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On June 13 2015 09:34 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 09:03 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote:
Last game D1 you didn't do a whole lot either if I remember correctly. In both game you also posted a nonsense post to gauge reactions. Yeah you're totally wrong and that is points against you. The only time I posted nonsense that game was at night and that's because I was the cop and did not want to get killed. Definitely not true. I expect he is talking about this steaming pile here, which was posted early in Day 1, and not at night: Show nested quote +batsnacks wrote:
above is THE JOYOUS, LAKE
below is KEEPING STILL, MOUNTAIN
Influence. Success.
When a weak element is above (the lake) and a strong element is below (the mountain), their powers attract each other so that they unite. This brings about success, for all success depends on the effect of mutual attraction
Perseverance furthers.
By keeping still within while experiencing joy without, one can prevent the joy from going to excess and hold it within proper bounds. This is the meaning of, "Perseverance furthers."
To take a maiden to wife brings good fortune
Heaven and earth attract each other and thus all creatures come into being. From the attractions they exert we can learn the nature of all beings in heaven and on earth.
A lake on the mountain:
The image of influence.
Thus the superior man encourages people to approach him
By his readiness to receive them.
A mountain with a lake on its summit is stimulated by the moisture from the lake. It has this advantage because its summit does not jut out as a peak but is sunken. The image counsels that the mind should be kept humble and free, so that it may remain receptive to good advice. People soon give up counseling a man who thinks that he knows everything better than anyone else.
The influence shows itself in the calves of the legs.
Misfortune.
Tarrying brings good fortune.
In movement, the calf of the leg follows the foot; by itself it can neither go forward nor stand still. Since the movement is not self-governed, it bodes ill. One should wait quietly until one is impelled to action by a real influence. Then one remains uninjured. Your philosophical post about danger in this game looks a bit like a forced attempt to duplicate the same kind of nonsense you kicked off the last game with (since it was very recent, and people will remember you were Town). Meanwhile, you never answered my question about approximately how many times you've been assigned a scum role in these games.
I have been playing TL mafia for a -long- time, only 1 mod on this site (and I don't even know if he's still a mod) knows how long. I have no idea how many times I've rolled scum. Also I only provide iching commentary when I'm town so I thank you for bringing this up.
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If I'm still leading in votes in approx 12 hours I am going to make this thread chaos. Goodnight!
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before I go to sleep though... 21% of this game is my posts! And I'm leading in votes! For SHAME!
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On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.
Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.
This thread is gonna get destroyed if I'm the leading wagon tomorrow. GNIGHT SRSLY NOW.
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Where is ruxxar? I'm about to hurt some feelings. Dude hasn't re-evaluated his read on me since the beginning of the day. Same with n00b. If either of you are town you are hurting your chances of winning by being so stubborn.
I don't see myself unvoting sulfurus he has gone on to misrepresent my play last game 3 times now and is using his misrepresentations of my play as an excuse to vote me.
If Damdred, geript and wave could start posting immediately that would be nice too. Especially damdred.
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On June 13 2015 21:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
And now you are scumreading people just because they think you are mafia???
Stop being a pain in the ass. This is why kickstart hates you. I said I scumread sulfurus because he is lying about how I played last game and using his lies to justify voting me. His number one reason for voting me is that he thinks he can scum read me because I'm playing similarly to last game.
Here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?user=batsnacks
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On June 13 2015 21:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +Where is ruxxar? I'm about to hurt some feelings. Dude hasn't re-evaluated his read on me since the beginning of the day. Same with n00b. If either of you are town you are hurting your chances of winning by being so stubborn.
That isn't a scum read. That is me being concerned that ruxxar and n00b are making mistakes that could cost town the game. They should have a dialog with me before the lynch because I'm town and I can convince them I'm town, or at the very least not the best lynch today.
Yes you are guilty of the same I should have included you too. I completely disagree that most of what I've posted is useless I think I have easily contributed more to this game than anyone else, certainly more than you since your biggest contribution is tunneling a town for 70%ish percent of the day all because you didn't like my opening.
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On June 13 2015 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote:am I confusing something? sulfurus says you are playing differently to last game and I agree. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:
So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game.
