Carnaval do Brasil Mafia

On May 21 2015 08:25 rsoultin wrote:


-temptates some more-

On May 21 2015 10:14 geript wrote:
/in
Who all's predicting the D1 Geript policy lynch for being too good at mafia and not good enough at town? Also for not being able to be read by anyone.

<---this guy

On May 21 2015 12:00 geript wrote:

Nah, I would've survived for a while, but it's a process as simple as lynch all the blues then turn to the VTs. And they get to ignore Stutters and save Yamato for last. It's scrub play. It requires town to be exceptional idiots on the whole for a long, long time while also being able to push other lynches. Plus, I've already played a game like that before and I don't really want to play a 10-12 day game to likely lose around day 7 or 8. But hey, keep on being salty about sucking as scum and town since your fall from greatness.

On May 21 2015 11:46 Holyflare wrote:
yeh cz you a scrub

On May 22 2015 07:21 fuba wrote:
hiiiiiiiiiiii :D

On May 22 2015 07:02 Holyflare wrote:
confirmed town

On May 22 2015 13:12 Damdred wrote:
I'm surprised someone didn't pick out the hypocrisy in geripts point about me though, I've actually forming a town circle atm that I'll post about in a few minutes. Extra town points for someone who can point out the flaw

On May 22 2015 16:49 geript wrote:
ewbop: fixed
Like here's a TL;dr timeline
1. Sandroba has no reads
2. Ritoky asks useless pointless questions that lead nowhere
3. Sandroba gives ritoky townread
4. Sandroba retracts townread because of point 2

How is this critical thinking or reading that's characteristic of Sandro's townplay?

On May 22 2015 23:33 rsoultin wrote:


damdy and rit have this bromance thing goin xP i imagine jello baths, actually lol

On May 22 2015 23:37 Holyflare wrote:
ritoky seems far too serious to me btw, pointless questions aside

On May 22 2015 23:42 sandroba wrote:

Bad but not mafia? Did you read my post on him and his follow up BS angry post?

On May 23 2015 00:09 Damdred wrote:
Its ok I dislike me to, when I look in the mirror I frown. The world is against me xoxo.

But on a serious note I fell asleep XD

On May 22 2015 13:12 Damdred wrote:
I'm surprised someone didn't pick out the hypocrisy in geripts point about me though, I've actually forming a town circle atm that I'll post about in a few minutes. Extra town points for someone who can point out the flaw

On May 22 2015 13:14 Damdred wrote:
Hypocrisy isn't the right word but he invalidates his entire read on me basically to a point.

On May 23 2015 02:13 fuba wrote:
Good morning~

I've just recently woken up and have caught up with the thread. Kinda have to read some filters to get some actual opinions though. Lemme know if there's anything you'd like me to look at specifically ^^

A few questions:
1) Is geript prone to faking those kind of angry posts as scum? I don't know if I agree with his outcome yet, but the post itself definitely makes me read him as town.
2) Has Yamato rolled scum a lot lately? I don't remember much of his townplay (my memory is sketchy at best -_- ), but if I correctly remember the general tone of his scumplay after he's rolled scum a few games in a row, it felt like his play this game - simply throwing out assorted thoughts without taking a more active part in the game.

On May 23 2015 04:07 ritoky wrote:


wasn't that the 2nd post of the game????? the fuck is this justification?

On May 23 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote:
rip, joke went over my head.

On May 23 2015 04:10 prplhz wrote:

yea maybe it's sarcasm but you're still just being annoyed with damdred giving a read. there's no "you can't' make reads like that so early in the game so you're scum" or "people shouldn't listen to you because you're just making things up but you do that as either alignment"

to me it just looks like some passive aggressive remark because someone made a read.

On May 23 2015 08:15 prplhz wrote:

Is this some meta thing I don't understand?

On May 23 2015 08:24 27ninjabunnies wrote:



Can I ask why you think Prp/VA are mafia?

