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On June 05 2015 08:51 justanothertownie wrote: Yes. Maybe. Yes. Who are the maybes? | ||
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On June 05 2015 08:54 justanothertownie wrote: What's the point of asking? So that I at least have an idea on who has a reputation as being good at town without having to read everyone's past games 5 minutes into day1. | ||
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On June 05 2015 09:00 NaCl`y wrote: ##vote: Mig Any reasoning? | ||
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On June 05 2015 10:04 NaCl`y wrote: @Mig Your entrance is simply the most underwhelming so far. It strikes me as someone that does not know what to post and you simply want to blend in asking useless questions. Questions such as "Who plays well as town?" are very evident as the game obviously progresses. I find it hard to believe that your alternate would be to dive people's last 5 games to find out. It is not wholly relevant to the game at all. Furthermore, I find that over the course of your previous games you tend to open aggressively as town whereas you just try and fit in and make peace or ask pointless questions as mafia. If anyone else would like to see if this is true, take a look for yourself: + Show Spoiler [Mig] + TL Mafia XXXVIII Town Medic Killed Night 3 TL Mafia XXXIX Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 0 Pick Their Power Mafia Town Bandwagon Hero Killed Night 4 TL Mafia XLII Town Detective Killed Night 1 Real Time Mafia Mafia Roleblocker Lynched Day 3 World at War 2 Mafia Town No Means Yesenhower Endgamed Day 2 Pick Their Power Mafia 2 Town Gunslinger Killed Night 1 TL Mafia XLIII Town Veteran Killed Night 4 Experimental Haunted Mafia Mafia Vanilla Endgamed Personality Mafia! Town dreamflower Killed Night 2 TL Mafia XLIV Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 3 Some Mafia Game Mafia Double Voter Survived TL Mafia XLV Town Vanilla Killed Night 2 Pick Your Power Interesting! Town Detective Pardoner Survived White Flag Mafia Town Vanilla Townie Survived Day 2 TL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die Town 2-shot Vigilante Killed Night 5 PYP: League of Legends Mafia Town ChoGath Killed Night 4 SMB Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 2 Excluding the PYP games, you almost always start with either a case, solid game logic or some kind of aggressive post. Your 2 mafia games in the aforementioned spoiler (most recent ones) you start off with a silly question to Kurumi or a mediocre afk excuse followed by a meek defence else. I think you are mafia. Well first of all my question wasnt useless. It gives me at least a baseline to judge someone from. I know marv is a smart player so if he says something illogical I know there is a good chance he is bullshitting and isnt town. In the same way if someone has a reputation as being a strong town and they arent contributing it would raise red flags. For the meta case, meh. I think in general as mafia I don't know what to do and I more just try to blend in. I was the first person to actually ask a question instead of bullshitting about chickens. I could have much more easily just done nothing since if you look at my past games I often times only make a few posts on day1 as town. | ||
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Especially this On June 05 2015 13:50 Fecalfeast wrote: I haven't even read the case is it good? There is about 3 pages of content, you dont even have anything else to read. | ||
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On June 05 2015 16:53 justanothertownie wrote: If what you asked was relevant is debatable. It also does not serve as a good duscusdion starter at all. Fact is compared to your towngames your posts lack opinions and are rather shallow. Asking for opinions on people that have done nothing so far is also not helpful. I think regardless of your alignment you will not be able to defend against this so if you are town you should probably post something more productive instead. It was relevant to me, I don't really care if you agree. And anyway retarded to complain that it isnt a good discussion starter when you compare it to what else was in the thread (nothing) and the fact that it actually has lead to discussion. I am not asking for your opinions on fuba/artanis. Asking for them to give their opinions on what is happening. | ||
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On June 05 2015 17:00 prplhz wrote: Eh, people are just trying to get the game startet. I don't really see how coming in and making nonsensical comments then disappearing is getting the game started. | ||
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You have spent your entire time arguing with a townie, much more helpful. | ||
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Anyway besides me who do you think is the most likely to be scum? | ||
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You don't have a problem with fecal asking someone if the case against me was good and claiming to have not read it when there was 3 pages of content? | ||
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On June 05 2015 17:47 justanothertownie wrote: The bolded seems to imply that you think I am town btw. and insulting my townplay will not make me think you are town. Since you are actually willing to sit here and talk to me I am inclined to think you are more likely to be town than the people who contribute nothing. Except maybe for the fact you don't seem to be trying that hard to actually figure out if I am town or not. So yea either 1) you overstated your town ability which is why you can't see that I am town or 2) you are mafia. Leaning towards 1 atm. Anyway going to bed. | ||
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Anyway, watch to see if fecal actually contributes anything beyond not reading cases and saying he has no scum reads. boxerfred probably my #2 just based on his overly cheery first post. That's more of just a gut feeling. Really going to sleep now. | ||