##Vote: Batsnacks
Someone's confusing something that's for sure:
On June 13 2015 05:30 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him? I'd rather lynch you. You just completely avoided my question. What do you think of Bats? @Wave ruXx makes a good case on him here and I would probably have my vote on him if it weren't for the fact that he played similar to this as town in the last newbie game. Essentially more thought needs to be put in before he gets bandwagoned.
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On June 13 2015 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
But you dont want to convince me or Trfel?
Ok bats, quote 5 posts you think will help town lynch mafia.
So that does not include fluff and defensive posts.
I'm not quoting my filter for you.
I am actively trying to convince you and would be delighted if Trfel joined in. Trfel at the very least is scuming me for recent things. You, noob, and rux just didn't like my opening.
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On June 13 2015 21:55 Oatsmaster wrote:Im pretty sure bats is mafia. Show nested quote + certainly more than you since your biggest contribution is tunneling a town for 70%ish percent of the day all because you didn't like my opening. If bats was town, he would say "tunneling me for 70% of the day", not "a town for 70%".
Stop being dumb. I don't even like calling people dumb but this is the dumbest confirmation biased-est thing I've ever seen you post.
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On June 13 2015 21:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 21:54 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote:am I confusing something? sulfurus says you are playing differently to last game and I agree. On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:
So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game.
##Vote: Batsnacks Someone's confusing something that's for sure: On June 13 2015 05:30 Sulfurus wrote:On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him? I'd rather lynch you. You just completely avoided my question. What do you think of Bats? @Wave ruXx makes a good case on him here and I would probably have my vote on him if it weren't for the fact that he played similar to this as town in the last newbie game. Essentially more thought needs to be put in before he gets bandwagoned. The quote I posted is later than this quote and he clearly says that he thinks you are playing differently now. I really dont know what you think you are trying to do.
Sulfurus hasn't said specifically what was similar to last game or what wasn't similar to last game. Nothing changed except the opportunity to vote me, which he took.
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On June 13 2015 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 21:55 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
But you dont want to convince me or Trfel?
Ok bats, quote 5 posts you think will help town lynch mafia.
So that does not include fluff and defensive posts.
I am actively trying to convince you and would be delighted if Trfel joined in. Trfel at the very least is scuming me for recent things. You, noob, and rux just didn't like my opening. Im sure you read the most recent Ver game where he caught at least one mafia because of a bad opening post. Tell me, why did you vote for the vt claim? You think that mafia somehow claims vt in one of the first few posts? Have you see that happen before?
I voted the vt claim because I didn't like it. I had no intention of keeping my vote there for that reason alone for any extended period of time. Also I never actually voted him. I was expressing distaste in the claim.
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On June 13 2015 22:03 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 21:59 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 21:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2015 21:54 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote:am I confusing something? sulfurus says you are playing differently to last game and I agree. On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:
So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game.
##Vote: Batsnacks Someone's confusing something that's for sure: On June 13 2015 05:30 Sulfurus wrote:On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him? I'd rather lynch you. You just completely avoided my question. What do you think of Bats? @Wave ruXx makes a good case on him here and I would probably have my vote on him if it weren't for the fact that he played similar to this as town in the last newbie game. Essentially more thought needs to be put in before he gets bandwagoned. The quote I posted is later than this quote and he clearly says that he thinks you are playing differently now. I really dont know what you think you are trying to do. Sulfurus hasn't said specifically what was similar to last game or what wasn't similar to last game. Nothing changed except the opportunity to vote me, which he took. So he isnt lying, hes just incompetent. In his explanation, he says that he was convinced because of his townreads scumreading you. And hes the top scumread, you hardly need to push him more. Who else is mafia?
Right now Rels looks like mafia I still think Trfel's case was really good. Geript/damdred could be mafia especially if their posting doesn't pick up before deadline. I am especially skeptical of damdred because he should know I'm town and right now he's just not playing and letting a townie get lynched.
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On June 13 2015 22:04 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 22:00 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2015 21:55 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
But you dont want to convince me or Trfel?
Ok bats, quote 5 posts you think will help town lynch mafia.
So that does not include fluff and defensive posts.
