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Still not sure about how much time I am going to have this week. =/ Hopefully I will be able to figure that out the next few days. If I won't have enough time, I am calling obs.
Also how does that shadowing stuff work? The player and the shadow get a QT, where they can discuss the strategy/posts/reads and so on of the player?
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Okay, thanks. Will try to verify my schedule tomorrow.
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Okay, tried to figure out my schedule. 50% chance that I won't be around for EoD/EoN on Friday (reliance on other ppl is great). Saturday is super tight and it is likely that I only have 2-3 hours for mafia that day and will pretty much 100% miss EoD/EoN. Other than that I should have plenty of time.
Would that be acceptable?
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Alright, fair enough.
/in
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##WatchWarmly
to reiterate my pre game excuse: very very little time on Saturday. University seminar from morning to afternoon and a pen&paper rp group in the evening. Will try to be around in between, but I also have to eat.
GL & HF everyone
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Looking forward to see how this will play out with the possibility for all those crazy roles.
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Holy hell. All the fluff in the Day 1 start post... or whatever it is actually supposed to be called. <3
Also: disformation present and accounted for!
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On May 22 2015 07:07 sicklucker wrote: like wth is the theme of this game who are these cute lil anime girls and how are they not creepy
Typical first reaction to a sicklucker post: *facepalm*, then I think about it for a second and start to laugh madly. Well the fluff and stuff was already included in the op post and where the roles where explained. I think someone also posted where this fluff comes from?
I don't know much about it, but the touhou games are bullethell games where the main characters are little girls with magical powers.
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So. anyone else around? Or still reading the day 1 post? Anyway I should be here for like 2-3 hours.
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Well, I plan on reading you correctly. Your style of play was really confusing for me at first. I plan to compare your play to last game, if I have any trouble with you this time.
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On May 22 2015 07:42 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 07:39 Tictock wrote: Batsnacks are you throwing Iching reading for us? On a scale of 1 to 10 how relevant is this reading and which parts do you think best apply to the game or good town play in general?
Still can't process the lake floating in the sky above the mountain. Might take some time to answer questions regarding actual content. xD
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On May 22 2015 07:53 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 07:45 disformation wrote:On May 22 2015 07:42 batsnacks wrote:On May 22 2015 07:39 Tictock wrote: Batsnacks are you throwing Iching reading for us? On a scale of 1 to 10 how relevant is this reading and which parts do you think best apply to the game or good town play in general? Still can't process the lake floating in the sky above the mountain. Might take some time to answer questions regarding actual content. xD The lake isn't floating that wouldn't make any sense. It's just a lake at the top of a mountain like at the summit or something.
Indeed. Should have read the whole post. Anyway after reading it twice now, I found a part I could apply to mafia:
On May 22 2015 07:36 batsnacks wrote: Thus the superior man encourages people to approach him By his readiness to receive them.
[...]The image counsels that the mind should be kept humble and free, so that it may remain receptive to good advice. People soon give up counseling a man who thinks that he knows everything better than anyone else.
Uh... so let me try this... The italic part says a good towny is up to talk about things happening in the thread and does not be too super defensive if someone else calls him scum. He is open and active and tries to get people to talk in order to find scum. And the other part says that he should look at all the people and be open to reconsider his reads, otherwise he might tunnel super hard.
Still super cryptic stuff. At least I had something to think about for a bit. xD
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Uh. Didn't realize the Mafia QT would be open since 24h either. Otherwise I would have said something about his cheap read. xD Still not seeing a lot to lynch sicklucker though. I kinda expected him to post "lol didn't read" stuff regardless of his alignment anyway. Though he was super eager to paint himself townie:
On May 22 2015 07:22 sicklucker wrote: disinfo you gonna correctly read me town again?
Solid town read on Tictock for now. Asking all the questions I wish I had asked. xD I agree that BM should explain his bunnies vote, if he is as serious as he claims.
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On May 22 2015 09:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 09:01 disformation wrote:Uh. Didn't realize the Mafia QT would be open since 24h either. Otherwise I would have said something about his cheap read. xD Still not seeing a lot to lynch sicklucker though. I kinda expected him to post "lol didn't read" stuff regardless of his alignment anyway. Though he was super eager to paint himself townie: On May 22 2015 07:22 sicklucker wrote: disinfo you gonna correctly read me town again? Solid town read on Tictock for now. Asking all the questions I wish I had asked. xD I agree that BM should explain his bunnies vote, if he is as serious as he claims. You're probably going to hit a wall here because he is almost certainly as serious as he claims. He has fired his shot the ball is in our court now. Fair enough. Still want his explanation for the vote. Or better yet: why I should support this wagon. Btw I was browsing the Mafia Database for your games to see if you did that Iching reading stuff in other games. Was only able to find one game, where you did a similar reading at the start of the game. (assassination mafia). You were town that game. Also liked your reaction here:
On May 22 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote: @tictok what if you're mafia trying to pocket me with your overtly friendly wiles? I'm onto you mister you best be scared.
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EBWOP: Well, I guess BM doesn't look all too serious to me. =p At least he is enjoying himself.
@BM: you lurking, or do you want to contribute something? Thoughts on what happened so far?
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On May 22 2015 09:43 Tictock wrote: SL looks like he is trying to me... I'm not sure what to make of it yet.
I'm more worried about BM atm. That lurk mode...
And where are the rest of the newbies? I was expecting to see scott around at least.
sicklucker reminds me of his D1 from last game to me. (nsm IX) Where he did say that he doesn't like D1 and his performance was very similar to this. Though I think that is just his overall game. Will probably try to compare these two games in a day or two, when there is stuff to work on.
Don't like BM lurk mode either.
We also have six (did I count right?) people who haven't posted at all... I hope they will be around a lot tomorrow, since I don't have much time Saturday and want to get some reads on before that.
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Could F5 this baby 24/7. But it is after 3am and I want to get some work done tomorrow. I'm out, but will be around tomorrow a lot.
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Hey guys, glad more people are active now. Currently at work, so I am not at 100% capacity. Still found something I want to point out:
On May 22 2015 11:34 Sulfurus wrote: I also scum read Murray due to his weak and untrue accusation against Dis in post #191 which made me think Sick is town since he tried Bandwagoning on him but he has since rescinded his vote. Which made me think "what did BM accuse me of? And when I looked at #191:
On May 22 2015 10:25 Bill Murray wrote: Disinformation the game so far has been people reacting to a post batsnacks has , premade,
Sicklucker is someone I want to see more from
The scum qt thing I agree with because I didn't realize it would have been open either considering town couldn't talk ...... Accusation where? There is also nothing else regarding me in his filter.
On May 22 2015 13:07 Sulfurus wrote: Unvote Breshke ##Vote: Bill Murray
I am actually astonished at how Murray can make so many posts with out providing anything of value on top of the fact that he has pushed every one of his agenda's in a scummy manner.
So... @Sulfurus: Can you point out what you mean with accusation? If this was accusation thing was a mistake, how does that change your view on BM? Does his filter still look scummy enough to lynch him?
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On May 22 2015 21:40 Tictock wrote: Also disappointing Batsnacks hasn't reappeared since the start of the game...
@Dis, what do you make of Barakos' stance against you?
Hmm... His main point is that I didn't give many conclusions and that I gave him the vibe of trying to look good.
I think the only real read I gave was my town read on you. So yeah he is totally right. :D
To be fair I don't think there was that much to conclude on yesterday. sicklucker I can see either mafia or town agenda in a lot of posts. But he is trying a lot harder than last game. Breshke had a weird tunnel on sicklucker, but his motivation sounded town to me.
Who I am currently suspicious of is bunnies. I will make a short post on bunnies and explain why soonish.
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Okay to reiterate my conclusion on sicklucker:
- He is trying harder than last game. Not sure if that is a mafia or town tell with him. - Mostly looks like last game, where he was town. - A few posts that are a bit odd. E.g.:
On May 22 2015 07:22 sicklucker wrote: disinfo you gonna correctly read me town again? Could be town: trying to get a reaction from me. Could be mafia: trying to pocket me, by praising me and pressing how townie he is.
Last game I couldn't read the guy at all D1. And D2 he did stuff which made it a lot easier to do so. So I currently wouldn't lynch him, but look really hard at his D2 and see if it lines up with last game and D1 (looking for inconsistencies).
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Okay. bunnies time.
On May 22 2015 07:07 27ninjabunnies wrote: EBWOP:
Scum #Vote: Sicklucker Starts with randomly voting sicklucker. kay. Pretty NAI imo.
On May 22 2015 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:Glad we can agree on something. Though I am curious, why do you think he is mafia? I saw something about dumbtelling, but I am unsure exactly what the dumbtell was on. Agrees with Breshke. Not seeing why. Apparently even Bunnies was not sure why they are agreeing. Not being sure about the dumbtell is a sign of not reading properly. Which I don't like either.
On May 22 2015 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 08:38 sicklucker wrote: Breske realizes scum qt was given out 24 hours ago. Would he be this blatantly obv as scum? bunnies are you the veg because you might need to shoot him again I will neither confirm nor deny I am a role. I'll leave that up for mafia to decide. However, I could possibly be down for a breshke lynch if we don't lynch you today. I see a bus in the midst. From the same post as last quote. First agrees with Breshke and then is like "nah, let us lynch you". Because "I see a bus"?
On May 22 2015 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote: Everyone who is considered a newbie, answer this: What is the most important thing you think has happened in the game so far? I like this question. But it is a really general question. Not sure if it would be hard for mafia to ask stuff like this.
On May 22 2015 11:09 27ninjabunnies wrote: Give me substance BM! I know you can do it! I agree, but again this is a question Mafia could also have asked easily.
On May 22 2015 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote: Sulfurus top town newbie read. Not lynching for entire game.
Or maybe atleast 2 days Then this. Can't see how Sulfurus can be seen as more townie than ticktoc of that one post... that had a strange thing in it (the accusation thing I explained earlier)? Pocket attempt? Was the question a setup for Sulfurus they agreed on in their QT? Me no like.
On May 22 2015 12:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 12:30 sicklucker wrote: Plots one post was so null it hurts I agree What do you think about bunnies saying she didn't know what reasons I was pushing you for but then going on to say that she would lunch both of us because she thought it could be a bus before I clarified the reason This is a great question! + Show Spoiler +And you fell right into my reaction trap. Breshke, what do YOU think of this? + Show Spoiler + When asked about stuff that I also pointed out the reaction is total deflection and trying to laugh it of. Me no like.
In my book bunnies is not looking good at all. Totally leaning scum. I need to look at a few other ppl, but I guess I am willing to vote on bunnies as of now.
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EBWOP: And my last post talks about pretty much 100% of bunnies filter. Besides the early aggression on sicklucker and/or Breshke, a very soft poke on BM and falling in love with Sulfurus I don't see much either.
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Ah cool, you are here bunnies.
On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, so let's look at this post.
First off, I actually like you. I disagree with the pushon you. Noted. Could be an attempt to please me, so I stop pushing you.
On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote: Secondly, the vote on SL was due to him first coming into the thread with "Confirmed town". Troll post=troll vote. Yup. That is why I called it NAI.
On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote: However, I haven't moved my vote on SL because SL hasn't done anything to prove to me he is town. I'll go over this a bit later. Looking forward to see that.
On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote: When saying Breshke and SL were partners, in part I was joking. I was trying to get some type of reaction from SL, which if I remember correctly I don't think I ever got. It was Breshke that actually started questioning this, which I really REALLY like of Breshke. As SL said, I shot him as vig in a previous game, he was mafia. I usually have a good read on Breshke, and this questioning makes me think that Breshke is town.
So even if I didn't get information out of SL from this (SL prob still my top lynch, followed by newbie Boxer for that awful first couple of posts), I did get information on Breshke's alignment.
I really like this answer. Haven't looked much at boxer yet, could you highlight some things that sprung out for you? I skimmed it and I didn't see anything that would strongly lead me in either direction. Though he could be mafia trying to play the newb card?
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On May 22 2015 22:54 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 22:52 disformation wrote: Haven't looked much at boxer yet, could you highlight some things that sprung out for you? I skimmed it and I didn't see anything that would strongly lead me in either direction. Though he could be mafia trying to play the newb card?
If this was in response to me, I was asking about Bill Murray. I just posed my thoughts on boxerfred (who I've been abbreviating BF, fyi).
Nope, this wasn't my response to your BM question. Will reread him shortly. Actually got something to do at work, so that might take a moment.
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Okay finished with work. Will be on my way home soon. Should back in around 1h. First glance at the interaction between ticktoc and BM I got the feeling that BM was just trolling around trying to provoke a reaction from ticktoc, which he got. Otherwise a bit spamy, but I can see towny posts here and there. Will read more carefully when I am back at home. But I still want to see some more action from him today.
@plotspot: You stated that you think that mafia is/was already active in the thread trying to test the waters. Who would you pick out as Mafia?
@Sulfurus: Did your reads on Breshke change? Who would be your #2 lynch after Breshke, if he is still your top scum?
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On May 23 2015 00:32 Barakos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 00:15 disformation wrote: @Sulfurus: Did your reads on Breshke change? Who would be your #2 lynch after Breshke, if he is still your top scum? He already switched votes to bm. But I can see, how someone could miss this, given that sulfurus already got 5 posts. :p
*facepalm* Oh my, I am such a genius. :D Comes from mixing work and mafia I guess. Anyway you get townie brownie for pointing that out.
@plotspot: great. looking forward to see what you'll deliver.
@bunnies:
On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote: However, I haven't moved my vote on SL because SL hasn't done anything to prove to me he is town. I'll go over this a bit later. Just a friendly reminder.
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@scott; So BM is your top scum read? I like your explanation for that. Do you have a solid #2 atm and why? Noticed any noteworthy things? What do you think of the interactions with bunnies and BF?
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EBWOP: Maybe should clarify... was asking about bunnies and BF in general, since there was a bit of interaction going on earlier.
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@tictock: you are asking a lot of questions, which I like. Last set of your reads states that your #1 lynch is plotspot, breshke is a scum lean and sicklucker is a forced null.
Assuming plotspot does the stuff he promised and looks town of of that, who would you lynch? breshke? Do you have anything you think makes Breshke look like he is scum other than his opening? As described in:
On May 22 2015 12:50 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 12:19 Breshke wrote: Bunnies how can you think it is a bus without even knowing what I was pushing SL about? It was because of his early tow read on disinfo saying he was town because he wasn't stunned by a scum qt and was posting early which didn't make sense because Qts were given out 24 hours prior. He then went on to do nothing useful.
Did I think this was scummy yes. As scummy as I made it seem I believed it to be no. I know SL can be lazy D1 so I thought some pressure would be good for him to get him involved hence why I liked bats post because it was the same thought process I was following so it likely makes bats town.
I still am fairly unsure on SLs alignment but that's nothing new but it did give me a read on bats and SL isn't being lazy.
@sulf you have a problem with me tunnelling SL for bad reasoning so does that mean you think his read on disinformation was a good one or? Could you explain why anything I've said that could make SL scum be wrong This is a decent explanation, but I don't like how much he disregarded while tunneling SL. Not a strong enough case for me to pursue but I'd like to see more from him. Hoping to see this pick up by the time I wake up.
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@Barakos: Besides me, who else do you read as scum and/or are you willing to lynch. And please explain why. Also: If you have any other questions for me, feel free to ask.
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On May 23 2015 01:54 batsnacks wrote: Boxerfred is never mafia in this game. I am extremely critical of anyone that thinks they can scumread him for any reason. That said, boxerfred should lay off the role speculation. It's too early to speculate about that stuff.
When you are back later could you highlight some parts that make you think this way?
On May 23 2015 01:58 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 09:05 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote: @tictok what if you're mafia trying to pocket me with your overtly friendly wiles? I'm onto you mister you best be scared.
Let's all vote SL though. I feel like town SL has close to zero chance of being lynched because he'd never let that happen. Putting pressure on SL and breshke's reads can only lead to good things.
##vote: sicklucker I really like this post and not even because it's telling people to vote SL the thought process is spot on. I had kinda forgotten about this post. It actually kinda nullifies my reasons for suspecting Bre in the first place too. I'll move him to a slight town lean for now. So if Plots suddenly replaces or something, I'd be willing to get on a BM wagon. Scott is another good target right now I think, he really hasn't done mush more than plots.
Okay noted. Even more townie brownies for you... and yeah I currently feel a bit like we are waiting on the people who haven't done much to do something (scott/plotspot) and the people who were off (due to timezone/work/sleep/whatever) to get back and give new input. =/
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On May 23 2015 02:09 batsnacks wrote: Oh and I don't remember any posts from Scott or sulfur.
scott basically hasn't done anything so far and sulfur had that one (mostly) good post that "everyone" loves him for. Really itching to see so more of them today.
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On May 23 2015 02:16 batsnacks wrote: @disinfo No. I don't do the quote/comment on quote thing. What I said about boxerrfred is going to be a take it, leave it, or tell me why it's wrong sort of things.
Kay. Will note that down for later reference. Was asking because I am not 100% sold on boxerfred. He pushes the newbie/unsure card quite a bit. Votes on BM and drops that vote as soon as he sees a case, although he admits that he didn't read the case. Can be seen as "as I am mafia I don't care which towny dies anyway." So I am a bit suspicious.
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On May 23 2015 03:44 boxerfred wrote: Then, I want to point out that batsnacks is limiting himself to short posts, not writing too much. Indicating that a) he's got no time or b) he wants to keep attention to him to a minimum. Can't imagine a c) but I'm not too experienced so maybe someone has an explanation.
He mentioned why here:
On May 23 2015 01:54 batsnacks wrote: I was leaning scum on bunnies and she made some decent responses. I am critical of her scumread or whatever it is on boxerfred I don't understand how anyone can scum read that guy. If I were near a computer or had more time for anything but a brief update I would probably be filtering bunnies.
Also. Since you like my case but see a lot of town in bunnies, where do you place bunnies now? Who would you lynch as of now and why?
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On May 23 2015 04:00 batsnacks wrote: Also notice how boxerfred has thoughts on me that are totally separate from my hard townread on him. He is seriously top town. Mafia definitely ignores me, happy that I've been pocketed.
I have some difficulty understanding this. A bit tired atm. Yes he has thoughts on you separate from your town read on him. I can see him getting town points for that. Then you say mafia is ignoring you. I can't remember any pushes on you right now, so okay.
The next part is confusing me. You imply that you have been pocketed by boxerfred, right? And that mafia is happy about that. Wouldn't that make boxerfred more likely to be mafia? Or are you saying mafia is happy about that because his reads are not dangerous to them? What is the purpose of your post? What are you trying to tell me?
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On May 23 2015 04:43 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 03:49 disformation wrote:Also. Since you like my case but see a lot of town in bunnies, where do you place bunnies now? Who would you lynch as of now and why? I place bunnies at someone who's really trying to gather information, can't really tell if that's for scum or for town. Tending towards town somehow though.
I want to see a bit more fire! Scum generally doesn't want the town to collect new information... unless said information turns out to be confusing or distracting for town. Do you get that feeling from bunnies?
Also nothing on the second part of the question... still no idea who to vote for I guess? Keeping options as open as possible makes you look a bit scummy here. Though granted, I don't look much better right now. xD
(for the record: I have a question for bunnies and another one for Sulfurus. Also still haven't seen much from plotspot and scott. Also suspicious of BM. Wouldn't lynch bunnies atm, the others could be candidates for that.)
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Just double checked on the bunnies thing. You are right. The vote also comes before you even mention the word town.
On May 22 2015 07:07 27ninjabunnies wrote: EBWOP:
Scum #Vote: Sicklucker
Also:
On May 23 2015 05:55 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 22:52 disformation wrote:Ah cool, you are here bunnies. On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, so let's look at this post.
First off, I actually like you. I disagree with the pushon you. Noted. Could be an attempt to please me, so I stop pushing you. On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote: Secondly, the vote on SL was due to him first coming into the thread with "Confirmed town". Troll post=troll vote. Yup. That is why I called it NAI. On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote: However, I haven't moved my vote on SL because SL hasn't done anything to prove to me he is town. I'll go over this a bit later. Looking forward to see that. On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote: When saying Breshke and SL were partners, in part I was joking. I was trying to get some type of reaction from SL, which if I remember correctly I don't think I ever got. It was Breshke that actually started questioning this, which I really REALLY like of Breshke. As SL said, I shot him as vig in a previous game, he was mafia. I usually have a good read on Breshke, and this questioning makes me think that Breshke is town.
So even if I didn't get information out of SL from this (SL prob still my top lynch, followed by newbie Boxer for that awful first couple of posts), I did get information on Breshke's alignment. I really like this answer. Haven't looked much at boxer yet, could you highlight some things that sprung out for you? I skimmed it and I didn't see anything that would strongly lead me in either direction. Though he could be mafia trying to play the newb card? what? now people are sheeping a read that was made up?
Which read to you mean exactly? How was that read made up? Why am I sheeping it?
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Also still waiting on:
On May 23 2015 01:13 disformation wrote:@bunnies: Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote: However, I haven't moved my vote on SL because SL hasn't done anything to prove to me he is town. I'll go over this a bit later. Just a friendly reminder.
But bunnies is not around...
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On May 23 2015 06:01 sicklucker wrote: vote count? anyone voting disinfo? I might
disinfo can you list your read. I have no idea what your reads are and you posted alot not a good sign
I think there are two votes on me. Barakos and Breshkia. Okay... list post time. *ugh* I will keep this short, if you want to know more details and why, please ask.
top town: rels, ticktock town lean: breshkia, batsnacks please start doing stuff soon: plotspot, scott scum lean: sulfurus (until he answers my question at least), BM (super defensive and aggressive when Sulfurus voted on him)
rethinking: bunnies: scum lean (hence the case) -> slight town lean of the answers -> rethinking right now (was probably to easily swayed) barakos: he is a bit tunnely towards me, but that is okay, need to look at his other reads/interactions sicklucker: you are trying a lot harder than last game, not sure if that is a good or bad sign for you, so I have you kinda nullish. Your current interactions with me make me lean town towards you. boxerfred: not sure if new scum or new town
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Ugh. Reread boxerfred. Should move to scum lean. I see nothing that furthers town agenda in his filter. Only reacts when poked. Posting pattern is pretty lurky. Evades most of the questions anyway. No clue who he would vote for...
No idea what batsnacks sees in him. Which also makes me wonder a bit about batsnacks, who I otherwise have as a town lean. I wish I could see but I feel so blind...
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On May 23 2015 07:19 Sulfurus wrote:Breshke is definitely more town than I thought, he defended plotspot (I don't care how he did it just that he did at all) and I've realized that his tunnel on SL is pro-town since he got he put pressure on someone who is a hard read. Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 10:25 Bill Murray wrote: Disinformation the game so far has been people reacting to a post batsnacks has , premade,
I completely misunderstood what this post meant I thought it was BM saying the Dis hadn't done anything this game. That combined with what SL said about him being mislynch bait means that I'll rescind my vote off of him. ##Unvote
Okay, thanks for answering that question. Though why does SL saying that BM is lynch bait hold that much importance for you? Where did you get the miss from?
On May 22 2015 13:27 sicklucker wrote: bill murray is lynch bait.
definition - a guy who always looks scummy and gets lynched
not saying dont lynch him but keep that in mind
Calling a BM a misslynch sounds a bit like TooMuchInformation to me.
What do you think about bunnies and boxerfred? Why do you think so? Who would you vote for now? Why?
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Okay people gather round. Since as per my pregame excuse I will have very little time tomorrow. Let me stress a few things I want you to do:
Main Dish A: Sulfurus Enter the thread basically with after a out-of-nowhere vote onto Breshke.
On May 22 2015 11:34 Sulfurus wrote: @NinjaBunnies the most important point in this game so far is when Breshke 1st stared pushing on Sicklucker since the conflict between the two has defined the entire game.
Speaking of that, Breshke is my top scum since he continuously pushes against Sicklucker with very bad reasoning (#159 he complains that he has disappeared and hasn't thought critically only 3 hours into the game)
I also scum read Murray due to his weak and untrue accusation against Dis in post #191 which made me think Sick is town since he tried Bandwagoning on him but he has since rescinded his vote.
The answer to ninjabunnies question is very good, but that could have been planned in mafia qt. The read on Murray was faulty. I asked him about that and the answer was:
On May 23 2015 07:19 Sulfurus wrote:Breshke is definitely more town than I thought, he defended plotspot (I don't care how he did it just that he did at all) and I've realized that his tunnel on SL is pro-town since he got he put pressure on someone who is a hard read. Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 10:25 Bill Murray wrote: Disinformation the game so far has been people reacting to a post batsnacks has , premade,
I completely misunderstood what this post meant I thought it was BM saying the Dis hadn't done anything this game. That combined with what SL said about him being mislynch bait means that I'll rescind my vote off of him. ##Unvote
Which raises two questions: 1) Why is SL's statement that SL is lynch bait this important to him? 2) Where does he get the misslynch from? TMI?