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Is your vote for yamato a serious one? You believe he's most likely to be scum just because he voted you? | ||
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marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I honestly have no idea if having 2 protection roles would be OP for town or not. If mafia has a rber it doesn't seem that outlandish to me. That being said I am fine with lynching artanis. I read through Noir mini mafia that he just played and I actually think artanis played well that game. Day1 of that game was about as useless as this day1 has been and he still managed to actually post some useful thoughts. So far today he has posted a paragraph on being a little suspicious of JTA and that's it. Along with that his story for why he claimed is meh. Alternating between claiming because he was bored and because marv mentioned his line with the word lock in it. It was fairly clear that marv wasn't even saying that it was a bread crumb just that artanis was giving superfluous commentary. Assuming that mafia would have figured out he was JK from that is retarded. Seems more likely that artanis is bsing. On June 06 2015 07:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also as scum if this had happened I'd know I'd have been caught and just afk for the rest of the day. Self-meta and all but it's probably accurate. Kind of funny he said this, made a few more posts then disappeared for the rest of the day as well. Artanis if you are town give your reads, make a case etc. | ||
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What about fecal feast? Guy has been totally useless/awol the entire game. I cant read his past games but I assume he normally contributes more than this? He softly back pedled from lynching artanis with his post where he said how about we talk about something else but then didnt actually try to discuss anything. His only contribution so far was where he posted all the cases on people and said they sucked. Doesnt look like he gives a shit about actually finding mafia. Yam is somewhat the same way. Normally from what I remember yam would have a hard on for someone he thinks is scum by now. Instead he just said lynching artanis was retarded while providing no alternative. | ||
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If you are town then make a case. | ||
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Marv you dont have anything to contribute besides defending yourself and lazily voting fuba? No other thoughts on who is potentially scum? We have what like 6 hours or something till lynch and no clear target. Need to get this show on the road. #vote fecalfeast | ||
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What do you think about fecal feast? Really dont have a problem with his play? | ||
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Maybe he thinks you caught him tho which is why hes being emo and hasnt pushed for anyone like he normally does. | ||
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So who are going to vote for instead prpl, fuba still? What do you think about fecal/yam? | ||
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Everyone just going to ignore me when I ask about fancy feast?. I guess he has a 69% winrate because when hes town he does literally nothing and votes for himself the entire day? | ||
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Prplhz either vote for him or quit clogging up the thread fuck. | ||
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1) claims not to have read the case against me and asks if it is good when there was nothing at all to read. 2) Makes absolutely no effort to comment on who he thinks is mafia. When originally poked he just comes in and says every case sucks. 3) When it looked like the thread was swinging against artanis he lightly stepped backed saying we should discuss other things. He then just disappears without discussing anything. And now he gives a town read on slam, great! Very useful. | ||
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Prplhz I am more than willing to discuss jta if you want to lynch him. If you dont then you are wasting what little time we have. | ||
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If you are town ask yourself this, why have I spent the last 3 hours phone posting when the thread was dead? If I were mafia I did it just for shits and giggles? | ||
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So why is voting for troll chez better than troll feast? | ||
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Would consider chez but meh not sure that is better than yam. | ||
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So after rethinking things, I came to a realization, why the fuck are we all so sure that JTA is town? What has JTA done this entire game? He is around constantly, but how many people have you seen him push to get lynched? The only person this entire game that JTA has been 100% gunho on lynching was artanis. Which in hindsight should be throwing off some red flags. The second that NAcl claimed, JTA wanted artanis insta lynched. He is 100% sure that there is no way that the game could have a doctor and jk, why? In my mind if mafia had a rber and or vig it would be fine and totally balanced. But JTA was fucking positive this was impossible, maybe because he knows the mafia roles and knows it would be bullshit for town to have 2 protective roles. This is the same shit as yamato except hes attacking instead of defending. Conversely look at how prplhz/marv/vayne reacted, none of them were totally certain what to believe. So besides artanis who has JTA pushed? He has thrown suspicion at me/marv/ a few random other people but has he actually tried to get a single person besides artanis lynched? Look at his game here in assassination. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?user=justanothertownie&page=2 It is the same style of posting as this game, he is around making random comments, throwing suspicion on people occasionally, arguing about useless shit (same as with me and prplhz) but not actually working to figure out who the mafia are or giving any solid reads/reasons on anything. On May 12 2015 04:24 sandroba wrote: I really don't like jat, he feels very different from the town games I've played with him. He doesn't engage people giving him grief trying to figure out their alignment, but instead comes off as dismissive and angry. He also feels very detached from the game, posting statements instead of the usual inquiries and info digging that I normally see from town jat. This quote from sandroba perfectly applies to JTA's play this game Compare it to his game here in aperture http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?user=justanothertownie&page=10 You can see in this game he is constantly questioning people, pointing out posts hes suspicious of, strongly defends koshi when he gets a town read on him, etc. Hes actually working and once the town trusts him you can see he takes the lead and tries to organize the town and create discussion. This game when I ask him for his reads and why he isn't doing anything responds with "he's waiting for other people to do something". When marv is working and interrogating BF JTA is there posting comments but doesn't say shit about whether he actually thinks bf or marv are scum or not. Instead he asks a couple random questions and says "I am already really obviously town and I don't really feel like doing much as long as nobody else is posting." This is not the same guy that was leading the town in aperature. JTA is mafia, anyone who disagrees with me explain to me what exactly JTA has done that makes him town. | ||
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On June 09 2015 09:18 Chezinu wrote: While yall tell me what is going on, I will give yall a fair well story. Once upon a time in the year of the Chez our King, there a servant who was severely devoted. So obsessed with pleasing the king that he fainted at the site of the possibly that the king my be killed. His body slammed to the ground. With his dimimished, a new servant was needed and fortunately the mods provided. As the king looked into the sky, half of the stars fell down to form a being. This being was the king's hope. He wished upon these many stars that they may lead the uncovered the assassins that would lead to his future death. For it was the sacrifice of his fainted servant. that lead to the king to find his theme. A requested he gave to town, but none could fulfill. All seemed lost until that very servant fell out of nowhere to the found to bring forth the many stars. The king waits for the stars... as he rests with his themes. Honestly I am not sure, like is this post by chez and the one following basically him claiming mafia? It sounds to me like yam is his servant in the story. I don't really fucking know what to take seriously with chez. Obviously hes trolling but it seems more likely to me that chez would troll pretend to be mafia as mafia over doing so as town. I am good with lynching chez or JTA. | ||
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On June 09 2015 16:12 prplhz wrote: also why "jta" and not "jat"? dyslexia | ||
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Your hatter claim is obviously bs, that role is too fun for you, 0 chance you forget about the game as a hatter. The only reason you are claiming I am mafia is because you are claiming that I am mafia team mates with marv and now am trying to save him. Really don't think you believe that. I guess that probably means you are mafia and now just spamming stuff you don't believe to distract the thread and cause chaos. | ||
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On June 09 2015 18:43 marvellosity wrote: Mig you're here! gosh Gosh! 3am and I have another tourney tomorrow so gotta sleep. What do you think of Jat's defense that you gave him a town read so he has to be town. Is that accurate? People like sleeping marv so much they are using you as their defense now. | ||
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On June 09 2015 17:29 Mig wrote: Chezy I don't think you actually think I am mafia. Your hatter claim is obviously bs, that role is too fun for you, 0 chance you forget about the game as a hatter. The only reason you are claiming I am mafia is because you are claiming that I am mafia team mates with marv and now am trying to save him. Really don't think you believe that. I guess that probably means you are mafia and now just spamming stuff you don't believe to distract the thread and cause chaos. This point is still accurate, chez wouldn't "forget" about a game he was a dt in. He's clearly just fucking around at this point. ##Vote Chezzy | ||
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After I accused him on day2 he said he was going to do a lot. What exactly has he done? All I see is him repeating 500 times about how hes unlynchable. Also, does anyone know how wbg balances his games? Is it random or does he pick. If he picks then a combination of a scum team of boxer/fuba/vayne/yam seems really weak if you are putting JAT/marv/nac (seems to be a good player)/artanis all on the same squad. Makes way more sense to me to have JAT on the scum team. Or maybe ff but again you run into having the scum team be lurkers/yam (sucks)/new player. Games arent really fun if you have all of the active players being town. Obviously this is just speculation and not proof of anything but it makes sense and adds to my earlier case. | ||
