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Geript could you expand on two things when you come back ?
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On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) This post is pretty bad. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 10:30 Kickstart wrote:
Because I've had the urge to troll you since I came back to playing mafia Oats. I can't help myself. Don't worry though the 2 scums atm are ruxxar and sulfurus so you are not in my tunnel atm. [...] Oooh Damdred replaced in. That guy's town 100%. ezpz.
On June 13 2015 06:41 geript wrote:
Nah. Damdred is 100% town. He's gotten pretty easy to read.
It's pretty cool that you can read damdred (= but this game he's impossible for to read atm due to lack of posts. Were you saying that if he's town you're going to know it for sure later ? And do you read damdred town right now ?
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On June 13 2015 06:56 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:47 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 06:47 geript wrote:
Wave not making association cases would be far more concerning. Not a fan of trfel Why don't you like Trfel? Not really something something I can put my finger on. Feels I guess. Maybe my impression of his meta is off from his actual meta since I don't think I've played a game with him for a bit. [...]
I would be super interested if you took the time to reread Trfel's past game with you and expand on that. If you don't have the time to do that, could you at least try to explain this more ?
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Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.
If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
##Vote geript
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On June 14 2015 00:58 geript wrote:
It was a good reason tho. I remember thinking that.
Yo geript. If you ever remember that reason I'll be super interested, as I hated plants' only post.
Please answer this post:
On June 13 2015 19:22 Rels wrote:Geript could you expand on two things when you come back ? 1Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) This post is pretty bad. On June 12 2015 10:30 Kickstart wrote:
Because I've had the urge to troll you since I came back to playing mafia Oats. I can't help myself. Don't worry though the 2 scums atm are ruxxar and sulfurus so you are not in my tunnel atm. [...] Oooh Damdred replaced in. That guy's town 100%. ezpz. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:41 geript wrote:
Nah. Damdred is 100% town. He's gotten pretty easy to read. It's pretty cool that you can read damdred (= but this game he's impossible for to read atm due to lack of posts. Were you saying that if he's town you're going to know it for sure later ? And do you read damdred town right now ? 2Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:56 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 06:47 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 06:47 geript wrote:
Wave not making association cases would be far more concerning. Not a fan of trfel Why don't you like Trfel? Not really something something I can put my finger on. Feels I guess. Maybe my impression of his meta is off from his actual meta since I don't think I've played a game with him for a bit. [...] I would be super interested if you took the time to reread Trfel's past game with you and expand on that. If you don't have the time to do that, could you at least try to explain this more ?
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Yo everybody I'm super drunk so I'll post my thoughts and get back to party.
From what I read I'm sure bs and sulfu are both town. Geript is not making sense and didn't answer my question. I think he's mafia so my vote is on the right place.
Damdred stopped lurking and his posts seems townie to me.
From the last post count I m happy to see that my two scumleads are voting for me  and geript seems to be the lynch.
Its my last post until tomorrow so take care everyone
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Yo everybody. Wasn't available all day. I finish reading everything and I have a lot of posts to answer to and I need to sleep so I will do that tomorrow. If I'm not vigid of course.
A message to everybody: I'm town, so even if I'm lynched tomorrow keep these in mind:
- look for who is sheeping my lynch too easily
- continue looking for mafia even if you're sure I am one. In particular, don't start suspecting people because of my relations with them, like moosy did, before I flip
Alright, see you all tomorrow
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On June 15 2015 06:53 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 06:48 Rels wrote:Yo everybody. Wasn't available all day. I finish reading everything and I have a lot of posts to answer to and I need to sleep so I will do that tomorrow. If I'm not vigid of course. So if you die tonight, it could only be because you were vigi'd? There's no chance the scum team would have killed you? That's only because you're lynchbait now, right? And not because you're on the team? 
Hehe
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Alright finally have some time in front of me. So it's time to post a lot of things. (=
Here is what I'm going to do. First I will defend against the cases I find in the thread, and answer any questions I see.
