, RS should have been the D1 lynch. Yamato was difficult to read early, obviously, because he was lurking so hard. It was his mechanics post, that basically copied mine, that led me to conclude he was scum. If a townie cares enough about the game to write up a few paragraphs on D1 lynch strategy, they won't lurk. Those behaviors don't mesh, and it was an obvious play for town cred. I started out higher on Ruxxar, and wavered a lot, but was generally downgrading him as the game went on. When he started turning the lynch into a 3-person choice, I really wasn't sure. I was pretty sure the RS/RX/DD circle had one townie in it (but having only seen DD play before, I couldn't rule out terrible scum play), but I wasn't sure if there were two townies in it or not. Also, I 100% Townread Rayne like two hours into the game, and he was pretty convinced about RX, so I figured he saw something I was missing. A couple things tweaked me to KSC: First, anyone who made a case against scott was a possible scum. Scott was an easy lynch to try to push as he lurked a lot early. Second, he tried to pocket me multiple times, townreading me and resisting lynches against me. Still, he did a great job with his interactions with CopCake - I would not have put them as both scum. I should have caught CopCake when she tried to lynch me. Her case was completely inaccurate, based on me being a lurker. I remember even KSC saying something to the effect of, "the one thing you can't accuse iGrok of is lurking." In hindsight, really should have caught on to this, but sleep deprivation was taking hold at the time, and I probably would have ruled it out anyways based on her interactions with KSC. As for the town reads, rayne was cleared because he knew what I was doing and was the only one publicly defending it. If he was mafia, I know that rayne is a good enough player to recognize that I would have been an easy lynch if he didn't ally with me. Town rayne gives 0 fucks and goes after mafia hard, damn the consequences. Super easy read with how active and controversial of a day 1 got forced. Damdred was 99% cleared because I knew there couldn't be 3 mafia in the RS/RX/DD circle. If the three of them were all mafia, I was going to be so disappointed because you expect better play (although really bad play can sometimes work out in an anti-meta kind of way). Scott was cleared because of how many people jumped on his case so quickly. At least one mafia had to be making a case for him, and he didn't seem like a good bus candidate because it had a chance of actually going through. Shining's first few posts read as town-stupid to me, as I explained to rayne. It was fairly obvious to see the thought patterns in the way he posted, that he got distracted by something and/or couldn't figure out a case and put it aside for later. Rels... man, you were difficult! Asking me to comment on your talk with Rayne felt really weird, and I wasn't really sure what to make of it. @RS: You made a classic scumslip, as town. Maybe if I had played more games with you, I would have given you more benefit of the doubt, but it really seemed incredibly obvious. Then you sheeped several reads that contradicted each other. Maybe you're the kind of player who plays much better on day 2, like Radfield, GGQ, or Foolishness? I don't have anything against you personally, I want to make that clear. Honestly it felt like you were playing a pretty good recovery from the slip. However, knowing now that you're town, I really take issue with some of your comments, particularly "ye reading is a skill ^^". Your posts aren't clear, and as town, if someone is asking you to clarify, you should try to clarify rather than be condescending. This also contributed to my scumread of you. It was extremely frustrating to try to engage in any sort of conversation with you, because your reasoning for anything we disagreed on was that I just didn't know how you played and/or "can't english", which was even more infuriating as I was the one posting in proper english while you posted in incomplete sentences, little capitalization/punctuation, and emotes. @RX: Speaking of which, I was literally left speechless when you accused me of being scum because I was putting effort into the game. It actually made me lean town on you for a little while. Is that seriously how bad things have gotten? Proper sentences and formatting are scumtells? Townies don't try? Look, the time I come from was a time of incredibly long posts. They were probably too long, but I much prefer them to the twitter-esque spamfest that some people post in. It isn't difficult to capitalize your sentences, use formatting tags, and most importantly think for a few minutes about what you want to say before posting it. Overall, despite the heat, Day 1 was reasonably enjoyable. I hope most of you sign up for Gaiden 2 | ||
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On August 09 2015 04:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: iGrok, most of your posts were about playing the game and complaining about us as well as separating the old players from the new. These all create bad town atmosphere. Rather than complaining about the new style of play, why don't you try to combine minds? n00bKing is a good player who plays a lot like you. Rather than fighting with him I try and collaborate my tone/feel reads with his concrete analysis. I often give him the starting point to base his reads off of while he keeps me from going haywire with theories. We combine our different styles of play rather than fighting. Just a thought. I wasn't separating old/new players, the separation was already there. This was made particularly obvious when HF pulled his stuff. Me, Rayne, and Yamato were the most pissed about it, most other players seemed to not particularly care. @RS: Here's most of your filter from the start of game. On August 06 2015 05:01 rsoultin wrote: ye i'm being lazy today lol >< see you scrubs tomorrowish On August 06 2015 06:13 rsoultin wrote: bad reasons townreads teehee has some won't share pfffftt @ igrok On August 06 2015 06:15 rsoultin wrote: okay i'll share the damdy read of win town town now we can both be lazy <3 -fades into the ether- On August 