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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 10 2015 00:19 GMT
#901
On June 10 2015 09:14 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 09:11 Kickstart wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:09 Bill Murray wrote:
i havent really done much to prove my innocence honestly

Indeed. While you have simultaneously done quite a few things that are scummy.
See your dilemma if you are town?


He had a pretty strong dumbtell at eod.

Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 07:53 Bill Murray wrote:
On June 10 2015 07:52 Kickstart wrote:
Obvious no, but I am still of the opinion you shouldn't tell who you voted to get powers. Of course you could be scum and just making shit up cause scum don't actually vote for ppl to get powers.

scum get a vote to pick powers too dude



stop using shit that's not alignment indicative to indicate things of alignment!

being dumb, aggressive, passive, lurky, active, none of these are alignment indicative by themselves. They paint a picture in context of other things. If BM is scum he himself knows he doesn't have a vote, and "acting dumb" is fucking easy. All he has to do is say that scum get a vote and some idiot townie will come along and say he's town because he doesn't know scum don't get votes.

I don't know why people fall into this trap over and over and over but it's exactly the reason that mafia players on this mafia only need to be 10% as good as townies to do anything remotely "amazing"
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 10 2015 00:20 GMT
#902
If my vote change at the last minute is irrelevant than why does it make me scummy?

Also my bat-senses are telling me that tube is mafia.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 10 2015 00:20 GMT
#903
tube probably is mafia lol

his LS read was shit
Writer@WriterYamato
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 10 2015 00:21 GMT
#904
On June 10 2015 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 09:03 Breshke wrote:
How is role block any better than blaspheme

If you RB the scum that doesn't send the kill you literally have no info the RB is only useful if it hits. Blaspheme at least gives the distinct answer if someone is or isn't the priest


what?

It may have no effect only if the RB hits the priest.

I don't think scum are ballsy enough to both deliver the KP and a silver bullet on the same player (if they choose to fire a silver bullet tonight). If they try to snipe a blue tonight they almost certainly will use both players to deliver KP, otherwise if the witch hunter gets RBed both of their KPs fail

I am 99% sure I play better scum than you and let me be frank when I say a DT check would not scare me in this setup nearly as much as an RB or a jailkeeper prot.


I'm 100% sure you play scum better than me no one was having a dick measuring contest but thanks for getting yours out to show

Silver bullet gets refunded if role blocked so it's not like they really lose that kp also if someone role locks someone and there is still one shown kill does that mean that person is mafia or maybe scum didn't use their silver bullet or missed with it. I think RB is good in best case scenario whereas blaspheme while shittier always provides info
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 10 2015 00:25 GMT
#905
On June 10 2015 09:21 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:03 Breshke wrote:
How is role block any better than blaspheme

If you RB the scum that doesn't send the kill you literally have no info the RB is only useful if it hits. Blaspheme at least gives the distinct answer if someone is or isn't the priest


what?

It may have no effect only if the RB hits the priest.

I don't think scum are ballsy enough to both deliver the KP and a silver bullet on the same player (if they choose to fire a silver bullet tonight). If they try to snipe a blue tonight they almost certainly will use both players to deliver KP, otherwise if the witch hunter gets RBed both of their KPs fail

I am 99% sure I play better scum than you and let me be frank when I say a DT check would not scare me in this setup nearly as much as an RB or a jailkeeper prot.


I'm 100% sure you play scum better than me no one was having a dick measuring contest but thanks for getting yours out to show

Silver bullet gets refunded if role blocked so it's not like they really lose that kp also if someone role locks someone and there is still one shown kill does that mean that person is mafia or maybe scum didn't use their silver bullet or missed with it. I think RB is good in best case scenario whereas blaspheme while shittier always provides info


this is not a contest. I am a crap townie and I'm pretty decent at scum, which is why I am very confident in the situation I described to you, but I was not very confident in the end that LS would flip scum.

Even if the bullet gets refunded you are potentially keeping a townie alive for another cycle at least because a silver bullet during a half cycle results in a flip (if it is successful) at the end of said half cycle.

In other words if you RB the witch hunter successfully the target ends up living for the next day to push lynches with you. That's almost equivalent to saving them as a medic/JK. The only difference is that the RB can actually directly stop normal KP delivery, which in this game is incredibly useful because a JK on a good townie can actually prevent a blue usage.

Now of course saving that townie is more valuable than the blue usage but it's better to have more townies alive for longer than it is to rely on things like DT checks.