On May 23 2015 08:27 Holyflare wrote:


va had a sure read on someone, in my exp va has sure reads as mafia

prpl called ff mafia based on a single post that was really not what he portrayed it as at all and instead of checking the rest of his actual content filled filter he didn't bother following it up + his bad join onto onegu wagon although that's less so

On May 23 2015 08:30 ritoky wrote:


So you haven't read the filter or the case of your top mafia read.....is this serious?

most posting day 1 almost always = town. the #1 filter is town over 90% of the time. so uh, you're just wrong.

nothing else is worth responding to.

sandro??/geript/va/damd/ritoky

On May 23 2015 08:35 prplhz wrote:
I don't know what to think about the falling asleep thing but it could be important. Might sheep rsoultin on it.

On May 23 2015 08:38 rsoultin wrote:
lol o.0

>>

<<

i still haven't read all of the 8 games i tabbed \o/ probably cause there are 8

it's a town prp <3 and the day you convince me that you can play as scum at all i'll bother actually worrying about your content xP lol

@bunnies prob va's read on me...it was the only decent one but not meta lol >< i think most people don't even bother

hf, you think it's another rit/damdy scumteam? cause i don't see a damdy misreading rit unless they're both scum (think i may have mentioned this before :/) not sure that i can read rit any more reliably than i can read geript -_- lol...i just remembered how dumb i was being in joat while rereading it

On May 23 2015 08:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
I know not all of my points are new and exciting but can someone comment on my case please? I'm going out for the night soon and would like people to raise concerns before I go afk

On May 23 2015 08:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
RASPUTIN??

How was damdred's list good?!??

He hyped up his list and then posts random names with no resoning? are you scum with damdred or what?

On May 23 2015 08:45 ritoky wrote:


I think HF might be mafia for this.

On May 23 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote:
Well I'm actually going to ignore the cases posted on me not because I think either opinion is bad because I have been pretty lackluster, but I think it makes ff lock town and hf was already pretty towny anyeay.

The most interesting thing that I'm going to parrot I believe and wish would get more attention is the sudden flip of sand. While it's all well and good to agree with another read what's the point of,going through all,the motions that he put together with Geript to stop pushing just to sheep another case on 27nb.

Which I'm actually pretty sure 27nb is town at this juncture, posts just read really naturally to me she's involved in almost everything in the thread amazing follow up and has a actual thoughts. Meta wise so different from scumbunnies to me at least.

I'm not sure this makes sand mafia btw, I'm a bit torn while it's apparent that what he did was scummy he's posting so free and so much I still think he's town. It would be an amazing break to his meta to substation thus amount of posting for so long.

On May 23 2015 08:49 ritoky wrote:




#rekt

va had a sure read on someone, in my exp va has sure reads as mafia

On May 23 2015 08:52 Damdred wrote:


Don't be a stick in the mud and only cling to one thing hf. If That had all I had posted about I possibly could see but don't be like that

On May 23 2015 08:53 ritoky wrote:


HOLY SHIT HOW DO YOU OF ALL PEOPLE NOT GET THIS?

do I have to do what I did in the start of hearthstone mafia for you?

On May 23 2015 08:51 Holyflare wrote:




that just proves my point ty

it's funny how you're more interested in trying to prove a point than actually find mafia

you were trying to prove that bunnies reads were bad
you were trying to point how my reads were wrong
you don't really have any drive to find mafia people and lynch them but more interested in picking out points to hound on

On May 23 2015 09:00 rsoultin wrote:
mmm :/

damdy one read more impressive if damdy one read wasn't echoing a couple of others' (hf, mine, etc. etc.) reads on sandy...what had you reading ff town so early, damdy? (assuming the honest bunnies thing is the reason for the bunnies read; correct me if i'm wrong xP)

On May 22 2015 08:29 Holyflare wrote:
So, whenever you guys want to lynch geript and get a free mafia lynch I'll potentially unafk just for you guys

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 23 2015 09:49 rsoultin wrote:
nh :/

lol not feeling a damdy lynch...and yes it's tone! \o/ yay for hypocrites!