Then, I will post my analysis of every player in this game.
This will probably take all day 'cause I'm also working. For the people paying me, you know. I also have a meeting at 10:00 my time, in 30 minutes, so I will be interrupted for a few hours in the middle.
So. Let's start with Trfel's case.
On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:Rels1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff + Show Spoiler +1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia. And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work. 2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target + Show Spoiler +Fake)Plants only had one post.
Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening. 3. Townread on ruXxar + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post. Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever.
I already defended against this case. Apparently people have forgotten, so here I go again. It's a good day 1 case so I can only explain my point of view. Nevertheless, only the second point is a strong one.
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When I entered the thread, I was the last player to do so, if you don't count boxerfred who got replaced. So I had to catch up, and I commented on every post I saw.
This is a pretty weak point actually, as someone could do that as either alignement. It's true that it's not town indicative. It's also true that it's not scum indicative. It's just that: NAI.
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This is the stronger point of the case. Going after the easiest target is certainly scummy. But it's not the scummiest thing possible: the scummiest is to jump on an easy train.
That's not what I did here. What I read the thread for the first time, plants' post jumped to me as super scummy, so I analyzed it and pushed a case.
I think what is more scummy in my attitude is not the push on plants. It's that it's almost the only analysis I did since the beginning of the game. I understand perfectly what that looks like:
1 - do 1 case
2 - say you're done
3 - don't do anything afterwards.
That is almost true so people has the right to suspect me for that reason. This is going to change today, so if you're a good town and that's your reason for voting me, please re evaluate your reads in 12 hours.
I say almost 'cause I also did some analysis on moosy, batsnacks' meta and Sulfu's meta. But it's not much for 3 days of playing.
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On the contrary, that is a super weak point. Because Trfel in his analysis missed this post, one of my first:
On June 12 2015 16:39 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. ........ The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious. Scum lean. [...] So far kickstart is a scumlean for me. How can you scumlean him for his first post. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:04 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:50 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. ........ The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious. Scum lean. What I meant by the last sentence was that that was my number one assumption of why he made that statement. I won't pretend to be a mind reader, but I find it strange that he throws out unsubstantiated claims like that. So far kickstart is a scumlean for me. Wait.... So you are serious about your explanation for not answering a question directed at someone else, because it helps them answer the question if they are scum. But in saying this, you answered a question directed at someone else, your scum read? This explanation is going to be good. Yes my answer was serious. I see now how that actually denied us information from kick start. It was a mistake on my part to actually answer that question. Can you please clarify, why are you scumreading Kickstart? I didn't like his statement about not liking liars. This whole game is based on the concept of deception. If you don't like that aspect of the game, why are you here? You might claim that you like hunting lying mafia, But it's not a given beforehand what role you will be, so that doesn't make sense either. I have no prior info about any of the players here, so he might have some personal conviction for why he said that, but to me it didn't seem like a genuine well thought through statement. That is not a good reason.
This is what happened:
1 - I suspected ruxxar for his "scumlean" magical apparence on KS.
2 - My suspicion was greatly lessened by another post made by him.
But the third point of Trfel says I only did the second step. And it's false.
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On June 13 2015 07:16 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:Rels1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff + Show Spoiler +1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia. And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work. 2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target + Show Spoiler +Fake)Plants only had one post.
Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening. 3. Townread on ruXxar + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post. Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever. 4. Hasn't re-evaluated his read on plants now that scott has replaced, which one would think would be a high priority for him.
This is batsnacks 4th added point on Trfel case. I wasn't going to respond to it, but I'm seeing that Trfel thinks it's true.
On June 13 2015 11:07 Trfel wrote:
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So, Rels made a faked post that was an easy contribution. Then he didn't re-evaluate when the player he was scumreading (largely for inactivity) was replaced, and then batsnacks read Rels' filter and Rels looked scummier.
