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I haven't read any of what boxerfred did or said yet which i'll do now. | ||
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However i'm starting to read filters i'll update as I go with some thoughts. But I sorta like Moosy presently. All of his posts for a newb read pretty open and honest, his train of thought seems to be pretty decent. I think hes a decent town read here. | ||
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On June 13 2015 02:42 batsnacks wrote: Hi Damdred! You're going to be mad at me I'm sorry in advance. Why would I be mad at you bats | ||
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That would be boss. | ||
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I'm at work so will sporadically give thoughts | ||
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I need to be on a comp to explain I think he's a horrible lynch | ||
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If you look at bats last scum/town games you see a few things crop up. 1) as scum once it's clear that he is going to,be one of,l the leading wagons his care factor diminishes to a few posts randomly complaining without doing anything about it or pushing his own thoughts. In comparison here he is pushing what he thinks explaining why he's town,and,not giving,up. I liked bats when I first read his filter. He keeps pushing the thread. 2) as scum, he has developed an ability to have weak scum reads to a point. Here he has well reasoned or seemingly well reasoned reasons for calling people out. 3) resorts to trolling as scum when he's caught. He's not doing this here. Bats is town, besides meta. Biggest filter, most controversial figure d1. Okish reads. Leave the bats alone | ||
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Geript is weird I give you that. | ||
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Geript yea I didn't like his filter parts of it seemed pointless, abd his argument with wave just read weird to me. I could,vote for,geript | ||
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I'm not sure how any of what you said makes bats scum? | ||
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On June 14 2015 02:48 geript wrote: Stupidity. Not thinking. Relatively the same thing. Not really, you are pretty hard to follow. Your reads don't make a ton of sense,the bickering with wave felt weird and without a real purpose. You have some real problems. Why are you voting for sulfur here | ||
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Now can you tell me anything about your other scum reads at all? And why do you dislike Scott here | ||
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On June 14 2015 03:26 Trfel wrote: Damdred, looking at the reasons that batsnacks has to scumread people, I generally don't think they are strong. You seem to disagree. Why? I think strength of town/scum reads is dependent on the player in question, if you remember aperture 4 bats reads were much weaker than normal even for his standards. While some times bats comes out with a super read most of the time,they are in this line of thinkin. | ||
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On June 14 2015 03:46 WaveofShadow wrote: You know it's funny I remember unvoting you for feels and now that I'm back and seeing that you haven't done anything, nor am I seeing hardcore scumhunter geript I'm starting to worry again. Would not lynch above Sulf though. Nothing redeeming about that guy whatsoever. Might sheep Trfel too. Really liking him this game. I also remember Damdred and Scott pinging my radar for some reason---something along the lines of not knowing where they stand but I think scott sort of addressed it. Damdred who do YOU want to lynch today aside form 'not batsnacks?' Hold up now, I've given several,cutting edge opinions besides just don't lynch bat. So let's not misrepresent. However If you were to say I haven't really expressed any scum reads you would be correct. Besides saying I would lynch Geript anyway. Something is still pinching me about Geript not being totally right, and I still like the case on rel. I am not sure I agree with lynching sulfur today though I like a couple points but I'm not sure | ||
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On June 14 2015 03:50 MoosyDoosy wrote: Sulfurus. batsnacks is not Mafia. He's been playing a shitty game as he says and he deserves to die for doing so, but he's a townie no matter how I look at it. I'd prefer to vote for geript as he's acting strange as well, but the priority should be to keep a townie alive. So he deserves to die for,playing shirts not that he's scum? that's interesting | ||
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On June 14 2015 04:03 Damdred wrote: So he deserves to die for,playing shirts not that he's scum? that's interesting I think,I misunderstood your post is it about sulf or bat | ||
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On June 14 2015 04:13 Sulfurus wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote: Yeah bats is a completely stupid lynch, here. (Never use this again bats is to smart a player) If you look at bats last scum/town games you see a few things crop up. 1) as scum once it's clear that he is going to,be one of,l the leading wagons his care factor diminishes to a few posts randomly complaining without doing anything about it or pushing his own thoughts. In comparison here he is pushing what he thinks explaining why he's town,and,not giving,up. I liked bats when I first read his filter. He keeps pushing the thread. 2) as scum, he has developed an ability to have weak scum reads to a point. Here he has well reasoned or seemingly well reasoned reasons for calling people out. 3) resorts to trolling as scum when he's caught. He's not doing this here. Bats is town, besides meta. Biggest filter, most controversial figure d1. Okish reads. Leave the bats alone This read is so bad. Like if Bats is so smart what's stopping him from changing his meta this game. It's not like he is unaware of this meta either since he spammed the thread with his 'longest filter' defense. Actually it's a really good read that bats wasn't aware of till now. When you give meta reads he changes after usually not before. Anyway longed filter isn't a bat meta thing it's a tl mafia thing, though activity as mafia is harder to do anyway. So yea | ||