On May 23 2015 09:57 rsoultin wrote:


tch making me do work xP

this mostly rings true apart from the yama read

pretty sure damdy isn't scum, man xP

On May 24 2015 00:09 rsoultin wrote:
-_-

i'm tryyyyyyying to be good and let you...i dunnae, appeal to prp before he leaves for the day if you're actually town here, geript...but i don't have much patience lol ><

yama scumreading you aside, does that also apply to holyflare? to sandroba? like who gives a fuck what yama thinks, anyway; he's not playing this game and is scum lol >< even if we say sandy is scum, too, which i'm not entirely convinced of (though the longer he stays away from the thread the more i question that) it's holyflare's read people are sheeping. why are you talking about yama?

On May 24 2015 00:18 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Also, I'm going camping today, so I may or may not be around for deadline.... I'll be posting from my phone. You have approximately 30 mins to convince me my vote should go somewhere else.

Still not convinced.

On May 24 2015 00:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Oh I have read.

Still think Sand is mafia....

If I had more than 30 mins, I'd have a huge ass case...

On May 24 2015 00:25 Holyflare wrote:


but you say exactly 0 things that make geript not mafia?

On May 24 2015 00:28 Holyflare wrote:


and if you quote the part where you say you liked what he said about sandroba i will refer you to the part where geript was proved to be lying about it

On May 24 2015 00:28 Holyflare wrote:


and if you quote the part where you say you liked what he said about sandroba i will refer you to the part where geript was proved to be lying about it

On May 24 2015 00:28 Holyflare wrote:


and if you quote the part where you say you liked what he said about sandroba i will refer you to the part where geript was proved to be lying about it

On May 24 2015 00:28 Holyflare wrote:


and if you quote the part where you say you liked what he said about sandroba i will refer you to the part where geript was proved to be lying about it

On May 24 2015 00:28 Holyflare wrote:


and if you quote the part where you say you liked what he said about sandroba i will refer you to the part where geript was proved to be lying about it

On May 24 2015 00:28 Holyflare wrote:


and if you quote the part where you say you liked what he said about sandroba i will refer you to the part where geript was proved to be lying about it

On May 24 2015 00:28 Holyflare wrote:


and if you quote the part where you say you liked what he said about sandroba i will refer you to the part where geript was proved to be lying about it

On May 24 2015 00:28 Holyflare wrote:


and if you quote the part where you say you liked what he said about sandroba i will refer you to the part where geript was proved to be lying about it

On May 24 2015 00:28 Holyflare wrote:


and if you quote the part where you say you liked what he said about sandroba i will refer you to the part where geript was proved to be lying about it

On May 24 2015 00:38 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Does geript go this aggro as mafia?

Or switch/lessen his read on me, when I think Im a pretty easy push?

On May 24 2015 00:44 Holyflare wrote:
like seriously there are like 3 main talking points between your scum read sandroba and your town read geript and you even made a decision on their alignments based on those conversations AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS WERE!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?

nah

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

nahhhhhhhhhhhhh way bruv

On May 24 2015 00:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Well this is a long quote of nothing.
Just save me time with finding said quote, if you already have a counter to it and post it.

On May 24 2015 00:51 27ninjabunnies wrote:


No, I know what they were. I read them.

But I'm more curious as to what you think about them. I didn't notice a slip or anything of geript lying, so if you want to poit it out so I can assess it, please do.

I'm sorry that I can't be all that you need HF, but I'm trying love!

JUST LOVE ME DAMMIT.

*cries*

(But seriously.... that was me askin for your read on it)

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 24 2015 00:52 geript wrote:
I'm commenting on what I find important. I'm kinda assuming that a group of mafia and deroy town will lynch me. And my townreads are usually quite fantastic. So I'd like to get those out before I die so people don't lynch my townreads.

On May 24 2015 01:08 Damdred wrote:
I read it hf and I doubt I could push oneg through against you while I'm at work.

However I,think it has merit. I just don't only want to talk about that.

On May 24 2015 01:06 rsoultin wrote:


the part where you've proven she hasn't read the thread closely enough to notice sandroba's ritoky read wasn't the way geript represented it? eh -_- could be. are you saying only scum could do that, though?

On May 24 2015 01:11 geript wrote:

I dis agree. I don't think it was.