Also no information of who he would vote now or how his reads changed over the day. In hindsight his behaviour so far also looks like "okay lets do 1-2 town posts and then gtfo out of the fray."
##vote: Sulfurus
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On May 23 2015 08:04 27ninjabunnies wrote: @dis- what was your question for me, I can't seem to find it.
On May 23 2015 01:13 disformation wrote:@bunnies: Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote: However, I haven't moved my vote on SL because SL hasn't done anything to prove to me he is town. I'll go over this a bit later. Just a friendly reminder.
You wanted to explain in detail why you still have SL as #1 scum read.
incidentally...
On May 22 2015 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote: Sulfurus top town newbie read. Not lynching for entire game.
Or maybe atleast 2 days
Still thinking this way?
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Fun Fact: bunnies is main dish b and I wanted to ask you guys to make sure that she explains the stance on SL.
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Sidedishes are scott and plotspot for not doing anything. The batsnacks && boxerfred thing still puzzles me, too.
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@Sulfurus and bunnies: I'll be around for about an hour before going to bed. Feel free to try and to interact with me.
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OMGUS much? And how do you ping me out, when I am the most active person in the thread? I don't really understand. The Ugh thing was more of the lines of "uh right, reread the thing and didn't like it". TBH boxerfred is still a wonky read for me. *shrugs*
incidentally... did I hit a nerve with the connection between Sulfurus and you?
Sidenote: I can see a lot of people voting for me. Not sure why though. xD Feel like I had to do a lot of stuff, since acitivity was a bit disappointing to me and I won't be around much tomorrow.
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EBWOP: Also the Ugh thing is a super weak tone read to me. Should not really be the basis to lynch someone on that based on that. Though I remember you waffling a bit on me earlier.
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On May 23 2015 08:37 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 08:32 disformation wrote:OMGUS much? And how do you ping me out, when I am the most active person in the thread? I don't really understand. The Ugh thing was more of the lines of "uh right, reread the thing and didn't like it". TBH boxerfred is still a wonky read for me. *shrugs* incidentally... did I hit a nerve with the connection between Sulfurus and you? Sidenote: I can see a lot of people voting for me. Not sure why though. xD Feel like I had to do a lot of stuff, since acitivity was a bit disappointing to me and I won't be around much tomorrow. I'll say this to anyone who is reading the game. Cause i actually just told something this not to long ago. Most active =/= town Actually, it is easy for scum to be highly active in a game and push lynches in the direction which they wish to go. Though there are some mafia who tend to like to lurk and not be in the spotlight, you could very well be the former. OMGUS? Did you call me mafia? I can't remember? What connection between sulfurus and me? I called sulfurus town. Not much to it. I still need to read Sulfurus' recent posts to get a feel for if still town or not. But from early posts, yes. sulfurus seemed pretty town.
Hmm. Okay. It seems I don't understand your post. Let us try this again:
On May 23 2015 08:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 06:28 disformation wrote:Ugh. Reread boxerfred. Should move to scum lean. I see nothing that furthers town agenda in his filter. Only reacts when poked. Posting pattern is pretty lurky. Evades most of the questions anyway. No clue who he would vote for... No idea what batsnacks sees in him. Which also makes me wonder a bit about batsnacks, who I otherwise have as a town lean. I wish I could see but I feel so blind... Why the distance from BF now, it seems? Like, when I ping you out for a connection you seem now to be so upset. The Ugh. Reread.... Basically when he is being pinged out for being scum. This is all just scummy from you Main dish huh? I've been told I'm pretty delectable As for the SL read, give me a few hours. Just got off of work, and been working for 8 of those hours between then, I forgot what I was even going to say on SL. Rereading a bit What do you mean with pinging me out for a connection? I've read this as: "you were kinda waffling about/hiding and I asked you for a opinion on x". And again: I seemed upset because I didn't liked what I have found...
Can you maybe rephrase your question or accusation?
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On May 23 2015 08:37 27ninjabunnies wrote: OMGUS? Did you call me mafia? I can't remember?
What connection between sulfurus and me? I called sulfurus town. Not much to it. I still need to read Sulfurus' recent posts to get a feel for if still town or not. But from early posts, yes. sulfurus seemed pretty town.
I was implying a possible mafia connection between him and you via:
On May 22 2015 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote: Sulfurus top town newbie read. Not lynching for entire game.
Or maybe atleast 2 days Which is imo way stronger than you giving him a town read. Especially for that one post (which had a mistake in it).
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I am also trying to find out town and/or mafia motivations for your vote on me...
town: test of my reaction to see if my push was town of mafia motivated.
mafia: I have already 2 votes on me, sicklucker mentioned he would be willing to vote me too a) trying to protect your scum mate sulfurus. which would be pretty bad play, since me flipping town will paint both of you in pretty bad light b) sulfurus is not your mate. so you are trying to set up a easy misslynch on me... but then the push is pretty weak (imo)...
*scratches head* unless I am missing something I think that your vote is town play... again can you rephrase your question/accusation?
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On May 23 2015 08:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 08:42 disformation wrote:On May 23 2015 08:37 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2015 08:32 disformation wrote:OMGUS much? And how do you ping me out, when I am the most active person in the thread? I don't really understand. The Ugh thing was more of the lines of "uh right, reread the thing and didn't like it". TBH boxerfred is still a wonky read for me. *shrugs* incidentally... did I hit a nerve with the connection between Sulfurus and you? Sidenote: I can see a lot of people voting for me. Not sure why though. xD Feel like I had to do a lot of stuff, since acitivity was a bit disappointing to me and I won't be around much tomorrow. I'll say this to anyone who is reading the game. Cause i actually just told something this not to long ago. Most active =/= town Actually, it is easy for scum to be highly active in a game and push lynches in the direction which they wish to go. Though there are some mafia who tend to like to lurk and not be in the spotlight, you could very well be the former. OMGUS? Did you call me mafia? I can't remember? What connection between sulfurus and me? I called sulfurus town. Not much to it. I still need to read Sulfurus' recent posts to get a feel for if still town or not. But from early posts, yes. sulfurus seemed pretty town. Hmm. Okay. It seems I don't understand your post. Let us try this again: On May 23 2015 08:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2015 06:28 disformation wrote:Ugh. Reread boxerfred. Should move to scum lean. I see nothing that furthers town agenda in his filter. Only reacts when poked. Posting pattern is pretty lurky. Evades most of the questions anyway. No clue who he would vote for... No idea what batsnacks sees in him. Which also makes me wonder a bit about batsnacks, who I otherwise have as a town lean. I wish I could see but I feel so blind... Why the distance from BF now, it seems? Like, when I ping you out for a connection you seem now to be so upset. The Ugh. Reread.... Basically when he is being pinged out for being scum. This is all just scummy from you Main dish huh? I've been told I'm pretty delectable As for the SL read, give me a few hours. Just got off of work, and been working for 8 of those hours between then, I forgot what I was even going to say on SL. Rereading a bit What do you mean with pinging me out for a connection? I've read this as: "you were kinda waffling about/hiding and I asked you for a opinion on x". And again: I seemed upset because I didn't liked what I have found... Can you maybe rephrase your question or accusation? The connection between you and BF. So BF vote don BM right, but you come out with your case on me, and he unnvotes with just saying that he likes you post, but will reread late, right? With BF being a newbie, this just seems like, hey my mafia partner made a case, maybe I should follow it- type of thing to me. That is the connection I see.
Ah! Okay, that makes sense. And yes it looks scummy, too.
Okay: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=21#419 Here SL asks me to do a listpost. I look at my stuff and decide that I am unsure how to read BF. So I decide to reread his filter and am annoyed because it looks much worse than I remembered. Which lead to the Ugh post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=22#423
And I had a few interactions with BF calling him out to give me something to work with:
On May 23 2015 04:58 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 04:43 boxerfred wrote:On May 23 2015 03:49 disformation wrote:Also. Since you like my case but see a lot of town in bunnies, where do you place bunnies now? Who would you lynch as of now and why? I place bunnies at someone who's really trying to gather information, can't really tell if that's for scum or for town. Tending towards town somehow though. I want to see a bit more fire! Scum generally doesn't want the town to collect new information... unless said information turns out to be confusing or distracting for town. Do you get that feeling from bunnies? Also nothing on the second part of the question... still no idea who to vote for I guess? Keeping options as open as possible makes you look a bit scummy here. Though granted, I don't look much better right now. xD (for the record: I have a question for bunnies and another one for Sulfurus. Also still haven't seen much from plotspot and scott. Also suspicious of BM. Wouldn't lynch bunnies atm, the others could be candidates for that.)
Since he didn't answer most of my questions I am currently very weary off BF. Should have probably included him as the third maindish in hindsight.
Does that answer help you?
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EBWOP: So yes I noticed his strange behaviour regarding my case on you and he was waffling all over that, but has avoided my inquiries about a decisive conclusion.
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On May 23 2015 08:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 08:44 disformation wrote:On May 23 2015 08:37 27ninjabunnies wrote: OMGUS? Did you call me mafia? I can't remember?
What connection between sulfurus and me? I called sulfurus town. Not much to it. I still need to read Sulfurus' recent posts to get a feel for if still town or not. But from early posts, yes. sulfurus seemed pretty town. I was implying a possible mafia connection between him and you via: On May 22 2015 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote: Sulfurus top town newbie read. Not lynching for entire game.
Or maybe atleast 2 days Which is imo way stronger than you giving him a town read. Especially for that one post (which had a mistake in it). I see me giving a read on sulfurus, but has sulfurus actually given a read on me? *Reads sulfurus filter* Nope So not sure how you can see a connection, except a one sided connection. Top newbie read- he was a newbie, commented on a question I asked, and his answer seemed genuine at the time
Hmm... you are right. I should demote you from main dish status and give that to BF. Think I got to excited about the possible TMI Slip by Sulfurus and the possibility of getting two mafia out of it, if there was a connection to you.
Oh, well this bodes well for tomorrow. At least you people will have something to talk about. xD
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On May 23 2015 09:18 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 09:09 disformation wrote:On May 23 2015 08:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2015 08:44 disformation wrote:On May 23 2015 08:37 27ninjabunnies wrote: OMGUS? Did you call me mafia? I can't remember?
What connection between sulfurus and me? I called sulfurus town. Not much to it. I still need to read Sulfurus' recent posts to get a feel for if still town or not. But from early posts, yes. sulfurus seemed pretty town. I was implying a possible mafia connection between him and you via: On May 22 2015 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote: Sulfurus top town newbie read. Not lynching for entire game.
Or maybe atleast 2 days Which is imo way stronger than you giving him a town read. Especially for that one post (which had a mistake in it). I see me giving a read on sulfurus, but has sulfurus actually given a read on me? *Reads sulfurus filter* Nope So not sure how you can see a connection, except a one sided connection. Top newbie read- he was a newbie, commented on a question I asked, and his answer seemed genuine at the time Hmm... you are right. I should demote you from main dish status and give that to BF. Think I got to excited about the possible TMI Slip by Sulfurus and the possibility of getting two mafia out of it, if there was a connection to you. Oh, well this bodes well for tomorrow. At least you people will have something to talk about. xD What TMI slip?
On May 23 2015 07:31 disformation wrote:Though why does SL saying that BM is lynch bait hold that much importance for you? Where did you get the miss from? Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 13:27 sicklucker wrote: bill murray is lynch bait.
definition - a guy who always looks scummy and gets lynched
not saying dont lynch him but keep that in mind Calling a BM a misslynch sounds a bit like Too Much Information to me. What do you think about bunnies and boxerfred? Why do you think so? Who would you vote for now? Why?
Possible TMI slip. Basically calls BM a misslynch out of the blue. I want to know his reaction/what he has to say about that. You did read my case, right?
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On May 23 2015 09:37 sicklucker wrote: its not a"tmi" slip. I just think bm gets lynched as town quite often. I never said he was town i just said you have to have lower standards with him and use judgement
Yes. You call him "lynch bait". And then Sulfurus suddenly goes with "misslynch bait". There is a slight difference there.
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EBWOP: At least I want an explanation for that.
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And I was hoping to have a bit of interaction with Sulfurus... Well. I have to get up in ~5h30mins. So I'll go to bed now. Will maybe poke in a bit via phone, but no guarantees and don't expect anything from me (tommorrow :p).
Don't do stupid stuff people. + Show Spoiler +That clearly is my job. :p
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Semi around. Got a bit more time than expected (around 4hours). Catching up on stuff. Already saw a bit I want to respond to. If you have other questions for me, feel free to ask.
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plotspot's tables remind me of how I approached d1 in my first game (nsm IX). I wanted to make a list of all interactions and notable posts and stuff. dropped that after half of D1 because I felt it was too much work and I couldn't keep up with how fast the thread was moving.
I can see why he thinks my early interactions make me look scum. But:
On May 23 2015 11:20 plotspot wrote: 3. disformation (DI): My scumread so far. He's fairly active in the first 3 hours, posting really in between the conversation of others with fine, careful, uncommiting. While others seem fairly focused on their conversation, he's kinda lurking and picking cherries. You have to go back, read and see what I mean. I'd vote for him. Might look this way in the first 3 hours, when not much was going on. I don't think I look careful at all for the rest of the game. :D Not thrilled about making a vote based on the first three hours of the game. But I have no desire to lynch plotspot at all.
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On May 23 2015 16:52 boxerfred wrote: I noticed that Rels and disinformation who are actively putting pressure als well as removing pressure from people never put pressure on each other. That might point to a connection between them which can be good or bad. Oh nice. Thanks for catching that. I might be sleeping a bit on him, because he seems obv town to me. Will keep that in mind for the next days. I simply think we have more suspicious people around for today.
On May 23 2015 17:14 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 04:58 disformation wrote:On May 23 2015 04:43 boxerfred wrote:On May 23 2015 03:49 disformation wrote:Also. Since you like my case but see a lot of town in bunnies, where do you place bunnies now? Who would you lynch as of now and why? I place bunnies at someone who's really trying to gather information, can't really tell if that's for scum or for town. Tending towards town somehow though. I want to see a bit more fire! Scum generally doesn't want the town to collect new information... unless said information turns out to be confusing or distracting for town. Do you get that feeling from bunnies? Also nothing on the second part of the question... still no idea who to vote for I guess? Keeping options as open as possible makes you look a bit scummy here. Though granted, I don't look much better right now. xD (for the record: I have a question for bunnies and another one for Sulfurus. Also still haven't seen much from plotspot and scott. Also suspicious of BM. Wouldn't lynch bunnies atm, the others could be candidates for that.) Following your words, you're trying to subtly persuade me that bunnies is not scum: "I place bunnies at someone who's really trying to gather information" vs. "Scum generally doesn't want the town to collect new information". Which would be strange since you made a case about him that made me put myself into the fire by initially unvoting BM and following your case.So either you're just testing the waters, thus confusing many people (pointing out you lean towards scum/sk) or you're dead serious and have a flaw in that post regarding my person. So, no, I don't get that feeling from bunnies. I was pressing you because I wasn't sure if your conclusion on bunnies was scum or town. I placed bunnies slightly on the towny side in that post since that was the feeling I got from your post, which I wanted to clarify. Which you did with your last sentence. Thank you.
On May 23 2015 17:19 boxerfred wrote: Whoa, almost edited the above post: wanted to add that while I think disinformation is definitely "overcaring" for others, that doesn't necessarily mean that he's scum. I'm still tending to lynch one of the inactive guys.
Not sure what you mean with overcaring for others? Can you explain? What would make that scummy?
Starting to warm up a bit on boxerfred. But will reread a bit of stuff, before coming to a conclusion.
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On May 23 2015 18:44 Barakos wrote: morning everyone!
just woke up and reread. Gotta say, I still dislike disformation. I'll give him credit for his case and interactoins on/with bunnies, which made some sense but got answered pretty well by bunnies, that's some actual townwork he did there. But after this his filter more or less reads like "hey x/y/z - who do you think is mafia?"... it goes on for about a page in his filter... in every post there is the question "who will you vote for / does that make him mafia / who is your second vote, if not x?" Which is again just seeming active without real contribution. Like mafia looking for options to construct a misslynch. Okay, I can see where this is coming from. I was super spamy yesterday after all. But here is the thing: How do solve this game? You try to guess who is mafia. How can you improve your guesses? By making them educated guesses via the collection of information. How do you collect information? You ask people. Not every question is great, not every answer leads to a great conclusion or a great educated guess. What happens when nobody asks questions? Mafia wins. Do you want mafia to win? (This is a rhetorical question) The thread was slow yesterday but I wanted to get as much information as possible because I don't have much time today. And I got quite a bit of interesting interactions of of it, so I am glad I did so. Maybe went a bit overboard with the spam though.
On May 23 2015 18:44 Barakos wrote: Following this up, he builds a new case against sulfurus based on a (in my opinion) constructed tmi-slip, which i just can't see. Also note: The post he used to construct this slip is about a day old. And just now, when there is need for a new case, because he has retracted from his case on bunnies, he sees this slip and uses it to construct a case vs one of the most inactive players in the thread. This just seems off. No. Sulfurus post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=22#424 Me first picking up the possible slip: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=22#425 Look at the post ID. It is the very next post in the thread. 12 minutes later. I make the case 38 minutes later after Sulfurus fails to post an answer. Still super confused why nobody is pressuring Sulfurus. His respond to my question (glad I asked, huh) was the only thing from him after a 18hour period of silence. Super weary that he hasn't done anything else since that answer...
On May 23 2015 18:44 Barakos wrote: As an example of what you could expect: Compare TicTocks reaction to disformations reaction. TicTocks mindset / interpretation of your iching is all about solving the game, while disformations is about what it means to be town. Out of this, you can see, what this two had in minde while reading your text... Tictock was all about solving the game (which is town, since mafia doesn't need to solve anything, they now it all.). Disformation was all about how to be town, which is mafias main-concern all game long. This is also why I got an early townread on tictock... mostly based on this one reaction to your post. I think you should head the advise I posted in my reaction to the iching thing:
On May 22 2015 08:07 disformation wrote: And the other part says that he should look at all the people and be open to reconsider his reads, otherwise he might tunnel super hard. Because you seem to be pretty set on seeing me lynched.
The thing on batsnacks for not using his iching more is also a bit far fetched / reaching to me. But I am willing to look more into SL vs batsnacks interactions.
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Okay. As per pre game excuse I will leave in about a hour and be back 1-2 hours after EoD. While I still think we need more pressure on Sulfurus, because he hasn't done anything after his intial posts. Only came back to admit to a mistake I found in one of his early posts and left right after. Hasn't responded at all to the further inquiries and the case I put on him. All in all this makes me highly suspicious.
But I have to leave soon and I can't see this wagon getting anywhere, especially with me gone, since I seem to be the only one willing to put pressure on him.
My other main suspects were a) boxerfred, to whom I have warmed up on...(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=28#543). Was going to say the same about b) bunnies, but I dislike that she didn't explain why she is still voting me and didn't touch my recent posts at all... at least her motivations seemed to be towny when I interacted with her. c) BM should also have more pressure on him for falling of incredibly hard... d) That basically leaves me with scott who hasn't done jack all game...
But since I won't be around and I don't want to waste my vote I will have to vote on a wagon that looks like it will hit something. So I have to choose between disformation and scott. I know the alignment of one of those.
I really! hope this won't be a repeat of last game though... NSM IX: we basically on had one super wagon on scott D1. He disappears. Comes into the thread like 1hour before deadline, posts a super towny post along with a OMGUS on me. Gets lynched anyway, flips town. Sad times.
Super sry for not being around for EoD, had hoped this would start one day later.
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EBWOP: nearly forgot... ##unvote ##vote scott31337
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Okay, I have returned! And waaaaat?! On one hand I am happy that one of my suspects got lynched and thrilled to see that he was scum indeed. But then I see that he didn't post anything and even didn't show up to hand out a vote, so I am a bit bummed out. Like WTH, scott. =/
Well. 1/3 mafia down. And I was getting super worried about town's chances, after seeing the super low activity today evening. So I'll gladly take that.
Bit tired atm so, I am not sure if I will read the EoD stuff from earlier before going to bed. Just skimmed it so far. Maybe a breather would be nice, since I feel I am focusing too much on certain persons.
@cakepie Really loving the fluff. <3
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On May 24 2015 08:11 Rels wrote:Do we have confirmation it is 3 mafia ? I mean, that's what I assume too, but is it written anywhere ?
Hmmm. I am just assuming that since 3 mafia is the norm for 13 player games here. At least that was the case in all the games I have played in / read. Quickly read over the op, but wasn't able to find any information there. It just says "This game uses a semi-open setup for 13 players; that is, all the possible roles are given but the number of each is not known. Not all of the roles will necessarily be present."
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Decided to take a breather and will go to bed very soon. Looking forward to be doing stuff again tomorrow, after whenever I get out of bed.
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Good morning everyone. First post coming up.
Bill Murray: Still a bit vexed that he didn't show up to change his throw-away vote, but I am really digging what he has done N1 so far.
I said I wanted to refocus and stuff. But I still feel compelled to comment on Sulfurus and 27ninjabunnies, again. xD
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2015 08:13 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 08:04 27ninjabunnies wrote: @dis- what was your question for me, I can't seem to find it.
Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 01:13 disformation wrote:@bunnies: On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote: However, I haven't moved my vote on SL because SL hasn't done anything to prove to me he is town. I'll go over this a bit later. Just a friendly reminder. You wanted to explain in detail why you still have SL as #1 scum read. Ignored my question to explain her previous SL read all game. A bit changed since then. I am her #1 scum now. But sicklucker is missing from her vigi/cop list:
On May 24 2015 11:02 27ninjabunnies wrote: Good cop checks/vig shots
Dis BF Sulf(rather cop check) And Breshke (Cop check)
What do we think of BM as a vig shot? So I want to know her current thoughts on sicklucker and what made her reconsider, if she doesn't think he is scum anymore. Also @27ninjabunnies: If you really want me to be lynched I am expecting a solid case, but you don't have explained your reasons for lynching me very well, imo.
Next up: Sulfurus After that I plan to look into all the sicklucker stuff that is happening. After that I will see if I can see anything in vote timings. Though I guess that won't be easy.
So stay tuned. And feel free to ask me stuff, I'll be around lots today.
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Sulfurus:
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On May 24 2015 06:04 Sulfurus wrote:For me the the person with the most useful reads and my top town is Barakos; he was the one who helped me townread Breshke and scumread Disformation with this post, he has shown a healthy suspicion of NinjaBunnies, and he influenced me to un-vote BM, along with SL, with his coinflip argument (for the record I still think SL is town).] In the bolded post Barakos talks about sicklucker not me.
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On May 24 2015 15:04 Sulfurus wrote: @Breshke I'll reread one more time and then I'll answer. I'd like him to follow up on this.
3) He also totally ignored my case/push on him. Maybe because I was the only one seeing something in this?
Don't get me wrong, he has a bunch of stuff I like. But I'd def. like to see a more of this guy, before I can give him a solid town read.
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EBWOP: Or a solid scum read, if I don't like what I see. :p
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Damn. sicklucker's filter is hard to read/follow. xD
On May 23 2015 06:18 sicklucker wrote: Hum barakos might be scum of the none lurkers / look like shit players. ill reread him when im back later. Didn't follow up on that, never mentions barakos again.
Super confused as to who/why are his top scum reads. #1 is rels of a feeling? #2 is still me? of... of what exactly?
And here I was thinking I could read this guy come D2. *rolleyes*
Since nobody seem to be here at the moment, I'll take a break, lurk for a bit and look at the votes.
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On May 24 2015 20:38 plotspot wrote: hi guys, I've reached p23. p24 was where I first published my statistics. EoD was is p30, so I think I will take this too before I post a summary, as well as my reads on the remaining players for D1.
Great, looking forward to that.
Looking at the votes on scott:
rels: pressures all the people with low/zero posts. did put a pressure vote on scott for basically only having 1-2 meh posts. scott tries to get rels off him, by saying he likes rels a lot. rels didn't seem impressed. scott never returns, so rels just keeps his vote on him.
breskhe: also voting for doing jack. but also backs it up with a meta read.
