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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 09 2015 23:57 GMT
#881
Yeh blaspheme is good. Scrying would maybe find their other bullet but will also implicate our miller so meh.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 09 2015 23:59 GMT
#882
yeah so maybe tracker and blaspheme are roughly equivalent. I think scrying is worthless.

RB and JK still the best

So I would say

RB/JK top 2, definitely. JK is probably a bit harder to use, and it sadly does not stop delivery of KP (which of course would render RB a weaker choice so I can understand why the hosts decided that, although you could argue it)

3rd would be tracker/blaspheme.

Mason is not that great IMO because most people in this town don't really talk that much and are unlikely to really say anything all that useful, although I suppose a 1-to-1 PM with a townie would make a really good combination team. I would imagine that any townie worth masoning would probably be dead tomorrow anyway so probably not worth it

Scrying sucks cause you can't actually trust either result, and it's a complete coinflip when you hit red

morph is ok if you think you're gonna get shot

Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 10 2015 00:01 GMT
#883
Ah. would be boss if you could morph other peeps. But too op cause all 3 of our witches can use morph so U could save all the peoplez.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 10 2015 00:01 GMT
#884
there seems to be a chasm on what people think of me. I wouldnt mind this sort of argument, but the fact that it is repeated constantly is honestly quite annoying. First of all, I'm not just a player in the game. I'm a person. The type of person whose feelings can become hurt.

Now that that is out of the way, I feel like FF has slipped. On Numerous occasions, there are times where she has been saying something like "X is town" without any qualifiers. This is a JEEP tell. if someone successfully guesses their scumbuddy, assuming she is scum with LS, as this becomes more and more obvious, at the end of the phase, FF was fairly against voting LS. She pushed WBG, she pushed me, and seemed to flip flop on anyone that was not LS. It was quite fishy.

FF also OMGUSED WBG early on in the game. Town can OMGUS, but I don't think this was the town sort of OMGUS. This seemed like it had scum motivation. WBG was hardpushing her, and she didn't really want to go down without a fight. This is when I gave her an opportunity. I took over the reigns of pushing WBG>this let her back off, and attack anyone else who called her scum. She sees no motivation from me to back off WBG and push her the way I am now, but like I've said, my WBG push was reaction based. I wasn't taking it past the first day, even without the spreadsheet (that spreadsheet was magnificent by the way)

Given the way LS didn't scumread anyone, where is the reasoning for FF to not have voted him? I can see why you guys think I'm scum, because I backed off of my vote, but I would ask of you to let me live a little bit longer because I really want to play as town
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 10 2015 00:02 GMT
#885
morph becomes way better after the silver bullet is used

if the silver bullet fails we have no way of knowing though.

actually in some sense that might be a good thing. If we get a townie to flip due to silver bullet there should never be any fears of claiming

although with multiple claims scum can easily fake claim too

fuck this setup is insane
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 10 2015 00:03 GMT
#886
How is role block any better than blaspheme

If you RB the scum that doesn't send the kill you literally have no info the RB is only useful if it hits. Blaspheme at least gives the distinct answer if someone is or isn't the priest
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 10 2015 00:03 GMT
#887
What if all 3 morph? That seems really good considering 1 silver bullet left.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 10 2015 00:04 GMT
#888
WBG you say blaspheme on me would return red

how about you just lynch me tomorrow instead?

You lynch me tomorrow, and when I flip VT you are lynched the next day, deal?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 10 2015 00:04 GMT
#889
On June 10 2015 09:01 Bill Murray wrote:
there seems to be a chasm on what people think of me. I wouldnt mind this sort of argument, but the fact that it is repeated constantly is honestly quite annoying. First of all, I'm not just a player in the game. I'm a person. The type of person whose feelings can become hurt.

Now that that is out of the way, I feel like FF has slipped. On Numerous occasions, there are times where she has been saying something like "X is town" without any qualifiers. This is a JEEP tell. if someone successfully guesses their scumbuddy, assuming she is scum with LS, as this becomes more and more obvious, at the end of the phase, FF was fairly against voting LS. She pushed WBG, she pushed me, and seemed to flip flop on anyone that was not LS. It was quite fishy.

FF also OMGUSED WBG early on in the game. Town can OMGUS, but I don't think this was the town sort of OMGUS. This seemed like it had scum motivation. WBG was hardpushing her, and she didn't really want to go down without a fight. This is when I gave her an opportunity. I took over the reigns of pushing WBG>this let her back off, and attack anyone else who called her scum. She sees no motivation from me to back off WBG and push her the way I am now, but like I've said, my WBG push was reaction based. I wasn't taking it past the first day, even without the spreadsheet (that spreadsheet was magnificent by the way)

Given the way LS didn't scumread anyone, where is the reasoning for FF to not have voted him? I can see why you guys think I'm scum, because I backed off of my vote, but I would ask of you to let me live a little bit longer because I really want to play as town


my apologies if I hurt your feelings.

I also tend to get annoyed/angry in mafia, as I'm sure you can tell.

However since you are probably mafia, anyone saying that your opinion doesn't matter simply means...well, that you're scum and your opinion doesn't matter.