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On June 10 2015 00:21 fuba wrote: Oh, and regarding the explanation for my BF read flipping: In all honesty, the thing that swayed me most is that he just seemed genuine. That isn't typically an acceptable answer, so I tried to fluff it up with "reasoning" and such. This post feels super townie to me also. Mafia are more careful about being honest about things like this. Posts like this draw attention to mafia and you could see fuba instantly got shit about it. + Show Spoiler + On May 25 2015 08:27 fuba wrote: Wishy-washiness is kind of my trademark town play (at least until end game). I used to post a lot more, but every time I would give a giant wall of wishy-washy reads I felt like I was painting a bulls-eye on my back, so I mostly try to think things through on my own now. In an effort to contribute more, I'll try to get some legit reads into the thread by tomorrow. I don't work today, so I should have time to get it done. I wouldn't get your hopes up for definite town/scum reads, but at least I'll put some of my thoughts on "paper". I'm up for a nb lynch. It's true that as a vet, it made little sense to claim during the night. The entire situation seems silly as either alignment, but that remains true. The fact that she was supposedly afraid of dying last night despite being sure that mafia wouldn't also attack her would seem to indicate that her fear was feigned. And she still hasn't explained how she flipped from geript/sandroba scum to sandroba scum + geript absolutely town. Despite being asked multiple times. Many of us had this little feeling that geript was actually town, but she seemed sure of it. ##Vote 17ninjabunnies You can see the same thing from fuba here in carnival as town. He openly admits to trying to craft his posts to avoid suspicion, which is generally a mafia trait but something mafia wont ever post because they don't want to draw attention to themselves. | ||
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And my points about fuba are completely right. Don't try and tell me lurker fuba would come out of hiding to soft defend chez if there was a tiny chance chez really was a dt and it would cause the town to do 2 mislynches in a row just to try and earn some small amount of town cred. Doesnt make any logical sense for him. | ||
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Yam talking to JAT + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2015 15:38 yamato77 wrote: JAT, you're missing something rather large here concerning this interaction your last post also kinda concerns me, do you care about either player's alignment or are you just complaining? + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2015 16:53 yamato77 wrote: @JAT I'm just surprised you aren't putting pressure on anyone yourself. Your post looked more like complaining about how prplhz was playing than actually commenting on either player's alignment, and you still have yet to take such a stance. I mean, if you're thinking of prplhz's alignment in relation to how he's going after CHEZINU, isn't there something you'd actually consider in this instance, given the players involved? Soft as shit, throws a tiny amount of suspicion on him and never follows up, points out weird shit JAT is doing but doesnt call him mafia or yells at him at all, now look at how yam dealt with marv/artanis + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2015 05:10 yamato77 wrote: marv being a giant prick usually means he's mafia plus he's taking this claim thing way too fucking serious + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2015 05:11 yamato77 wrote: this is your case on artanis fucking lol + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2015 05:14 yamato77 wrote: it says something that I take so little meaning from such a shit post and you apparently think it's enough to have him as your top scumread fucking LOL + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2015 05:10 yamato77 wrote: marv being a giant prick usually means he's mafia plus he's taking this claim thing way too fucking serious + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2015 07:34 yamato77 wrote: you're a fucking idiot It is like night and day, as soon as he begins arguing with marv he instantly calls him mafia. The only thing remotely similar is this post + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote: It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? But you will notice again he doesn't call JAT mafia (even with his earlier posts saying JAT was shady). Completely unlike what he did with marv. JAT interacting with Yam + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2015 17:12 justanothertownie wrote: @Yamato: No idea what your problem is. It should be apparent that I do not think the interactions tells us anything about chez alignment. Accusing him the way he did does not look good for prplhz but there is nothing to pressure here. In fact I would argue that me going against mig is the most pressure anyone in this game has applied so far btw. Totally dismissive. "no idea what your problem is". Maybe his problem is that he's mafia but JAT doesn't seem concerned. Consider that before and shortly after this JAT called myself/marv/artanis mafia. But he never discuss Yam at all, even during the marv/yam argument where they are both calling each other mafia JAT never comments. When he finally does comment on yam it is this. + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2015 01:19 justanothertownie wrote: I think I agree with you. Yamato never shows any doubt about the claims which is extremely irritating. And "lynch the jk, fine. I will have nothing to do with it though" also smells. He doesn't say yam never showing doubt is suspicious, he says it is "irritating". Tone wise it feels like these guys were going soft at each other, different from how they interacted with everybody else. Add this to my earlier case, add this to the fact that JAT hasn't done anything the entire game. Just in the last day he has called fuba/boxer/FF all suspicious. But does anyone think hes even read a filter? He is great at hanging around in the thread and commenting on everybody's random posts but does anyone actually think hes scum hunting? On June 06 2015 06:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I actually think JAT might be mafia. He's commenting and giving opinions on everyone but he's not really pushing anyone. When we had our exchange he was commenting on the sidelines and saying things like "Let's just say Artanis is not impressing me by throwing poorly reasoned townreads around." He wasn't really trying to discern my alignment I feel, and I've felt that way about all of his posts so far. Commenting without digging. Artanis even saw it earlier in the game. JAT's entire defense when people are suspicious of him is marv town read me and look at my filter. I have read JAT's filter like 6 times, guy has done nothing that would make me call him town. | ||