[...]
Trfel and BS are both saying I didn't re evaluate my read after scott replaced him. I'm going to prove that is not true.
Here is what happened:
1 - I did my case on plants
2 - I quit the thread
3 - Before I went back to the thread, batsnacks said I didn't re evaluate
4 - I went back to the thread and re evaluated.
So the point of me not re evaluating is wrong, because it was said when I was not here. If you don't believe me let's look at the chronolical order of posting:
First
Last post of me before I quit the thread. I'm still on plants and scott didn't replace yet.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ?
Second
scott was replaced and I was not reading the thread. Batsnacks post this saying I was not re evaluating my read after scott replaced. It is non sense because I couldn't have re evaluated my read because I wasn't here.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 07:16 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:Rels1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff + Show Spoiler +1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia. And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work. 2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target + Show Spoiler +Fake)Plants only had one post.
Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening. 3. Townread on ruXxar + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post. Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever. 4. Hasn't re-evaluated his read on plants now that scott has replaced, which one would think would be a high priority for him.
Third
In the first post when I came back, I re evaluated my read.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 07:16 Rels wrote:Re everyone. Welcome Dam and scott then! scott - I hated the only post of your predecessor, so I will probably push you super easily. Your posts atm are alright. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:57 batsnacks wrote:
ebwop also Rels doesn't appear to have re-evaluated his plants read now that scott has replaced. If Rels is mafia that could be why. Hard to be re-evaluating when not present. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:44 Trfel wrote:[...] On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent. Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this? [...] Don't know really, I just felt like this post would be super hard to fake.
For the record, I already responded to this point here, so that's the second time I do that. Stop bringing up false things in the future.
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Alright as I said I have a meeting, so I'm stopping here for the moment. I'm rereading the thread to make sure I don't miss question or case against me and I'm currently page 31. I will get back to it after the meeting.
So see you in a few hours! (=
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On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote:Rels' Read Progression- Suspicious of ruXxar early
- Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
- Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
- Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
- Changes read on ruXxar to town
- Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
- Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
- Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
- List post
- Unvotes batsnacks
- Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
- Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337
Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this)
Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript)
Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy
Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post) It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts. The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling.
I don't know how Trfel can say that about me when three of my only strong reads at the time were not following thread sentiment:
- plants scummy
- sulfu townie
- bats townie
Furthermore, saying I suspect geript because of wos' earlier suspicions is pretty stupid.
Trfel, the rest of your posts about me is good but this one is super shitty, you're forcing a read. I suppose it's confirmation bias.
(bold on "at the time" 'cause I'm tired of people misusing my quotes. If later I find plants townie, sulfu scummy or bats scummy and you want to attack me for that, don't quote this post it's useless. Find something else)
NB
I almost posted this post without reading the posts after. Lucky for me I did, because noobking posted a rebuttal just after Trfel's post here. He's saying more or less the same as I do.
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On June 15 2015 18:48 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 17:01 Rels wrote:
Alright as I said I have a meeting, so I'm stopping here for the moment. I'm rereading the thread to make sure I don't miss question or case against me and I'm currently page 31. I will get back to it after the meeting.
So see you in a few hours! (= When you are back I want to hear your opinion on sulfur and his adamant defense of you. What do you think of his reasons for doing so. Why do you think he would do such a thing?
I will do an analysis and post my thought about every player when I'm done defending myself. But the short answer is:
I'm not adament to him being town, as I was willing to lynch him instead of bats if the choice was between the two. Again, at the time. But I thought and still think he's townie because:
- meta (he's playing exactly like last game where he was town)
- he's not jumping on the easy train (lynching me)
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On June 14 2015 11:33 scott31337 wrote:Oh fish ul Votecount Oatsmaster (0): KickstartruXxar (0): TrfelKickstart (0): SulfurusSulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosyBatsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfelscott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): Relsgeript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337 Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, geript, scott11331373737373771317371373Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.