On May 23 2015 12:21 Breshke wrote: ##Vote scott31337
I agree scott needs to lift his game. So does Bill murray to a degree both these people feel like coinflips at the moment. Like especially scott from just from looking at the three other games he has played seemed to have achieved the longest filter in his 1 town game even though he was only alive for one day compared to his scum games where he survived to D3 yet had a smaller filter. Oh and he also calls out scott earlier:
On May 22 2015 17:09 Breshke wrote:I also kind of don't like this Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 12:00 scott31337 wrote:On May 22 2015 11:49 plotspot wrote: oh lawl game has started, but I have to go to sleep now, see you tomorrow *celebrate good times come on* What kind of post is this? You weren't even able to post any original thoughts before you left? When scott leaves right after it after having only one other post. Feels scummy Liking breshke a lot looking at this.
sicklucker: votes batsnacks, quickly drops that vote. Either a joke vote, or realizing that this wagon won't go anywhere? Looks at the two available wagons, realizes that scott looks worse than me, throws his vote on him. Says N1 that he would have tried to get me lynched instead of scott, if he had been around EoD1. Not sure what to make of him atm. =/
batsnacks: had an earlier vote on scott, after looking at bunnies, sulf and scott. decided to vote scott out of that bunch. Then switches to sicklucker with that one super irritating post.
On May 23 2015 12:03 batsnacks wrote:##vote sickluckerignore this it's nothing + Show Spoiler +but I'm probably not switching TBH I was thinking batsnacks and sicklucker were just trolling each other there. But sicklucker is still going on about that? Well, batsnacks drops this vote on sicklucker super fast and votes scott with:
On May 23 2015 20:14 batsnacks wrote: In all seriousness I can't vote SL or anyone for that matter over scott if he's not going to post before deadline. Even what he has is scummy. Since this aligns with his previous vote/read and the sicklucker vote was just a troll, I think this looks legit.
boxerfred: annouces that he will vote for an inactive person with:
On May 23 2015 17:03 boxerfred wrote: I think I'll vote for whoever is really inactive. That's like the safest way to not lose someone who's really valuable. goes ahead and votes scott:
On May 23 2015 21:41 boxerfred wrote: Okay. So ##vote scott31337 it is. I'll try to chime in before EOD to check if he posted something, however, I won't have the time to post for the next 6-8 hours. gonna be close. Expresses some doubts here:
On May 24 2015 06:47 boxerfred wrote: wow back just in time. so we still coinflip on scott - i don't like this since it's really ruining the game. Is that where modkills apply? So... he goes from "I'll vote for whoever is really inactiv", which can imply "regardless of alignment" to "oh wow I really don't like to coinflip on the most inactive person ever." Not really liking this. boxerfred, I would love to explain your train of thought on this.
If someone arrives at other conclusions from the votes, I would be down to talk about that. Will do some chores now so:
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On May 25 2015 03:05 boxerfred wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2015 23:06 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 20:38 plotspot wrote: hi guys, I've reached p23. p24 was where I first published my statistics. EoD was is p30, so I think I will take this too before I post a summary, as well as my reads on the remaining players for D1. Great, looking forward to that. Looking at the votes on scott: rels: pressures all the people with low/zero posts. did put a pressure vote on scott for basically only having 1-2 meh posts. scott tries to get rels off him, by saying he likes rels a lot. rels didn't seem impressed. scott never returns, so rels just keeps his vote on him. breskhe: also voting for doing jack. but also backs it up with a meta read. Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 12:21 Breshke wrote: ##Vote scott31337
I agree scott needs to lift his game. So does Bill murray to a degree both these people feel like coinflips at the moment. Like especially scott from just from looking at the three other games he has played seemed to have achieved the longest filter in his 1 town game even though he was only alive for one day compared to his scum games where he survived to D3 yet had a smaller filter. Oh and he also calls out scott earlier: Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 17:09 Breshke wrote:I also kind of don't like this On May 22 2015 12:00 scott31337 wrote:On May 22 2015 11:49 plotspot wrote: oh lawl game has started, but I have to go to sleep now, see you tomorrow *celebrate good times come on* What kind of post is this? You weren't even able to post any original thoughts before you left? When scott leaves right after it after having only one other post. Feels scummy Liking breshke a lot looking at this. sicklucker: votes batsnacks, quickly drops that vote. Either a joke vote, or realizing that this wagon won't go anywhere? Looks at the two available wagons, realizes that scott looks worse than me, throws his vote on him. Says N1 that he would have tried to get me lynched instead of scott, if he had been around EoD1. Not sure what to make of him atm. =/ batsnacks: had an earlier vote on scott, after looking at bunnies, sulf and scott. decided to vote scott out of that bunch. Then switches to sicklucker with that one super irritating post. TBH I was thinking batsnacks and sicklucker were just trolling each other there. But sicklucker is still going on about that? Well, batsnacks drops this vote on sicklucker super fast and votes scott with: Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 20:14 batsnacks wrote: In all seriousness I can't vote SL or anyone for that matter over scott if he's not going to post before deadline. Even what he has is scummy. Since this aligns with his previous vote/read and the sicklucker vote was just a troll, I think this looks legit. boxerfred: annouces that he will vote for an inactive person with: Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 17:03 boxerfred wrote: I think I'll vote for whoever is really inactive. That's like the safest way to not lose someone who's really valuable. goes ahead and votes scott: Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 21:41 boxerfred wrote: Okay. So ##vote scott31337 it is. I'll try to chime in before EOD to check if he posted something, however, I won't have the time to post for the next 6-8 hours. gonna be close. Expresses some doubts here: Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 06:47 boxerfred wrote: wow back just in time. so we still coinflip on scott - i don't like this since it's really ruining the game. Is that where modkills apply? So... he goes from "I'll vote for whoever is really inactiv", which can imply "regardless of alignment" to "oh wow I really don't like to coinflip on the most inactive person ever." Not really liking this. boxerfred, I would love to explain your train of thought on this. If someone arrives at other conclusions from the votes, I would be down to talk about that. Will do some chores now so: That's quickly done: between me voting on inactive and me saying expressing I'm not too sure about a coinflip lay some posts elaborating on why coinflipping is doubtable.
Hm. Yeah, there were a few people talking about how lynching inactives is a coinflip and not really good. Since you only mention that once in your whole filter and then still go ahead and vote scott I am not sure, if I am willing to let that slide this easy.
On May 25 2015 03:05 boxerfred wrote: Why did you jump the train in the end? Good but very expected question. I explained it in this post: + Show Spoiler +On May 24 2015 01:03 disformation wrote:Okay. As per pre game excuse I will leave in about a hour and be back 1-2 hours after EoD. While I still think we need more pressure on Sulfurus, because he hasn't done anything after his intial posts. Only came back to admit to a mistake I found in one of his early posts and left right after. Hasn't responded at all to the further inquiries and the case I put on him. All in all this makes me highly suspicious. But I have to leave soon and I can't see this wagon getting anywhere, especially with me gone, since I seem to be the only one willing to put pressure on him. My other main suspects were a) boxerfred, to whom I have warmed up on...(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=28#543). Was going to say the same about b) bunnies, but I dislike that she didn't explain why she is still voting me and didn't touch my recent posts at all... at least her motivations seemed to be towny when I interacted with her. c) BM should also have more pressure on him for falling of incredibly hard... d) That basically leaves me with scott who hasn't done jack all game... But since I won't be around and I don't want to waste my vote I will have to vote on a wagon that looks like it will hit something. So I have to choose between disformation and scott. I know the alignment of one of those. I really! hope this won't be a repeat of last game though... NSM IX: we basically on had one super wagon on scott D1. He disappears. Comes into the thread like 1hour before deadline, posts a super towny post along with a OMGUS on me. Gets lynched anyway, flips town. Sad times. Super sry for not being around for EoD, had hoped this would start one day later. To summarize: 1) As per pre game excuse I was going to be away the 5 hours leading to EoD. 2) Since nobody else was in the thread at a time (look at the timestamps), there was no way to get a decent wagon starting. And throwing away votes (looking at ticktoc here) is not going to help. 3) scott was on my suspect list anyway (and has been basically all game). 4) As the only other wagon at the time was me, another vote on scott made it harder to lynch me, since my absence could have been used to get more people on the disformation wagon, without me being able to defend against that. Note that this is pretty much NAI, as neither mafia nor town players like to get lynched.
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I am finding myself agreeing with tictock a lot. Disagreeing a bit on the scum lean in plotspot. Is more of a null with a town lean. I really hope he will blow us out of the water with an awesome analysis of the finished D1 tables. :D Having a bit of a hard time as to where I would place sicklucker, but put in relation to other people he starts to look scummier than most, but I will look at him again. Tbh I would love a cop check on him and would probably okay with a vig shot, trying to figure out that guy is getting tiresome. xD Also still want to see more from Sulfurus still. So my list right now would be:
27ninjabunnies sicklucker boxerfred
plotspot/Sulfurus: plz do contribute D2
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On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: You start tryharding on me. I couldn't say too much on your argumentation before (when Rels started to call out my "I'm a newb" posts) because I saw myself in a bad light and thus tried to do better, which worked - you started to warm up on me. If you still lean me towards scum, I have to assume that you're actively trying to get me lynched, making you SK or scum.
Yep, started to like you. Then I noticed that (at least in my mind) there was a gap in your filter around your scott vote. Which made me suspicious of you. So not still, but again. You are my #3 lynch target as of now, so of course I am trying to get you lynched. If you think someone is mafia you are trying to lynch him. Don't see problem here.
On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: [...]You're not a newbie and thus far, you managed to not get yourself into the line of fire very well. This is my second mafia game on teamliquid.net , Haven't played forum mafia anywhere else. Played it a few times IRL though. I got a lot of flack for my smilies in the first game here, too. Can't see myself stopping that. My meta shall be known as "that-idiot-with-all-the-smilies", or something.
On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: [...]1) Not being 5hrs basically means "well I have to vote someone so I better pick". The easiest, cheapest and lowest risk (same move I took..) was voting Scott. I even voted him roughly 4-5 hours before you. Your last minute vote (and since you stated you'd not be there at EOD plus five hours before makes it that) on Scott could very well imply that you're a scum member and, knowing that Scott was scum too, you tried to withhold your vote for as long as possible. Your vote had been on Sulfurus before - which at that point was like the safest pick to choose if you do not want to get pinned down on your opinion on someone. A lot of people had Sulfurus as a very high town read. Not a very safe vote in my opinion. Asks for attention. Still a bit unhappy that my formatting was suboptimal and got a lot people confused. Also if we see that as a last minute vote, I had two choices. Me or scott. See below.
On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: 2) Was there? How about users not being logged in? Since I have literally 0 experience with the TL form of mafia, I can't tell if that actually indicates something. At least for me, when I'm on mobile, I do not auto-login. I rather lurk the thread and read, trying to set up arguments for my later reply. I never type from mobile though. I have no clue if/how many people were lurking. So I look at who posted during that time: I enter the thread at 14:35 my time: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=27#540 You vote scott at 14:41 my time. I make two posts at 15:13 and 15:17. plot gives a status update at 15:40 and is gone after that. another post by me at 15:43. bunnies comes in at 17:36 votes me and says she won't be there. at 18:03 I vote scott. next one to enter the thread is ticktoc at 20:06.
There was 0 interaction in the thread. It put out some posts and nobody reacted to it. Sure there might have been people lurking, but all available information I had to work with, point out that I was the only one active in thread.
On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: 3) Oh wow. Why was scott on your suspect list? Because of his inactivity if I recall correctly. Not because of any real clue, any words from him or even a read that someone else really had. Saying "I vote Scott for inactivity and jump the train because he's on my suspect list because he's inactive" is a recursional argument that does not really make sense. I agree that this is my weakest argument thus far, but I think that putting someone of whom you KNOW that he's scum (presuming you're scum ofc) on your suspect list from the very beginning is, speaking of long-term, an intelligent thing to do (especially if you can check your mafia qt and by that know that scott is not just inactive, but obviously not even lurking). Would make you look great if you put a fellow scum member on your "suspect" list in later rounds. Scott didn't give me much to work with, yes. As you might have noticed I don't really like people not answering questions and not being active, because that doesn't give me information. Not giving me information makes me think you want to hide stuff. Thus I was suspicous of him nearly all game. Yes, I wish I had a better reason, but that's it. Not really interested in talking about what may or may not have happened with scott and the Mafia QT. He may have indicated that he won't play, but then he left without even voting, which could have ended in a modkill... maybe he vanished. All super WIFOM and leading nowhere.
On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: 4) Wow. You couldn't know that Scott was scum (...), so you jumped his train because you thought your own train would go on? Why? Rels is pretty much behind you, and so was I tbh. sicklucker has expressed multiple times that he would vote me. People could have switched wagons. A lot of stuff can happen in the last hour before EoD. EoD1 of NSM IX was super crazy for example.
On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: [...]And then: after all, lynching inactive was a coinflip. So you (as a townie) take a coinflip because "well hopefully I'll survive"? I am 100% town, scott is a lot less % town. I would make this play every day, every game.
On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: [...]Also, I assume you were knowing of your absence in before, so you could have very well tried to a) derail your own train or b) try to start another train. I tried getting a Sulfurus train started Friday. Had I known that the acivity levels Saturday would be so abyssal I might have tried something else. How do I derail a train, when the people on that train are not talking to me? bunnies literally came in the thread saying "oh let me ignore your last posts, I am going to vote you anyway. going camping now, cucu". plotspot was like "hey guys still updating my stuff, i'll ignore everything else." How do you derail this, if you have any idea let me know, I'll write it down for next time.
On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote: [...]not commiting to anything. Seems like a survivor role to me which screams for SK (or maybe vigi to find a potential target). At this point, I'm rather convinced that you are either sk, scum or a townie who has a horrible read on me. Yeah, not commiting and waffling a lot about people is one of my weak points. Had that problem previous game, too. Incidentally your conclusion is that I could be every role in the game.
Also: You are getting super defensive the first time someone does a real push on you. You shouldn't need to at this point. You have 0 votes on your head. I think nearly everyone would agree to lynch either me, bunnies or sicklucker first. This makes me want to lean even more scum on you. inb4 we start to OMGUS at each other a lot.
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EBWOP: Also: If anyone feels like I missed, skipped or failed to address a point or issue, please point that out, so I can fix that.
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On May 25 2015 06:08 boxerfred wrote: "I am 100% town, scott is a lot less % town. I would make this play every day, every game."
That's blatant. Especially when there's 3 people not thinking like that and voting you on day 1. Even assuming that the 3 votes did not contain 2 scum votes.
No. I am 100% sure that I am town. I have a PM that says so. I have no clue what the PM the other guy got says, so I am a lot less sure about him. So I will make this play, every day, every game. As either alignment, which means that this doesn't give you any indication at all if I am mafia or town.
On May 25 2015 06:11 boxerfred wrote: "I have no clue if/how many people were lurking. So I look at who posted during that time:"
Yeah and that's where you're wrong. You can guess and those counts might support your guess but you cannot be sure. So your point loses a lot of credibility in my eyes. Not getting what you are trying to say. Of course I can't be 100% sure that no one is around. I don't have super vision to magically see who is lurking. Look at the thread at the time, it feels fucking deserted. No point in throwing out a case at that time.
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On May 25 2015 06:35 boxerfred wrote: I too am 100% sure that I am town. I too have a PM that says so.
Saying "I am 100% sure that I am town" to state a reason for a play is the least believable thing one could ever say. And you clearly know this, thus you're accounting that people take that seriously and actually believe you. I like Rels' call on you being SK potentially. I really don't want to get on the train that votes you since I think it's like the worst thing to do if someone pushes you. But at this point, I feel like I don't have a choice.
If you have the choice to: a) lynch yourself b) lynch somebody else What are you going to do each single time? Regardless of alignment.
On May 25 2015 06:35 boxerfred wrote: "Not getting what you are trying to say."
I'm trying to say that you cannot know something for sure and the measure you take to prove your point is insufficient, proving your argument as not valid. Okay, what should I have done in your opinion? Throwing out a case and see if it sticks? Even if I am not around? Who is that going to help?
We are going to OMGUS at each other all of Day2. I'm calling it.
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On May 25 2015 05:56 27ninjabunnies wrote: I did ask, and never received an answer.
Isnt there a possibility as EOD got closer, mafia voted in their partner to look townie as they new he would be killed?
Curious
Where did you ask this? Only similar question I found in your filter is:
On May 24 2015 06:57 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 06:55 Tictock wrote:Well.. there's only one thing to do at a time like this... Do you think mafia are on scott?
And yes of course there is a possibility for that. I am currently trying to explain my thought to boxerfred. The other two "late" votes where sicklucker and batsnacks. batsnacks had him scummed earlier. I can see sicklucker voting for him to look more townie. Didn't he even argument how townie he is for lynching scott, at the beginning of N1? Will look into that.
But I also want a lot of answers from you.
Taking a short break. Talking to boxerfred is exhausting.
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On May 25 2015 07:00 boxerfred wrote: You [i]say that you only have such choices. There wasn't really someone else on the edge of voting on you so it was not "me or the afk guy". So I read your vote as a "okay safe call".
You could've done quite much, or even nothing. Don't ask me on that, I don't know your alignment or your role, so I think you're doing what's best for your role. [/s]
Yep, vote was the safe call. Tried to explain my reasons for that.
[QUOTE]On May 25 2015 07:00 boxerfred wrote: Testing everyone and blaming everyone and following different guys in their argumentation seems SK like to me. Or, tryhard townie. However, I'm moving away from the "you're scum" view. I don't think you're scum.
Well, fair enough. More interested in dealing with 27ninjabunnies and sicklucker.
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EBWOP: dat formating fail.
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Reread breschke's and Rels's cases on sicklucker and looked at sicklucker's responses. Which are crap and as I mentioned here:
On May 25 2015 06:51 disformation wrote: The other two "late" votes where sicklucker and batsnacks. batsnacks had him scummed earlier. I can see sicklucker voting for him to look more townie. Didn't he even argument how townie he is for lynching scott, at the beginning of N1? Will look into that. Yes he did.
On May 24 2015 18:02 sicklucker wrote: anyway I just lynched mafia what did you do
I also want to throw this:
On May 23 2015 06:01 sicklucker wrote: vote count? anyone voting disinfo? I might
disinfo can you list your read. I have no idea what your reads are and you posted alot not a good sign Riiiiight back at him.
##Vote: sicklucker
Still not liking 27ninjabunnies at all. Depending on how/if at all she answers my questions, I can see myself making another case.
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Hehe. I just did something funny. Was looking at 27ninjabunnies filter. Do you know her last post on SL?
On May 24 2015 00:36 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 13:25 sicklucker wrote:Lets look at bats read progresion on me On May 22 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote: @tictok what if you're mafia trying to pocket me with your overtly friendly wiles? I'm onto you mister you best be scared.
Let's all vote SL though. I feel like town SL has close to zero chance of being lynched because he'd never let that happen. Putting pressure on SL and breshke's reads can only lead to good things.
##vote: sicklucker 0 scum read on me 100% presure voteOn May 23 2015 02:56 batsnacks wrote: SL is null still. I never really had a reason to scum read him I sort of just voted him to vote someone.
I'm looking at sulfur and Scott until they post something that sticks in my memory. When I find time I need to read bunnies filter and sort out some of the stuff I saw when I was skimming. I'm off work in like 3 hours I can only really briefly respond/snark at stuff until then. Still no read on me admits his vote on me means nothingOn May 23 2015 12:20 batsnacks wrote: Let's lynch SL seriously. Town SL takes being scum read way more personally than he has this game. Scott is a fine vote too and so is BM at this point but I'm really feeling SL if he thinks he can ignore pressure and do nothing. Has not mentioned me since all of a sudden he drops this post which conveniently is similar to thread setimentYa ok bats ok. I think hes a mafia with a made up read here following a few donkeys who cant read my obv town play I actually like this post on BS that SL has made. @BS do you have a flow of thoughts besides this shit that lead you to SL being scum?
"Shit"? Pretty harsh words for a scum read on sicklucker. Who was before this post a scum read for 27ninjabunnies. One she didn't bother to explain, although I kept asking her about it.
Likewise sicklucker reads her scum in the beginning of the game and suddenly goes:
On May 24 2015 05:57 sicklucker wrote: ya shes probably town. I liked a few of her reads. I was a lil paranoid of her from some ogi reasons
And a lot of their early "disagreement" was build around that super early "troll vote" bunnies did on sicklucker. That could have been manufactured in mafia qt, right? Am I starting to see things? Or am I onto something? Opinions on that?
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On May 25 2015 08:04 sicklucker wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2015 23:06 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 20:38 plotspot wrote: hi guys, I've reached p23. p24 was where I first published my statistics. EoD was is p30, so I think I will take this too before I post a summary, as well as my reads on the remaining players for D1. Great, looking forward to that. Looking at the votes on scott: rels: pressures all the people with low/zero posts. did put a pressure vote on scott for basically only having 1-2 meh posts. scott tries to get rels off him, by saying he likes rels a lot. rels didn't seem impressed. scott never returns, so rels just keeps his vote on him. breskhe: also voting for doing jack. but also backs it up with a meta read. Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 12:21 Breshke wrote: ##Vote scott31337
I agree scott needs to lift his game. So does Bill murray to a degree both these people feel like coinflips at the moment. Like especially scott from just from looking at the three other games he has played seemed to have achieved the longest filter in his 1 town game even though he was only alive for one day compared to his scum games where he survived to D3 yet had a smaller filter. Oh and he also calls out scott earlier: Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 17:09 Breshke wrote:I also kind of don't like this On May 22 2015 12:00 scott31337 wrote:On May 22 2015 11:49 plotspot wrote: oh lawl game has started, but I have to go to sleep now, see you tomorrow *celebrate good times come on* What kind of post is this? You weren't even able to post any original thoughts before you left? When scott leaves right after it after having only one other post. Feels scummy Liking breshke a lot looking at this. sicklucker: votes batsnacks, quickly drops that vote. Either a joke vote, or realizing that this wagon won't go anywhere? Looks at the two available wagons, realizes that scott looks worse than me, throws his vote on him. Says N1 that he would have tried to get me lynched instead of scott, if he had been around EoD1. Not sure what to make of him atm. =/ batsnacks: had an earlier vote on scott, after looking at bunnies, sulf and scott. decided to vote scott out of that bunch. Then switches to sicklucker with that one super irritating post. TBH I was thinking batsnacks and sicklucker were just trolling each other there. But sicklucker is still going on about that? Well, batsnacks drops this vote on sicklucker super fast and votes scott with: Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 20:14 batsnacks wrote: In all seriousness I can't vote SL or anyone for that matter over scott if he's not going to post before deadline. Even what he has is scummy. Since this aligns with his previous vote/read and the sicklucker vote was just a troll, I think this looks legit. boxerfred: annouces that he will vote for an inactive person with: Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 17:03 boxerfred wrote: I think I'll vote for whoever is really inactive. That's like the safest way to not lose someone who's really valuable. goes ahead and votes scott: Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 21:41 boxerfred wrote: Okay. So ##vote scott31337 it is. I'll try to chime in before EOD to check if he posted something, however, I won't have the time to post for the next 6-8 hours. gonna be close. Expresses some doubts here: Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 06:47 boxerfred wrote: wow back just in time. so we still coinflip on scott - i don't like this since it's really ruining the game. Is that where modkills apply? So... he goes from "I'll vote for whoever is really inactiv", which can imply "regardless of alignment" to "oh wow I really don't like to coinflip on the most inactive person ever." Not really liking this. boxerfred, I would love to explain your train of thought on this. If someone arrives at other conclusions from the votes, I would be down to talk about that. Will do some chores now so: me unvoting bats is non alignment related. I relized he was not gonna get any votes and my vote was wasted. so i unvote their as town or mafia because its a wasted vote. I said I was considering voting you did I ever tho? no because before I voted you I read your filter and decided you were not a great vote and then I lynched scum.
Yes that part is pretty clear to me. Was wondering about:
On May 24 2015 19:15 sicklucker wrote: The standard play is not to lynch people who have not voted because their getting mod killed anyway. We got lucky I was bizzy at deadline and didnt get the lynch on disinfo because that would have been the smarter play not knowing scot was mafia Nobody knew that scott would't try to get a last minute vote off.
On May 25 2015 08:07 sicklucker wrote: If im mafia whos my partner here? everyones voted me at some point of the game now.
Me and bunnies would not be that obv.
I sapose I could be with bm? why dont you just vote him first Possible that I was trying to hard to find a connection between my two top scum reads.