DT is only good in best case scenario. RB is good even in not so good scenario, simply because the number of scummers is so low. Remember a green DT check doesn't mean shit, it's only the red one that matters.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 10 2015 00:30 GMT
#906
On June 10 2015 09:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 09:21 Breshke wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:03 Breshke wrote:
How is role block any better than blaspheme

If you RB the scum that doesn't send the kill you literally have no info the RB is only useful if it hits. Blaspheme at least gives the distinct answer if someone is or isn't the priest


what?

It may have no effect only if the RB hits the priest.

I don't think scum are ballsy enough to both deliver the KP and a silver bullet on the same player (if they choose to fire a silver bullet tonight). If they try to snipe a blue tonight they almost certainly will use both players to deliver KP, otherwise if the witch hunter gets RBed both of their KPs fail

I am 99% sure I play better scum than you and let me be frank when I say a DT check would not scare me in this setup nearly as much as an RB or a jailkeeper prot.


I'm 100% sure you play scum better than me no one was having a dick measuring contest but thanks for getting yours out to show

Silver bullet gets refunded if role blocked so it's not like they really lose that kp also if someone role locks someone and there is still one shown kill does that mean that person is mafia or maybe scum didn't use their silver bullet or missed with it. I think RB is good in best case scenario whereas blaspheme while shittier always provides info


this is not a contest. I am a crap townie and I'm pretty decent at scum, which is why I am very confident in the situation I described to you, but I was not very confident in the end that LS would flip scum.

Even if the bullet gets refunded you are potentially keeping a townie alive for another cycle at least because a silver bullet during a half cycle results in a flip (if it is successful) at the end of said half cycle.

In other words if you RB the witch hunter successfully the target ends up living for the next day to push lynches with you. That's almost equivalent to saving them as a medic/JK. The only difference is that the RB can actually directly stop normal KP delivery, which in this game is incredibly useful because a JK on a good townie can actually prevent a blue usage.

Now of course saving that townie is more valuable than the blue usage but it's better to have more townies alive for longer than it is to rely on things like DT checks.

DT is only good in best case scenario. RB is good even in not so good scenario, simply because the number of scummers is so low. Remember a green DT check doesn't mean shit, it's only the red one that matters.

On June 10 2015 09:03 batsnacks wrote:
What if all 3 morph? That seems really good considering 1 silver bullet left.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 10 2015 00:32 GMT
#907
Nice try.
On June 10 2015 07:51 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 07:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
obviously your only choice is to take my opinion at face value, because I could certainly be under the effects of confirmation bias, especially since I knew his roles going into reading those posts. However I think the differences in tone, emotion, style, and specificity are enough for me to be confident that this is not his town game, even if he did get mislynched for what you think is a similar style. Sorry, but you're most likely just wrong.

A toneread is better than an overall metaread, wouldn't you agree, WBG?

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On June 10 2015 07:50 Kickstart wrote:
Indeed I am.

it's okay. I was just rxn testing you. I don't think you're scum.

So which is it. Am I scum or not scum.

Also I don't put much trust in your "reads", nor should anyone else.
On June 10 2015 04:35 Bill Murray wrote:
i know for a fact WBG is scum the way he acted
and if hes town its worthy of policy
but it's not what I know it's what I can convince you all to do with me
Super town:
Batsnacks
Yamato
Breshke
Tubesock

slight town:
Onegu
LightningStrike
Kickstart
Shockeyy

Scum:
WBG
FrozenFeet
Stutters

I may be forgetting someone from this list but this is where I'm at on this game

Your nice list post (which I almost always read as scummy- lost posts with nothing), was blatantly wrong on stutters and probably wbg, might be right on foot but I think you are bussing so whatever. Of course you were wrong on LS as well.
On June 10 2015 07:30 Bill Murray wrote:
FF you only started calling me scum when i made a joke about your post being scumposting

but you are actually town so i understand why youre doing this

But then you are as wishy washy on FF as you are with everything else so. You are just keeping options opens and potential "outs" for yourself, scum play.
On June 10 2015 07:39 Bill Murray wrote:
i dont think LS is mafia but self preservation is key

Wrong again.
On June 10 2015 07:44 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 07:39 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 10 2015 03:27 FreezingFoot wrote:
No, really.
BM scumreads bugs with me
BM ignores the townie points I've brought on bugs
BM townreads Shockey out of NOTHING and wants to lynch coinflip stutters instead
BM scumreads me, who was scumreading bugs (his main scum read) out of a stupid association with STUTTERS.