If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
##Vote geript Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 06:13 Rels wrote:Yo everybody I'm super drunk so I'll post my thoughts and get back to party. From what I read I'm sure bs and sulfu are both town. Geript is not making sense and didn't answer my question. I think he's mafia so my vote is on the right place. Damdred stopped lurking and his posts seems townie to me. From the last post count I m happy to see that my two scumleads are voting for me and geript seems to be the lynch. Its my last post until tomorrow so take care everyone Rels - So Sulfurus made five posts between these two reads - a bad read post on Damdred, and a few posts about lynching Trfel. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi?user=SulfurusSulf went from second on your lynch list to "sure town" - Can you inform me how you came to this reasoning? Do you want to lynch Trfel now as well?
scott linked two posts of mine and say there is an evolution of reads without explanation.
In the first post, he's saying that I think sulfu is mafia. That is false.
In the second post, he's saying that I think sulfu is town. That is true.
The problem in his analysis of this sentence:
On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
Here I exprim the fact that if I had to choose between batsnacks and sulfu, I would lynch Sulfu. It is NOT saying that Sulfu is second in my list lynch.
On June 14 2015 11:33 scott31337 wrote:
Sulf went from second on your lynch list to "sure town"
Scott is saying that my post means: Sulfu is second in my lynch list.
Scott, your first question is nonsense because your affirmation preceding it is false.
Your second question:
On June 14 2015 11:33 scott31337 wrote:
Do you want to lynch Trfel now as well?
No.
WHAT THE FUCK is this question. Please explain it to me.
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On June 15 2015 04:28 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.
If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
##Vote geript Then: Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 06:13 Rels wrote:Yo everybody I'm super drunk so I'll post my thoughts and get back to party. From what I read I'm sure bs and sulfu are both town. Geript is not making sense and didn't answer my question. I think he's mafia so my vote is on the right place. Damdred stopped lurking and his posts seems townie to me. From the last post count I m happy to see that my two scumleads are voting for me and geript seems to be the lynch. Its my last post until tomorrow so take care everyone I want to know what specifically made you change your opinion on sulfurus and damdred. [...]
Nothing changed about Sulfu's read. See this post where I explain it.
The reason for why I changed my read on Damdred is in the two posts you quoted ... seriously. Just had to read them.
On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.
On June 14 2015 06:13 Rels wrote:
Damdred stopped lurking and his posts seems townie to me.
Now, a better question you could have asked: what did I mean by "his posts seems townie to me". And it's true that it's pretty bad saying that without backing it up. The first reason, stopping lurking, is why I didn't consider him for a lynch day 1.
Right now, Damdred's posts left a townie feeling on me but I have no idea why. Will analyze them later along when I start analyzing people.
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On June 15 2015 05:12 batsnacks wrote:Alright Rels is mafia. His read progression on sulfurus goes like this: - First I voted sulfurus for voting me opportunistically. Rels responds to me saying that if it were anyone but sulfurus then he would consider this scummy, but since sulfurus voted opportunistically last game then it is not scummy.
Rels wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically.
But Sulfu played exactly like that last game.
- Rels posts a list post where sulfurus is a town lean.
- Rels repeats that if anyone but sulfurus had voted me the way that sulfurus did, he would consider it scummy. However since sulfurus voted SL and Breshke opportunistically last game as town, then he is not scum reading sulfurus for it.
Rels wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Yeah I would have agreed if someone else voted you like that. But Sulfu did that day 1 last game. On Breshke and SL.
- Rels suddenly says he is suspicious of sulfurus for voting opportunistically, directly contradicting two posts he made earlier explaining that sulfurus voting opportunistically does not make him mafia since he did the same thing in his last game.
Rels wrote:+ Show Spoiler +No idea who I want to lynch. Two of my three town reads are voting sulfurus. I'm suspicious of Sulfu for two reasons:
- The "case" on KS on his first post doesn't exist
- The vote on BS is opportunist
- Rels votes geript and says if the wagon on geript doesn't go anywhere, that he will be switching to sulfurus.