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This plan is great | ||
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And I just like the case wave, I could probably lynch sulf to. | ||
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On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote: You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote: Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote: I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler + Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote: It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Bats...I am so proud of you | ||
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Bats is town though | ||
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Don't talk about the,mod,decision leave it for after game. We find scum | ||
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Anyway, who do you think is town/scum | ||
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Like I can understand parssing what Geript said see who voted him why (good catch wave) but I don't think,scum,bats leads the lynch onto Geript,like this. Nor do I think we should really debate if the big should shoot him or not | ||
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On June 14 2015 11:52 n00bKing wrote: That's not the point. geript's reads might not be "better" but they are "trustworthy." Pick any player left that you think is better at this game than geript is. Are that player's reads likely to be "better" than geript's? Maybe. But you don't know whether they are genuine, or if they are coming from a scum player. geript's reads might not be right, but at least we have reason to expect he was being honest with us. And his honest opinions are that Sulfurus and Rels would be good players to think about lynching, but that first and foremost, we should put a bullet in batsnacks. This is so wrong.... so very very wrong | ||
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Firstly i'm going to take out the wagons that ended up with 0 votes to start with, and also the scratched people presently. I'll dedicate a post later to talking about vote changes (maybe in this post on some people) to determine some alignments if I can. Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, WaveOfShadow Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, sulfurus, geript (8): Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337 Rels (1): geript, This is what we end up with (cleaned up version) Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, WaveOfShadow Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, sulfurus, geript (8): Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337 Rels (1): geript, First thing I do is color in Geript with a bold and a green since hes flipped to the thread. Secondly since im not confirmed to the thread but to myself (go me) i'm putting myself as green. I'd rather not have to right out a town case currently for myself so just trust me for now. Two easiest town reads are now colored in green for me. Batsnacks I've covered pretty extensively in my earlier filter, if you want the longer case its in my filter go read it a bit. But to add on a bit, Bats made a decent point and pushed it. Thought he found a slip and pushed it, he led the lynch on Geript even fi he flipped town. Scum bats is really back seat he does try to cause confusion. However at this end of day he was really useful he was calm and acted really towny with how he went about the lynch. This guy might be the most town I've ever seen Bats be before, if he did this as scum i'm pretty impressed. Trfel, is town also. Made some excellent points on Rel, but ended up sheeping Batsnacks around the same time I did. The posts that Trfel did make were some of the longer cases I thought were pretty good and factually sound. Though some people might disagree with them It hought they were really good and showed a clear understanding of what was going on. Also Trfel knows my kryptonite somewhat and how to abuse me in a thread without seeming scummy for it and chose to try to work with me and give me time instead of coming down hard on me. Its also partially a tone read and how the involvement in the thread is going. i'm pretty confident that Trfel is town here. Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, WaveOfShadow Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, sulfurus, geript (8): Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337 Rels (1): geript, Ruxxar is one of my scum leans currently. I won't take credit for the initial find of the post where he switched votes from bats to Geript. (Wave gets credit for pointing it out) He shows very little consistency with how his reads change and how he approaches the thread, for example when bats makes his push on Geript he showed very little suspicion for someone that was hard scum reading Bats and thought that he was the best lynch in the entire game. Also he gave kickstart a town lean for almost no reason when he was suspicious of him before. He also has expanded his filter with a lot of talk about speculation and about claims and how to handl blues etc. Overall I think hes decently scummy and should be lookd at harder. WaveofShadow is another decent town lean currently. He shows genuine interest in figuring out peoples alignments, he pushes on people and is searching to find scum when he is here. One of the negatives I have is that sometimes he feels a little passive in the way that he does things at the same time. I know for instance he asked me several questions that I just didn't answer at the time and still haven't answered (I believe) and even though I've been in the thread with him he just hasn't cared. So he worries me a little bit but i'm generally paranoid of him also, plus he soft pushed geript a little bit. Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, WaveOfShadow Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, sulfurus, geript (8): Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337 Rels (1): geript, Moosy I think is town, I would look at him more later, and its mostly just a gut feeling. He feels really honest to me and just confused at points. I think hes town. Tone read on scott, and his postings just feel like his towny self. Good direction I feel like at points. I am going to end this here for now, I don't have the attention span to go through everything. I'll try to finish reads before the morning on the others. I'm still leaning scum on Rels and kickstarts activity is worrying and lack of real content compared to his other games. | ||
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On June 14 2015 12:14 n00bKing wrote: How so? Why do you think geript's reads aren't trustworthy, even if they could still be inaccurate? Why do you think he wouldn't be honest with us, on his way out the door? He's going to try and mislead us, just out of spite, because he's pissed about being mislynched? This is a Newbie game. Saying a post like mine is "very very wrong" without giving a single drop of explanation WHY it's wrong, does not serve the Town's interests. Geript is a person, people are generally wrong. This is day one even good players are more often than not wrong on d1. I'm not saying geript wasn't being honest with anything. I'm saying following someones reads when you lynch them is the wrong thing to do. And a good way to lose a game, lets say you follow Geripts reads. Shoot bats he flips town, lynch X they flip town. Then what happens you are in lylo because you followed someones reads instead of developed something else as the days went on. I've already explained this but i'll rephrase, just because someone can be trusted once they are flipped doesn't mean that they should be followed necessarily. Though granted he might have some good points on people, the only reason he wanted bats shot was because he thought he was being stupid. | ||
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On June 14 2015 15:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Damdred didn't call me town, he's scum. Also that completely pointless list post that has more townreads than scum reads. Sulph / damdred mafia. Scott also maybe. its amazingly accurate that their are more scum than town in this game. | ||
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I'd lynch rox sulf and rels one of them tommorow | ||
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I guess put ks in there instead | ||
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You never are baby | ||
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Bats go,with God and your mafia hinting skills. But on a serious note. I really don't like noob I'm not sure what it is his posts just give me an odd feeling. His posts seem helpful at points but don't really accomplish much, I will be echoing bats a bit. But for example his pushing to get the vig to shoot bats is extremely strange still to me. And to an extent he lacks real,scum hunting overall to me. | ||
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Why is he so towns with examples and full reasoning please. Don't have to quote just refer I suppose | ||
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Anyway, I wasn't acting that towny to deserve an automatic read change and d1 was slack. Besides that rel is a good lynch still, but don't make super associative reads necessarily at this point. | ||
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Good job getting yourself killed tonight. Sheeping you and trfel l. Besides that do you think,makes soul his partner or just a town he tied to push on | ||
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I need to look at context was his subtle switch on rels when the wagon on sul building? | ||
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I will post more later 2 hours left at work | ||
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Basically what you want moose is mafia to follow 100% the case and only rely on logic when their is much more to look at. word usage is important gut feelings just general human brilliance/stupidity/luck. Anyway its interesting but its not alignment indicative at this moment. now going to try to catch up | ||
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Just exhausted atm, and still thinking got a feeling but I need to reread filters | ||
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I'll be more active shortly | ||
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Actually here's a thought I'm thinking that's totally unrelated. Wave barely calls me out in most of hi postings besides being disappointed to an extent. However He keeps bringing attention to sul at points and says l tt inch the person not playing the game. Why then am,I not the primary push. I have played much less than anyone in,the game currently yet not pushed. Its an interesting observation. And rux is obviously tmi | ||
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On June 16 2015 07:14 Rels wrote: It doesn't by itself. I just don't want to forget that the only cases you made were wrong. Doesn't make you mafia. Don you think,generally town is usually more often wrong than scum? | ||
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On June 16 2015 07:22 Rels wrote: I think it's easy for mafia to make good looking cases on townie, starting from a simple contradiction and blowing it out of proportion. Itsactually much,much harder as mafia to,contribute in the same way as town. I read an amazing post at one point that explained why being scum is difficult. Its much more psychologically draining than most people think. | ||