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On June 11 2015 14:56 boxerfred wrote: ##vote JAT I'm not even gonna defend myself, I played so bad. ? explain? | ||
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Do you actually have any reason at all to think I am mafia or are you just talking complete shit because I am making a case against you? | ||
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On June 11 2015 17:57 justanothertownie wrote: It is also a better shot than NaCl for example if boxer is scum and fuba is town because they might have thought NaCl would continue the fuba train today. You know this directly contradicts the idea that I am mafia since I defended fuba? | ||
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On June 11 2015 17:33 justanothertownie wrote: Another point is vet balance. Even if we ignore that this is an absolute shit tier reason itself - bugs did not play or host or coach games since ages ago. He wouldn't even know how to balance his game. For him I am a new player. If we go with stupid arguments like this it would be much more likely that YOU are the scum vet. I am well aware the vet stuff is speculation and yea genius I know it would be more likely to mean I am scum, except wait for it.... I know I am town! Shocking! | ||
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So if you are town maybe try and actually look at things from my perspective instead of getting all indignant and emotional. If I am right and you are mafia feel free to continue to act this way. | ||
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Using the reasoning that everyone thinks you are obv town so I shouldn't even be looking at you is fucking retarded btw. I have seen plenty of mafia games lost because everyone decided someone was town without really thinking critically about it. I am actually considering all possibilities, which anyone with a brain should be doing. And if you are town it is definitely something you arent doing. Anyway if you are town and everyone decides to listen to you instead of me and you lynch me, when I flip town feel free to comfort yourself by saying that I suck and there was no way you could possibly have seen that I was town. | ||
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That's ok tho I still had fun playing with you. | ||
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And if you are town btw then you are just as dumb as I am since you are wrong about me being scum so shrug. Maybe we are both idiots. Going to be fun to find out! | ||
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I am not saying boxer is town to btw, these are just the little things that cause me more doubt about him than you. | ||
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NAC/hts obvious fuba - I already discussed him, and personally I think the NAC case that fuba is speaking in absolutes is reaching. When I read his filter it looked like wishy washy fuba. fancy feast and prplhz - I lean town on both of them but they arent strong reads for Fancy feast I thought his jump onto yam felt really natural and townie. Didn't try to take any credit, wasn't wordy etc. Didn't seem like he was concerned at all that someone might call him for bandwagoning. Then had this post which I thought was good + Show Spoiler + On June 09 2015 04:16 Fecalfeast wrote: [refrains from talking about replacement] chezinu is zzzzzzzzz come on defense thineself Boxersteve is looking more frustrated with the pressure than he is looking scummy to me. Also, one of his first posts is a case on yamato. That being said, his reaction to the marv pressure was a little over the top fuba's filter is disappointing. You see these meaty posts at the top and then he kinda just dies off. This post right before lynch time: This looks like he was really grasping for reasons to vote yamato. First he overexplains his unvote of boxer, then tries to pass off sheeping JAT's list, then saying he can't read VA, Slam, Chez or me, as POE. With an hour before deadline this post looks very very forced to me. + Show Spoiler [crackpot theory] + On June 07 2015 10:24 fuba wrote: Yay! Also, what does spew mean? This post has more strategic merit to it if fuba is scum. Seeing people ask if yamato spewed anyone and not knowing what it is to stop himself from doing it would be bad. VA is coming off as town to me and I don't really know why. I've only really seen him AFK and this game his random posts have been focused. The focus reminds me of when he decided to town-side as 3p survivor in brazil carnival. prplhz never posts this much as mafia and every time I have made this read about him I have been correct. He has 4 pages of filter and it's only day 2. + Show Spoiler [evidence] + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?user=prplhz lynched day 2, 2 page filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=prplhz lynched day 4, barely makes 7 pages http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/407685-carnival-cruise-mafia?user=prplhz survived night 5, 3 pages not including postgame Marv is acting really antagonistic and silly. I honestly don't have any experience with scum marv other than that time I was on a team with him and