Please. Vote this guy. It's ridiculous


I dont really scumread bugs, I was trying to get information
I have to ignore cases for/against him until he puts out more information. The spreadsheet was great, but he threatened to not play here anymore. I was hoping he came back because I really enjoy having someone like that in the town with me.
I townread shockeyy for a good reason. I have played with him more than anyone else has here so I am definitely the meta master when it comes to him. my meta on WBG, however, was contrived, as I don't have a reference to him playing scum. He has always been someone who has been hard for me to read except when he is blue and I nightkill him as mafia (which ive done numerous times because it's obvious to me when he has a power role [he lurks more than he is here], as opposed to how he is acting right now, as vanilla town who im voting to get a power tonight... i mean he could be a miller but thats still vanilla and i dont think millers are self aware this game)

I didnt ever scumread you. I said "^scumposting" as a joke; it wasn't even to get a reaction out of you. The association thing with stutters came afterwards and that is actually very serious. I could see you being scum if he is scum, unless he was trying to buddy you on a WBG lynch. If Stutters is mafia it clears WBG although WBG doesnt need clearing considering he made that awesome spreadsheet.

More wishywashiness on foot. Keeping your options open instead of committing; scum mentality.
On June 10 2015 07:47 Bill Murray wrote:
I'd be a lot happier voting kickstart/a lurker than LS but I'm beginning to come around to this lynch considering WBG is so solid on it

I bet you would, scum.
On June 10 2015 07:55 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway not gonna post for a bit because I need to draft up the night post for my own game.

pls no voteswitch

i'm not unvoting, but if he flips green, i'm voting you tomorrow

You aren't unvoting aye? Nice lies.
On June 10 2015 07:59 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 07:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I just going to vote to save myself
##Unvote
Vote: Bill Murray

this is town play

No it isn't.
On June 10 2015 07:59 Bill Murray wrote:
i dont want to voteswitch onto him i just dont want to lynch LS i dont think LS is scum

Said you wouldnt voteswitch did it anyways and the target you switched off of was scum.
On June 10 2015 08:19 Bill Murray wrote:
ive had more towntells than anyone

wrong again
On June 10 2015 08:52 Bill Murray wrote:
before this nightphase is over fully expect me to have a good case on someone

probably more lies.

Just concede already scum.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 10 2015 00:33 GMT
#908
By the way bats you have the same misunderstanding as me. A power can't be chosen more than once so all three cant morph
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 10 2015 00:34 GMT
#909
On June 10 2015 09:33 Breshke wrote:
By the way bats you have the same misunderstanding as me. A power can't be chosen more than once so all three cant morph


nah

Morph (up to 3 witches may use this per night) - Veteran, does not stop Silver Bullets
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 10 2015 00:35 GMT
#910
On June 10 2015 09:30 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 09:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:21 Breshke wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:03 Breshke wrote:
How is role block any better than blaspheme

If you RB the scum that doesn't send the kill you literally have no info the RB is only useful if it hits. Blaspheme at least gives the distinct answer if someone is or isn't the priest


what?

It may have no effect only if the RB hits the priest.

I don't think scum are ballsy enough to both deliver the KP and a silver bullet on the same player (if they choose to fire a silver bullet tonight). If they try to snipe a blue tonight they almost certainly will use both players to deliver KP, otherwise if the witch hunter gets RBed both of their KPs fail

I am 99% sure I play better scum than you and let me be frank when I say a DT check would not scare me in this setup nearly as much as an RB or a jailkeeper prot.


I'm 100% sure you play scum better than me no one was having a dick measuring contest but thanks for getting yours out to show

Silver bullet gets refunded if role blocked so it's not like they really lose that kp also if someone role locks someone and there is still one shown kill does that mean that person is mafia or maybe scum didn't use their silver bullet or missed with it. I think RB is good in best case scenario whereas blaspheme while shittier always provides info


this is not a contest. I am a crap townie and I'm pretty decent at scum, which is why I am very confident in the situation I described to you, but I was not very confident in the end that LS would flip scum.

Even if the bullet gets refunded you are potentially keeping a townie alive for another cycle at least because a silver bullet during a half cycle results in a flip (if it is successful) at the end of said half cycle.

In other words if you RB the witch hunter successfully the target ends up living for the next day to push lynches with you. That's almost equivalent to saving them as a medic/JK. The only difference is that the RB can actually directly stop normal KP delivery, which in this game is incredibly useful because a JK on a good townie can actually prevent a blue usage.