Rels and Breshke have made pretty compelling cases on you. Your answers so far weren't really satisfying. Do you want to try again? + Show Spoiler +On May 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:Hello, this is a message for the potentiel vig in this game. I want you to consider a sicklucker shot tonight. Please read this post and think about it. First please read Breshke post here or in spoiler: + Show Spoiler +On May 24 2015 14:07 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 13:14 sicklucker wrote: one of bunnies or disinfo are scum
probably disinfo Has a shitty push on disinfo doesn't explain anything or put any effort into getting him lynched just faking suspicion to seem town. Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 20:16 sicklucker wrote: ##unvote ##vote scott
Ya whatever. On a quick reread disinfo filter is not really bad. No way we cant kill scott here. I think a policy lynch is fine I have no high percentage flips in my mind Backs of his shitty read again with no reasoning when wagon seems to be going against his partner. Starts bussing to get towncred. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 05:46 sicklucker wrote: Ok i just read rels filter. I think he flips scum a bit more then scott I wouldnt mind lynching him. Hard to explian call it a feelin Tries to push rels AGAIN with no reasoning. Does not put any effort into getting rels lynched instead of scott even though scott is just a policy lynch for him and rels he genuinely thinks is scum. SL is not trying to work out the game he mainly just posts to post. Probably started bussing his partner then tried to see if he could start a different wagon. When noone started biting he just drops it. We are lynching SL tomorrow. If that doesn't convince you I will take what I said about him here and add to it. First reasonIn a few of his posts he either says he's town or gives argument to why someone should read him town. Apparently SL is a good player, so that could be straight up subtile manipulation. It is the tactics from commercials; one can only see something so many times before one starts thinking it's true, not knowing where the thought came by. I'm talking about these posts: + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 07:22 sicklucker wrote: disinfo you gonna correctly read me town again? On May 22 2015 09:21 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote: It also says the all Qts were active in the like initial start of game post.
I'm not going to read you for a dumbbell SL I'm going to read you on giving nonsensical town reads and not thinking critically about the game well you should because thats how you read me town On May 22 2015 09:49 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 09:30 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 09:22 sicklucker wrote:On May 22 2015 09:05 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote: @tictok what if you're mafia trying to pocket me with your overtly friendly wiles? I'm onto you mister you best be scared.
Let's all vote SL though. I feel like town SL has close to zero chance of being lynched because he'd never let that happen. Putting pressure on SL and breshke's reads can only lead to good things.
##vote: sicklucker I really like this post and not even because it's telling people to vote SL the thought process is spot on. its really nothing special. And im already playing and trying so its pretty pointless Trying? Saying your town for dumbtelling when its completly within your ability to do it as scum and your only read being that im scum for not calling you town for said dumbtell. I don't call that trying. I get it is early but do you have opinions on anyone? What do you think of disinfo now that the QT thing has been corrected? town points for not realizing their was a scum qt up for 24 hours like any town should On May 22 2015 11:22 sicklucker wrote: oh I totally took that post out of context hes asking me a qeustion pretty poor writinng . Oh well easy to read me town off that On May 22 2015 11:37 sicklucker wrote: im so town it hurts On May 24 2015 07:14 sicklucker wrote: Confirmed not veg dont shoot me mafia. Out for the night in a few On May 24 2015 15:42 sicklucker wrote: infact I was the hammer of the mafia and batsnackss followed me. I the town hero come at me Second reasonShow nested quote +On May 22 2015 08:33 Tictock wrote: @Breshke
Humm you have a point. He did post an handful of stuff pretty fast and then bounce. Seems to be have just made a weak townread and then the weak towny post about not confusing us newbies.
Last game when he was town he never gave a shit about confusing us newbies. Now he's making this post defending newbies and town reading Dis, one of the newbies who was also in the last game with us. This does seem like he's scum motivated. Straigth up this. I read student IX game, and SL was town and didn't give a shit about newbies. Third reasonHe says that BM is a lynch bait, but says this: Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 13:27 sicklucker wrote: bill murray is lynch bait.
definition - a guy who always looks scummy and gets lynched
not saying dont lynch him but keep that in mind That could be read as "lynch him if you want, when he flips green i'm going to be right". Seems to me like he almost want BM to be lynched without him on the train. Forth reasonUntil late in the last day he didn't vote scott and tried to push other people with no arguments. Really no arguments, just "I'm suspicious of XXX". Even after he voted scott, he still tried to push subtily other people without voting for them. I will list the posts where he does that. I will not post what he said on batsnacks because he actually made a case on him for once. + Show Spoiler +On May 23 2015 11:50 sicklucker wrote: i think disinfo could be scum On May 23 2015 13:14 sicklucker wrote: one of bunnies or disinfo are scum
probably disinfo On May 23 2015 13:16 sicklucker wrote: bats disinfo or bunnies + one of bm or the new guys I havent bother to read at all outside of sulp
Can we just vote bats your townread on him makes no sense breske On May 24 2015 05:46 sicklucker wrote: Ok i just read rels filter. I think he flips scum a bit more then scott I wouldnt mind lynching him. Hard to explian call it a feelin Fifth reasonLying. On May 24 2015 15:36 sicklucker wrote: rels was my lynch bro No I wasn't. Batsnacks then scott was your lynch. Aaaaaand that's it. sicklucker don't add anything useful, except one post: the one on batsnacks which amazingly I liked. Plus, apparently he plays like that every game, so no one can read him for sure. He really put chaos in the thread with how he posted: for example his defense post just above mine is only a gif. What do you do with people hard to read, scummy, and that does things that cause chaos ? That's right. You vigi'd them. Even if he turns out to be town, that will be less confusion on the thread. So vig, if you even exist in this setup and have not made your mind about shooting, shoot SL. On May 24 2015 17:58 Rels wrote:Two others point on SL: Sixth reasonShow nested quote +On May 24 2015 15:43 sicklucker wrote: im vulnerable tictock have any questions for me? Then TT post some questions, and SL doesn't answer. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 15:45 Tictock wrote: Already asked dude, though I'd also like to know your thoughts on 27nb and BM.
Off to play games, bbl. Seventh reasonShow nested quote +On May 24 2015 15:34 sicklucker wrote:On May 24 2015 08:11 Rels wrote:On May 24 2015 08:03 disformation wrote: Well. 1/3 mafia down. Do we have confirmation it is 3 mafia ? I mean, that's what I assume too, but is it written anywhere ? yes its going to always be 3 mafia in 13 player format but if theirs a sk then 2? im not getting many mafia reads so thats possible. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 15:47 Breshke wrote:On May 24 2015 15:34 sicklucker wrote:On May 24 2015 08:11 Rels wrote:On May 24 2015 08:03 disformation wrote: Well. 1/3 mafia down. Do we have confirmation it is 3 mafia ? I mean, that's what I assume too, but is it written anywhere ? yes its going to always be 3 mafia in 13 player format but if theirs a sk then 2? im not getting many mafia reads so thats possible. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafiaYou were in this game SL and i kno you remember it because its one of the ones you love to mention so much because its the first one i got vig shot in. It had 3 mafia and an SK in a 13 player setup.
Getting super tired. Not sure how long I'll be available.
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On May 25 2015 08:25 sicklucker wrote: ok wow thats a big post. So i cant be scum with bm now. Whos my partner?
Not liking these "who is my partner" posts. This just means you have planned ahead and had your partner bus you for a bit at some point... which would be good mafia play. *shrug* We can easily look for associations after you flip red.
But damn, this is such a mess. Super tired. Head starts to spin. I will look at this mess after sleeping. Sidenote: Haven't seen much of a lot of people this N1. Hope they will be more active D2.
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On May 25 2015 09:32 sicklucker wrote: 6) disformation- He was the counter wagon to a mafia so hes safe for today. I really dont read him well I would have to reread his last game. Not voting today So at least this is mutual. For me it feels like you get on your PC and throw a coin to decide if you want to look scummy or towny that day. xD
On May 25 2015 14:14 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 19:57 disformation wrote:Sulfurus: 1) On May 24 2015 06:04 Sulfurus wrote:For me the the person with the most useful reads and my top town is Barakos; he was the one who helped me townread Breshke and scumread Disformation with this post, he has shown a healthy suspicion of NinjaBunnies, and he influenced me to un-vote BM, along with SL, with his coinflip argument (for the record I still think SL is town).] In the bolded post Barakos talks about sicklucker not me. Whoops I believe that should be a link to post 264 Okay. That was a while ago, do still think this applies?
On May 25 2015 14:14 Sulfurus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +2) Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 15:04 Sulfurus wrote: @Breshke I'll reread one more time and then I'll answer. I'd like him to follow up on this. 3) He also totally ignored my case/push on him. Maybe because I was the only one seeing something in this? Don't get me wrong, he has a bunch of stuff I like. But I'd def. like to see a more of this guy, before I can give him a solid town read. IIRC your 'case' against me is that I called Bill Murray 'mislynch bait' which came off as TMI to you. TBH I don't actually know if Bill is town or not but I thought that term sounded better then 'lynch bait' since bait is usually a kind of trap you don't want to get caught in (think fishing) but we want to lynch mafia not avoid it (hopefully that makes sense. Fair enough. Fun fact: In my first game here (NSM IX) I did a very similar thing and called player a) misslynch, because I suspected player b) of being mafia for pushing player a). A vet called me out for calling player a) a misslynch and I had to explain that. So I just wanted to throw that at you and look at your reaction.
Thanks for answering.
On May 25 2015 14:14 Sulfurus wrote:As for Sicklucker I feel he has been so busy defending himself that he hasn't been able to give any useful reads and Rels gave a very good accusation of him here so I don't think I will bother defending and I may even vote on him if it comes down to it. @Bill Murray I don't quite understand why you rescinded your vote off of SL. Can you please explain? I am not sure I understand this. Sicklucker is under too much pressure to do good town work? would't that that he is town and we should give him a chance? Why would you defend him? Why are you not voting him? Yesterday you were like "kill him 100%".
On May 24 2015 14:46 Sulfurus wrote: I predict that if cop receives a town check on SL people will accuse him of being GF/SK and lynch him anyway, so cop should not check him.
A vigi shot on him is fine since the only way town doesn't kill him is if he claims a role. Also... do you dislike the idea of him being cop checked, because you know he is town?
I also have no idea what your current reads are like... Me no likes.
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On May 25 2015 14:26 Tictock wrote:Just in case that's STILL not enough for you. His posts so far D2 are just filled with lies and misinformation. This post was directed at Dis ( proof) Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 08:04 sicklucker wrote: I said I was considering voting you did I ever tho? no because before I voted you I read your filter and decided you were not a great vote and then I lynched scum.
Oh really? Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 13:14 sicklucker wrote: one of bunnies or disinfo are scum
probably disinfo This was back when SL thought bolding peoples names was voting for them. Bre had to remind him this is not 2+2.
This part is not entirely true. His read progression on me is: 1) cheap town read. 2) scum after he asks for my reads 3) does his fail vote on me you quoted 4) unvotes / unscums me after skimming my filter and votes scott
So that looks legit. The problem I have is:
On May 24 2015 19:15 sicklucker wrote: The standard play is not to lynch people who have not voted because their getting mod killed anyway. We got lucky I was bizzy at deadline and didnt get the lynch on disinfo because that would have been the smarter play not knowing scot was mafia So he would have tried to lynch me (who he previously unscumed)? Though I could have still been null to him or something. Apparently he has some problems figuring me out, which might be the reason for that...
I am going to try and figure out all read progressions by sicklucker now... which might take a bit. His filter is really long.
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On May 25 2015 18:00 Tictock wrote: @Bre
She's fallen off my radar since EoD.
Why aren't you back on this scott wagon?
"sry I am to busy hardcore tunneling sicklucker". Not sure if that is good for town.
On May 25 2015 16:44 sicklucker wrote: ya well its hard to find scum when no one but the obv towns spam up the thread.
I probably have the biggest filter too
You. Have. No. Idea.
On May 25 2015 17:57 sicklucker wrote: I gave up on convincing him along time ago Scott taught me that giving up can be a sign for both mafia and town. Has anyone who played enough games with sicklucker to tell if that is more of a mafia or town sign for him?
I looked at all of sicklucker's read progressions. And I have to say that they look pretty consistent. He does not always have great reasons (like about rels), but it lines up. Only strange thing: Calls breshke town for attacking him early: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=11#207 Next mention of Breshke is a weird scum lean here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=43#847 If I missed something please feel free to correct me, his filter is quite long after all.
But there was a lot of stuff in between, so I can see why the opinion would change... still: sicklucker want to explain why you read Breshke as scum now?
Also liked the points sicklucker found on bunnies.
On May 25 2015 07:30 disformation wrote: Still not liking 27ninjabunnies at all. Depending on how/if at all she answers my questions, I can see myself making another case.
Maybe I'll be ordering 27 bunnies for lunch. But I also want to look at the plotspot vs ticktoc wallbattle going on.. so much to do today. xD
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On May 25 2015 21:49 Breshke wrote: Opinions on bunnies/my mini case/anyone else you find interesting?
TBH, I have no idea why she voted for me at the end of D1. I think I asked her about that once or twice, but she didn't bother to explain. She also never explained her read(s) on sicklucker although I asked her for that all game long. Her last post was:
On May 25 2015 05:56 27ninjabunnies wrote: I did ask, and never received an answer.
Isnt there a possibility as EOD got closer, mafia voted in their partner to look townie as they new he would be killed?
Curious Which can be another weak attempt to subtly push in my direction since I was the last one to vote for scott. Already discussed that with BF. I wrote an answer to her here:
On May 25 2015 06:51 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 05:56 27ninjabunnies wrote: I did ask, and never received an answer.
Isnt there a possibility as EOD got closer, mafia voted in their partner to look townie as they new he would be killed?
Curious Where did you ask this? Only similar question I found in your filter is: Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 06:57 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 24 2015 06:55 Tictock wrote:Well.. there's only one thing to do at a time like this... Do you think mafia are on scott? And yes of course there is a possibility for that. I am currently trying to explain my thought to boxerfred. The other two "late" votes where sicklucker and batsnacks. batsnacks had him scummed earlier. I can see sicklucker voting for him to look more townie. Didn't he even argument how townie he is for lynching scott, at the beginning of N1? Will look into that. But I also want a lot of answers from you. Taking a short break. Talking to boxerfred is exhausting. An again got no answer to that... no idea what her current reads are, as she didn't do anything N1 or D2 so far... The more I think about it...
##unvote ##vote: 27ninjabunnies
Will not drop this unless I get some really amazing answers.
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On May 26 2015 01:26 27ninjabunnies wrote: Man, I come back from my campin trip and see this voting nonsense on me.
Someone want to explain why while I reread? Hi. Points by breshke:
On May 25 2015 17:17 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 08:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2015 06:28 disformation wrote:Ugh. Reread boxerfred. Should move to scum lean. I see nothing that furthers town agenda in his filter. Only reacts when poked. Posting pattern is pretty lurky. Evades most of the questions anyway. No clue who he would vote for... No idea what batsnacks sees in him. Which also makes me wonder a bit about batsnacks, who I otherwise have as a town lean. I wish I could see but I feel so blind... Why the distance from BF now, it seems? Like, when I ping you out for a connection you seem now to be so upset. The Ugh. Reread.... Basically when he is being pinged out for being scum. This is all just scummy from you Main dish huh? I've been told I'm pretty delectable As for the SL read, give me a few hours. Just got off of work, and been working for 8 of those hours between then, I forgot what I was even going to say on SL. Rereading a bit Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 08:25 27ninjabunnies wrote: Oh, and I think the above post is a great basis for
##Vote:Disformation Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 08:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2015 08:42 disformation wrote:On May 23 2015 08:37 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2015 08:32 disformation wrote:OMGUS much? And how do you ping me out, when I am the most active person in the thread? I don't really understand. The Ugh thing was more of the lines of "uh right, reread the thing and didn't like it". TBH boxerfred is still a wonky read for me. *shrugs* incidentally... did I hit a nerve with the connection between Sulfurus and you? Sidenote: I can see a lot of people voting for me. Not sure why though. xD Feel like I had to do a lot of stuff, since acitivity was a bit disappointing to me and I won't be around much tomorrow. I'll say this to anyone who is reading the game. Cause i actually just told something this not to long ago. Most active =/= town Actually, it is easy for scum to be highly active in a game and push lynches in the direction which they wish to go. Though there are some mafia who tend to like to lurk and not be in the spotlight, you could very well be the former. OMGUS? Did you call me mafia? I can't remember? What connection between sulfurus and me? I called sulfurus town. Not much to it. I still need to read Sulfurus' recent posts to get a feel for if still town or not. But from early posts, yes. sulfurus seemed pretty town. Hmm. Okay. It seems I don't understand your post. Let us try this again: On May 23 2015 08:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2015 06:28 disformation wrote:Ugh. Reread boxerfred. Should move to scum lean. I see nothing that furthers town agenda in his filter. Only reacts when poked. Posting pattern is pretty lurky. Evades most of the questions anyway. No clue who he would vote for... No idea what batsnacks sees in him. Which also makes me wonder a bit about batsnacks, who I otherwise have as a town lean. I wish I could see but I feel so blind... Why the distance from BF now, it seems? Like, when I ping you out for a connection you seem now to be so upset. The Ugh. Reread.... Basically when he is being pinged out for being scum. This is all just scummy from you Main dish huh? I've been told I'm pretty delectable As for the SL read, give me a few hours. Just got off of work, and been working for 8 of those hours between then, I forgot what I was even going to say on SL. Rereading a bit What do you mean with pinging me out for a connection? I've read this as: "you were kinda waffling about/hiding and I asked you for a opinion on x". And again: I seemed upset because I didn't liked what I have found... Can you maybe rephrase your question or accusation? The connection between you and BF. So BF vote don BM right, but you come out with your case on me, and he unnvotes with just saying that he likes you post, but will reread late, right? With BF being a newbie, this just seems like, hey my mafia partner made a case, maybe I should follow it- type of thing to me. That is the connection I see. Bunnies scums disfo for a connection with BF and then also seemingly trying to distance himself from him. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 00:36 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 23 2015 11:24 batsnacks wrote: I really hate the activity based reads but meh plot is never the lynch on effort alone. I also hate this disformation wagon. Scotts is the better place for any vote... but... again whatev because disformation doesn't need me to defend him. I agree here. Most of plots reads were based on activity. Activity levels do not necessarily indicate scum or town. Content does. newbies remember that! On May 23 2015 13:25 sicklucker wrote:Lets look at bats read progresion on me On May 22 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote: @tictok what if you're mafia trying to pocket me with your overtly friendly wiles? I'm onto you mister you best be scared.
Let's all vote SL though. I feel like town SL has close to zero chance of being lynched because he'd never let that happen. Putting pressure on SL and breshke's reads can only lead to good things.
##vote: sicklucker 0 scum read on me 100% presure voteOn May 23 2015 02:56 batsnacks wrote: SL is null still. I never really had a reason to scum read him I sort of just voted him to vote someone.
I'm looking at sulfur and Scott until they post something that sticks in my memory. When I find time I need to read bunnies filter and sort out some of the stuff I saw when I was skimming. I'm off work in like 3 hours I can only really briefly respond/snark at stuff until then. Still no read on me admits his vote on me means nothingOn May 23 2015 12:20 batsnacks wrote: Let's lynch SL seriously. Town SL takes being scum read way more personally than he has this game. Scott is a fine vote too and so is BM at this point but I'm really feeling SL if he thinks he can ignore pressure and do nothing. Has not mentioned me since all of a sudden he drops this post which conveniently is similar to thread setimentYa ok bats ok. I think hes a mafia with a made up read here following a few donkeys who cant read my obv town play I actually like this post on BS that SL has made. @BS do you have a flow of thoughts besides this shit that lead you to SL being scum? Also, Why Sulf? I still think sulf is town. On May 23 2015 17:14 boxerfred wrote:On May 23 2015 04:58 disformation wrote:On May 23 2015 04:43 boxerfred wrote:On May 23 2015 03:49 disformation wrote:Also. Since you like my case but see a lot of town in bunnies, where do you place bunnies now? Who would you lynch as of now and why? I place bunnies at someone who's really trying to gather information, can't really tell if that's for scum or for town. Tending towards town somehow though. I want to see a bit more fire! Scum generally doesn't want the town to collect new information... unless said information turns out to be confusing or distracting for town. Do you get that feeling from bunnies? Also nothing on the second part of the question... still no idea who to vote for I guess? Keeping options as open as possible makes you look a bit scummy here. Though granted, I don't look much better right now. xD (for the record: I have a question for bunnies and another one for Sulfurus. Also still haven't seen much from plotspot and scott. Also suspicious of BM. Wouldn't lynch bunnies atm, the others could be candidates for that.) Following your words, you're trying to subtly persuade me that bunnies is not scum: "I place bunnies at someone who's really trying to gather information" vs. "Scum generally doesn't want the town to collect new information". Which would be strange since you made a case about him that made me put myself into the fire by initially unvoting BM and following your case.So either you're just testing the waters, thus confusing many people (pointing out you lean towards scum/sk) or you're dead serious and have a flaw in that post regarding my person. So, no, I don't get that feeling from bunnies. I'm also removing BF from the lynch today because of his recent strings of posts. He is actually offering up some new information, questioning dis- who I think is very scummy- and it might be a ploy to get pressure off of himself, but I like the questioning and what he points out. I think if anything, there is a mafia between Dis and BF but not both. So, I am going to keep my vote on Dis for now. I'm going camping, so I may/may not be around for EOD. I love the pressure on scott! An afk, not doing anything. Keep up the good work. That was seirous btw. I want to see more from scott, and although I think Sulf is town, more from Sulf as well. But, idk about putting votes on someone who isnt here to defend himself. He'll likely get modkilled or replaced by someone more active. I think we need to lynch someone scummy who has actually been playing, because I highly doubt all the mafia are in the nonvoters and afks. Then in this post reads BF as town now but still scums dis for other reasons which were not present before. Her townread of BF did not seem to affect her scumread of dis even though the read was firstly based on an association between the two. SL opinion please
Which is at least partly a update of:
On May 24 2015 11:27 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 11:02 27ninjabunnies wrote: Good cop checks/vig shots
Dis BF Sulf(rather cop check) And Breshke (Cop check)
What do we think of BM as a vig shot? BF? Wth you were reading him town EoD. Why are you suddenly suspecting him again? I'm having the hardest time following your thinking the past ~30 hours.
sicklucker also did a bit of stuff:
On May 25 2015 17:24 sicklucker wrote: wait bunnies was pushing scott but never voted him. strange? she voted disinfo but you quote where she calls disinfo town yet voted him over a confirmed mafia
On May 25 2015 17:26 sicklucker wrote: so bunnies afks her vote on the second wagon. While still saying scotts a great lynch. Sounds like a likely scott partner tbh
On May 25 2015 17:28 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 06:44 27ninjabunnies wrote: We have 15 mins to EOD right? And scott still hasnt shown up. Can anyone give a a semi vote count? shows up just at eod. Thats more likely as mafia then town from my experience
On May 25 2015 17:34 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 06:18 -Celestial- wrote:Ask and ye shall receive:~ Vote Count ~ plotspot (2) : Bill Murray, Tictockdisformation (2) : Barakos, Breshkescott31337 (2) : Rels, batsnacksBill Murray (1) : Tictock (X), Sulfurus, Rels (X), boxerfred (X)27ninjabunnies (0) : Bill Murray (X)boxerfred (0) : Rels (X)Breshke (0) : Sulfurus (X)sicklucker (0) : Breshke (X), batsnacks (X), Bill Murray (X) Not voting (6) : 27ninjabunnies, boxerfred, disformation, plotspot, scott31337, sicklucker Currently, plotspot is set to be lynched! The cycle will end at Saturday, May 23 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), about 24 hours from this post. remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in this thread. If you see any vote out of place, holler at us and we will look into it. this is interesting. This is the vote count right before bunnies voted. at the time she voted it was very close so her being in a mafia team makes so much sense I think im voting her today and never changing. Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 08:25 27ninjabunnies wrote: Oh, and I think the above post is a great basis for
##Vote:Disformation So we have bunnies being the third vote on disinfo to scotts two votes. At this point of the game it didnt look like scott was the lynch so if shes partners with him getting the vote on the other guy with votes is your only play. ##vote bunnies
On top of that I am still disliking you for avoiding my questions all game and never delivered the explanation for your sicklucker reads you said you would deliver. So I'd like you to explain/respond to all that stuff.
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EBWOP: And I have zero idea what your current reads are. So I'd like to see some of that, too.
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Going to watch the new mad max movie. Will be around later.
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Back.
On May 26 2015 05:32 sicklucker wrote: 3 posts since i went to bed 8 hours ago wth?
Yeah, really not happy with the activity levels this game...
On May 26 2015 05:32 sicklucker wrote: I dont give a shit about barakos right now I want to not get lynched in 30 mins. whats the vote count
I loled so hard at this.