he got lynched day 1. I guess he's towny this game since he's not dead? best read 2015 couple questions for people: VA Why did you think you were going to die last night? fuba if you think the light busing right away is silly, yet you're using it as a reason to TR him, is it not serving its purpose? This question is stupid, I know. I'm just trying to say that reading someone town because the 'plays' they make don't make sense as mafia is stupid. boxerfrank if you think marv is unfairly twisting your words, why are you content to look elsewhere? Willfully misrepresenting someone is a scum trait and you could easily make a case on marv if you compiled all the ways in which he misrepresented your argument. For prplhz, mainly leaned town because it felt like he was actually trying to look at things with an open mind and he wasn't afraid to fight with JAT day1, when in the past I have seen prplhz lurk really hard as mafia, which FF pointed out before as well. He has done nothing the past couple days so if I am wrong about any of my town reads it is probably prplhz. So then that leaves boxer/JAT/vayne Vayne I have no fucking clue JAT I have made my case Boxer I discussed a bit, probably the scummiest thing I think he did was his case on JAT. Basically telling a bs story and misconstruing some events to try and fit his narrative. one thing also for boxer + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2015 01:32 boxerfred wrote: The other thought I had at that time was "Wait, why is Mig pushing on JAT when JAT is already in a fight with me?" Like, for scum, the best thing to have is to have as many accusations going as possible. Light fires wherever you can and once some fires are burning, chime in every now and then to make sure it keeps burning. I'm the biggest fire that's currently burning, yes, but once I'm lynched, it gets hard to get another fire started when you didn't spark something up in the first days already. So Mig might've seen a good opportunity in jumping on JAT, since he can imagine me getting lynched and then town people might jump on JAT. That's why I think they are not the same alignment. It's a bit tinfoilhatty but I can see scum-Mig putting pressure on people because scum really needs mislynches. That's like the one thing I took from my first game since we lost scum-scott D1 when I was scum in that game. Seems reasonable except why doesn't boxer even consider the possibility that me and JAT are both town? According to this his first thought was that I could be scum and I am attempting to set up another mislynch. Shouldn't his first thought have been that I am probably town and seeing the same thing as him if he thinks JAT is scum? Feels like boxer is retroactively writing his own narrative for how he wants the story to be seen. | ||
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I read JAT's responses and is he really this much of a giant dick as town? On June 11 2015 19:46 justanothertownie wrote: At this point we are just lynching boxer and mig back to back and probably win. And if one of them happens to be just terrible town I won't even feel bad about it. I mean seriously does it look like JAT cares at all about whether I am town or not? And calling my case against him lazy is bullshit. I easily put more work into trying to figure out if JAT is town or not than pretty much any other case here. For the people who actually read my case does my case look at all like I am mafia? Shouldn't JAT be able to at least see the possibility of my case coming from a townie? Maybe I am just so tunneled in that almost everything I see from him starts to look scummy to me shrug. Anyway fuck it, would rather lynch boxer than fuba. ##unvote ##vote boxer | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 25 2015 08:27 fuba wrote: Wishy-washiness is kind of my trademark town play (at least until end game). I used to post a lot more, but every time I would give a giant wall of wishy-washy reads I felt like I was painting a bulls-eye on my back, so I mostly try to think things through on my own now. In an effort to contribute more, I'll try to get some legit reads into the thread by tomorrow. I don't work today, so I should have time to get it done. I wouldn't get your hopes up for definite town/scum reads, but at least I'll put some of my thoughts on "paper". I'm up for a nb lynch. It's true that as a vet, it made little sense to claim during the night. The entire situation seems silly as either alignment, but that remains true. The fact that she was supposedly afraid of dying last night despite being sure that mafia wouldn't also attack her would seem to indicate that her fear was feigned. And she still hasn't explained how she flipped from geript/sandroba scum to sandroba scum + geript absolutely town. Despite being asked multiple times. Many of us had this little feeling that geript was actually town, but she seemed sure of it. ##Vote 17ninjabunnies From reading this post from carnival, I feel like fuba is aware that people find his wishy washiness to be scummy and so he tries to curtail it a bit. As mafia I imagine he would be extra careful not to appear wishy washy and draw the extra attention to himself. So I am not sure I understand why this specific wishy washiness is more likely to make him mafia instead of being part of his normal town meta. | ||