Rels wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
##Vote geript
Chronological order: + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel's case is still good but I'm now voting sulfur for misrepresenting my play last game (twice) and now voting me opportunistically.
##unvote
##vote Sulfurus If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically.But Sulfu played exactly like that last game. On June 13 2015 09:07 Rels wrote:
Town lean
Trfel
Sulfu
Oats
ruxxar
On June 13 2015 09:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 09:07 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel's case is still good but I'm now voting sulfur for misrepresenting my play last game (twice) and now voting me opportunistically.
##unvote
##vote Sulfurus If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically. But Sulfu played exactly like that last game. And I don't think he misreprented your plays. Last game D1 you didn't do a whole lot either if I remember correctly. In both game you also posted a nonsense post to gauge reactions. You just voted me for saying something you agree with!!! Yeah I would have agreed if someone else voted you like that. But Sulfu did that day 1 last game. On Breshke and SL. On June 13 2015 18:33 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 18:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Did you see the quality of those posts though. Cause in this game, there is quantity but practically no quality. I agree. But quality is not the reason I'm unvoting him. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 18:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think it's pretty unlikely we have a PGO.
Hey rels, what made you look through bats last few games?
Also, who do you want to lynch now? No idea who I want to lynch. Two of my three town reads are voting sulfurus. I'm suspicious of Sulfu for two reasons: - The "case" on KS on his first post doesn't exist - The vote on BS is opportunist On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
##Vote geript
The events described here are all true. The conclusion is false.
I thought that Sulfu was townie. As said, the two things making me suspecting him are described here. Yes, one point against Sulfu is that he voted for you opportustically. But I still thought Sulfu was townie, while still having two points against him.
batsnacks, the summary of your case is:
- my read on Sulfu changed without reasons.
==>I just proved that to be false.
- I voted geript even though I find Sulfu scummy.
==> That is not true. Two things about that:
===> Never said I was willing to lynch Sulfu. I said that if I had to choose between you and Sulfu, I would lynch Sulfu. See this post.
===> Even though I have suspicions against Sulfu, I think he's townie.
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On June 15 2015 05:22 Damdred wrote:
I agree regardless of alignment.
I need to look at context was his subtle switch on rels when the wagon on sul building?
I don't understand this post.
I assume you're talking about Sulfu so:
What his Sulfu's "subtle switch on rels when the wagon on sul building ?"
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On June 15 2015 05:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:Okay, I started reading filters and I especially looked at Rels/Sulfurus as people have been implying. I REALLY think they're both Mafia. Rels first comes into the thread and directs all attention to the passive posts from both me and Fake)Plants. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:OK I finally found a mafia. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 14:01 Fake)Plants wrote:Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. I really don't like this idea from ruX. If town lies and gets lynched then what information did that townie provide? Are you trying to lure out mafia by lying? Mafia has more information at the beginning and can utilize lying better than town, especially if it comes from a townie. Sorry for being late to the thread, I did not check TL the last couple of days after I thought someone else beat me to a newbie slot. Good to be here! First post of his. Next to last to enter the thread. Just fluff on the first paragraph. What is really scum is the second paragraph. Two points: - He enter the thread late and feels he needs to post an excuse. To me, he had the mindset of entering the thread without saying anything, and apologizing so people like him. - His excuse is false. We all had to confirm yesterday, so that's not possible that he did not check TL the last couple of days, or that he believed that someone else took his spot. Then he tries to switch the case onto me-geript-batsnacks which is the next best scapegoat from a newbie who only posted once and never again. Not only that, but notice how he attempts to bring this under the light while trying to cover for Sulfurus who is beginning to become suspected. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 07:29 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:22 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2015 07:19 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:Rels1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff + Show Spoiler +1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia. And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work. 2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target + Show Spoiler +Fake)Plants only had one post.
Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening. 3. Townread on ruXxar + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post. Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever. Oh hey good timing. I really disagree on the easy target. I have no idea who is mafia between geript bat and moosy, if any. On the other hand the entrance post of plants was and still is super bad. And I don't care for IRL wifom, a lie is a lie. So it sounds like you have been thru the thread. Any other thoughts? I have strong town reads on wos and KS. I have town reads on ruxxar, oats and trfel. I really want to like Sulfu as he had the same attitude of "not posting a lot but ask question" last game, and he was town. But I think he has less than 5 posts atm, that's really not a lot. Everybody I have not talk about I have either no read or mafia lean. It's especially hard on the moosy - geript - bats situation. I don't like moosy for : - his first post - his multiple times stating he is a newbie But geript's reasoning for voting him is super bad. And batsnacks' one is so weird, involving double bus at one point. Well. Here is my brain atm. Then he tries to make a case on me once people tell him me-geript-batsnacks was never a thing. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 08:25 Rels wrote:Fuck I was making a case on you moosy but reading your filter a lot of my points are false. Like I was saying you kept repeating that you were newb. Actually it's not true. I still have two things left in my suspicion of you, so could you please comment on them. First pointYou don't take any stand. Not against me nor anyone else. More than that, a few hours ago, you discussed people you wanted to make a case on but you're still undecided. In particular what is this post: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 05:44 Kickstart wrote:On June 13 2015 05:42 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 05:40 geript wrote:
~7 hours batty Okay I can't dick around anymore. Please help me not get lynched, I require written instructions for how to get people to unvote me. Push someone who you think is actually scum then???????? Just a though~ What do I do if I don't have any scum reads? In a sense almost no one has scum reads because I'm town and the only people pushing stuff are pushing me. Here's would lynch: 3)MoosyDoosy 4)Sulfurus 7)Fake)Plants 2)batsnacks 3)Trfel here's idk can't form opinion: 6)damdred 1)Rels 4)WaveofShadow 5)geript 5)ruXxar Here's would not lynch: 2)n00bKing 1)Kickstart 6)Oatsmaster HELP Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. I hate that you are giving him targets on the basis of "you only need to convince two guys for those targets". Almost look like you want him to make a case, join him, and push the blame on him later. I also hate this sentence: "Sulfurus looks easiest is you want to make a case." Go make one yourself if you're so confident. Plus, you make this post to the guy voting you. Really, I liked your filter way than expected, but I hate this post. Second pointI find it weird that you say the following: newbie must be on mafia team, because otherwise they would have pushed on my first post. I find it weird that you felt the need to say it, against a super weak attack ("mafia should have pushed this post and didn't so moosy is mafia", more or less). Here are the posts I'm talking about: Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yo, also keep in mind a newbie might be Mafia which is why he's not jumping on my post. Seems like something Mafia should do from reading the guide. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 03:34 geript wrote:
Nah. It'd be pretty odd if there wasn't at least 1 veteran on the mafia team. I'm re-reading posts right now to make a list, but the veteran(s) had to be inactive at the start to not point it out. On the other hand, any newbie might be the Mafia. After this, he leaves the thread for a bit and posts a list of people he suspects in order to pretend to be active. Then WaveofShadow, Oats, and me begin to defend batsnacks whereupon a case begins to form around geript and Sulfurus. Rels decides upon lynching geript and not Sulfurus. Note that before this he is also defending Sulfurus by saying he played the same way in "the previous game". However, batsnacks provided several examples where Sulfurus was providing better critical analysis whereupon Rels is forced to remain quiet. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.