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On May 26 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote: Skimming through disinfo's posts, I don't really see a point from which I would start a train on him. I might be wrong with my lean on him. However, I'd like to clearly know what he thinks about pretty much everyone - especially where he would locate scum members and SK. As I can see from celestial's post, he's currently all about jumping trains, matching the pattern of jumping the scott train before: first, he goes for sicklucker, being the 3rd vote at this point (I did not compare timestamps, so it might be the second vote, note that please!). Then, he changes his vote, being the 4th to jump bunnies.
Knew that would happen. Should have trusted my heart and just vote for bunnies straight away D2. Okay let me walk you through my thinking process: 1) bunnies and sicklucker were my main dishes coming into d2:
On May 25 2015 07:18 disformation wrote: More interested in dealing with 27ninjabunnies and sicklucker.
2) Reread the cases on sicklucker, decide to vote him of that. mention that I would also gladly vote for bunnies.
On May 25 2015 07:30 disformation wrote:Reread breschke's and Rels's cases on sicklucker and looked at sicklucker's responses. Which are crap and as I mentioned here: Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 06:51 disformation wrote: The other two "late" votes where sicklucker and batsnacks. batsnacks had him scummed earlier. I can see sicklucker voting for him to look more townie. Didn't he even argument how townie he is for lynching scott, at the beginning of N1? Will look into that. Yes he did. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 18:02 sicklucker wrote: anyway I just lynched mafia what did you do I also want to throw this: Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 06:01 sicklucker wrote: vote count? anyone voting disinfo? I might
disinfo can you list your read. I have no idea what your reads are and you posted alot not a good sign Riiiiight back at him. ##Vote: sickluckerStill not liking 27ninjabunnies at all. Depending on how/if at all she answers my questions, I can see myself making another case.
3) Interactions between BM and sicklucker happen. sicklucker looks towny in that series of interaction to me. 4) I looked at sicklucker's read progression. Looks way more consistent than expected.
As a result I move him down on my lunch list and decide to vote my new #1, who is bunnies.
btw sicklucker's read progression list (feel free to correct me if I missed something, his filter is huge): + Show Spoiler +disformation 1) cheap town #132 2) could be scum #478 3) scum #493 4) less scum #533 5) null #847
sulfurus 1) town for random breshke vote #205 2) scum because his post looks coached #207 later explains that he saw a pocket attempt from sulf #216 3) says he liked him, but null now #847
breshke 1) scum for poiting out mafia qt thing #164 2) town for attacking him #207 3) scum lean #847
plotspot 1) null #244 2) super hard town read #467 3) super hard town read #470 4) super hard town read #848 bunnies 1) scum #253 2) scum #493 3) town #561 4) a bunnies lynch wouldnt make me happy but I wouldnt cry about it - null? #787 5) town lean #847 6) acutally more null #858 7) scums bunnies hard now
barakos 1) might be scum will reread #421 2) "green check" #775 3) "green check" #847
batsnacks 1) scum #498 2) suggests scum #787 3) scum #847 4) scum #854
scott 1) wtf scott #530 2) vote #533
rels 1) scum #555 2) more scum because of a feeling #556
ticktoc 1) town #569 2) still town #847
boxerfred 1) suggests scum #787 2) null #847
bm 1) suggests scum #787 2) votes bm #803 3) clears bm as per the scott thing #838 4) town #847
TBH I need to reevaluate a few people, because they start to slip my mind. Eg can't remember much of barakos and batsnacks. I am ignoring SK until there is a clear indicator that there is one via night actions. Likewise I don't care much about possible masons until I see hard claims or flips. Although I can see possible pairings for that.
Bill Murray - town lean, but I need to be careful of him trying to pocket me Sulfurus - scum lean bunnies - scum ticktoc - town plotspot - town breshke - town lean boxerfred - you are starting to give me some real town indicators now -> town lean. Though I would like you to poke some other people as well. ;D sicklucker - kinda null since I can't read him for shit.
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On May 26 2015 09:00 Bill Murray wrote: pocket you?
On May 25 2015 09:19 Bill Murray wrote: 6) disformation - fairly strong town read 9/10 would fuck
That is quite a strong statement.
On May 26 2015 09:06 Breshke wrote: This might be really lazy because we have so many lynches left but im fairly sure if we lynch down this list in this order we will most likely win.
Bunnies Sulf Barakos SL BM
Hm. Where does that kinda strong scum lean on Barakos come from, skimmed your filter and didn't see much on him. Meanwhile I can only remember him doing a bit of a push on me D1 and giving him a town lean of the interaction we had about it... should probably look at him again, as I mentioned before. Not sure about BM. Otherwise I agree.
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Currently at work. So semi-available.
@Barakos: Will, look at that, but it wasn't intended. xD
@batsnacks: I'm agreeing to your last two posts. But I want to stress that I want 27ninjabunnies to be super compelling at this point. So... in case we don't lynch sicklucker or 27ninjabunnies, who would your top scum reads be? Briefly skimmed your filter, but I couldn't find that. I gather that you are not a fan of Sulfurus?
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On May 26 2015 20:51 plotspot wrote: By now they pretty much confirm themselves as town to eachother, iirc? That would support my read about both of them.
I think boxerfred had me as "null, with SK lean" on page 54. I am leaning town on him. TBH I got a bit annoyed in his exchange with me, because in my mind a bunch of his arguments were ultra weak. *shrugs* At the very least he is looking better than Sulfurus and 27ninjabunnies. Would have to think where he stands in relation to barakos though. Hm... should also look into Bill Murray, when I am back at home. Noting that here, so I won't forget.
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Well, not really digging that SK decision stuff... yeah, there are some weird scenarios that could have happened N1. And after that scott stuff D1 I can see this game continuing to be weird. But at this point all the SK discussions are ultra WIFOM. Can we concentrate on finding mafia, please?
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EBWOP: SK discussion stuff*
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Inb4 some accuses me for being SK for trying to get the discussion away from the possibility of there being a SK... *rolleyes*
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On May 26 2015 21:25 Barakos wrote: Since sl and bunnies aren't around: Why do you think rels was killed, disfo?
Well, Rels was super obv. town and as thus was pretty much universally read as town. He was also quite active in trying to solve the game. So if he would have done a solid push on a mafia, a lot of people would have found that credible. So: 1) Hard to gain information from the kill, since he was "obvious" town. 2) Potentially dangerous for mafia. = good target for mafia.
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On May 26 2015 22:30 Barakos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 22:14 disformation wrote:On May 26 2015 21:25 Barakos wrote: Since sl and bunnies aren't around: Why do you think rels was killed, disfo? Well, Rels was super obv. town and as thus was pretty much universally read as town. He was also quite active in trying to solve the game. So if he would have done a solid push on a mafia, a lot of people would have found that credible. So: 1) Hard to gain information from the kill, since he was "obvious" town. 2) Potentially dangerous for mafia. = good target for mafia. Yeah, i agree with you on this... so what do you make out of this post? (nitpicking sl a bit here...) that's also one of the posts I found out of place, when I reread, since killing rels made totally sense out of my point of view. Is this SL trying to diminish rels' legacy by saying the kill was bad. Also rels' main lynch-candidates were sl, bm and plotspot (plotspot didn't make his "would lynch" list after the first analysing-post but returned shortly before EoN1)... he stuck to them pretty much all game long. Given this and the fact that rels would have many followers, had he tried to lynch someone from this list, I think there is a good chance mafia tried to shut him up. So - wouldn't it be good, to keep the lynches in those 3 (sl, bm, plot)?
Well...
On May 24 2015 05:46 sicklucker wrote: Ok i just read rels filter. I think he flips scum a bit more then scott I wouldnt mind lynching him. Hard to explian call it a feelin That was shortly before EoD1. I don't think this play makes a lot of sense from a mafia perspective. Why mention this if there won't be enough time to get a wagon, especially with that kind of an explanation. Or is he trying to make us think exactly that? Getting a bit WIFOM here.
Looking at BM now... was a bit suspicious of him for:
On May 26 2015 09:24 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 09:19 Bill Murray wrote: 6) disformation - fairly strong town read 9/10 would fuck That is quite a strong statement.
And he looks hella lurky indeed. He basically just popped in D2, when I was starting to miss him... Let me think about that for a bit.
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On May 27 2015 00:19 batsnacks wrote: Scum or not I'm much more interested in bunnies vs BM right now.
I'm getting a feeling that today will be interesting. Good that this time I'll be here for EoD. I was skimming BM's filter and didn't he do a 180° turn on ticktoc? Will need to look at that again. But I am kinda getting sick of reading through filters now...
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Hm.... From:
On May 25 2015 09:19 Bill Murray wrote: 2) Tictock - scumlean 4) plotspot - townlean 5) boxerfred - null slight town 6) disformation - fairly strong town read 9/10 would fuck 7) Barakos - who? i dont remember anything from this guy 8) Sulfurus - VI, townlean Open slots (マフィアの経験がある程度の能力 / the ability of having experience in mafia) 9) 27ninjabunnies - null 10) Bill Murray - town 11) Breshke - townlean 12) sicklucker - scumlean 13) batsnacks - townlean
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On May 25 2015 09:48 Bill Murray wrote: thats actually nice town work if youve found an associative tell...
can you merely highlight it? it will take me awhile to find the exact quote wont it? youve posted a lot
On May 25 2015 09:48 Bill Murray wrote: thats actually nice town work if youve found an associative tell...
can you merely highlight it? it will take me awhile to find the exact quote wont it? youve posted a lot
On May 26 2015 01:14 Bill Murray wrote: omg tictock may have broken the game on page 46
hes so smart
i didnt want to say anything though, ive been kind of wanting to watch how this plays out So has a scum lean on him and changes that after reading an association case by ticktoc? Doesn't look too bad. Or am I missing something?
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EBWOP: But the "I didn't want to say anything" can be read as: "I am mafia and wanted to lurk to see if this wagon could work out".
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On May 27 2015 00:51 sicklucker wrote: i think thats talking about me and plots being partners? thats terrible from my pov
Oh, shit. You are right. I thought that had something to do with bunnies. So he really loves tictock for his association stuff between plotspot and you and then goes ahead and randomly votes bunnies without explanation? That looks super bad.
##unvote ##vote: Bill Murray
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So let us see, what bunnies and Bill Murray have to say about that... Also curious to see what Sulfurus does when he finally shows up...
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On May 27 2015 03:02 batsnacks wrote: My vote could change depending on whether activity picks up in the next 4 hours. 27nb giving more reads would help keep my vote where it's at.
Yup, I really hope that Bill Murray and 27ninjabunnies show up and give us more to work with.
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Great to see you are back bunnies. I like your points on Bill Murray and I agree that he looks really bad.
But I have a little problem: when I look at your filter I see you not following up on anything until now. I am also seeing you not trying to solve the game very hard. So you are looking really bad to me, too.
I also have no idea what your reads beside Bill Murray are... Thoughts about the un-readable sicklucker? You wanted to look at the votes, were you able to find something? Do you have secondary lynch target?
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On May 27 2015 04:12 batsnacks wrote: So... Since it might not be clear, my thing with bunnies, bill, and sulfur is that everyone else has either contributed or fought way harder. I switched off of bunnies because her bill post was okay and I want to see bill do something about it.
Agree. I want her to fight with tooth and claw for us to keep our votes that way. I hope Bill Murray will show up, so the two can have a solid deathmatch.
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On May 27 2015 04:17 27ninjabunnies wrote: So, im thinking i need to reevaluate on sulfurus. I was expecting more townie posts besides the original newbie read I tried to get, but honestly, nothing has happened.
Kinda sad, I wanted Sulf to be town.
BS I find really townie here. Atleast bs is trying to figgure out the game and reevaluating as posts come along.
My mafia would be between BM, SL (maybe), and plots/BF.
I think the final two amfia are between those four.
SL i need to read more into, but i dont get a townie vibe anymore.
Plots had that really good chart post, but i dont think anything after that has been extremely eye catching.
BF is just wishy washy, and seeming to try and get a lynch somewhere on anyone.
Sulf is currently my hot tip for being the third mafia. sicklucker and plotspot had a kinda weird series of interaction, were you able to look into that? Yeah, pre-flip associations are not that great... wait... didn't you say that you are a video mafia player and that there you guys are all for looking into associations? Then surely you will have something to say about plotspot and sicklucker interacting. :D
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Yup. Votecount on previous page: 5 bunnies 4 bill murray 2 sicklucker
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On May 27 2015 04:49 Tictock wrote: @ plots tbh man if I'm not reading you correctly, that's your own fault for not stating things more clearly Probably like 50-50 or something...
On May 27 2015 04:48 Tictock wrote: Can we please just lynch all 3 (27nb, BM and SL), this is giving me a headache, lol. YES! I am so sick of reading sicklucker's 10billion pages filter.
On May 27 2015 04:42 27ninjabunnies wrote: I wont be here around EOD btw: I only have 1 hour til work That is not good... can you give us like another really good post?
Otherwise it really may boil down to whether Bill Murrey shows up or not...
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On May 27 2015 04:57 Tictock wrote: Lol @Dis
I've done enough haven't I man?
A man needs some rest
I know the feeling. See you later.
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On May 27 2015 05:28 batsnacks wrote: I'd be down to shennanie onto sulfur if he wastes his vote again today.
Might be down, too.
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EBWOP: Because in a world, where neither 27nb nor Bill Murray are town, we have a huge problem. Because if we lynch one and he/she flips not red, we somewhat have to lynch the other. Might be two misslynches. I do not want to vote 27ninjabunnies right now and my gut feeling tells me Bill won't bother to show up...
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EBWOP: where both are town... xD
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Maybe I just need a drink for my nerves... brb
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On May 27 2015 06:01 Barakos wrote: I'm not very fond of lynching bunnies atm. somebody said "i would consider unvoting her if she started a case on sulfurus" and her going for bm looks kinda good. i get the feeling, mafia in the need of defense would have gone for exactly that and started a wagon on someone, who was proposed to them, cause the chance of this working are higher. Then again - BM was also a quite obvious target for a counterwagon, since he wasn't active for the last 20-something hours.
That being said, I also don't like the wagon on bm. Mainly, because he's been inactive the whole day and kind of announced he would... he said, he was moving in or something.
What I said D1 about lynching inactives still stands. I just don't like it... be it sulfurus or bm... In my opinion it's too coinflippy and my case on sl still stands... even if i seem to be the only one believing this is a good play today.
If you have a suggestion and a reason for who we should lynch instead, I am all ears.
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On May 27 2015 06:07 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 06:06 disformation wrote:On May 27 2015 06:01 Barakos wrote: I'm not very fond of lynching bunnies atm. somebody said "i would consider unvoting her if she started a case on sulfurus" and her going for bm looks kinda good. i get the feeling, mafia in the need of defense would have gone for exactly that and started a wagon on someone, who was proposed to them, cause the chance of this working are higher. Then again - BM was also a quite obvious target for a counterwagon, since he wasn't active for the last 20-something hours.
That being said, I also don't like the wagon on bm. Mainly, because he's been inactive the whole day and kind of announced he would... he said, he was moving in or something.
What I said D1 about lynching inactives still stands. I just don't like it... be it sulfurus or bm... In my opinion it's too coinflippy and my case on sl still stands... even if i seem to be the only one believing this is a good play today. If you have a suggestion and a reason for who we should lynch instead, I am all ears. He thinks we should lynch SL today.
Oh right, he is one of the guys with their vote still on sicklucker. I don't really like how sicklucker vanished as soon the danger was over for him.. but I really liked how he was trying to cooperate and today. On the other hand I can't read him very well... if I can read him at all...
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Wasn't BM clearing sicklucker from being mafia? That is in one of the last things BM posted:
On May 26 2015 01:13 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 15:22 Tictock wrote: SL you are either A) Scum B) Town that cares more about defending themselves at all costs (including lie and spread disinformation) than finding scum
B is not ideal, but I'd be ok with it. Thankfully that's not a worry since you are scum. im pretty sure he, like me, is B he cares more about living than finding scum it's a bad character trait that i have some games
But yeah he never explained/followed up on the bunnies vote...
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Oh damn. He was praising ticktoc for the SL / plotspot connection after that post, wasn't he? Ah FFS this game...
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great. apply face to desk and repeat.
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Will need to look at 27ninjabunnies case on Bill Murray again. But my feelings tell me that both wagons were on town.
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On May 27 2015 07:34 plotspot wrote: Okay, maybe it’s time we talk about this now. I have received a visit from the RB on N1. I have no idea who did this but, it must be someone who thought I might be scum and checked on it with his night action on N1. Who the hell might do that?
A roleblocker?
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Also this sounds like you are blue hunting...
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Could the remaining mafia team be sicklucker + plotspot after all? Will have to reread a lot of stuff, again. xD
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On May 27 2015 07:44 plotspot wrote: just for clarification is blue hunting a neutral word or a term people usually only used for mafia?
well, blue hunting is a bad thing for a town to do, so it indicates mafia (or 3rd party for that matter). Since, as town you don't want people to know who your blues are. Since if people know, mafia will know, too. And mafia loves to shoot blues.
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On May 27 2015 16:09 sicklucker wrote: disinfo acualy pushed bunnies unlike the other scrubs altho he got swayed at the end
Yeah. I get the feeling that I am swayed too easy. My waffling is really bad this game, too. Should try harder to eliminate these aspects from my play. -.- At least my pushing is a bit better than last game, imo. Semi-present... trying to reevaluate some stuff. If you have questions axe me some.
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On May 28 2015 07:04 batsnacks wrote: Alright. I'm the cop. Barakos and 27nb are town. We're lynching sulfur today.
##vote sulfurus
I can totally see bunnies being your N2 check... but why barakos?
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I am a bit weary because... masons... and town roleblocker... and cop? never!
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On May 28 2015 07:43 sicklucker wrote: mafia needs 3 lynches to win. Seems like an unwinnable fake claim so easy to believe it. If there was two I would be super paranoid
cop is also the best role to claim for mafia in this situation, imo.
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On May 28 2015 07:48 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 07:46 disformation wrote:On May 28 2015 07:43 sicklucker wrote: mafia needs 3 lynches to win. Seems like an unwinnable fake claim so easy to believe it. If there was two I would be super paranoid cop is also the best role to claim for mafia in this situation, imo. if they needed two lynches its a great fakecalim, You kill sulf today then kill me the next day and you win if its like bats/bunnies or bats/barkos But they need 3
Ah, right. Also batsnacks two cop checks totally make sense, when I looked at his filter. Hells he even asks you and bunnies what you think about barakos on D2. Still not digging all these claims flying around...
Also... wasn't a fan of Sulfurus basically all damn game long... have at ye: ##vote: Sulfurus
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This game is a lot harder than the last game I played in.
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On May 28 2015 07:57 Barakos wrote: Just saw it now... I was roleblocked. Didn't see the pm at first.
wat. is. this. game.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 28 2015 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
I second the notion and think we have a really ridic setup at hand. With that in mind, I don't think the town rb (if there is one) should claim?
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On May 28 2015 08:25 sicklucker wrote: Na definately claim. Makes it more believable now and its not like its a useful role. Were ahead we dont have to risk being behind.
The longer you dont claim the easier it is for mafia to cc you.
On May 28 2015 08:26 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 08:22 disformation wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 28 2015 08:20 sicklucker wrote: I second the notion and think we have a really ridic setup at hand. With that in mind, I don't think the town rb (if there is one) should claim? cop + mason(s) + town rb that can block kp is massively overpowered vs any possible mafia roles. There is almost certainly not a town rb.
Okay, yeah I am getting it now. I wasn't expecting the setup in this to be that different from my last game. Still I am super mindblown at the moment. xD
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Okay folks. Let me solve this stuff...
- barakos and plotspot claimed RB.
- batsnacks claimed cop.
- greenchecks: bunnies and barakos
leaving: Tictock, boxerfred, Sulfurus, sicklucker
we are missing the second mason and of course there is no guarantee, that one of the greenchecks isn't the GF. ticktoc looks to towny in my eyes (hopefully he will claim mason later).
PoE list is (not ordered):
- boxerfred
- Sulfurus
- sicklucker
I was doing a bit of VCA today evening and boxerfred and sicklucker ended up making that list, too... so here you are:
- sicklucker: could have attempted to save scott in this position, hammers him instead. Could have been engineered.
- boxerfred: looks super bad. this sparks my "fight" with him.
Evidence B: looking at these suspects and their votes/reasons for D2:
- boxerfred
List post: + Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 17:56 boxerfred wrote: Shady people: - sicklucker (strong scum read by now) - bunnies (scum read thus far, want to hear her answers to raised questions) - that guy whose name I already forgot because he types so seldomly (sulfuras) - disinformation (weak sk read by now, close to a null read)
Null reads: - bill murray gives me null after that: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/4852...afia-x?page=55#1085 Switches to 2nd scum target (bunnies) here: + Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 23:02 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 22:31 Barakos wrote:On May 26 2015 22:20 boxerfred wrote: This game took a turn for the worse by now, arguing whether a role is in or not should not be an issue IMHO. As batsnacks and I said - stop talking about sk please and focus on important stuff. Well if SL is SK and we all agree on "there is no SK" it wouldn't be the most intelligent move to kill someone next night, would it? So we can all just vote bunnies now. ##unvote ##vote 27ninjabunnies Switches to Bill Murray... because I called him lurky? Wasn't I the big bad SK just a few moments ago? + Show Spoiler +On May 27 2015 00:18 boxerfred wrote: I'll be around for 15 more minutes, then I'll be out for some hours. I think I'll be there in time for EoD. I want to see more pressure on Bill Murray, now that disinformation calls him lurky. I'm willing to give batsnacks a clean town lean by now, I'm unsure about SL by now and I don't see 27nb responding too well. Her points raised on BM are not too bad though.
##unvote
##vote Bill Murray
I'll be soon enough here to unvote BM if he responds in a good way. I'd like to see a bit more pressure und Sulfuras. If you guys decide to pressure me in the meantime, be sure that I'll check the thread before EoD, roughly one hour before. Seeya then. Votes bunnies. Doesn't like to vote Bill Murray for the same reason he didn't like to vote scott (but did anyway): + Show Spoiler +On May 27 2015 05:30 boxerfred wrote: Let me elaborate further: while I think that putting pressure on BM is a good idea, we shouldn't toss another coin into the inactivity well and hope for a miracle. We were lucky enough to flip scott as scum. Not very likely that it happens a second time.
##unvote ##vote 27ninjabunnies
- sicklucker
scum read on BM: + Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 08:32 sicklucker wrote: 10) Bill Murray Im his only push apparently. I think hes the vote today votes BM: + Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 08:35 sicklucker wrote: ##vote bill murray gets stuff from scott's filter and takes that as evidence to unvote on BM: + Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 09:19 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 11:44 scott31337 wrote:Dinner was good and now time to get to work... I'm unsure what to think of BM's early vote, maybe just to get some discussion started? He unvoted though. On May 22 2015 11:20 sicklucker wrote:On May 22 2015 10:24 Sulfurus wrote: @sicklucker is it not normal for the mafia QT to be open during pregame b/c if it is you shouldn't have made that dumbtell also ##Vote: Breshke actually I forgot their was coaches. It looks coached This was probably a pocket attempt. No one ever agrees with me unless they have a motive. Also I think breskes town because if his mafia game is to attack me of all people in a newbie game with really weak reasons I will berate him post game so hes probably town. Sulfurus Sulfurus I got a n0 red check no you what say you? SL loves to fakeclaim as town. +1 if anything scott spewed me as town not you. Scott talked about me more then you. If im mafia with scott why does he talk about me? Im willing to give you another day tho bill he did mention voting you. Good idea reminding me to read scotss filter. But im going to remind you to reread it because the way scott talks about me makes me town. On May 25 2015 09:19 sicklucker wrote: ##unvote updates reads: + Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 09:32 sicklucker wrote: 9) 27ninjabunnies - Was at first suspicious but leaned slightly town because I noticed we had same reads on people like sluf
10) Bill Murray - him getting soft pushed by a 3 post confirmed mafia is probably a great reason to keep him around
votes bats: + Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 09:40 sicklucker wrote: Bats your backtracking again. That was you who said only you would make a huge chart as mafia? You said no towns do that. Now your trying to put scum on him?