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On June 12 2015 09:52 Half the Sky wrote: I actually to answer your question have less of a problem with the case, I felt I debunked your case on him re: Artanis well I felt he honestly took all aspects into consideration prior to lynching Artanis. If you want to disagree fine, but that's where I stand. I don't understand some of your vote switches and both FF and I looked to you as if you didn't care who got lynched. We - or at least I - had a bigger problem with that. I already stated earlier when talking to JAT that I have had very little time on my PC during this game. People can choose to believe it or not but if I die and flip town you will know I was telling the truth. So I have had very little time to actually post and push my cases / build the necessary trust with the town that would make them listen to me. Unfortunate but it is just how it is. And when people aren't listening to what I am saying then I am going to move and switch my vote to who I feel is the next most likely person to be mafia. I am not going to just waste my vote. And I did think there was a really good chance chez was mafia when I switched to him, which I stated here + Show Spoiler + On June 09 2015 17:29 Mig wrote: Chezy I don't think you actually think I am mafia. Your hatter claim is obviously bs, that role is too fun for you, 0 chance you forget about the game as a hatter. The only reason you are claiming I am mafia is because you are claiming that I am mafia team mates with marv and now am trying to save him. Really don't think you believe that. I guess that probably means you are mafia and now just spamming stuff you don't believe to distract the thread and cause chaos. I was wrong about chez being mafia but my reasoning was right, I don't think chez actually thought I was mafia and he was just bullshitting random stuff. | ||
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Yam isn't a lurker Also again this post feels townie to me On June 10 2015 00:21 fuba wrote: Oh, and regarding the explanation for my BF read flipping: In all honesty, the thing that swayed me most is that he just seemed genuine. That isn't typically an acceptable answer, so I tried to fluff it up with "reasoning" and such. Just feels more open and not like hes carefully crafting his posts to try and avoid suspicion. Anyway I could be wrong, neither of my points guarantee that fuba is town or anything but I think boxer is more likely to be mafia at this point. | ||
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The only risk is if fuba ninja votes right at the end and bf is town. But even then you can just lynch fuba tomorrow. And if bf reached Lylo is there anyone who wouldn't lynch him? Anyway this is moot if fuba actually shows up. But if like 20 min before end of day he hasn't optimal play has to be to try and eliminate both of them. | ||
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So it has to be worth the risk of lynching boxer if fuba hasn't shown up right before lynch. If he does show up and ninja vote who cares? You lynch him tomorrow and you would have lynched bf anyway eventually. | ||
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Or fuba could be town and bf mafia. Just look at this logically. Mafia needs multiple mislynches where they can get nks. If town essentially has the chance to double lynch the 2 most suspicious people then they should take it. Unless there is a point when you think you guys will not lynch boxer. | ||
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If you think me and fuba are both mafia then me getting boxer mislynched now doesn't help me. He is the person who would be most likely to be mislynched tomorrow giving me an extra nk. The only reason not to lynch bf now is if you think another candidate will come up who is a better lynch than him in the future. | ||
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1) both are mafia we win 2) fuba is mafia, according to JAT that means you lynch me next. But guess what I am town which means you will have to lynch somebody after me. Which will most likely end up being boxer. So why not lynch him now if that is the case? 3) fuba is town, then you take care of the guy who would be lynched tomorrow and save us from spending an entire cycle on him tomorrow. | ||
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On June 13 2015 05:13 justanothertownie wrote: If we lynch fuba and he flips mafia it is NOT certain that we will lynch bf. If we lynch boxerfred and he flips mafia and town fuba gets modkilled then we basically still have mislynched. I think the only world in which fuba does not return to ninjavote/post is where he is town. If you think town fuba doesnt show up at all and gets mod killed then how is lynching him not still a mislynch? | ||
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I have never claimed 100% you are mafia JAT I could be wrong. I think bf is more likely mafia than fuba. So why wouldn't I try to get him lynched? I cant control whether fuba doesn't come back and gets mod killed. | ||
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On June 13 2015 05:25 prplhz wrote: @mig do you think fuba might be mafia? For sure, I don't think he is but it is certainly possible. Not like hes a shining beacon of townyness. | ||
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I am basically working under the assumption that at least one of them is mafia otherwise the game is going to be incredibly difficult. And we could save a nk by killing both now. Anyway tho I am mistaken. Nac is right. Even saving a nk it doesn't give town anymore time. So yea dont do it nm | ||
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I guess thats why boxer came up with all the shit about how me and jat cant be the same alignment etc. Maybe you guys should actually consider the possibility that you were wrong about me? Vayne looks pretty terrible btw | ||
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From my memory he has only pushed townies, his comments concerning yam were weak. Also nobody has tried to really push for his lynch, normally he's an easy target for mafia to push when he lurks this hard. I guess boxer did post something about vayne earlier. I would lynch boxer before vayne but he should be discussed. Especially if boxer is just going to be gone. | ||
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On the flip side it is a weird spot for him to be hard defending boxer if they were both mafia. So I guess lynch boxer and reevaluate. | ||