On May 24 2015 01:16 Holyflare wrote:
HAHAH no it wasn't

you said sandroba had a town read on ritoky but then rescinded it because of things ritoky had already done and then you quoted posts saying that's all the posts that changed his mind but it actually wasn't and you missed out a whole bunch of posts

On May 24 2015 01:18 geript wrote:
My point was that ritoky hadn't started asking dumb useless questions after the townread. He had done that between the point that Sandroba had no reads and the point where Sandroba townread him. Even if Sandroba was joking about rescinding the read, it's not a &anew trend' that started after the read.

On May 24 2015 01:21 rsoultin wrote:


lol depends xP were you trying to get me to call you scum for it, or just trying to prove that my oversimplification last game was wrong?

On May 24 2015 01:45 sandroba wrote:
I'm getting cold feet on geript now that he is more calm. I'm reading his recent post a bit towny but still stuck with the way he acted early game. I actually agree with what he pointed about yamato's post and this is the second time he has posted something that feels very mafia. The way he opens up the post is a lot different from what I expect from town yamato, who normally does not care about what people think. The way he explains his read on me and geript is also pretty bad "i dont understand what is going on, both of them seem mafia" and nothing that I've seen from town yamato in previous games. What's not to understand from all of that? How can you even believe me and geript are mafia together?
I need to take my gf to the hospital real quick and will be back in a few hours so we can talk this through a bit more.

On May 24 2015 01:52 rsoultin wrote:


is there a game you know off the top of your head where sandy actually played as mafia?

Geript has been perhaps more consistent but that's how he plays mafia. Sandro's reads essentially make no sense, I don't agree with most of the things he's saying, and that's how I feel he plays mafia.

On May 24 2015 06:24 geript wrote:
It's still around and I don't trust you and think you're scum. But I've gotten in enough stupid town on town fights to think it can just be a misunderstanding on both sides. Plus, the fact that people for the most part have been happy to 'watch the fight happen' without actually analyzing (or over analyzing) either side heavily makes me think that mafia is happy to let the fight play out. That leads me to think there's a decent chance of town on town.

On May 24 2015 06:36 sandroba wrote:
HF's defense of nb is a bit weird to me. Also the way he is been talking about me demonstrates he clearly sees my posts from a townie perspective and agrees with most (all?) my points, even the ones I made on nb. Yet when I post something he comes in and say I might be scum. So yes I wouldn't trust HF at this point. Not going so far as calling him scum yet because it looks different from our recent scum game together, but I'm having a hard time seeing his perspective as town.

On May 24 2015 06:38 geript wrote:

Because I'm focusing on getting better and not being so over involved so I don't fly off the deep end.

On May 24 2015 06:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Onegu/Sand/ wouldnt lynch geript ever.

On May 24 2015 07:15 rsoultin wrote:


because you know i'm sure he would have realized that this meant you actually were switching your vote and he could save himself ^^

On May 24 2015 07:18 sandroba wrote:
hf if you don't read me town at this point I don't know what to say to you.

On May 24 2015 07:20 rsoultin wrote:


granted

doesn't mean i'm less irritated with you

On May 24 2015 07:23 rsoultin wrote:


^^ switching your vote last minute but posting that wishy-washy shit in the thread

eh it probably doesn't matter -_- i don't like to lynch soft claims day 1 so i don't know that i would have switched to her anyway, even if geript's last post didn't look like scum

On May 24 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:


+1

why should i be irritated at damdy again, hf?

On May 24 2015 07:29 rsoultin wrote:


nope, i'm irritated because your post was misleading ^^ i already said i probably wouldn't have switched to bunnies there, considering i was thinking about it but didn't because of the soft claim

On May 24 2015 07:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'm hardclaiming a role. Vig don't shoot me thanks.
If cop wants to check me, go ahead.

I'll give my reads later on.

I didn't want to lynch geript for who was voting on him.

As of now, im going to enjoy family time and let you all stew over which role i am.

Hint: I softed throughout this entire game basically to ritoky....

Mafia- Ritoky is leaning mafia for me,

On May 23 2015 08:31 27ninjabunnies wrote:


I think you are bad. Like, Im sure if a cop checked you, you would be red.