I think this was a slip ##vote batsnacks Clarifies that his read on bunnies is null: + Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 09:42 sicklucker wrote: Thats fair I think. Bunnies more null mentiones having to vote bunnies for survival: + Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 16:34 sicklucker wrote: she ninjaed that read on sulp is what got me. I mean I dont think my read on her matters im going to have to vote her for survival it looks like and i think shes a good vote and not in my poe list Digs up stuff on bunnies + votes on her: + Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 17:24 sicklucker wrote: wait bunnies was pushing scott but never voted him. strange? she voted disinfo but you quote where she calls disinfo town yet voted him over a confirmed mafia On May 25 2015 17:26 sicklucker wrote: so bunnies afks her vote on the second wagon. While still saying scotts a great lynch. Sounds like a likely scott partner tbh On May 25 2015 17:28 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 06:44 27ninjabunnies wrote: We have 15 mins to EOD right? And scott still hasnt shown up. Can anyone give a a semi vote count? shows up just at eod. Thats more likely as mafia then town from my experience On May 25 2015 17:34 sicklucker wrote:[...]this is interesting. This is the vote count right before bunnies voted. at the time she voted it was very close so her being in a mafia team makes so much sense I think im voting her today and never changing. Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 08:25 27ninjabunnies wrote: Oh, and I think the above post is a great basis for
##Vote:Disformation So we have bunnies being the third vote on disinfo to scotts two votes. At this point of the game it didnt look like scott was the lynch so if shes partners with him getting the vote on the other guy with votes is your only play. ##vote bunnies digs up stuff on barakos: + Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 09:37 sicklucker wrote:This is interesting. Barakos does not mention scott once day 1. Pretty strange for the lading mafia wagon. Then when day 2 starts he makes this post trying to discredit people who voted scott (classic mafia tactic) Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 18:41 Barakos wrote: The votes on scott mean just about nothing.
27nb asked if people thought there was mafia voting for scott shortly before eod... there sure was.
People said scott rolled mafia in several of his newbie-games and wasn't very happy about this, so I am pretty sure his scum-partners in the qt knew this, too. So there might very well have been plans about voting him, if it becomes apparent, he will not return to the thread. Him not returning and posting as less as possible might even have been the plan right from the start. Which is also why what bm said about scotts post making him look good is complete bs since this might as well have been a planned breadcrumbing, which a scum-bm could later on use by saying "look, he tried to make me look bad and he was mafia, so i must be town". Just look at the scum-qt of assassination-mafia. bm is perfectly capable of hatching such a plan and scott - already not excited about having rolled scum - would have happily followed, since he wouldn't let his team completely hanging.
I guess all i am saying is, that we can't really interpret anything into scotts posts, because him leaving the thread and giving up is most likely a thing, he discussed with his teammates, so there surely was a plan about how he should behave in the few posts he made, which is why everything he said could be interpreted one way or the other. you dont say? ty for that qt info votes barakos: + Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 09:42 sicklucker wrote: ##vote barakos
time to play the game G updated scum list: + Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 14:41 sicklucker wrote: barakos bunnies sulf. Two scum in there probably bit of interaction with bunnies: + Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 16:22 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 15:42 27ninjabunnies wrote: So is anyone actually trying to figure this game out, or nah? not you thats for sure got anything else? Votes 27nb again. mentions that bill murray could also be mafia... + Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 21:37 sicklucker wrote: Well im pretty convinced. One scum is definitely [b##unvote ]##vote 21ninjabunnies
When she flips ill figure out which one of sulp/barak/boxerfred made up fake reasons to scum read. Could also be bm On May 26 2015 21:38 sicklucker wrote: ##unvote ##vote 21ninjabunnies Goes to sleep, after the coast seems clear... + Show Spoiler +On May 27 2015 03:11 sicklucker wrote: i might go sleep for 20 hours
- Sulfurus:
Super short filter, not much of worth. Scum list, which at this point contains a LOT of confirmed town. Also throws away his vote on sicklucker: + Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 13:29 Sulfurus wrote: As of this moment my lynches are
Sicklucker Batsnacks 27NinjaBunnies Bill Murray BoxerFred
in that order
I admit it's kinda weird that 3 of those names voted for confirmed mafia but considering how Scott was playing the idea of a bus isn't too far-fetched.
##Vote: Sicklucker On May 26 2015 13:42 Sulfurus wrote: EBWOP: If we get an extra lynch through doc save and vigi shot I would add Disformation's name to the list (There might be a world where Scott's teammate had to vote on him so Dis wouldn't get lynched) Does NOT talk about BM or bunnies on D2. And notice how good these two look on his scum list.
Evidence C (or TLDR): Results of D2 information:
- boxerfred: him switching a lot seemed strange, but he kept his vote on his scum read rather than a null read. Is in line with him not wanting to lynch inactives... but why doesn't he want us to lynch inactives? scott was super inactive... and Sulfurus is super inactive, too...
- sicklucker: looks good until the very last few posts. As soon as the danger of him being lynched he buggers off. And suddenly BM, who he cleared from being scum via the scott filter dive earlier, might suddenly be scum again?
- Sulfurus: A lot of confirmed town on his scum list. Super lurky... few interactions...
Critical Questions:
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On May 28 2015 10:34 batsnacks wrote:- Sulfurus:
Wasted his vote two days in a row.
Oh yeah, did forget to mention that. My D1 VCA only touched the people on Scott. Since he wasted his vote D1 he wasn't on that list.
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Also: nearing 4 am here. Should go to bed. Looking forwards to the answers, if there will be any. As always: feel free to ask questions. If you want to know who I think looks worse... look where my vote is at.
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So I was checking this to see if mafia surrendered. Not quite happy with what I found...
Am at work and actually want/have stuff to do today. So I will make this brief. @ticktoc: look at his cop checks. Look at his filter. Do the checks line up with his filter? Can you see him using the information he got from the barakos N1 check on D2? There is also a bit of information that can be gained from reading the op again, that you probably missed. This makes it more unlikely that this is a mafia play. Hint: Has to do with him blurting out his check before EoN.
You should be able to see how he is 100% the cop with that... But I can see how bunnies makes it super hard to think she is town.
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Also town rb and gf stuff: Since batsnacks is 100% the cop and we 100% have masons, that makes it extremely unlikely we also have a town rb (that can block mafia kp!). Thus I agree that we have 2 mafia rb. Which makes it a bit more unlikely we have mafia rb/rb/gf.
By taking out the people with claims,checks, etc. the people left are: ticktoc boxerfred Sulfurus sicklucker disformation
That is like a 2/5 to lynch mafia. If one of those is the town mason and claims, we are down to basically a 50% chance of hitting mafia. In my case, if I take myself out (since I know I'm town) and you are the mason. I have only 3 targets left. Look at my huge wall a few pages ago. Even if there is a GF, one of those 3 is 100% mafia.
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Yo. plotspot.
On May 28 2015 12:56 27ninjabunnies wrote: EBWOP: Why ARE YOU no lynching?
I am getting a bit annoyed right now. This game is basically solvable using some logic, but we are having a bunch of (presumably) town trying to make it as hard as possible to the very last minute. I kinda want to go in a corner and cry for a bit.
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On May 28 2015 20:43 Tictock wrote: See this setup stuff is confusing me a decent bit as well.
We really only know for sure that there is Cop and Masons for Town, and that both plots and Bara have said they were RB'd
Everything else is pure speculation right? Granted there can be good logic from a balancing perspective, but is it reliable?
If there was a town rb he would have claimed by now. Why? cop greencheck 1 greencheck 2 mason 1 mason 2 town rb
There are 9 people still alive.
We are down to 3 people. With a super high chance that 2 of them are mafia. And mafia has to decide if they want to shoot the cop or the rb first. So town would have won at this point.
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On May 28 2015 21:03 plotspot wrote: Want me to explain how I am RB or do you guys actually want to think about it for a while? I'm doing everything here to ges you guys thinking but it doesn't seem to work.
Let us start with: Who did you block N1 and N2 and why?
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On May 28 2015 21:37 plotspot wrote: Bats is cop, why should he ninja-hint Barakos at the last minute of N2. It's not plausible or do you think Bats is capaple of doing that?
Since the op does nowhere state that the mafia team knows which roles the town team has, this would be an incredible! risky strategy for mafia.
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Shit. I'll have to think about this a lot when I get home later. ##unvote for now...
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On May 28 2015 22:00 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 21:37 plotspot wrote: Bats is cop, why should he ninja-hint Barakos at the last minute of N2. It's not plausible or do you think Bats is capaple of doing that? easily if bats is mafia he had already decided to claim. His first post after the nk was his claim
He also asks you and bunnies about barakos:
On May 26 2015 04:28 batsnacks wrote: 27nb and SL please give a read on barakos when you can.
At the time I was like "huh, why barakos of all people?". If he had a greencheck on barakos that question makes more sense to me...
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On May 28 2015 21:43 plotspot wrote: And I already explained why an RB, Mason and Cop is fair to Mafia RB, Mafia Godfather and Mafia Goon. Scumteam Tictock Sulfurus just had bad luck that we just hit Barakos (both me and Bats), Rels (me) and 27ninja. Or is there any doubt to whether 27ninja might be Godfather? Her cluelessness simply makes it extremely unlikely. You even see now that Tictock tries hard to deflect from voting for Sulfurus for whatever reason you want. And I posted a post about Sulfurus just somewhere above that gives her away as Mafia, especially if you know the setup now.
town RB = 1 active role cop = 1 active role masons = 2 passive roles = 2 active, 2 passive
mafia GF = 1 passive role RB = 1 active role = 1 active, 1 passive
*scratches head* How about no?
Also ticktoc just posted a pretty credible blue claim. You will have to make a pretty damn good case to convince me he is lying. Your unflipped association stuff with Sulfurus and ticktoc is nowhere near being a good case.
##vote: plotspot
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On May 28 2015 22:17 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 09:48 Sulfurus wrote: @Batsnacks How do you know Bunnies is not the GF? I will explain how this post will reveal Sulfurus as Mafia, and basically supports my case without the Tictock interaction. Sulfurus posted that question after clueless Batsnacks and disformation are hysterical about there being another Mafia RB. The right question would have been "How do you know Bunnies and Barakos are not the GF"? In her mind it was 100% technically perfect that Barakos cannot be mafia. She assumes that Batsnacks believed this lie. The truth his however it is totally possible for Barakos to be Godfather with the Town RB setup. He just automatically reads him town because he is mafia.
trying to discredit some people unlikely to buy your story? cute.
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On May 28 2015 22:48 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 22:37 Tictock wrote: I notice SL and Dis are expecting me to claim mason. Honestly though, I feel like if I were a role wouldn't I be in the best position to not claim? Like most people are reading me as town anyway, if I were to claim a role it wouldn't really narrow things down at the moment.
I would have held to this thinking as well, but once the role speculation started to get too out of hand I realized it was in fact doing town more harm than good. And thanks to a thing known as "a flip" Bre is in fact the only confirmed blue role at this moment in the game. It's up to town to decide if the people claiming roles have been acting in line with that role, and to sniff out any fake claims that have inconsistencies. I think he still missed my question. PLOTSPOT!!What was your reasoning RBing him in the first place? The "him" = Barakos I couldn't read him that well. While I said he was town earlier, I had my doubts internally and not published. I wonder why batsnacks thought the same?
That is basically the only mention of barakos in your filter...
On May 26 2015 07:47 plotspot wrote:Barakos: feels genuine. I believe what he says. He has an alerting but inoffensive way of expressing himself and most (if not all) his posts I can say: “hmm yeah I see the meaning behind it”. A possibly strange point which reinforce my town read on him is that he fantasizes about how scum QT looks like here. For me it’s hard to imagine scum would do that, I mean just for the thought of it at all. But here we have a townie imagining how things went in the scum QT and scott’s case is really a strange one, that leaves me wondering whether he betrayed his mates or whether they knew he had some time issues and just deal with it somehow.
Why the fuck would you roleblock a null/town read over a scum read?
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Ah. Damn. Just noticed... We either have a town rb or a 2nd mafia rb. Because we only have one claimed rb each night... Maybe I am clueless.
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On May 28 2015 23:00 Barakos wrote: We'll not have to wait till next lynch... I am pretty sure, boxerfred will enter the thread, not cc and your whole "sulfurus, tictock"-theory will come crushing down.
even if he counterclaims, all my money is on bf being the fakeclaim... the reason for this just being his excitement of finally finding a bluerole last night, when he thought it breshke softclaimed cop. Tictock being breshkes masonpartner is the far more believable option.
this. Though I feel like something is missing. This stuff is not making a lot of sense.
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EBWOP: This stuff = all the roles and claims flying around.
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On May 28 2015 23:18 Tictock wrote: Actually, never mind if plots is scum we should discount pretty much everything he's said
Depends if BF cc's you or not.
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On May 28 2015 23:24 plotspot wrote: But then who would his scum partner when Tictock is mason? Is boxerfreds scum partner Sulfurus? I kinda make it clear that I can see Sulfurus as scum without the association to Tictock. What do you guys think of the mislip I talk about?
Well, Sulfurus and boxerfred being mafia would align with my huge wall post. Opposing to ticktoc I read you willing to die for the lynch on Sulfurus as rather towny. The misslip is a good point actually enough. *Sigh*
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Okay, just for verification: plotspot: you did only claim to be roleblocked in N1 to get the mafia to think you are not the rb, right?
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plotspot: could you explain why boxerfred was the second mason in your opinion? imo you never bothered to explain that.
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On May 29 2015 02:02 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 19:55 disformation wrote:Also town rb and gf stuff: Since batsnacks is 100% the cop and we 100% have masons, that makes it extremely unlikely we also have a town rb (that can block mafia kp!). Thus I agree that we have 2 mafia rb. Which makes it a bit more unlikely we have mafia rb/rb/gf. By taking out the people with claims,checks, etc. the people left are: ticktoc boxerfred Sulfurus sicklucker disformation That is like a 2/5 to lynch mafia. If one of those is the town mason and claims, we are down to basically a 50% chance of hitting mafia. In my case, if I take myself out (since I know I'm town) and you are the mason. I have only 3 targets left. Look at my huge wall a few pages ago. Even if there is a GF, one of those 3 is 100% mafia. Solid post. Except taking you out. It's fun how you imply the GF role but include bunnies in your "she's green-checked" list. Why do you do that?
In your case you can totally take yourself out and leave me in the pool. Was trying to imply that with "I take myself out (since I know I'm town)". Should have been more clear. "Even if there" at the time I was highly doubting the existence of a GF.
Currently very unsure. Likely to drop the role speculation stuff altogether and return to look at who looks really scummy and so on, since I feel all the role speculation stuff will lead into a trap.
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On May 29 2015 02:04 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 20:42 disformation wrote:Yo. plotspot. On May 28 2015 12:56 27ninjabunnies wrote: EBWOP: Why ARE YOU no lynching? I am getting a bit annoyed right now. This game is basically solvable using some logic, but we are having a bunch of (presumably) town trying to make it as hard as possible to the very last minute. I kinda want to go in a corner and cry for a bit. Is it? Go on, do it. I'm really curious to hear you call out others.
At the time of posting that I was very sure that lynching according to my huge wall would bring town a victory. And I don't like the tone. =p
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So. I am currently looking at the filters of everyone alive, to see if I can get a solid scum read on anyone... and look what I have found:
On May 28 2015 05:50 27ninjabunnies wrote: Lol. I don't like talking at night cause it gives mafia role reads.
Dumb.
But if you must know. As I've already said.
Breshke is town. Is highly look at s cum between SL, dis, and maybe batsnacks now. I'll give reasonings on them tomorrow.
Plots you are in my possible s cum list too How often has bunnies failed to deliver onto something now? I kinda lost track...
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On May 29 2015 03:09 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 03:02 sicklucker wrote:On May 29 2015 02:03 batsnacks wrote: I think I'm just going to assume all the claims are legit. I'm the cop, Tiktok is the mason, plot is the rb. All town.
I think it's too dangerous for mafia to claim mason and risk getting cced if there is another mason in the game. Tiktok is probably the mason.
I think the way plot claimed is too insane to be mafia. I don't think mafia completely loses their shit and makes a huge scene like that.
So there must be a gf, meaning my checks are less useful. If bunnies is the gf then her partner probably voted Bill Murray to save her, which sulfur didn't. Which is curious. who does that leave. Altho sulf didnt vote to save her. He didnt vote against her he wasted his vote if i recall correctly. He simply could have been waiting to see if bunnies needed his vote to survive and if so use it Yeah. Also, in sulfur's "reasons" post he said he would have been happy if either bill or bunnies got lynched, so it's strange how his vote wound up on neither of them. So maybe you're right. Either way I think he's a better lynch than 27nb today. If all the claims are legit were left with barakos, SL, bunnies, disinfo, sulfur. I think at most 1 of barakos/27nb can be mafia because of the green checks.
Did I miss something? boxerfred is still left, too.
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So we just should look really hard at these people decide, on a list and lynch them.
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On May 29 2015 04:56 27ninjabunnies wrote: We aren't lynching a claimed rb. Especially after the mafia one died and there was roleblock after that.
We lynch outside of that.
There very well could be a godfather, so yes, while the checks can't be looked at in a for sure matter, you know one oof us is town, if not both.
So we lynch outside of the checks too. They can be revisited later.
Open for suggestions.
On May 28 2015 13:55 27ninjabunnies wrote: Tops lynches
PRP Dis
Sulf/SL if the other two arent mafia. Who/What is PRP? Also... you did promise some stuff yesterday. Could you keep at least one promise this game? Like pretty please?
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On May 29 2015 05:32 plotspot wrote: Guys we just lynch one of the not checked. I don't know what the setup of the Mafia is. If it's only 1 GF than we have among ninjabunnies and barakos a 84% chance of mislynch. It's like these guys are 84% confirmed town. We use everyones cooperation to vote one of the 4 guys, SL, disinformation, sulfurus and boxerfred.
I read SL and disformation town. So I am willing to vote: sulfurus or boxerfred. I'll weight up who of them is scummier tomorrow. But please tell me your opinion, we can only vote one of them. Who of those two do you guys think is more scummy? If you decided on disformation or SL I'd be very unreluctant to accept, but post your case if you think it's totally support them being scum.
Can maybe help you out here, just am working on this:
Sulfurus: + looks really good D1: putting out original reads on a bunch of people. 0/- after a poe list (that doesn't look good by now) on D2, it gets hard to track who he thinks is scum/town - doesn't touch scott at all D1. - while he doesn't like to unvote his #1 scum read, he isn't really pushing any of them... - has literally zero interaction with the two persons he wasted his votes on (on the day he votes for them)
boxerfred: - very not pushy D1 - kinda sheeps the vote onto scott D1, says he doesn't like this, but keeps his vote that way 0 looks like he is trying to make sense of what is happening D1, not giving a lot of original thoughts but commenting on a lot of stuff other people post + not sheeping onto sicklucker wagon, puts out some reads D2 + moves vote to #2 scum (bunnies) after realizing that there is no SK 0 sheeps onto bill murray because for pressure 0 returns to bunnies because he doesn't like to kill inactives 0 a lot of his effort seem to be focuses on sicklucker, BM and me + seems to be overall confused by the role setup this game 0 1/3 of his filter happens after he sees that a lot of people want to lynch him D3
0 = null + = town - = scum
bit of a work in progress. if you have any differing opinions feel free to ask/correct, whatever
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EBWOP: Not sure on the ratings on boxerfred, suggestions?
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Yeah, I agree that we should stop talking about roles and claims that much and just lynch the scummiest person around.
batsnacks whole D2 play makes basically no sense without him being the cop. ticktoc being the 2nd mason makes a lot of sense. plotspot is an unclaimed blue after all...
A pity that a lot of people look so scummy. Let me waffle around for a bit... ##unvote Ah btw "good news": evening plans for tomorrow were cancelled so I'll be around for EoD and stuff tomorrow.
I wish I could be of more help to town, but I am kinda fatigued atm. =/ This game...
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On May 29 2015 06:07 plotspot wrote: Right I have no experience with it. If you think it's unusual, let's ask cakepie after the game why that is, do you agree?
That is basically my whole problem. The setup IS unusual no matter how I think about it. And if you or batsnacks are lying this stance might make town lose.
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On May 29 2015 06:19 batsnacks wrote: @disinfo My d2 play made enough sense for you to vote with me for the same reasons I did.
Upon rereading it N2, I found it strange that your only interaction with bunnies was asking her for a read on barakos.
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On May 29 2015 06:29 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 06:21 disformation wrote:On May 29 2015 06:19 batsnacks wrote: @disinfo My d2 play made enough sense for you to vote with me for the same reasons I did. Upon rereading it N2, I found it strange that your only interaction with bunnies was asking her for a read on barakos. I am intentionally less useful at night, especially when I'm the cop. It makes sense if you think about it.
meant to say "upon rereading your D2 behaviour during N2".
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On May 29 2015 06:37 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 06:32 disformation wrote:On May 29 2015 06:29 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2015 06:21 disformation wrote:On May 29 2015 06:19 batsnacks wrote: @disinfo My d2 play made enough sense for you to vote with me for the same reasons I did. Upon rereading it N2, I found it strange that your only interaction with bunnies was asking her for a read on barakos. I am intentionally less useful at night, especially when I'm the cop. It makes sense if you think about it. meant to say "upon rereading your D2 behaviour during N2". That was definitely not my only interaction with bunnies d2. I was the first person to vote bunnies. I started the wagon on her. I repeatedly asked her about bill. When she responded I followed up and asked for her comments on bill's big post that got everyone off his back. I asked her for reads on everyone.
rereading. please stay tuned.
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On May 29 2015 06:39 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 06:37 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2015 06:32 disformation wrote:On May 29 2015 06:29 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2015 06:21 disformation wrote:On May 29 2015 06:19 batsnacks wrote: @disinfo My d2 play made enough sense for you to vote with me for the same reasons I did. Upon rereading it N2, I found it strange that your only interaction with bunnies was asking her for a read on barakos. I am intentionally less useful at night, especially when I'm the cop. It makes sense if you think about it. meant to say "upon rereading your D2 behaviour during N2". That was definitely not my only interaction with bunnies d2. I was the first person to vote bunnies. I started the wagon on her. I repeatedly asked her about bill. When she responded I followed up and asked for her comments on bill's big post that got everyone off his back. I asked her for reads on everyone. rereading. please stay tuned.
D1 you say you lean scum on bunnies and want to reread her filter. then you go "well she's okay" and vote scott. D2 you ask sicklucker what he thinks of bunnies. + Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 08:18 sicklucker wrote: a bunnies lynch wouldnt make me happy but I wouldnt cry about it You vote her out of the blue on next things on bunnies: + Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 04:28 batsnacks wrote: 27nb and SL please give a read on barakos when you can. Then you state a few times that you probably will unvote bunnies: + Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 20:23 batsnacks wrote: It should be easy for 27nb to not be the lynch today all she has to do is try and cooperate, which she's doing neither. On May 26 2015 20:27 batsnacks wrote: If 27nb shows up and makes some super compelling push on e.g. sulfur and makes a strong case on why she's town I'd probably unvote. She just needs to do what SL is doing and 1) try and 2) cooperate. State that she also could be the lynch that day: + Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 20:47 batsnacks wrote: I could see any of 27nb, bm, sulfur, Barakos, or even me being the lynch today. SL earned another day imo. Tiktok, BF, plot, disfo are all safe for now I think, unless I missed something huge. It sort of depends on what, if anything, bunnies does. bunnies shows up, cases BM, ignores your previous question: you ask her two question, which she answers: <- missed that part, sry + Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 23:13 batsnacks wrote: Bunnies talk about his big post. That's the one that got people off his back. On May 27 2015 04:44 batsnacks wrote: 27nb what about breshke?
Okay, yeah she answered two of your questions, that is more interaction than I could remember. sry. I think I start to get confused by constantly rereading stuff. Should probably go to bed before I start to post more crap. =/
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First question was alreay answered by me here:
On May 29 2015 02:06 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 02:02 boxerfred wrote:On May 28 2015 19:55 disformation wrote:Also town rb and gf stuff: Since batsnacks is 100% the cop and we 100% have masons, that makes it extremely unlikely we also have a town rb (that can block mafia kp!). Thus I agree that we have 2 mafia rb. Which makes it a bit more unlikely we have mafia rb/rb/gf. By taking out the people with claims,checks, etc. the people left are: ticktoc boxerfred Sulfurus sicklucker disformation That is like a 2/5 to lynch mafia. If one of those is the town mason and claims, we are down to basically a 50% chance of hitting mafia. In my case, if I take myself out (since I know I'm town) and you are the mason. I have only 3 targets left. Look at my huge wall a few pages ago. Even if there is a GF, one of those 3 is 100% mafia. Solid post. Except taking you out. It's fun how you imply the GF role but include bunnies in your "she's green-checked" list. Why do you do that? In your case you can totally take yourself out and leave me in the pool. Was trying to imply that with "I take myself out (since I know I'm town)". Should have been more clear. "Even if there" at the time I was highly doubting the existence of a GF. Currently very unsure. Likely to drop the role speculation stuff altogether and return to look at who looks really scummy and so on, since I feel all the role speculation stuff will lead into a trap.