Now of course saving that townie is more valuable than the blue usage but it's better to have more townies alive for longer than it is to rely on things like DT checks.

DT is only good in best case scenario. RB is good even in not so good scenario, simply because the number of scummers is so low. Remember a green DT check doesn't mean shit, it's only the red one that matters.

Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 09:03 batsnacks wrote:
What if all 3 morph? That seems really good considering 1 silver bullet left.


If scum attempt to blue snipe then morph is useless. Morph gets better after the silver bullet is definitely used, so if two townies die or if a townie flips at the end of a day without getting lynched then morph becomes better.

My problem with morph probably stems from my own style of play because it's a relatively complacent thing to do unless you are really really sure you will eat the scum KP for some reason. At least if you are JK or RB you have a chance of stopping something else if you get blue sniped, which is fairly likely for someone who thinks they are townie enough to get shot.

I personally as scum would blue snipe the person I think is the top townread in the thread simply because it is so overwhelmingly likely that they are blue. The only thing that saves them at that point is an RB on the witch hunter, which again is not possible if people morph instead.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 10 2015 00:35 GMT
#911
Nah morph specifically says all 3 witches can use it. The other powers can only be used once tho
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 10 2015 00:35 GMT
#912
Lol derp soz
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 10 2015 00:36 GMT
#913
you guys should read the thread carefully and attempt to think before you post because any little slips can give mafia a lot of info
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 10 2015 00:37 GMT
#914
On June 10 2015 09:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 09:30 batsnacks wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:21 Breshke wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:03 Breshke wrote:
How is role block any better than blaspheme

If you RB the scum that doesn't send the kill you literally have no info the RB is only useful if it hits. Blaspheme at least gives the distinct answer if someone is or isn't the priest


what?

It may have no effect only if the RB hits the priest.

I don't think scum are ballsy enough to both deliver the KP and a silver bullet on the same player (if they choose to fire a silver bullet tonight). If they try to snipe a blue tonight they almost certainly will use both players to deliver KP, otherwise if the witch hunter gets RBed both of their KPs fail

I am 99% sure I play better scum than you and let me be frank when I say a DT check would not scare me in this setup nearly as much as an RB or a jailkeeper prot.


I'm 100% sure you play scum better than me no one was having a dick measuring contest but thanks for getting yours out to show

Silver bullet gets refunded if role blocked so it's not like they really lose that kp also if someone role locks someone and there is still one shown kill does that mean that person is mafia or maybe scum didn't use their silver bullet or missed with it. I think RB is good in best case scenario whereas blaspheme while shittier always provides info


this is not a contest. I am a crap townie and I'm pretty decent at scum, which is why I am very confident in the situation I described to you, but I was not very confident in the end that LS would flip scum.

Even if the bullet gets refunded you are potentially keeping a townie alive for another cycle at least because a silver bullet during a half cycle results in a flip (if it is successful) at the end of said half cycle.

In other words if you RB the witch hunter successfully the target ends up living for the next day to push lynches with you. That's almost equivalent to saving them as a medic/JK. The only difference is that the RB can actually directly stop normal KP delivery, which in this game is incredibly useful because a JK on a good townie can actually prevent a blue usage.

Now of course saving that townie is more valuable than the blue usage but it's better to have more townies alive for longer than it is to rely on things like DT checks.

DT is only good in best case scenario. RB is good even in not so good scenario, simply because the number of scummers is so low. Remember a green DT check doesn't mean shit, it's only the red one that matters.

On June 10 2015 09:03 batsnacks wrote:
What if all 3 morph? That seems really good considering 1 silver bullet left.


If scum attempt to blue snipe then morph is useless. Morph gets better after the silver bullet is definitely used, so if two townies die or if a townie flips at the end of a day without getting lynched then morph becomes better.

My problem with morph probably stems from my own style of play because it's a relatively complacent thing to do unless you are really really sure you will eat the scum KP for some reason. At least if you are JK or RB you have a chance of stopping something else if you get blue sniped, which is fairly likely for someone who thinks they are townie enough to get shot.

I personally as scum would blue snipe the person I think is the top townread in the thread simply because it is so overwhelmingly likely that they are blue. The only thing that saves them at that point is an RB on the witch hunter, which again is not possible if people morph instead.