I am actively trying to convince you and would be delighted if Trfel joined in. Trfel at the very least is scuming me for recent things. You, noob, and rux just didn't like my opening. Im sure you read the most recent Ver game where he caught at least one mafia because of a bad opening post. Tell me, why did you vote for the vt claim? You think that mafia somehow claims vt in one of the first few posts? Have you see that happen before? I voted the vt claim because I didn't like it. I had no intention of keeping my vote there for that reason alone for any extended period of time. Also I never actually voted him. I was expressing distaste in the claim. So is the claim scummy or not?
The claim isn't scummy it's just not optimal.
On June 13 2015 22:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also, when did you townread Trfel?
Trfel starts being townie after this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote:I had a town lean on batsnacks due to the balance between his jokes and serious reads. Since then, batsnacks has been much more serious, and his jokes are few and far between, so this read isn't valid any more. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
NAI is a new thing lol.
I kinda like ruxxar.
It was really funny that he answered a question not directed at him asking why people shouldnt answer questions not directed at them.
He doesnt do it intentionally to just create content IMO.
(bold added) So if he doesn't do it intentionally, then why is it towny? Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 15:03 n00bKing wrote:
It's also worth noting that RuXx purposely furthered the conversation about Town players lying, AFTER he saw that some other players were reacting negatively to what he had said. If a Newbie scum player saw that what he had said was causing some raised eyebrows, he might clam up or change the subject, to get beyond the comment that had raised suspicion, and bury it. Instead, he challenges the people who expressed a contradictory viewpoint, which ensures that no readers who come along later will gloss over what he's said.
You could try to say that he didn't realize it was a controversial statement when he first made it. But even after it was clear to him (based on the posts of other players) that it was a controversial statement, he stuck to it, and called more attention to it. Again, I feel like this is boldness you would seldom see from an inexperienced scum player. This point about ruXxar continuing to press the lying issue is good. I guess I judged ruXxar too early. ##unvoteShow nested quote +On June 12 2015 16:35 Rels wrote:
Hello everybody, GL HF!
I'll read the thread now and comment on things. See you soon. I really don't like this post at all. Posting without having read the thread is useless, the only thing it helps with is making it look like you're doing more work that you actually are, and it detracts from scumhunting. But making a useless post after the investigation has already started is pathetic. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent. Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this? Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 01:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't decide now if I think geript and bats could be scum together for this horribleness. Association cases = bad but I can't help it and I THINK it's probably not the case. One of them at least for sure though.
I have no idea why someone as experienced as WaveofShadow would share a potential association case while in the same post acknowledging that association cases are bad. Please explain. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. Why does calling out the player with only one post, who needs to get replaced, make someone town? Especially because, if you are town, he called out the easiest player to pick on who happens to be confirmed town. I really don't like batsnacks' response to the pressure on him. Batsnacks doesn't normally react like this, he's fine under pressure. In my first game playing with him, I tunneled him for basically all of Day 1 and Night 1, and he made a post telling people to stop arguing about useless things and read the case I had posted on him. I need to read some filters, but batsnacks seems very active, concerned about his safety, but not providing actual content. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:42 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 03:28 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:25 batsnacks wrote:
I don't know what geripts alignment is... Clearly that guy is 3P. I don't know what 3P means either. Third party.
His re-evaluating the ruxxar read and moving on to pressure others was good. I actually called him out about 15 seconds prior and he ninja'ed me with this post.
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On June 13 2015 22:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
So instead of explain why its "not optimal", your best way of explaining was the vote the dude?
When you vote people, you dont always think they are mafia? Is that correct bats?
dammit bats I want to lynch mafia today but you are the scummiest.
I never voted him! And I did explain that no one should claim!
On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote:I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide: - don't claim your role
- find exactly 1 person who you think is mafia
- say why this 1 person is mafia
- do not form reads based on unflipped associations e.g. player X AND player Y could be mafia together because Z.
And I am NOT the scummiest you are just caught in a logical fallacy that I WILL get you out of.
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On June 13 2015 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 22:17 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 22:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
So instead of explain why its "not optimal", your best way of explaining was the vote the dude?
When you vote people, you dont always think they are mafia? Is that correct bats?
dammit bats I want to lynch mafia today but you are the scummiest.
