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On May 28 2015 11:43 prplhz wrote:
he could be scum claiming 3p?
okay something is seriously wrong with this role when he wins with both town and mafia? that means he has no incentive to do anything but claim and let the game play out on its own?
Don't get me wrong, I agree that he could be scum claiming 3p but I feel like this is all a waste of time. Today is going to have maybe a little more discussion until everyone ends up voting va while the thread stagnates and scum has a fucking cocktail party in their qt in va is actually survivor.
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On May 28 2015 11:45 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 11:43 prplhz wrote:
he could be scum claiming 3p?
okay something is seriously wrong with this role when he wins with both town and mafia? that means he has no incentive to do anything but claim and let the game play out on its own? 3p doesn't have much incentive to claim anything, because then he gets shot by mafia. granted, claiming or softing mason with me probably gets me shot by mafia first lol >< but then i don't flip mason so he gets lynched. it's retarded any way you look at it if your wincon is to survive till endgame
why would mafia shoot 3p
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it says nothing in the OP about 3p having to be dead for mafia to win
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On May 28 2015 11:46 prplhz wrote:
it says nothing in the OP about 3p having to be dead for mafia to win
Wait so we have a dumb 3p who actually takes away from town's wincon just by existing?!
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On May 28 2015 11:46 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 11:45 rsoultin wrote:On May 28 2015 11:43 prplhz wrote:
he could be scum claiming 3p?
okay something is seriously wrong with this role when he wins with both town and mafia? that means he has no incentive to do anything but claim and let the game play out on its own? 3p doesn't have much incentive to claim anything, because then he gets shot by mafia. granted, claiming or softing mason with me probably gets me shot by mafia first lol >< but then i don't flip mason so he gets lynched. it's retarded any way you look at it if your wincon is to survive till endgame why would mafia shoot 3p
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swahili
i am fucking speaking swahili again ><
the point is 3p claiming MASON is retarded
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3p is essentially a non-participant. lol. that's why i'm saying something is wrong with that role as described in the OP. the only thing it could be there for is for scum to claim, but they'd have to claim it straight away because that's optimal play for an actual 3p (whose only win condition is that he needs to be alive when the game ends).
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On May 28 2015 11:45 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 11:43 prplhz wrote:
he could be scum claiming 3p?
okay something is seriously wrong with this role when he wins with both town and mafia? that means he has no incentive to do anything but claim and let the game play out on its own? 3p doesn't have much incentive to claim anything, because then he gets shot by mafia. granted, claiming or softing mason with me probably gets me shot by mafia first lol >< but then i don't flip mason so he gets lynched. it's retarded any way you look at it if your wincon is to survive till endgame
hm?
i claimed after nightkill
if you flip town but not mason then they will just be confused. only if you flip mafia would i get lynched.
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Win Condition: Reduce Mancha Verde to the point where they cannot overcome your numbers, or nothing can prevent this from happening.
The only way I can spin this to mean he (3p) needs to die is that technically town can use the 3p to overcome scum and the op says 'cannot'
It's actually so fucking stupid if mafia doesn't even need to kill 3p this is basically a no-lynch at best.
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On May 28 2015 11:48 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 11:45 rsoultin wrote:On May 28 2015 11:43 prplhz wrote:
he could be scum claiming 3p?
okay something is seriously wrong with this role when he wins with both town and mafia? that means he has no incentive to do anything but claim and let the game play out on its own? 3p doesn't have much incentive to claim anything, because then he gets shot by mafia. granted, claiming or softing mason with me probably gets me shot by mafia first lol >< but then i don't flip mason so he gets lynched. it's retarded any way you look at it if your wincon is to survive till endgame hm? i claimed after nightkill if you flip town but not mason then they will just be confused. only if you flip mafia would i get lynched.
-_- yeah cause that's what i'm talking about, not the soft claim that at least two of the players in the game noticed
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On May 22 2015 08:31 Holyflare wrote:
Oh yeh and while I'm still totally afk if there is a 3p and he doesn't claim day 1 then he is entering a legally binding contract to never claim 3p this entire game or be lynched
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On May 28 2015 11:49 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +Win Condition: Reduce Mancha Verde to the point where they cannot overcome your numbers, or nothing can prevent this from happening. The only way I can spin this to mean he (3p) needs to die is that technically town can use the 3p to overcome scum and the op says 'cannot' It's actually so fucking stupid if mafia doesn't even need to kill 3p this is basically a no-lynch at best.
you actually saying you believe he's 3p, ff?
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well to be clear i dont mind being lynched not a big deal. just sad my fun didnt work i shoulda picked some one else i guess
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either OP is wrong or 3p is a non-participant who should claim d1 and then post only not to get modkilled. that's the only way i can see it. the only other use of the potential of the role in the game is that mafia can claim it if they feel like it.
i agree it makes no fucking sense for VA to do this shit as scum but it makes even less sense as actual 3p and no sense as town.
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On May 28 2015 11:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
well to be clear i dont mind being lynched not a big deal. just sad my fun didnt work i shoulda picked some one else i guess
-_- honestly i was townreading you for it cause i saw no good reason for scum to soft claim so hard, even if you weren't telling the truth, but you fucked up when you tried to get other claimed roles lynched with it
frankly, prp, i agree that it seems nonsensical from every angle -_-
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I don't know. I think it was retarded for va to claim as survivor, but equaly as retarded as mafia. I don't get why he wouldn't claim first day either. The thing is I think it's likely the role is in the game. Should be an auto lynch here normally but If scum has vigi this is mylo.
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can everybody please agree that 3p as described in the OP wins with both town and scum and additionally, neither town nor scum needs him to be dead in order for them to win.
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On May 28 2015 11:56 prplhz wrote:
can everybody please agree that 3p as described in the OP wins with both town and scum and additionally, neither town nor scum needs him to be dead in order for them to win.
i don't think that's in dispute?
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a scum vig would have shot n1.
why?
because it's a free kill and they don't some crazy town vigilante to shoot the scum vig out of nowhere before he gets his shot off.
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On May 28 2015 11:52 prplhz wrote:
either OP is wrong or 3p is a non-participant who should claim d1 and then post only not to get modkilled. that's the only way i can see it. the only other use of the potential of the role in the game is that mafia can claim it if they feel like it.
i agree it makes no fucking sense for VA to do this shit as scum but it makes even less sense as actual 3p and no sense as town.
I'm waiting for confirmation.
@rasputin
I honestly see the logic of his mason claim more clearly from 3p perspective than from scum. That being said it doesn't rule him out as scum but to me the 3p claim doesn't help him in any way here if he is scum
Except to stagnate the thread like I mentioned earlier which will hapen regardless of his alignment. Especially if he's a non-factor
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ok if anyone else has a role it's time to claim.
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