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On June 16 2015 07:22 batsnacks wrote: Damdred you buddy/agree/placate/sheep me way more when you're mafia than when you're town. When you're town you are usually suspicious of me at every point in the game and it is usually a constant struggle for me to keep you not-suspicious. Well I had an amazing meta read saved up on you also. So theirs that also. I see the point though | ||
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On June 16 2015 07:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Most of? Damdred plz. You're not the primary push because I don't know if you're scum or not. Sulf is way scummier than you and I am more sure of. him Does that come as an interesting revelation to you for some reason? And I can't vote all of the people who are barely playing the game right now, can I? I mean maybe the team is you/sulf/Oats at this point which would be kinda funny but I don't think that's the case. Teehee, if you think that's the scum team why did you,move your vote to ks when you are still so sure of sulf? Seems counterproductive at this,juncture | ||
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On June 16 2015 07:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Well since nobody is voting for either of them I don't think it's counterproductive to anything specifically. I want to lynch scum. You already invalidated the point by your ebwop | ||
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On June 16 2015 07:34 Rels wrote: Dunno about forum mafia, but I enjoy being werewolf IRL. Maybe that's different in forum games where you have to keep your lies in your mind for several days in a row. Well in forum mafia having to keep reads in order for 2 weeks sometimes drains you | ||
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Super large bulky posts with little activity besides that. Has good posts on rel, has the lynch ready to be pushed through. Instead of pushing counterwagon jumps off instantly on bats slip case on Geript. Someone who trfel had previously scum read. Start of today immediately was like bats case good sheep. Keeps mentioning worried about me without actually doing anything. Ie basically is soft pushing. Lack of scum hunting reliance on huge posts most won't read. Looks like trfel is doing lots when,isn't.~ | ||
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On June 16 2015 08:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok found it. Ultimately I think there are other people doing similar things that looks worse. When Trfel does post I have generally been liking it. You know him pretty well though, yes? there anything specifically meta-related here? Im curious. Activity is a measurement (small part). Hoe the push happens and what is done with it. | ||
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On June 16 2015 08:16 Kickstart wrote: More than you are able to say. I'm about to vote you for doing nothing and contributing to a lazy town. What are you going to do | ||
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Anyway I'd be ok with lynching ks | ||
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On June 16 2015 08:56 Trfel wrote: Have you bothered to look at the order in which these events happened. Batsnacks' play was getting more towny before he caught geript in the supposed scumslip. Furthermore, the fact that he pointed this out was a pretty big indicator that he was town, also showing that he used Bat Traps (was talking with scott31337 about this in hidden text that this is an indicator of him being town that was previously missing. As for long posts, give me a break. If people don't want to read my posts, then they don't deserve to hear what I have to say... I've taken care to make them readable, and there's no reason why spreading my thoughts over several posts is any better than using a single post. Admittedly my play is more sporadic than normal, and this is because I'm home from college now. Family takes precedence over mafia games. This is the second mafia game I've played in the month and a half since I came home, and the first one was on a smurf (I smurfed in an attempt to not play to the same activity and standard that I normally do). While back at school, I had the freedom to play whenever I wanted. If you want to lynch me, come up with some actual reasons, please. Several of then are very real reasons that are pretty good. You should stop slow pushing me because it's crummy. I came out with what was bothering me, you still have this weird stance on me. Now talk to me like I'm dumb town etc. Etc. | ||
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It looks bad and is bad | ||
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On June 16 2015 09:12 MoosyDoosy wrote: Alright I'm out. If ruXxar's going to continue to be a shit there's no point in being here. You aren't even responding to,actual problems that are being shown | ||
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On June 16 2015 09:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: Then can Kickstart respond to this rather than continuing to promise more activity and/or provide a solid argument? I'm not sure I understand what you mean 100%. He's seen all this and all he's said is ok I'm town it will be a mislynch I'll do something later. This s anti town at best scum at worst, look in comparison to rels when the wagons started. | ||
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You do infact keep coming back apologizing for not being as active (excuses), also you might not say the words "I promise to be more active" but you do infer that you will come back to some form of your past posting style. Do I think you are scum, no clue honestly. Also it wasn't a terrible lynch, Ritoky would also agree with me. Was it a perfect lynch no it wasn't, were you scum, no. Was there problems in your gameplay, yes. So stop playing the victim card here. You keep saying sorry for no activity, even compared to other games of yours I've looked at your lack of content here is much more disturbing than even the last game that I cannot talk about at this point, while I could say that your posting style leaves a lot to be desired with your walls of text, this game you are much much less about projecting town and trying to lead town than being back seat at this stage. So you have some problems. | ||