I'm very disappointed that you probably won't live til tomorrow to fake green me this game. Well, that's if we don't lynch Sand first.... If we do, by all means, bring the green check on.

On May 24 2015 08:09 prplhz wrote:
holyflare: bunnies town geript scum choo choo

proceeds to vote bunnies

granted i didn't read from page 31 onwards but wtf

On May 25 2015 03:53 Onegu wrote:



She claimed blue D1 what makes this vigi claim anymore believable?

On May 25 2015 04:41 Onegu wrote:
Like why are you believing her vet claim but not her day 1 blue claim?

On May 25 2015 05:14 ritoky wrote:


softs she is vigi going to shoot me -> "i may or may not be a role" -> votes on her -> "am a role" -> vet claim

it is going to be hard for me to read that line as townie, but if you want to explain i will honestly try read it. i am not closed to it just being dumb town play.

On May 25 2015 05:29 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Anyone want to know anything before I prob get shot as the vet? I'm camping so,posting,from,my,phone.

On May 25 2015 05:33 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Because I didn't see what you saw in geripts posts. I didn't see them as mafia. I saw sand as mafia more than geript. Therefore, I voted on sand

On May 25 2015 05:42 Holyflare wrote:


wtf are you talking about "see what you saw", If I tell you that he has lied about a set of events that makes someone mafia and looked bad for it then why do you STICK TO YOUR ORIGINAL POINT OF SANDROBA BEING MAFIA FOR IT when it's provable false!??!?!?!?!?!

I don't believe that you have read it.

Prove it to me. You say that gerips points about sandroba in regards to ritoky make sense. Explain my side of the argument and what happened in a brief summary in 5 minutes or less otherwise i just flat out know you are lying.

On May 25 2015 05:51 27ninjabunnies wrote:


I never said in response to ritoky. I said geripts posts about sand make sense. Mostly his original post on sand. I'm reading ritoky as mafia separately from what geript said.
.Also between the argument of sand and geript, I was reading sand more mafia than sgeript. You claim inconsistencies, but I didn't,notice them.

I would quote if I could, but again, camping, hard to quote on phone in 5 mins.

San is most definitely mafia tho. I even said probably one between geript and sand. I have the fact that geript didn't vote on me and sacrificed himself instead o,ekilling me to back that partially.

On May 25 2015 05:54 prplhz wrote:
seriulsy lets kill 27 i see no reason to ever claim vet as town ever

On May 25 2015 05:55 Fecalfeast wrote:
HF I know you're grilling NB but you mentioned that you thought sandro was town quite a bit, what changed your mind recently?

On May 25 2015 05:56 prplhz wrote:

why would that make her do it?

On May 25 2015 05:59 27ninjabunnies wrote:
As mafia, why would I claim vet and not an actually cop or other role to see if I can role hunt?

On May 25 2015 05:54 Holyflare wrote:


what the fuck is this

GERIPT MADE POSTS ABOUT SANDROBA THAT WERE PROVEN TO BE FALSE. THOSE POSTS WERE IN REGARDS TO SANDROBAS READ ON RITOKY. I didn't claim inconsistencies. I claimed flat out fucking wrong. There is nothing there that made any sense whatsoever. It was all in the wrong order, wrong timeline, wrong everything.

I fucking told you to read them. If you read them you would reverse your bs read that you've had from the first post you made in the game. You didn't read them at all. You've just proven that.

On May 25 2015 06:00 prplhz wrote:

yea claim vt and vt outs himself and they know who is vt and they shoot our vt and town is fucked.

i mean vet, she might as well just have claimed vt which would be better than claiming vet.

the town gains absolutely nothing from knowing she's vet, only thing we can do is have vig shoot her and then she lives then she's confirmed vet. unless rb happened to block vig because then she's not confirmed and we will not know if rb blocked vig. so we don't really know anything and we lose our vig, if we even have one.

on the other hand claiming vt and clawing her way back from being scum read, maybe she can soak up a mafia shot. and if she's lynched then who cares if she's vet, she can't confirm herself as per my previous paragraph.

unless someone can explain to me why a town vet would ever claim vet i'm voting 27 tomorrow.