If all 3 morph we lose at most 1 blue and at most 1 townie no matter what, and the townies that survive are probably strong. Any other course of action it is possible to lose up to 2 blues and 2 strong townies.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 10 2015 00:40 GMT
#915
On June 10 2015 09:37 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 09:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:30 batsnacks wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:21 Breshke wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:03 Breshke wrote:
How is role block any better than blaspheme

If you RB the scum that doesn't send the kill you literally have no info the RB is only useful if it hits. Blaspheme at least gives the distinct answer if someone is or isn't the priest


what?

It may have no effect only if the RB hits the priest.

I don't think scum are ballsy enough to both deliver the KP and a silver bullet on the same player (if they choose to fire a silver bullet tonight). If they try to snipe a blue tonight they almost certainly will use both players to deliver KP, otherwise if the witch hunter gets RBed both of their KPs fail

I am 99% sure I play better scum than you and let me be frank when I say a DT check would not scare me in this setup nearly as much as an RB or a jailkeeper prot.


I'm 100% sure you play scum better than me no one was having a dick measuring contest but thanks for getting yours out to show

Silver bullet gets refunded if role blocked so it's not like they really lose that kp also if someone role locks someone and there is still one shown kill does that mean that person is mafia or maybe scum didn't use their silver bullet or missed with it. I think RB is good in best case scenario whereas blaspheme while shittier always provides info


this is not a contest. I am a crap townie and I'm pretty decent at scum, which is why I am very confident in the situation I described to you, but I was not very confident in the end that LS would flip scum.

Even if the bullet gets refunded you are potentially keeping a townie alive for another cycle at least because a silver bullet during a half cycle results in a flip (if it is successful) at the end of said half cycle.

In other words if you RB the witch hunter successfully the target ends up living for the next day to push lynches with you. That's almost equivalent to saving them as a medic/JK. The only difference is that the RB can actually directly stop normal KP delivery, which in this game is incredibly useful because a JK on a good townie can actually prevent a blue usage.

Now of course saving that townie is more valuable than the blue usage but it's better to have more townies alive for longer than it is to rely on things like DT checks.

DT is only good in best case scenario. RB is good even in not so good scenario, simply because the number of scummers is so low. Remember a green DT check doesn't mean shit, it's only the red one that matters.

On June 10 2015 09:03 batsnacks wrote:
What if all 3 morph? That seems really good considering 1 silver bullet left.


If scum attempt to blue snipe then morph is useless. Morph gets better after the silver bullet is definitely used, so if two townies die or if a townie flips at the end of a day without getting lynched then morph becomes better.

My problem with morph probably stems from my own style of play because it's a relatively complacent thing to do unless you are really really sure you will eat the scum KP for some reason. At least if you are JK or RB you have a chance of stopping something else if you get blue sniped, which is fairly likely for someone who thinks they are townie enough to get shot.

I personally as scum would blue snipe the person I think is the top townread in the thread simply because it is so overwhelmingly likely that they are blue. The only thing that saves them at that point is an RB on the witch hunter, which again is not possible if people morph instead.


If all 3 morph we lose at most 1 blue and at most 1 townie no matter what, and the townies that survive are probably strong. Any other course of action it is possible to lose up to 2 blues and 2 strong townies.


why couldn't you lose two townies? Scum could choose to kill someone who they think is not likely to be blue.

Of course that's not necessarily an optimal shot but you don't need to kill the best townies to win as scum. In fact a lot of the time you can turn townies on each other just because you leave some good ones who have the wrong reads alive.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 10 2015 00:41 GMT
#916
but yeah, I agree with the general sentiment. Morph is definitely not a bad choice if you think you have a good chance of getting shot. It unfortunately just doesn't advance us anywhere if successful, in terms of finding scum, it just delays the game longer.

RB has the nice property of a successful RB on the night KP both dragging the game out longer and giving us a really good lead.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 10 2015 00:44 GMT
#917
On June 10 2015 09:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On June 10 2015 09:37 batsnacks wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:30 batsnacks wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:21 Breshke wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:03 Breshke wrote:
How is role block any better than blaspheme

If you RB the scum that doesn't send the kill you literally have no info the RB is only useful if it hits. Blaspheme at least gives the distinct answer if someone is or isn't the priest


what?

It may have no effect only if the RB hits the priest.

I don't think scum are ballsy enough to both deliver the KP and a silver bullet on the same player (if they choose to fire a silver bullet tonight). If they try to snipe a blue tonight they almost certainly will use both players to deliver KP, otherwise if the witch hunter gets RBed both of their KPs fail

I am 99% sure I play better scum than you and let me be frank when I say a DT check would not scare me in this setup nearly as much as an RB or a jailkeeper prot.