On May 29 2015 07:33 boxerfred wrote: [...]Dis, bunnies, barakos and sulf do a great job with that thus far.
Thanks.
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On May 29 2015 07:42 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 07:39 disformation wrote:First question was alreay answered by me here: On May 29 2015 02:06 disformation wrote:On May 29 2015 02:02 boxerfred wrote:On May 28 2015 19:55 disformation wrote:Also town rb and gf stuff: Since batsnacks is 100% the cop and we 100% have masons, that makes it extremely unlikely we also have a town rb (that can block mafia kp!). Thus I agree that we have 2 mafia rb. Which makes it a bit more unlikely we have mafia rb/rb/gf. By taking out the people with claims,checks, etc. the people left are: ticktoc boxerfred Sulfurus sicklucker disformation That is like a 2/5 to lynch mafia. If one of those is the town mason and claims, we are down to basically a 50% chance of hitting mafia. In my case, if I take myself out (since I know I'm town) and you are the mason. I have only 3 targets left. Look at my huge wall a few pages ago. Even if there is a GF, one of those 3 is 100% mafia. Solid post. Except taking you out. It's fun how you imply the GF role but include bunnies in your "she's green-checked" list. Why do you do that? In your case you can totally take yourself out and leave me in the pool. Was trying to imply that with "I take myself out (since I know I'm town)". Should have been more clear. "Even if there" at the time I was highly doubting the existence of a GF. Currently very unsure. Likely to drop the role speculation stuff altogether and return to look at who looks really scummy and so on, since I feel all the role speculation stuff will lead into a trap. On May 29 2015 07:33 boxerfred wrote: [...]Dis, bunnies, barakos and sulf do a great job with that thus far. Thanks. Regarding this, I still don't get why you say "there's possibly a BF" but at the same time say "bunnies is green". Might just be an implication of "well green-reads can be gf" or a huge blunder from a scum member However, this is it for today, good night!
Okay, last post for today, too.
I will try to walk you through this with every little step. 1) assume the claims are all valid 2) assume there is no GF or the GF wasn't checked 3) look at the people left 4) count them 5) result was 5 (with the 2nd mason claim this would be 4 now), therefore 2/5 would be mafia if 1) and 2) are true 6) assuming 1) and 2) + you take yourself and the 2nd mason: we would have a 66% chance to hit scum if we randomly lynch one of the 3 remaining people 7) assuming 1) is true and 2) is not true, the % is lower (33), but there is bound to be only 1 GF.
where has anything of this anything to do with bunnies? This is also why I meant that this game could be solved with logic. But later I unsure if I using assumptions 1) and 2) are a good idea for town, because if one of the claims is false, we will lose using this logic. I hope you can understand my thought process now.
Random rant: Why are so many people looking scummy this game? At least like three persons are making this game harder for town, I feel. =/
outgoing things town should consider for D3:
- Are we willing to believe the claims?
- Who of the remaining people looks the scummiest?
I hope to see some real cases trying to answer these questions tomorrow. Otherwise I will have to do that and my reads are crap this game. :p
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EBWOP: "But later I unsure if I using assumptions 1) and 2) are a good idea for town, because if one of the claims is false, we will lose using this logic." should read: But later I got unsure if using assumptions 1) and 2) are a good idea for town, because if one of the claims is false, we will lose using this logic.
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On May 29 2015 20:47 Tictock wrote: I'm not really trying to say "ignore roles".
Just Think outside them as well.
That is a very good idea. Basically saying: "Let us look at ALL people and lynch the scummiest." Might also lead us to the discovery if and who might be fakeclaiming here. Was trying that for a bit yesterday, but wasn't able to go through all people with that because I started to get pretty tired/fatigued.
Sulfurus has the huge problem, that after D1 he really started to fall off and there is not much to go on. Which is in my mind a scum strategy... the best post from him D2 was his poe list which had a ton of people (keeping options open) and by now a lot of that list turned out to be town. So I can easily see why a lot of people think he is scum.
On May 29 2015 20:56 batsnacks wrote: I'm gonna vote bunnies in breshke's honor if she afks again. I think the green check adds to her town equity but she said to hold her accountable for what she says she'll do so I'm going to do that.
I really hope she does something amazing this time.
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On May 29 2015 22:06 Barakos wrote: That would mean plots fakeclaimed having been rb'ed during N1.
He claimed having been rb'ed during N1 in N2. So he could have waited N1 and D2 to see if someone was claiming to be rb'ed. As a town that was being rb'ed would have been likely to claim. And yes that would 100% lead to you being his GF friend. But looking through your filter I haven't been able to find substantial evidence for that and I am not sure if I want to go at a greencheck and unclaimed blue for such a tinfoil theory.
That being said. I still think we should check that theory out and not dismiss it right of the bat.
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On May 29 2015 22:24 Tictock wrote: This also leads me to believe that you Bara are joining in with the fake claims to mislead town into thinking there is a 2nd Roleblocker this game.
Possible. But we have to find good evidence that point to:
- Bara being scum
- Bara being plotspots partner
I skimmed Baras filter and he seemed to interact with a bunch of people. But I didn't see him putting out a lot of acutal reads and the interaction with plotspot until D3 was very minimal.
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EBWOP: I will read his and plotspots filter very carefully, to see if I can find something there. Otherwise I think we have to lynch one of Sulfuras/27ninjabunnies and maybe boxerfred.
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EBWOP2: I will read his and plotspots filter very carefully, when I am back at home. (in ~2h)
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On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote: So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.
I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.
##Vote:Sulfurus I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm.
if you are town you are making this game a lot harder. that is not very original and looks a lot like sheeping to save your ass... pretty disappointed so far. do you have anything else? your play D1 was way better... getting the feeling you lost interest after scott flipped...
but yeah i dont think we can lynch plotspot today, without finding something amazing...
tunneltoc and waffleboy (thats me in case someone doesnt get it) best team :p
also phone post. will be at home in 30min
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On May 30 2015 00:03 27ninjabunnies wrote: Lol how is what I posted not caring?
Okay, I'll axe you a few questions: Of the remaining people (that means no claim, no check and so on): Who do you think the most town and why do you think so? Who is your second highest scum read after Sulfurus and why?
What is your current read on barakos (ignoring his green check)?
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On May 30 2015 00:44 plotspot wrote: Lol Tictock basically gave it away guys, why should he prefer me (the Goon) over Barakos (the God father), if in case I'm not the Goon, Barakos could still be a possible Godfather? Does he know something more than we do?
He doesn't want to lynch you because you are the Goon, he wants to lynch you because he thinks your filter looks incredible scummy. Would like to see him making a case out of it tbh. And you are a bit spamy atm. Could you please try to stop that? Makes the thread harder to read and I always have to search for the posts you are talking about.
I also really don't like how ticktoc and you are tunneling each other. You are an uncc'ed blue, with a pretty low chance of actually being lynched, why are you fighting him so hard? Why are you on him again, after dropping him like a hot potato, after someone (wasn't it barakos?) says that boxerfred probably won't counter cc ticktoc's mason claim?
so far barakos's filter looks pretty towny to me.
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Ah, btw. unless I find something great that would make a worthwhile case, I am willing to sheep onto 27ninjabunnies, Sulfurus or maybe boxerfred. Depending what happens the next few hours. Besides from bunnies I would like to read stuff from batsnacks and sicklucker, since they probably have the most experience in handling situations like this.
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On May 30 2015 01:21 plotspot wrote: ok sorry dis, I don't know where you are reading currently but please can you read the last 3 pages and give me an opinion of what you think?
About what exactly? ticktoc is afraid that one of the blue claims is lying and town will lose if we ignore that. Since you two were yelling at each other since a while and batsnacks claim is pretty legit, he thinks you are fakeclaiming. You are pretty frustrated of this and try to convince him otherwise.
TBH I think you are both reaching a lot by now.
Just noticed that barakos seems a bit focused on sicklucker and me, but at least he is consistent of that through the whole game.
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On May 30 2015 01:31 Tictock wrote: @ Dis Notice any shifts in Bara's attitude when lynching inactives?
Hm? The guy who changed his attitude about lynching inactives was boxerfred? Barakos was set on voting me D1 and set on sicklucker D2. Thinks sicklucker and me are both his top scum reads, but he is willing to sheep our cop today. Yeah it is not great, but with all the confusing about roles and claims I can understand why he would be willing to do that.
barakos looked solid D1, putting out his own reads (was the first to vote me) and pushes (does 2 cases on me D1). Not that much of unique reads D2, but he has a bunch of interactions with people. Might need to look if he sheeped onto sicklucker D2.
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Eh wait. I think I am confusing boxerfred and barakos a bit. -.- I'll stop reading thread until I am done with the filter.
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On May 30 2015 02:23 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 02:08 Tictock wrote: Honestly town can do whatever it wants.
I'm not sheeping this weak as hell case on Sul. I'm more convinced 27nb just doesn't care at this point.
I could be way out in WIFOM land but at least I'm trying. So push SL or disinfo or barakos... Here's a good place to start: SL likes to drop off in activity once he's safe as mafia.
Which he clearly did D2, after most votes where off him. Also haven't seen him at all today... He also didn't answer the question from my wall post.
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"So push SL..." *summoning of sicklucker succesful*
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On May 30 2015 02:27 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 02:21 disformation wrote:On May 30 2015 01:48 boxerfred wrote:On May 30 2015 01:35 batsnacks wrote: Tiktok don't vote plot. Even if he is the mafia rb he has to do what we say now. We can just make him rb whoever we want and if he doesn't listen we can lynch him. Good point. Next up on my list would be 27nb or dis. Still saying Sulf is probably town. ##unvote ##vote Disformation kay. whatevs. Have you at least read my answer to your question? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=86#1716Also: + Show Spoiler + Yes. You still did not answer my question. I was not asking how you came down to that list, I was asking how you said "There is a godfather" and "bunnies is greenchecked and thus a confirmed townie". I can get point one. I can get point two. If you say both at the same time, you create a paradox.
... FFS Next try:
- Make a pool of all people alive.
- Remove people with claims and checks and so on
- If we randomly lynch one of those people we have a 66% chance to hit mafia IF there is no GF
[*]IF there is a GF: this chance is 33% IF one of bunnies or barakos is the GF
This is not a paradox... better?
@sicklucker: Care to explain why you said BM might be scum in this post:
On May 26 2015 21:37 sicklucker wrote: Well im pretty convinced. One scum is definitely [b##unvote ]##vote 21ninjabunnies
When she flips ill figure out which one of sulp/barak/boxerfred made up fake reasons to scum read. Could also be bm Earlier D2 you had him cleared off all suspicion after reading through scott's filter and saying scott spewed him town.
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On May 30 2015 01:59 Sulfurus wrote: @Tictock please please please don't vote on Plots today. Obviously Batsnacks dies tonight but on the next night Mafia has to kill him since at this point he is a superior medic (he can prevent a KP regardless of who it is on and he confirms a mafia) so there is no point in doing mafia's job for them. This is what I was trying to say with my previous post so hopefully this gets through to you this time.
Right now my POE list is NinjaBunnies, Sicklucker, BoxerFred, and Disformation (no offense to the town on the list, I just think Barakos is townier) so we should lynch one of those names, preferably Bunnies.
And yes if a VT ever gets NK before a blue feel free to go ham on Plots.
This post honestly looks like town getting town to stop doing stuff. Sound reasoning. PoE list looks reasonable. But I'd like to hear a few explanations about that.
27ninjabunnies starts to give me an annoyed/frustrated town vibe... and I kinda have a feeling that D2 was between two town wagons (yeah a feeling is probably not a really solid reasoning, but whatevs :p). I am also not really fond of the odds of lynching into a green check...
On May 30 2015 02:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 00:12 disformation wrote:On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote: So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.
I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.
##Vote:Sulfurus I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm. if you are town you are making this game a lot harder. that is not very original and looks a lot like sheeping to save your ass... pretty disappointed so far. do you have anything else? your play D1 was way better... getting the feeling you lost interest after scott flipped... but yeah i dont think we can lynch plotspot today, without finding something amazing... tunneltoc and waffleboy (thats me in case someone doesnt get it) best team :p also phone post. will be at home in 30min Lol, i dont care about the scott flip. Scott did nthing to help us find the other two mafia. We have no reads based on that except for voting and probably high bussing. Im going off of what i know. How is that not original? I was reading Sulfurus town day 1. Many people have been calling me scummy for this, but i am reevaluating my read. I gave what I have already. I said we dont lynch any of the claimed roles, and we dont lynch the greenchecks. The greencheck on the other person that was checked could very well be real, and i know the greencheck on me is real because i am town.
So I really need to look into my two remaining choices: boxerfred and sicklucker...
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On May 30 2015 02:44 boxerfred wrote:Also I love how your posts starts with "FFS" and ends with " " :D
Yeah at first I was like "Ugh! This is not rocket science!" and then I was like "okay, this is much easier to understand than before."
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On May 30 2015 02:57 boxerfred wrote: Yeah, or you and sicklucker *rolls eyes*. You and me are so fucking interchangeable. Since I'm not maf, I'm re-picking up my vote on you. ##vote Disformation. Seriously you're not even trying to understand my reads regarding plots and 27nb, you just keep yolo'ing on people. I'm willing to bet money on you unvoting in a bit and follow the main train anyways. I said it before and I say it again, I do not like this play at all.
You are awefully quick to pick up that vote after I mention your name. And I think I already unvoted. (Vote count please?)
But stay with me: Without the blue claims and myself who is left: bunnies: who looks not good at all on D2 and D3, but has a green check. Not 100% comfortable to lynch a green check. Sulfurus: who looked really good D1, did nothing D2, looks at bit better as of today. boxerfred: Not really sold either way. sicklucker: Looks pretty good D3, but there are some D2 plays that confuse me and he hasn't even bothered to explain. Also ridic hard to read overall. disformation: yeah I am not the greatest, but in my mind it is obvious that I am at trying to solve this. I am also trying to show you WHY I am waffling that much. Also since sicklucker tried this already we know that I am not allowed to vote myself.
So. 3+ people on that list are town making the game a lot harder and I am having a hard time deciding who on that list is the scummiest person around.
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Yo.
On May 27 2015 22:41 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 22:40 boxerfred wrote:On May 27 2015 22:23 Tictock wrote: @BF The whole SK thing was some tinfoil hat theory that I liked too much and took seriously. I suggest we go back to ignoring it until we at least find more scum.
I get your thinking on Dis, but to me that's just a sign on him being a new player and not being sure of his own reads. You could probably make this argument about me, but I like pushing what I see pretty hard.
Lets for a moment put aside our thoughts about Dis and SL.
Who are you fairly confident is town? Where do you think we should look for scum in our shortening list of players? I wouldn't put that aside as fast as you do it. Changing a posting pattern is a serious thing. I get your "he's new" approach but I think you forget that dis is very conscious of posting patterns, he mentioned my pattern in a post. He must know that posting patterns are quite telly and he even took it in account when he was pushing me. So I at least want to know why his pattern changed so much. Any info, disinfo? I am fairly confident that Breshke is town. Can't tell for sure of course but his posts are very reasonable. He's taking his time to argue and he's very fair towards people, decently pushing at the same time though. I held batsnacks for town (also because he read me town basically all the time) but that might just be him pocketing me. I don't have a read on you, tictock, and feel like you should be under some more pressure or at least give some info on what your current reads are, now that BM flipped coin. I think putting SL aside at least until EoN is a good thing. We have no new clues thus far and he's fairly active, arguing in a weird but relatively reasonal way. Seems to have stopped yolo'ing. When it comes to scum, I'm still holding the 27nb and SL torch, throwing a bit of disinfo into it.
Wasn't that your last read on 27ninjabunnies? Why aren't you voting her now? Why do you pick me over her? Why not make a case on sicklucker? Also at this point stating that you are on me since D2 sounds a lot like tunneling. Also If you were town you wouldn't go this mad on the only person really pushing you... do you want to discredit me, so others won't look at my facts this hard?
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On May 30 2015 03:15 boxerfred wrote:yeah I can go full plots by now or you can just explain some things that were brought up against you (also by dis by the way).
She already answered that stuff?
On May 30 2015 02:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 00:12 disformation wrote:On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote: So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.
I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.
##Vote:Sulfurus I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm. if you are town you are making this game a lot harder. that is not very original and looks a lot like sheeping to save your ass... pretty disappointed so far. do you have anything else? your play D1 was way better... getting the feeling you lost interest after scott flipped... but yeah i dont think we can lynch plotspot today, without finding something amazing... tunneltoc and waffleboy (thats me in case someone doesnt get it) best team :p also phone post. will be at home in 30min Lol, i dont care about the scott flip. Scott did nthing to help us find the other two mafia. We have no reads based on that except for voting and probably high bussing. Im going off of what i know. How is that not original? I was reading Sulfurus town day 1. Many people have been calling me scummy for this, but i am reevaluating my read. I gave what I have already. I said we dont lynch any of the claimed roles, and we dont lynch the greenchecks. The greencheck on the other person that was checked could very well be real, and i know the greencheck on me is real because i am town.
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I am getting the feeling you are only looking at my posts to find some constructed reasons to call me mafia. Your last post on me also makes barely sense...
So let us OMGUS at each other for a bit. :D I am a bit annoyed though, since I don't see that helping town... but maybe I can look for scum in piece for a bit now.
##vote: boxerfred
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On May 30 2015 03:46 boxerfred wrote:By now I feel like we're tunneling each other and trying to prove each other being a scum member pretty hard. Which is fun and like really destructive. By now I can see people thinking that we're both scum. Noone would say that we're on the same team by now. I feel like a mad man by now.
*sigh* was halfway through writing a case on you. :p Sulfurus and 27ninjabunnies still look worse than you. So I should probably make up my mind which of these two I want to lynch.
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On May 30 2015 04:18 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 04:11 plotspot wrote: batsnacks, if you think bunnies and sulfurus are the mafia pair, then lynching Sulfurus is the mechanically sounder play, because you actually copchecked bunnies. My opinion is that bunnies is just a lazy townie. sulfur is scummier but he's new and this could just be how he plays. I have played a bunch of games with bunnies and this is not how she usually plays town.
Yeah, it is really maddening. bunnies looks bad but has that green check. Sulfurus looked okay D1 and a few posts today.
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(ignoring reads and meta): If there is a GF and the 3 blues are legit bunnies is still 5/6 town. That is like 83,33%. Or did I miss something?
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On May 30 2015 04:54 batsnacks wrote: Scott posted more words about sulfur d1 than he did about anyone else. Is mafia roleblocker Scott really going to spend most of his words d1 talking about his scum mate?
Hmmmm
Super glad to see that I am not the only one having trouble with this. btw.. ##unvote Not going to waste my vote.
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On May 30 2015 05:00 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 00:59 scott31337 wrote:I like Rels the most so far, his list post has a lot of good thoughts and questions. Not lynching today. Tictock seems like his town game so far - Not a D1 lynch I don't like BM's post here - On May 22 2015 14:15 Bill Murray wrote:On May 22 2015 13:15 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 12:44 Bill Murray wrote: I wish you'd lunch me breshke what do you mean? Read your post right above where I said that. You literally had a typo 39 seconds before that... It was a joke On May 22 2015 13:27 sicklucker wrote: bill murray is lynch bait.
definition - a guy who always looks scummy and gets lynched
not saying dont lynch him but keep that in mind Completely disagree with you You must be hyper imposing On May 22 2015 13:07 Sulfurus wrote: Unvote Breshke ##Vote: Bill Murray
I am actually astonished at how Murray can make so many posts with out providing anything of value on top of the fact that he has pushed every one of his agenda's in a scummy manner.
In posts 231 - 235 Breshke defends himself and Plotspot in a towny way and reading back Sicklucker is less towny than I thought so Breshke is no longer my top mafia. First off my name isn't Murray you can call me bill or BM. Call me Murray again and I promise you my vote won't leave you. Second , I don't have any "agenda" other than reading this game and trying to help new players. Who do you think you are? You say I'm voting in a scummy manner but provide no reasoning and no case of your own. You then go on to trying to refute my case on plotspot and Breshke. Cute. I isn't realize we had a white knight in our noobs. I'm just glad town will largely ignore you because you have a whopping five posts on this website and ou obviously don't know what you're doing. He's trying to incite Sulfurus here using emotion - Calling him a noob, says he doesn't know what he is doing, etc because he used his "last name"? Sulfurus has not replied to this yet, though. Often this is a mafia trait, and doing it to a "noob" so quickly is pretty bad. Sulf hasn't done much in the game either, and seems tunneled on BM. Batsnacks could go either way, he needs to set up some Battraps(tm) though, that'd be great. BM would be at the top of my lynch list at the moment though - but we have plenty of time Anyone have any questions for me? Look at how Scott is defending sulfur here from the big bad BM. I feel like newbie mafia Scott would gravitate toward defending townies over defending his scum mates.
Wouldn't defending teammates too much be a common scum mistake?
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On May 30 2015 05:02 batsnacks wrote: disfo are you scum bro?
No, but why are you asking all of a sudden?
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On May 30 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 05:02 disformation wrote:On May 30 2015 05:00 batsnacks wrote:On May 23 2015 00:59 scott31337 wrote:I like Rels the most so far, his list post has a lot of good thoughts and questions. Not lynching today. Tictock seems like his town game so far - Not a D1 lynch I don't like BM's post here - On May 22 2015 14:15 Bill Murray wrote:On May 22 2015 13:15 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 12:44 Bill Murray wrote: I wish you'd lunch me breshke what do you mean? Read your post right above where I said that. You literally had a typo 39 seconds before that... It was a joke On May 22 2015 13:27 sicklucker wrote: bill murray is lynch bait.
definition - a guy who always looks scummy and gets lynched
not saying dont lynch him but keep that in mind Completely disagree with you You must be hyper imposing On May 22 2015 13:07 Sulfurus wrote: Unvote Breshke ##Vote: Bill Murray
I am actually astonished at how Murray can make so many posts with out providing anything of value on top of the fact that he has pushed every one of his agenda's in a scummy manner.
In posts 231 - 235 Breshke defends himself and Plotspot in a towny way and reading back Sicklucker is less towny than I thought so Breshke is no longer my top mafia. First off my name isn't Murray you can call me bill or BM. Call me Murray again and I promise you my vote won't leave you. Second , I don't have any "agenda" other than reading this game and trying to help new players. Who do you think you are? You say I'm voting in a scummy manner but provide no reasoning and no case of your own. You then go on to trying to refute my case on plotspot and Breshke. Cute. I isn't realize we had a white knight in our noobs. I'm just glad town will largely ignore you because you have a whopping five posts on this website and ou obviously don't know what you're doing. He's trying to incite Sulfurus here using emotion - Calling him a noob, says he doesn't know what he is doing, etc because he used his "last name"? Sulfurus has not replied to this yet, though. Often this is a mafia trait, and doing it to a "noob" so quickly is pretty bad. Sulf hasn't done much in the game either, and seems tunneled on BM. Batsnacks could go either way, he needs to set up some Battraps(tm) though, that'd be great. BM would be at the top of my lynch list at the moment though - but we have plenty of time Anyone have any questions for me? Look at how Scott is defending sulfur here from the big bad BM. I feel like newbie mafia Scott would gravitate toward defending townies over defending his scum mates. Wouldn't defending teammates too much be a common scum mistake? The newbie mafia mindset feels like it would be: "BM is bullying this townie. I will put scum on BM since bullying townies is scummy!"
Hm. Opportunity for easy town creds, I see.
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EBWOP: Also good to see if there is the opportunity to push a misslynch, I guess. Though that would be probably to early in the game.
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Btw. Was looking at 27ninjabunnies filter.
On May 22 2015 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote: Sulfurus top town newbie read. Not lynching for entire game.
Or maybe atleast 2 days
She had this super hard town read on Sulfurus after his good first post. But now is voting him to save her ass.
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I also had a case on both Sulfurus and 27ninjabunnies D1. Sulfurus ignored it for a very long time and only answered, when I kept nagging him. Though that case wasn't very strong. 27ninjabunnies answered right away and made a case on me about some association read about BF+Me. Took her very long to reconsider, even after BF and I went at each other N1.