If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
##Vote geript As Trfel already pointed out, Rels also does not really seem to support this vote as he already knows who Mafia REALLY is. + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 01:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 00:58 geript wrote:
It was a good reason tho. I remember thinking that. Yo geript. If you ever remember that reason I'll be super interested, as I hated plants' only post. Please answer this post: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 19:22 Rels wrote:Geript could you expand on two things when you come back ? 1On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) This post is pretty bad. On June 12 2015 10:30 Kickstart wrote:
Because I've had the urge to troll you since I came back to playing mafia Oats. I can't help myself. Don't worry though the 2 scums atm are ruxxar and sulfurus so you are not in my tunnel atm. [...] Oooh Damdred replaced in. That guy's town 100%. ezpz. On June 13 2015 06:41 geript wrote:
Nah. Damdred is 100% town. He's gotten pretty easy to read. It's pretty cool that you can read damdred (= but this game he's impossible for to read atm due to lack of posts. Were you saying that if he's town you're going to know it for sure later ? And do you read damdred town right now ? 2On June 13 2015 06:56 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 06:47 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 06:47 geript wrote:
Wave not making association cases would be far more concerning. Not a fan of trfel Why don't you like Trfel? Not really something something I can put my finger on. Feels I guess. Maybe my impression of his meta is off from his actual meta since I don't think I've played a game with him for a bit. [...] I would be super interested if you took the time to reread Trfel's past game with you and expand on that. If you don't have the time to do that, could you at least try to explain this more ? And from this point, Rels disappears, never addresses Trfel's point and he never really answered any other questions as well. I'm curious to see his response when he comes back although I believe a strong case can be made against both Rels and Sulfurus as a team of Mafia.
I don't understand what are the clear points that make me mafia. Try to do like Trfel and summarize your points, because there is no clear points in your case. Seriously, I'm not saying it because I want to be mean; but your case is useless like that.
I will help you summarize it, so I can respond to it. If you don't agree with my summary, please rewrite your post with a summary. If I understood correctly your case is:
1 - When I first entered the thread, I directed the attention to passive posters.
2 - I tried to push a lynch on you, bat and geript at the same time. When that didn't work I tried to push a lynch on you.
3 - I pretended to be active
4 - I defended Sulfu
5 - I was not that engaged on geript's lynch.
6 - I didn't answer Trfel's case or questions directed at me.
Alright now that the summary is done, I can answer your case. I will answer again if my summary is false, don't hesitate rewriting your case if I misunderstood something.
1 - So what.
2 - Never tried to push the three of you. Just layed my thoughts. I also never tried to push a case on you. The "case" on you that you quoted is not a case but real interrogations I had about you.
3 - I never pretended to be active. But it's true I did almost no analysis since I started playing. So I can't defend against this point right now. Your opinion may change when I do analysis today.
4 - So what.
5 - Now that is your strongest point in your case. It is true, I wasn't that engaged on geript's lynch. The explanation for why is here:
On June 13 2015 19:02 Rels wrote:
I read his filter and if we're voting BS for no quality post, geript's post are worse. Didn't find anything scummy per se, but there is the push on moosy for a weird reason ... and that's it. He doesn't even answer properly to questions.
WOS why did you stop voting him ?
I didn't find anything scummy per se in geript's filter. So my reasons for voting him were:
- he didn't do anything
- he didn't answer to questions
6 - That partially not true. I already answered Trfel's case before EOD. That's true I didn't answer any other questions. That point is now moot because I answered again to Trfel's case and answered any questions I saw.
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On June 15 2015 05:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:
As a note, I also doubt that Damdred is Mafia. Rels seemed perfectly fine with lynching him and even pointed out. I also saw little synergy between Damdred and the others as well.
I was not perfectly fine lynching Damdred. Please read this post.
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On June 15 2015 06:59 n00bKing wrote:
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Sulfurus has not made any posts where he is speaking directly to ruXxar OR rels. None. NONE! Nor has ruXxar made ANY posts where he is speaking directly to Sulfurus.
Rels has made only 1 post where he is speaking directly to Sulfurus, and has made 2 posts where he is speaking directly to ruXxar. ruXxar has made only 1 post where he is speaking directly to Rels, and that was a post where he is answering a question that Rels has posed to him.