I'm 100% sure you play scum better than me no one was having a dick measuring contest but thanks for getting yours out to show

Silver bullet gets refunded if role blocked so it's not like they really lose that kp also if someone role locks someone and there is still one shown kill does that mean that person is mafia or maybe scum didn't use their silver bullet or missed with it. I think RB is good in best case scenario whereas blaspheme while shittier always provides info


this is not a contest. I am a crap townie and I'm pretty decent at scum, which is why I am very confident in the situation I described to you, but I was not very confident in the end that LS would flip scum.

Even if the bullet gets refunded you are potentially keeping a townie alive for another cycle at least because a silver bullet during a half cycle results in a flip (if it is successful) at the end of said half cycle.

In other words if you RB the witch hunter successfully the target ends up living for the next day to push lynches with you. That's almost equivalent to saving them as a medic/JK. The only difference is that the RB can actually directly stop normal KP delivery, which in this game is incredibly useful because a JK on a good townie can actually prevent a blue usage.

Now of course saving that townie is more valuable than the blue usage but it's better to have more townies alive for longer than it is to rely on things like DT checks.

DT is only good in best case scenario. RB is good even in not so good scenario, simply because the number of scummers is so low. Remember a green DT check doesn't mean shit, it's only the red one that matters.

On June 10 2015 09:03 batsnacks wrote:
What if all 3 morph? That seems really good considering 1 silver bullet left.


If scum attempt to blue snipe then morph is useless. Morph gets better after the silver bullet is definitely used, so if two townies die or if a townie flips at the end of a day without getting lynched then morph becomes better.

My problem with morph probably stems from my own style of play because it's a relatively complacent thing to do unless you are really really sure you will eat the scum KP for some reason. At least if you are JK or RB you have a chance of stopping something else if you get blue sniped, which is fairly likely for someone who thinks they are townie enough to get shot.

I personally as scum would blue snipe the person I think is the top townread in the thread simply because it is so overwhelmingly likely that they are blue. The only thing that saves them at that point is an RB on the witch hunter, which again is not possible if people morph instead.


If all 3 morph we lose at most 1 blue and at most 1 townie no matter what, and the townies that survive are probably strong. Any other course of action it is possible to lose up to 2 blues and 2 strong townies.


why couldn't you lose two townies? Scum could choose to kill someone who they think is not likely to be blue.

Of course that's not necessarily an optimal shot but you don't need to kill the best townies to win as scum. In fact a lot of the time you can turn townies on each other just because you leave some good ones who have the wrong reads alive.


Yeah I misworded that. At most 1 blue dies at most 2 townies die then mafia powers are gone. I think 3 morph is strong. Town is ahead, 3 morph protects town from worst case scenarios.

I think 3 morph is a lot weaker with 2 witchhunters alive and wouldn't recommend it if that were the case.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 10 2015 00:47 GMT
#918
I'm actually not that much of a fan of morph. If scum shoots you and you don't die they just silver bullet you the next day. Actually I guess that gives us more blues next phase idk it is w/e

BM can you explain why you switched off of LS or direct me to a post where you explained it
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 10 2015 00:49 GMT
#919
On June 10 2015 09:47 Breshke wrote:
I'm actually not that much of a fan of morph. If scum shoots you and you don't die they just silver bullet you the next day. Actually I guess that gives us more blues next phase idk it is w/e

BM can you explain why you switched off of LS or direct me to a post where you explained it


It's a vet not a vest if scum shoots you they die.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 10 2015 00:52 GMT
#920
On June 10 2015 09:47 Breshke wrote:
I'm actually not that much of a fan of morph. If scum shoots you and you don't die they just silver bullet you the next day. Actually I guess that gives us more blues next phase idk it is w/e

BM can you explain why you switched off of LS or direct me to a post where you explained it

I don't tend to answer questions directed at other people because it's bad but regardless of his answer look at this post he made:
On June 10 2015 07:55 Bill Murray wrote:
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On June 10 2015 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway not gonna post for a bit because I need to draft up the night post for my own game.

pls no voteswitch

i'm not unvoting, but if he flips green, i'm voting you tomorrow

Says won't unvote does it anyways.

But you can read my general take on bill in my long post earlier. He just tried to leave his options open on day1. Was wishywashy on everything, committed to nothing. This is not town thinking this is scum thinking and trying to leave himself "logical" outs that he can point to. His mistake was trying to leave outs on everything he fucking said.
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