06 2015 06:41 rsoultin wrote: meh i may actually vote iGrok too :/ the activity fixation is real and now drumroll please! engage lazy!rsoul mode -poofs- On August 06 2015 06:57 rsoultin wrote: ye no soul it is soulless o.0 no+soul = soul+less = less a soul = demon! grab your torch and pitchfork! or is it garlic? On August 06 2015 07:09 rsoultin wrote: lol ruxx you have no off button xP without filters we have to try not to run away with the thread, ye? bueno, yeah igrok whenever you stop lecturing and actually playing, let us know? k? k ^^ On August 06 2015 07:17 rsoultin wrote: igrok igrok talk to me about igrok/ksc rayn prob town dunnae bout scott but don't really care right now lol >< On August 06 2015 07:21 iGrok wrote: What about myself and KSC? What are your reasons for finding rayne town? On August 06 2015 07:24 rsoultin wrote: ye, reading is a skill ^^ Can you point out what exactly I was supposed to read there? I left out posts such as: On August 06 2015 07:18 rsoultin wrote: nu damdy is my name for him ;o; -slaps ruxxy's hands- find your own name! or because those -really- don't seem relevant to the question you asked me, but let me know if I'm wrong about that. | ||
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Like, I asked you a question, you answered by talking to someone else, and then quoted my question and essentially called me dumb for asking the question to begin with because you had already answered it. If I was in the "not gonna talk to RS mode", I wouldn't have asked you the question to begin with, nor asked you for clarity on what you meant by "talk about igrok/ksc" (which you never commented on either). | ||
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I posted my case on you at least once, maybe twice before I started ignoring you, because it's a really short case. I set a trap, you got caught in it, that makes you scummy and a good D1 lynch. When literally rayne was the only person who recognized the trap, I reposted the case multiple times. You kept saying (and continue to say) that I never asked you for clarification, but I literally just demonstrated that I did. | ||
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On August 09 2015 05:15 justanothertownie wrote: That's just how she is (as either alignment btw.). For some reason she just won't ever answer questions (even easy ones) in a straight up way. Instead you will be mocked and directed at her filter. It is always the same and you will need to get used to it like everyone else :/ Your trap is garbage btw. - this is never alignment indicative. Then she's a bad townie. If you're pro-town, you want to convince people of your scumreads, but more than that you want to convince them that you're town. Being evasive and dismissive is objectively bad town play. Why should town put up with it? Lynch her, eliminate either scum or unhelpful town whatever her alignment is, and move on with the next day. That goes for anyone, not just RS. Townies who play anti-town styles should be lynched Day 1. Eventually they adapt and the game gets better for it. | ||
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On August 09 2015 05:27 justanothertownie wrote: If you lynch every townie that plays somewhat suboptimally you will never win a game of mafia ever. Unless you rolled scum that is. I didn't say sub-optimally, I said anti-town. Refusing to communicate or answer questions is actively anti-town. | ||
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On August 09 2015 05:28 rsoultin wrote: are you going to talk to me igrok? i'm being very civil I was responding to JAT. I'm not sure what you want me to respond to on your end, you've made your point actually clear. You think you're clear enough, and if you think someone doesn't understand you assume they're bad and not reading. I don't know how I'm supposed to respond to that. | ||
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On August 09 2015 05:30 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, like lurking, lying and many other things. Still no matter how many people you policy lynch for it townies will keep doing it anyways. The art of being good at town is to distinguish between anti-town and mafia behaviour. I have a little faith in the people on TL that they can be better. We all can. You need both carrot and stick to train people. | ||
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On August 09 2015 05:32 rsoultin wrote: admittedly i didn't answer your question saying that i refused to communicate or answer questions on the whole is a gross misrepresentation of my play this game. if your only purpose here is to "win" by saying that it's not your fault for misreading me and it was my fault for playing that way, i've already accepted responsibility for the parts of my play that are subpar the fact of the matter, though, is your read wasn't good. there was a reason most of the game didn't agree with you and it wasn't just because they're all bad and you're the only good player here, i can assure you Cool, guess what, I didn't say that either. Obviously there's an incredibly vast meta difference between when I last played and now. Now it isn't just palmar, wbg, and kenpachi that spam the thread with 1-liners, its everyone. I still can't believe I got called scum because my post was in proper english. | ||
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On August 09 2015 05:54 Damdred wrote: No... That wasn't why you were called scum. You were actively working against the thread, unable to communicate with anyone outside this old vet division you made up and overall refused to play or gave non factual representations of what was going on. Tge meta has changed to some extent but its still mafia. On August 06 2015 06:47 ruXxar wrote: it felt like he put too much thought into it and spent too much time writing it. bolding text and polishing it to make it look real nice as if he was like "yo look at me I'm super town and I'm gonna be like super scum hunter 1000%" <--- town actions town cred GG ez game. gave me a scum vibe. I got called scum because my 2-line post was proper english and used bold tags. | ||
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