I never voted him! And I did explain that no one should claim! On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote:I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide: - don't claim your role
- find exactly 1 person who you think is mafia
- say why this 1 person is mafia
- do not form reads based on unflipped associations e.g. player X AND player Y could be mafia together because Z.
And I am NOT the scummiest you are just caught in a logical fallacy that I WILL get you out of. You did. voting thread doesnt count. If we didnt have a voting thead, you wouldve voted. Answer the question. Also, what logical fallacy? That you are useless and are not helping town at all, that you constantly complain about getting scumread and you do nothing but scumread the person everyone else thinks is mafia? Sure, logical fallacy. You would lynch geript?
Bolded = completely wrong, I'm disappointed that you would even say that.
Also yes, sure, logical fallacy. You're scum reading me for a bad opening. It's now 48 hours later and I'm engaging you more than anyone has engaged anyone this game. You saw my bad opening, correctly scum read me for it, and now your perspective has been warped to believe everything I say is either bad or scummy. It's not. If I'm mafia then town is fucked because that means that mafia cares more about this game then town does.
I would be happy to talk about a geript lynch. Why is geript scummier than e.g. sulfurus or ME?
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On June 13 2015 22:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
I DONT WANT TO THINK MAN, i just want to suggest bandwagons and have people sheep me cause I smell nice.
geript is mafia because he jumped on moose as a placeholder vote and then came back and changed to someone else without seriously addressing his previous points on moose and why they are now invalid, and the connections because that was a weird sort of associative lynch. And hes been not posting a lot.
Oh man you just said I did well scumreading you. I hate people who say that.
The bolded is just my opinion man.
But the important question here is if someone gets lynched today, are you the driving or even secondary influence for that lynch? Because if not, then you are useless and not helping town with a shit ton of posts.
I don't know if geript is a better lynch than sulfurus, Rels, or Damdred. I will read geript's filter and let you know what I think.
I have owned up to my scummy opening like 10 times. I am completely self aware as to how scummy I was being. The operative word being "was" as in I was being scummy in the past and not now.
Your opinion is wrong.
I started the wagon:
On June 13 2015 08:27 batsnacks wrote:
I might have to switch to sulfur this is ridiculous.
Thank you for bringing that up.
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On June 13 2015 22:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 22:46 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 22:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
I DONT WANT TO THINK MAN, i just want to suggest bandwagons and have people sheep me cause I smell nice.
geript is mafia because he jumped on moose as a placeholder vote and then came back and changed to someone else without seriously addressing his previous points on moose and why they are now invalid, and the connections because that was a weird sort of associative lynch. And hes been not posting a lot.
Oh man you just said I did well scumreading you. I hate people who say that.
The bolded is just my opinion man.
But the important question here is if someone gets lynched today, are you the driving or even secondary influence for that lynch? Because if not, then you are useless and not helping town with a shit ton of posts.
I don't know if geript is a better lynch than sulfurus, Rels, or Damdred. I will read geript's filter and let you know what I think. I have owned up to my scummy opening like 10 times. I am completely self aware as to how scummy I was being. The operative word being "was" as in I was being scummy in the past and not now. Your opinion is wrong. I started the wagon: On June 13 2015 08:27 batsnacks wrote:
I might have to switch to sulfur this is ridiculous. Thank you for bringing that up. Lol that doesnt count please. Can you expand on Rels mafia? Cause while his posts are not great, they seem well intentioned enough.
It absolutely counts I was the first person in the game to say sulfurus is scummy.
I can't expand on Rels mafia beyond what Trfel has already said better than I could. I don't know what "well intentioned enough" means in the context of what someone's alignment is.
Also I read geript's filter and have concluded he hasn't contributed to the game yet. The most substantial thing in there was what happened at the very start of the day and that has been hashed and rehashed enough times. There are some bizarre free townreads in there too e.g. oats and damdred. I don't disagree that oats is town but I don't think oats is town because of the vt thing that geript said. Geript is at the very least a better lynch than me.
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@damdred I appreciate you coming to my rescue. You must now find mafia and vote them please.
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On June 13 2015 23:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
lol everyone is a better lynch than you bats, even me.
well intentioned means that it feels like Rels is trying to find mafia.
Not very well but still.
Every other post of yours is bad bats.
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I know you are but what am I?
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