On May 25 2015 06:07 ritoky wrote:




seems like a legitimate to me.

On May 25 2015 06:10 ritoky wrote:


if she is a mafia role, mafia roles do these things called night actions, and these things called mafia night actions generally speaking are bad for the town. your leave her be and count blues strategy potentially leaves a mafia role alive deep into the game for no beneficial reason other than she might be a blue. i disagree from pure procedure.

On May 25 2015 06:12 prplhz wrote:

didn't you just host that game where the host who i don't remember exactly who was bastarded the setup so hard with a miller and a godfather and a framer and a cop and according to some people it was super imbalanced but that's just something that happens sometimes

we can't count of balance to confirm/debunk the existence of a vet, ever

On May 25 2015 06:16 prplhz wrote:

no he didn't? he decided on the setup before deciding on the teams.

also scum team was jat rayn onegu and none of them are decidedly bad at scum and most of them are actually quite good as scum (one getting nominated for his scum performance in that very game)

On May 25 2015 06:19 Onegu wrote:
Rsoul is town for knowing if I rolled scum I would play more. I was sick during XXX hammer time is a better example.

HF is mafia

NB mafia also

On May 25 2015 06:19 ritoky wrote:
how is calling someone your top mafia read, 1 mafia between these 2, and admitting you haven't even read the person's filter town?

man we read people differently.

On May 25 2015 06:25 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I mean, I get I haven't read everything thouroughly and HF doesn't get my reasoning,

But prp. seriously. Read. I already said why

On May 25 2015 06:26 ritoky wrote:


so generally speaking your reason for TRing her and this claim is that everything surrounding it just seems too stupid to be a poorly executed mafia strategy by some1 who is admittedly camping and away from the game and not reading the thread closely?

On June 08 2015 07:33 Half the Sky wrote:
Now onto the hosting/post-game comments. Several issues arose that I think feedback might be helpful for.

General acknowledgements (mea culpa/stuff that I'll change for next time)
1 Replacements do not reset votes - modkills do.
This was in reference to Damdred's replacement, Oats should have started with 4 votes. It was not alignment indicative but it was pointed in Obs QT that Sandroba's thinking was clouded because of it.

2 Do not start games on holiday weekends (major holiday in many countries which I was unaware of)
This was also a problem for the recently ended NSM10. I should have waited until Sunday or even after the so-called Memorial Day. Day 1 was a lot more dead than it ever should have been.

3 Setup issues - this is a tossup
First, no more third parties for minis. The survivor role was universally panned, maybe for larger games it makes sense but never again for 13 players. This is not a reflection on how VA played the role, but I can understand the arguments against it regardless who drew it.
Second was whether mafia should have had an untrackable GF with a wanderer already in the game. It didn't matter in this game, but could have mattered in different situations. If I had to do it again though I'd have given mafia the RB and two vanilla scum.

4 Modkills
Slam and prplhz posting after the deadline - prplhz was during the night and Slam was seconds after my own prompt, not to mention Rasputin posting at 00:01 just before we declare mafia victory. LS queried on her, but I said not to modkill especially since it was before our prompt. To improve this and make more consistent - modkill after deadline rule will be consistent with the timestamp of xx:01. Therefore there is no debate regardless when a host says stop posting could be variable.

Questions for everyone

1 Vote counts - were they done often enough?

2 Time cycle: Oats asked me if a day could be shortened for a single day. I know you can never shorten days mid-day but could this be done the night before? I was told that changing day cycles are usually permanent.

3 Future games - Night 0 never flies in a mini, right? (I've never played video mafia so IDK)

4 Activity dips in the summer from what I hear - should posting requirements be raised? What has been done in the past?

5 Should I consider a closed setup or does this not matter?

There were no behaviour issues this game. Replacements - thank you for volunteering.

Anything I missed give me a shout!
Anything you want to add, chime on in.

On June 08 2015 08:25 Half the Sky wrote:
I did not know extending phases was possible. I know shortening them was never permitted.