If you are actually town just try to convince us who the last two scum are. If it makes sense and is reasonable, I promise I won't kill you.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 10 2015 00:05 GMT
#890
On June 10 2015 09:04 Bill Murray wrote:
WBG you say blaspheme on me would return red

how about you just lynch me tomorrow instead?

You lynch me tomorrow, and when I flip VT you are lynched the next day, deal?


see this is why people don't think you're town

even if you flip VT in no world does it make sense to lynch me afterward
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 10 2015 00:06 GMT
#891
Bill I think you and foot are both scum. I am most interested in why we should consider you town and who other than foot you think is scum. What have you done this game that benefits or shows that you are town?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 10 2015 00:07 GMT
#892
On June 10 2015 09:03 Breshke wrote:
How is role block any better than blaspheme

If you RB the scum that doesn't send the kill you literally have no info the RB is only useful if it hits. Blaspheme at least gives the distinct answer if someone is or isn't the priest


what?

It may have no effect only if the RB hits the priest.

I don't think scum are ballsy enough to both deliver the KP and a silver bullet on the same player (if they choose to fire a silver bullet tonight). If they try to snipe a blue tonight they almost certainly will use both players to deliver KP, otherwise if the witch hunter gets RBed both of their KPs fail

I am 99% sure I play better scum than you and let me be frank when I say a DT check would not scare me in this setup nearly as much as an RB or a jailkeeper prot.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 10 2015 00:09 GMT
#893
also blaspheme on witch hunter returns green which means you need to have the foresight to ignore the result

most people are dumb and when they get back a green DT result aren't nearly smart enough to ignore it when they need to
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 10 2015 00:09 GMT
#894
i havent really done much to prove my innocence honestly
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 10 2015 00:10 GMT
#895
the last t hing is that given that it's unlikely the witches will be the same night to night (simply due to deaths and different votes and whatnot) it's unlikely that a green DT result will end up meaning anything. if someone gets DT and gets a green result and then dies afterward that result has probably been wasted. You need to be alive for an investigation to matter.

The DT check is only useful when you gamble and it pays off in hitting red. Then you can immediately claim and eat the silver bullet if you have to because the target you just outted has to be scum.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 10 2015 00:11 GMT
#896
On June 10 2015 09:09 Bill Murray wrote:
i havent really done much to prove my innocence honestly

Indeed. While you have simultaneously done quite a few things that are scummy.
See your dilemma if you are town?
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 10 2015 00:12 GMT
#897
And an even bigger problem for you is that while foot and you are the most scummy, now I will just think you are bussing each other to get town cred. This is why you try and do stuff to prove you are town day 1 friend.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 10 2015 00:14 GMT
#898
On June 10 2015 09:11 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 09:09 Bill Murray wrote:
i havent really done much to prove my innocence honestly

Indeed. While you have simultaneously done quite a few things that are scummy.
See your dilemma if you are town?


He had a pretty strong dumbtell at eod.

On June 10 2015 07:53 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 07:52 Kickstart wrote:
Obvious no, but I am still of the opinion you shouldn't tell who you voted to get powers. Of course you could be scum and just making shit up cause scum don't actually vote for ppl to get powers.

scum get a vote to pick powers too dude
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 10 2015 00:16 GMT
#899
On June 10 2015 09:14 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 09:11 Kickstart wrote:
On June 10 2015 09:09 Bill Murray wrote:
i havent really done much to prove my innocence honestly

Indeed. While you have simultaneously done quite a few things that are scummy.
See your dilemma if you are town?


He had a pretty strong dumbtell at eod.

Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 07:53 Bill Murray wrote:
On June 10 2015 07:52 Kickstart wrote:
Obvious no, but I am still of the opinion you shouldn't tell who you voted to get powers. Of course you could be scum and just making shit up cause scum don't actually vote for ppl to get powers.

scum get a vote to pick powers too dude

You mean you think he genuinely thought that? I'm not so sure.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 10 2015 00:17 GMT
#900
i am a much better player once the numbers start thinning out, contrary to what WBG said about me "we cant keep bill around or he will mess this up for us"

believe it or not, i am quite good at analyzing votes relating to who has to be mafia ... the difference here is that it is hard to do that where it's not instant majority. in instant majority, i can use deductive reasoning to see who could have blitzed potentially.

here it takes a little more analysis of the final votecount. lets think of the lynch we had on LS.
there were only like 3-4 people that werent voting him. Me, batsnacks, freezingfoot, and tubesock

there will be 1 mafia in there

batsnacks is likely town other than the last minute voteswitch which was scummy
so that leaves 50-50 between tubesock and freezingfoot
tubesock buddied me pretty hard, but i still have to trust my gut and go with freezingfoot

the other scum will likely be in the list of people who were voting LS. I'm not counting batsnacks on the list because he changed his vote when it was irrelevant

If you look at the remaining 8 players The Shining, WBG, and Yamato scream town to me. That leaves, like, Onegu, Breshke, Shockeyy, and Kickstart

Onegu would be tryharding more as scum
Breshke is really hard for me to read - null
Shockeeyy I think is town for meta reasons
that leaves Kickstart who I've toyed around with the idea of being scum

So to me scum are Kickstart and FrozenFeet

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