But although these guys don't ever talk to each other, they talk ABOUT each other plenty. If you look through their respective filters, you'll find a LOT of instances where they are soft-defending each other, and giving each other slight town reads. Occasionally one of them will give one of the others a hard town read instead. Sometimes they talk about their willingness to vote against one of the others, but it NEVER actually happens.
[...]
From noobkind wall of text. That is a super good point. Didn't remark that even though Sulfu defended me so hard, he never even talked to me. This is another point in my suspicions of him.
On June 15 2015 06:59 n00bKing wrote:
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And it's a GOOD question. If Sulfurus is scum and trying to avoid the noose, why is he protecting this new potential target (Rels)? Well, one explanation that would make sense is: If Rels is ALSO scum.
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But this is convincing me that Sulfu is town even more.
If Sulfu is mafia, there is no way he's defending me so hard, when, as noobking said, I'm a easy train de hop on and we're two likely candidates for lynch.
With this, even though noobking last will is to lynch Sulfu, I'm now convinced he's town.
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On June 15 2015 07:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##vote Rels
Good job n00bKing you did well.
On June 15 2015 07:09 scott31337 wrote:
What an awesome post, n00b. I haven't felt good about Sulf or Rels, and Rels didn't reply to anything, just went to sleep.
##Vote Rels
Hahaha that is so good (= I'm so happy to read these two posts. I think the two posters are scum. Here is why.
All the suspicions noobkind put on me start with the premise that Sulfu is town. He himself say to lynch Sulfu first, then IF Sulfu is mafia, to lynch ruxxar or me day 3. He also says than ruxxar would be a better lynch than me day 3. Don't believe me ?
On June 15 2015 06:59 n00bKing wrote:
Sulfurus would be my top lynch on Day 2. If he flips Red, is it better to go after ruXxar or Rels next? That's tough. The ties between Sulfurus and ruXxar are definitely stronger than the ties between Sulfurus and Rels. But Rels is being read by more people as being generally scummy right now, so he might be the easier lynch, even if ruXxar could be the more logical lynch.
[...]
If Sulfurus flips Green, then it's back to the drawing board, to some extent. Hopefully that would mean a batsnacks scum team, and he's paired with either Moosy or damdred. But that case is tougher to make than Sulfurus/ruXxar/Rels.
So. Just after this post, noobking dies and here is what happens:
1 - moosy and scott both expressed good feelings about noobking's post.
2 - noobking's post say to lynch Sulfu day 2, and if he flips mafia, to lynch ruxxar and me, ruxxar being the stronger lynch
3 - moosy and scott vote me instead.
You know what is even funnier ? Let me quote this moosy post that happens just after his vote to me. Please read it carefully.
On June 15 2015 07:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Alright guys, Rels first then Sulfurus. After that, we re-look over n00bKing's post then decide on the next person. I'm inclined to trust him though. That analysis was so good.
That "so good analysis" that moosy is talking about says to lynch Sulfu first, and that I'm not mafia unless Sulfu is too. But moosy wants to lynch me first. Then he wants to lynch Sulfu. And finally ruxxar.
I can see a scum agenda here. How ? Let's consider this timeline:
1 - we lynch Sulfu, he flips green
2 - if we follow noobking post, we're not lynching me nor ruxxar anymore.
Conclusion: we only mislynched once.
moosy seems to be pushing for a better timeline for mafia:
1 - we lynch me, I flip green
2 - too bad! Let's follow noobking post again ... mm that's true he asked for sulfu's lynch first.
3 - we lynch sulfu, I flip green
Conclusion: two mislynches
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OK I said I didn't want to start analyzing before I finished answering any questions to me. So I'll continue reading the thread to see if there is any question left. Only then I will analyze people. But from what I see, scott and moosy and strong scumleans.
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