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Also it pains me to say this because I really want jat to be mafia after hes shit on me this entire game but feeling way less certain about it. 1) claiming mafia killed marv because he gave an air tight reason for marv to be town. His reason was definitely not air tight but it was such a townie reaction. Townies love to congratulate themselves for things like this even if it didnt influence the mafia. 2) even though my plan around last lynch was bad for town he read that my intentions were to help (at least I assume this is what he meant when he said it makes me look townier). This does nothing to help mafia and it would have been an easy spot to call me scummy which nac/vayne did. | ||
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Vayne/boxer most likely to be mafia then prplhz/ff/jat all close. | ||
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Vayne I saw you say multiple times that end game is when you are best (like chess). So why are you so completely useless right now? You really have no strong reads on anyone?!? Also why do you think prplhz is town? Fancy feast who do you think the last 2 mafia are? | ||
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It seems like he saw me post my case for jat, jumped on board and when it got 0 traction and people were still suspicious of me he backed off and started making up bs to paint me negatively. Then at the end even after talking about how he should be lynched and he is bad for town he votes fuba to try and save himself, without ever mentioning fuba at all previously, except that he might have killed marv because he pushed him day1? Which made 0 sense since nac was actively pushing for fuba right then and marv was pretty much leaving him alone. | ||
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Also, do you have any reasons to think I am mafia besides baseless speculation (referring to things like maybe mig saw the breadcrumb and told mafia qt which lead to yam defending etc)? | ||
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Honestly anyone who is town and actually reads my entire filter and thinks I am mafia is not good at town. There is a huge amount of evidence at this point that I am town. The fact that people continually suspect me is starting to boggle my mind. | ||
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Like boxer it is clear this game you have just been making a ton of shit up. Unfortunately that doesn't guarantee you are mafia, townies make shit up too. What I want is some actual honest thoughts from you. Like you have read this entire game havent you? You really believe I am mafia based on a case nac made at the beginning of day1? You don't have any original thoughts on anything that has happened yourself? | ||
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1) boxers reason for voting fuba is so insanely bad it is blowing my mind. It is such complete bs. From this game if boxer is mafia then he is at least competent ( a lot of drawn out posts that showed at least some thought and theorycrafting), would he fuck up this hard right at the end? Maybe he is frazzled and not trying anymore but meh. 2) the spreadsheet, I know it isn't that helpful but how often do you see mafia who are nearly guaranteed dead actually put in the work to make something like that right before lynch? I don't know if either of these things are enough for me not to lynch boxer but I would like to discuss them at least. jat/hts/fancyfeast any thoughts on these points? Any thoughts on if vayne is a better lynch? | ||
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On June 16 2015 06:55 Half the Sky wrote: Not to be persnickety but you are contradicting yourself here. Which do you actually mean? Yea I wasn't clear, if prplhz just parked his vote away from boxer without explaining it then that would normally draw more attention to him and make people suspicious (something mafia would try to avoid but townies might not even think about) | ||
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If bf is town after I tried to get him to help himself then smh. Yam did the same thing, I tried to get him to talk and he just quit. So hopefully it is just a repeat. If boxer is town and fancy feast gets modkilled and hes town I think it is game over so looking like our only hope is boxer mafia. | ||
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On June 16 2015 07:46 justanothertownie wrote: The lack of votes on bf is really concerning btw. What is concerning about it? | ||
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But so suspect to not answer me for 2 hours then show up 10 min before lynch as a last ditch move. | ||
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Now unless idiot fancy feast is mafia its gg | ||
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On June 16 2015 08:49 Half the Sky wrote: Bugs/Mig, how long ago are you two from? I only started here Nov 2014. My first game was maybe like 2010? I have taken 2 breaks for like 1.5 years each. | ||
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On June 16 2015 09:10 Half the Sky wrote: Also why the nickname for FF? Fancy feast? I didn't realise he owned cats lol. I think I actually mistyped his name once as fancy feast then found it funny so I kept doing it all game. | ||
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On June 16 2015 09:21 justanothertownie wrote: lol He did NOT keep active. He was #1 mislynch for days and basically did jackshit until right before deadline today. Yes, yes I can demand more than that. You and marv being so harsh on him I am sure effected his motivation to post. Can say in an ideal world everybody should fight to the end but I think for new players especially if they are just getting constantly beat on they are more inclined to just give up. I am not saying boxer is faultless but we as town should have fostered a better environment for him to want to contribute. | ||
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