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If I was so convinced and tunneled I wouldn't bother talking to you. Besides the fact once again you are totally unable to see from another persons shoes. You've acted not like yourself, and you are now overly defensive and called out a couple people when others have been after you much harder. Anyway you just need to stop being a lazy ass and do work over all. like the oats observation is good, and I like that. Now talk to me about, moose and rox interactions you've probably read them at this point. | ||
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Like you can say a lot about my early game I know its the weakest part of my game and its compounded here by work+replacing in at an awkward juncture, but if I say X is a problem in this situation regardless of alignment its just how I see it. Its not a tunnel, I generally don't tunnel. Here's the thing I honestly think that you are probably town. And we need to not bicker, I accept that I'm playing like shit and I can laugh at myself about it, give me some reads Ks. personally id still rather lynch rux or sul today. I'd rather not lynch moose because of bad reasons. Oats is a possibility he has no real floe this game and can't see his thought movement which is troubling Wave is probably town, rel feels town. Trfel is probably town, bats is defo town. So for me its a pretty small list of players I could see hang today. | ||
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would be oats rox sulf scott that's in no particular order and its basically the same lynch as yours. However I'd probably lynch rox, then decide between Scott and Sul another day however Scott feels vastly different than other games. He's really lurky and feels less inclined to give the same level of thoughts in used to and not interjecting himself. your observation on oats is good. kinda weird but that's where I'm at. | ||
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I expect more but yeah think he will flip town | ||
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On June 17 2015 03:15 Trfel wrote: On the contrary. It shows that Kickstart is willing to do anything to survive. If he's town, here's what he did:
So basically no towny would ever do this? And he's made several reads some in a list post obviously. But this doesn't make someone scum. The cop check point isn't the best | ||
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town lies more than mafia. Why? They aren't as careful with what they say. so no that doesn't make someone scum | ||
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the two sentiments don't make sense. | ||
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On June 17 2015 04:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Why Scott? And yeah I do admit I'm getting waffly on Sulf. I can't imagine any scumteam that lets him play like this (unless newbie scumteam or something)? Like his presence in thread is just teh weirdest. I can predict it exactly. He won't show up again now until well after deadline or tomorrow with one post fingering somebody and that's it. sure it does, oats is scum town is tunneling on Ks. But hey I'll vote Ks to save a town, Ks is probably mafia. these sentences don't make sense | ||
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anyway I dislike the post and it feels kinda weird him hopping on the wagon like this | ||
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Hell you said the post screams towny do shouldn't mafia be trying to hop ok rather than off | ||
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On June 17 2015 04:55 Rels wrote: Cant post much since I'm with my GF. The only people I'll agree to switch is scott. Sulfu is town and ruxxar is an easy mislynch I feel. this post bothers me a lot. | ||
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But that post just is weird to me anytime someone calls someone an easy mislynch or town for no reason bothers mr | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:01 MoosyDoosy wrote: The critical point for anyone wondering. This is great actually. Like really good. I don't want to lynch scott | ||
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ty for not reading | ||
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so no you are wrong and misrepresenting | ||
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Like your trying to scum read me and show I'm bussing when you are just going ham every so often and doing jack shit besides that. Oh well | ||
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I fought decently against a Ks wagon once I thought he was town. | ||
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Anyway gg moosy. I'm here for a bit if anyone has a question for me. | ||
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No clue what's happening in game atm, I am town though just lazy to an extent | ||
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Sadly I have sucked this game and I'm well behind at this point and I won't catch up before deadline. So I need a slight recap on why certain players are no longer scrutinized such as rels/rux etc | ||
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Anyway you just acting dumb now bats | ||
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However 72 hours is to much time lets make it interesting and put it at... 32 | ||
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However without new information rux/rel and oats still up there. | ||
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