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Hmm... looking at Sulfurus and 27ninjabunnies reasons to vote each other: Sulfurus: + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2015 01:12 Sulfurus wrote:Ok so first off I see a couple of votes on Bunnies and I do very much agree that she has been scummy however remember that with no cop check there is 25%(1/8) of any one person being mafia excluding yourself but since there is only one mafia among the 7 possible green checks the cop check gives her a 14% to be mafia; that is an 11% difference so please don't dismiss the check. Which leads into my next point as you can read here and here not only do I believe Barakos is town, I think of him as my top town as in I won't even consider him being GF until potential lylo. On May 29 2015 12:38 Sulfurus wrote:@27nb How can you recommend me as a good cop check N1 when had me as town up untill D2 (which also happens to be the day I first put you on my scum list)? Honestly I am starting to really like the world where NinjaBunnies the GF attempted to pocket on D1 to get more votes for he mislynches. Looking at that post again she also recommended that Breske be checked even though she apperently townread him since D1. How was she planning on getting any information from that? On May 29 2015 16:49 Sulfurus wrote: If plots is mafia it will become apperant when he doesn't die in the night and Bunnies is more scummy anyway.
##Vote: 27NinjaBunnies
27ninjabunnies: + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2015 11:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 06:31 plotspot wrote: bunnies you too, give us an idea who to vote between Sulfurus and boxerfred? I am also taking on ideas about lynching SL and dis, but if you don't have a strong case about them you don't need to present it, imo. That's just me personally, other persons will want them nevertheless, but I don't know who so they have to request it from you directly. So I like boxerfred more than Sulfurus The only thing I have on sulfurus as townie was the day 1 response to me, other than that, I haven't been impressed. Boxer has atleast talked, pushed reads, made cases evven if they werent right. He seems to come from a townier perspective than Sulfurus does. Id lynch dis over SL, but toher than my reasoning on day 1 i dont really have anything as why. I'm going to do some filter diving later on tonight. Hold me to it this time. I swear it will get done. On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote: So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.
I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.
##Vote:Sulfurus I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm. On May 30 2015 02:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 00:12 disformation wrote:On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote: So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.
I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.
##Vote:Sulfurus I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm. if you are town you are making this game a lot harder. that is not very original and looks a lot like sheeping to save your ass... pretty disappointed so far. do you have anything else? your play D1 was way better... getting the feeling you lost interest after scott flipped... but yeah i dont think we can lynch plotspot today, without finding something amazing... tunneltoc and waffleboy (thats me in case someone doesnt get it) best team :p also phone post. will be at home in 30min Lol, i dont care about the scott flip. Scott did nthing to help us find the other two mafia. We have no reads based on that except for voting and probably high bussing. Im going off of what i know. How is that not original? I was reading Sulfurus town day 1. Many people have been calling me scummy for this, but i am reevaluating my read. I gave what I have already. I said we dont lynch any of the claimed roles, and we dont lynch the greenchecks. The greencheck on the other person that was checked could very well be real, and i know the greencheck on me is real because i am town.
By comparing these two: Sulfurus asks her a really good question. She doesn't answer that. Meanwhile 27ninjabunnies kinda sheeps the general points everyone raises about Sulfurus. And I kinda have a problem that she went from "best newbie ever" to "Day 1 was okay". Although she says that she needs to reevaluate him D2, so this kinda fits in her read progression.
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EBWOP: errr I messed something up here, didn't mean to do that vote -.-
##unvote
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On May 30 2015 05:27 disformation wrote:Hmm... looking at Sulfurus and 27ninjabunnies reasons to vote each other: Sulfurus: + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2015 01:12 Sulfurus wrote:Ok so first off I see a couple of votes on Bunnies and I do very much agree that she has been scummy however remember that with no cop check there is 25%(1/8) of any one person being mafia excluding yourself but since there is only one mafia among the 7 possible green checks the cop check gives her a 14% to be mafia; that is an 11% difference so please don't dismiss the check. Which leads into my next point as you can read here and here not only do I believe Barakos is town, I think of him as my top town as in I won't even consider him being GF until potential lylo. On May 29 2015 12:38 Sulfurus wrote:@27nb How can you recommend me as a good cop check N1 when had me as town up untill D2 (which also happens to be the day I first put you on my scum list)? Honestly I am starting to really like the world where NinjaBunnies the GF attempted to pocket on D1 to get more votes for he mislynches. Looking at that post again she also recommended that Breske be checked even though she apperently townread him since D1. How was she planning on getting any information from that? On May 29 2015 16:49 Sulfurus wrote: If plots is mafia it will become apperant when he doesn't die in the night and Bunnies is more scummy anyway. ##Vote: 27NinjaBunnies27ninjabunnies: + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2015 11:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 06:31 plotspot wrote: bunnies you too, give us an idea who to vote between Sulfurus and boxerfred? I am also taking on ideas about lynching SL and dis, but if you don't have a strong case about them you don't need to present it, imo. That's just me personally, other persons will want them nevertheless, but I don't know who so they have to request it from you directly. So I like boxerfred more than Sulfurus The only thing I have on sulfurus as townie was the day 1 response to me, other than that, I haven't been impressed. Boxer has atleast talked, pushed reads, made cases evven if they werent right. He seems to come from a townier perspective than Sulfurus does. Id lynch dis over SL, but toher than my reasoning on day 1 i dont really have anything as why. I'm going to do some filter diving later on tonight. Hold me to it this time. I swear it will get done. On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote: So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.
I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.
##Vote:Sulfurus I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm. On May 30 2015 02:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 00:12 disformation wrote:On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote: So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.
I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.
##Vote:Sulfurus I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm. if you are town you are making this game a lot harder. that is not very original and looks a lot like sheeping to save your ass... pretty disappointed so far. do you have anything else? your play D1 was way better... getting the feeling you lost interest after scott flipped... but yeah i dont think we can lynch plotspot today, without finding something amazing... tunneltoc and waffleboy (thats me in case someone doesnt get it) best team :p also phone post. will be at home in 30min Lol, i dont care about the scott flip. Scott did nthing to help us find the other two mafia. We have no reads based on that except for voting and probably high bussing. Im going off of what i know. How is that not original? I was reading Sulfurus town day 1. Many people have been calling me scummy for this, but i am reevaluating my read. I gave what I have already. I said we dont lynch any of the claimed roles, and we dont lynch the greenchecks. The greencheck on the other person that was checked could very well be real, and i know the greencheck on me is real because i am town. By comparing these two: Sulfurus asks her a really good question. She doesn't answer that. Meanwhile 27ninjabunnies kinda sheeps the general points everyone raises about Sulfurus. And I kinda have a problem that she went from "best newbie ever" to "Day 1 was okay". Although she says that she needs to reevaluate him D2, so this kinda fits in her read progression.
After rereading the conclusion: 27ninjabunnies looks straight up more scummy her. I hesitated voting her because the math suggests this might be a bad idea. Thought about it for a second and reconsidered. How is lynching the scummiest person around a bad idea?
##vote 27ninjabunnies This time for real and I want to be really amazed before I unvote this time.
sry for waffling around this much town.
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EWBOP: 27ninjabunnies looks straight up more scummy heree.
Also inb4 somebody finds something and I start to waffle again.
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On May 30 2015 05:45 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 12:38 Sulfurus wrote:@27nb How can you recommend me as a good cop check N1 when had me as town up untill D2 (which also happens to be the day I first put you on my scum list)? Honestly I am starting to really like the world where NinjaBunnies the GF attempted to pocket on D1 to get more votes for he mislynches. Looking at that post again she also recommended that Breske be checked even though she apperently townread him since D1. How was she planning on getting any information from that? can someone bring up the quote where bunnies asks breske to be checked? About to vote sulp i think
Right away good sir.
On May 24 2015 11:02 27ninjabunnies wrote: Good cop checks/vig shots
Dis BF Sulf(rather cop check) And Breshke (Cop check)
What do we think of BM as a vig shot?
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On May 30 2015 05:49 sicklucker wrote: why are neither bunnies or sulp putting up any sort of defense tho?
bunnies already had a bit of a "on the verge of giving up" feeling earlier, too. Something which made me waffle.
On May 30 2015 02:11 27ninjabunnies wrote: Lol, I care. It's just been a long week. Haha, and I shouldn't have /in on two games. Keeping up with both is super tough.
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EBWOP: Sry misread. You asked why noone is defending them. Instead "why aren't they defending themselves harder". ticktoc made a defensive case for Sulfurus:
On May 28 2015 15:13 Tictock wrote:Suls filter is short, and there's only been 2 votes. Time to do some analysis/defending! Sul opens with his response to SL's QT stuff and 27nb's, immediately pushes Breshke for his pressure on SL. + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 10:24 Sulfurus wrote: @sicklucker is it not normal for the mafia QT to be open during pregame b/c if it is you shouldn't have made that dumbtell also ##Vote: Breshke On May 22 2015 11:34 Sulfurus wrote: @NinjaBunnies the most important point in this game so far is when Breshke 1st stared pushing on Sicklucker since the conflict between the two has defined the entire game.
Speaking of that, Breshke is my top scum since he continuously pushes against Sicklucker with very bad reasoning (#159 he complains that he has disappeared and hasn't thought critically only 3 hours into the game)
I also scum read Murray due to his weak and untrue accusation against Dis in post #191 which made me think Sick is town since he tried Bandwagoning on him but he has since rescinded his vote. Calls out SL for contradicting himself a little + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 11:39 Sulfurus wrote: @sicklucker I think you are executing this rxn test very poorly since you just congratulated me on having "the best post in the thread" which you probably wouldn't do to some1 you have a red on. Swaps vote from Bre to BM. Gives good reasons why he is swapping. + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 13:07 Sulfurus wrote: Unvote Breshke ##Vote: Bill Murray
I am actually astonished at how Murray can make so many posts with out providing anything of value on top of the fact that he has pushed every one of his agenda's in a scummy manner.
In posts 231 - 235 Breshke defends himself and Plotspot in a towny way and reading back Sicklucker is less towny than I thought so Breshke is no longer my top mafia. Gives more of a townread on Bre, then unvotes BM. His reasons here seem fairly poor + Show Spoiler +On May 23 2015 07:19 Sulfurus wrote:Breshke is definitely more town than I thought, he defended plotspot (I don't care how he did it just that he did at all) and I've realized that his tunnel on SL is pro-town since he got he put pressure on someone who is a hard read. Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 10:25 Bill Murray wrote: Disinformation the game so far has been people reacting to a post batsnacks has , premade,
I completely misunderstood what this post meant I thought it was BM saying the Dis hadn't done anything this game. That combined with what SL said about him being mislynch bait means that I'll rescind my vote off of him. ##Unvote Says he is unsure why 27nb is defending him, gives a super weak tonwread on me then claims Bara as top town. In fact he likes Bara's points about Bats opening so much he votes Bats. + Show Spoiler +On May 24 2015 06:04 Sulfurus wrote:I admit even I am confused as to why NinjaBunnies is defending me so hard; right now the only vote on her is Tictock (someone who I have had a townread on longer then anyone else) but she is definitely someone who needs to be looked at later. For me the the person with the most useful reads and my top town is Barakos; he was the one who helped me townread Breshke and scumread Disformation with this post, he has shown a healthy suspicion of NinjaBunnies, and he influenced me to un-vote BM, along with SL, with his coinflip argument (for the record I still think SL is town). My favorite Barakos post so far is this one right here especially the Batsnacks part which shows how scummy he truly is (Bat's overly defensive reactions in posts 538 & 539 don't help his case either) so while he won't get lynched today I'll definitely be pushing for his death tomorrow. ##Vote: Batsnacks Further explains about his vote on Bats + Show Spoiler +On May 24 2015 06:26 Sulfurus wrote: @Tictock I think the Bats post you quoted is just straight up wrong. He literally cherry picked quotes to paint himself as a productive member of town when in reality it was people like Breshke and yourself who got the conversation started.
And the reason I like Berakos's post so much is that it showed that Bat really didn't care about making reads off of his I-ching post like he said he would. On May 24 2015 06:41 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 20:04 batsnacks wrote: Even though everyone in the thread is posting bs, and not following up on their bs, you have chosen to single out my bs out of all the other bs. How can you have a problem with the bs I posted at the start of the game and NOT have a problem with the bs other people were posting at the start of the game? Especially when my bs generated more discussion than anyone else's bs.
Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 20:04 batsnacks wrote: Especially when my bs generated more discussion than anyone else's bs.
This is pretty much a textbook example of a humblebrag he is pretending to self-deprecate his contributions when in reality he is saying his actions are towny. Gives thoughts about Vig shooting SL being better than cop checking + Show Spoiler +On May 24 2015 14:46 Sulfurus wrote: I predict that if cop receives a town check on SL people will accuse him of being GF/SK and lynch him anyway, so cop should not check him.
A vigi shot on him is fine since the only way town doesn't kill him is if he claims a role. Clarifies his stance on BM to Dis, he's saying BM is mislynch bait here... Also defends SL. + Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 14:14 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 19:57 disformation wrote:Sulfurus: 1) On May 24 2015 06:04 Sulfurus wrote:For me the the person with the most useful reads and my top town is Barakos; he was the one who helped me townread Breshke and scumread Disformation with this post, he has shown a healthy suspicion of NinjaBunnies, and he influenced me to un-vote BM, along with SL, with his coinflip argument (for the record I still think SL is town).] In the bolded post Barakos talks about sicklucker not me. Whoops I believe that should be a link to post 264Show nested quote +2) On May 24 2015 15:04 Sulfurus wrote: @Breshke I'll reread one more time and then I'll answer. I'd like him to follow up on this. 3) He also totally ignored my case/push on him. Maybe because I was the only one seeing something in this? Don't get me wrong, he has a bunch of stuff I like. But I'd def. like to see a more of this guy, before I can give him a solid town read. IIRC your 'case' against me is that I called Bill Murray 'mislynch bait' which came off as TMI to you. TBH I don't actually know if Bill is town or not but I thought that term sounded better then 'lynch bait' since bait is usually a kind of trap you don't want to get caught in (think fishing) but we want to lynch mafia not avoid it (hopefully that makes sense). As for Sicklucker I feel he has been so busy defending himself that he hasn't been able to give any useful reads and Rels gave a very good accusation of him here so I don't think I will bother defending and I may even vote on him if it comes down to it. @Bill Murray I don't quite understand why you rescinded your vote off of SL. Can you please explain? Gives us a PoE list and votes SL + Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 13:29 Sulfurus wrote: As of this moment my lynches are
Sicklucker Batsnacks 27NinjaBunnies Bill Murray BoxerFred
in that order
I admit it's kinda weird that 3 of those names voted for confirmed mafia but considering how Scott was playing the idea of a bus isn't too far-fetched.
##Vote: Sicklucker Responds to a couple of questions from me, reminds me of his stance on Bats and disagrees with my stance on plots + Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 13:52 Sulfurus wrote:@TicTock I actually already talked about Bats yesterday. It's mostly based off of what Barakos said and I think his points still stand. On May 26 2015 18:15 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 14:08 Tictock wrote: Oh yea last thought @ Sul
I do like your PoE list besides having BS 2nd. Right now I'm thinking
SL 27nb BM plots BF
Plots and BF are pretty much interchangeable in that list right now though.
I town read Plots for the simple reason that he scumread Rels after he died. Like what incentive does he have to do that as mafia? There is no mislynch he can push there and I don't think he realized I would town read him for that. Even if that was the purpose he would have tried to 'get credit' for it at some point instead of letting people forget about that read. In general Plot's demeanor this game has been to try get information into the hands of town instead of trying to push any kind of malicious agenda. Pressures Bats to explain his switch to BM (i'd like to know this as well) + Show Spoiler +On May 27 2015 14:04 Sulfurus wrote: @Batsnacks please go in depth on why you changed your vote to Bill Murray. Agrees BF is speculating too much about roles, but says he is likely town. + Show Spoiler +On May 28 2015 06:38 Sulfurus wrote: I agree that BoxerFred should stop talking about roles since it only helps mafia but all his specualtion seems really genuine and I think if he was mafia he would save that stuff for their QT.
Also I think he is extremely towny for going against the grain and voting Bunnies yesterday. Thinks it's likely bunnies is trying to pocket him + Show Spoiler +On May 28 2015 06:49 Sulfurus wrote: Also I agree with the logic that Bunnies was trying to pocket me because I am new only to change her read when she realized that wouldn't work. There's also his posts asking Bats why he is suddenly the #1 target and his pointing out that Bunnies could be potential GF, these were so recent I'm not bothering quoting. The Votes: Day 1 Sul left his vote on Bats. It's a throwaway vote but it is in line with his reads all game. Day 2 Again left his vote on SL. Sul's votes dont look great, but he's not around often to change his vote and he gives decent reasoning why he is voting as he does. His vote on SL is weak, but he never gave much indication he'd be willing to vote either bunnies or BM so it makes sense. To me the biggest point here is Sul calling out BM as mislynch bait, scum would not point out someone as a potential mislynch bait. I'm also not seeing anything here that indicates scum behavior. Given all this, you guys had better give some damed good reasons why Sul is scum. To me 27nb is still the clear target as nothing has actually cleared her of any of the reasons she was being lynched D2. Green check when there is a possibility of GF is not enough.
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On May 30 2015 06:09 sicklucker wrote: Like im kiliing them in any order unless boxer has the scummiest filter of all time. Whatever
Was digging into him a bit earlier, but stopped that because I kinda found myself looking too hard to find mafia. notes:
boxerfred:
D1
- starts with a random vote on BM on "indication"
- unvotes BM after reading my case on bunnies but admits to not really having read import junit.framework.TestCase;
- town lean on bunnies
- only mentions scott very very briefly (could be mafia not trying to build a strong connection to a team member)
- sheeps vote on scott without explanation
- says he doesn't like the coinflip on scott but keeps his vote
N1+D2
- starts to OMGUS on me after I call him out for his strange scott vote
- votes sicklucker after tictock; reason: sicklucker switching his votes too often
- switches to bunnies since he thought SL would be a SK and there is no SK
- switches to BM for pressure (3rd person on that wagon) (wait didn't he call sicklucker scum/SK for switching his votes too much?)
- switches back to bunnies since he doesn't want to lynch another inactive (didn't bunnies at least try to answer a few questions and wasn't really inactive? maybe nitpicking here)
N2
- "no idea about SL and disformation"
- agrees that bunnies looks bad (didn't he just unvote her D2?)
- sulf null read
D3
- gets super defensive when he appears on a bunch of PoE lists (especially towards me)
- gives sulf a town read
- votes plotspot; reason plotspot confusing the hell out of the thread
- thinks plotspot/bunnies/me are scum
- we start to yell at each other a lot
- unvotes / revotes me
general: + lots of interactions - hard to see where his reads are all the time (beside that he doesn't like me) - seemed to be rolehunting at a few points during the game
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On May 30 2015 06:26 boxerfred wrote: ##unvote ##vote 27ninjabunnies
We should've done this D2 already.
Oh, right. I have an error in my notes. You switiching from BM back to bunnies makes sense, sry.
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The hells batsnacks, care to explain?
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On May 30 2015 06:53 plotspot wrote: Bunnies is 80% town with the check. 80%.
She is also the scummiest person around?
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I hate making decisions under time pressure. -.-
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On May 30 2015 06:55 boxerfred wrote: I absolutely don't like what is going on currently.
I absolutely second that. And it seems rare for us to agree.
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On May 30 2015 06:56 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 06:54 disformation wrote:On May 30 2015 06:53 plotspot wrote: Bunnies is 80% town with the check. 80%. She is also the scummiest person around? yes, but it's just math the safe to play like that. It's just bunnies personality why she feels scummy. I'd be like scummy too when you read my filters. But facts are just facts.
I flipped a fucking coin for this.
##unvote ##vote Sulfurus
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Great. Of course. I kinda hate myself right now. -.- This game... Can't wait for D4...
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Yeah, I really hope we get some information out of this nightphase. Otherwise we might have a real problem at our hands now.
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On May 30 2015 07:37 plotspot wrote: This is a depressing game.
#2 I feel like I am only making bad decisions...
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On May 30 2015 09:36 sicklucker wrote: well heres what I was thinknig and it will prop get me flamed and im paranoid as fuck.
You rb bats. If hes a real cop mafia will kill him who cares no harm done you miss your 1/10 shot.
But if hes fake claiming ( he pushed a lynch off bunnies twice) then he will100% deliver the kp
and if he is not fake claiming town wastes both their powers and blues while town gets 0 information this night phase. Not sure if I like this. this game... will think more bout stuff tomorrow, going to bed now.
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actually town will not get information this and next nightphase... whatever going to bed.
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EBWOP: last post: if we follow that plan by sicklucker and both claims are legit, that is.
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Okay. Looking at that great EoD from D3:
sicklucker posted 50mins b4 deadline and 7mins after Night post. He kept his vote on bunnies. Could have been lurking.
boxerfred is really surprised/annoyed what is happening and decides to "not buy it" and keep his vote on bunnies.
batsnacks and plotspot actively push their vote on Sulfurus and switch of bunnies. Doesn't really explain the switch,
barakos sheeps batsnacks/plotspot.
ticktoc was not around.
plotspot switches from bunnies to Sulfurus while imploring the people to follow suit by citing the math stuff.
disformation: is also really surprised/annoyed by the shennanies and does a dumb decision while under time pressure.
batsnacks can you please explain why you started that shennanies stuff? sicklucker why didn't you try to keep peoples votes on bunnies if you thought she was the better lynch? As per:
On May 28 2015 21:42 sicklucker wrote: ok well i think ill do this.
##unvote ##vote bunnies
so my logic here is im a little suspect of bats claim now. But if bats is real theres certainly a god father in the game to help balance this absurd number of roles. I think that makes bunnie the god father.
I think bunnies is the safe lynch in both worlds.
Random thought. If barkos really was rbed that makes him close to confirmed town because he might have delivered the kp Or rather: what made you go from above opinion to:
On May 30 2015 06:00 sicklucker wrote: bah I could go either way probably sulp. Gonna read boxers filter now because I love shennanies
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I have a few things planned today as well. Will be around the ~3 hours before EoN. I will try to elaborate on the coinflip, because I will get asked about that D4 anyway (and you should ask me about that!). But not sure when I will get around to that. Probably later today.
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Sry, had some friends over yesterday that ended to stay way longer than expected/planned. Okay to get this out of the way first:
On May 30 2015 20:51 plotspot wrote: yeah I'm sorry I pressured you for this. Did you really flip a coin for that?
Yes.
Let me elaborate as to why the fuck I would do that:
- I was waffling between all D3.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 28 2015 21:51 disformation wrote: Shit. I'll have to think about this a lot when I get home later. ##unvote for now... On May 29 2015 06:09 disformation wrote:Yeah, I agree that we should stop talking about roles and claims that much and just lynch the scummiest person around. batsnacks whole D2 play makes basically no sense without him being the cop. ticktoc being the 2nd mason makes a lot of sense. plotspot is an unclaimed blue after all... A pity that a lot of people look so scummy. Let me waffle around for a bit... ##unvoteAh btw "good news": evening plans for tomorrow were cancelled so I'll be around for EoD and stuff tomorrow. I wish I could be of more help to town, but I am kinda fatigued atm. =/ This game... On May 30 2015 03:09 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 02:57 boxerfred wrote: Yeah, or you and sicklucker *rolls eyes*. You and me are so fucking interchangeable. Since I'm not maf, I'm re-picking up my vote on you. ##vote Disformation. Seriously you're not even trying to understand my reads regarding plots and 27nb, you just keep yolo'ing on people. I'm willing to bet money on you unvoting in a bit and follow the main train anyways. I said it before and I say it again, I do not like this play at all. You are awefully quick to pick up that vote after I mention your name. And I think I already unvoted. (Vote count please?) But stay with me: Without the blue claims and myself who is left: bunnies: who looks not good at all on D2 and D3, but has a green check. Not 100% comfortable to lynch a green check. Sulfurus: who looked really good D1, did nothing D2, looks at bit better as of today. boxerfred: Not really sold either way. sicklucker: Looks pretty good D3, but there are some D2 plays that confuse me and he hasn't even bothered to explain. Also ridic hard to read overall. disformation: yeah I am not the greatest, but in my mind it is obvious that I am at trying to solve this. I am also trying to show you WHY I am waffling that much. Also since sicklucker tried this already we know that I am not allowed to vote myself. So. 3+ people on that list are town making the game a lot harder and I am having a hard time deciding who on that list is the scummiest person around. On May 30 2015 05:01 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 04:54 batsnacks wrote: Scott posted more words about sulfur d1 than he did about anyone else. Is mafia roleblocker Scott really going to spend most of his words d1 talking about his scum mate?
Hmmmm Super glad to see that I am not the only one having trouble with this. btw.. ##unvoteNot going to waste my vote.
- I finally end up trying to decide between Sulfurus and 27ninjabunnies:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 30 2015 05:27 disformation wrote:Hmm... looking at Sulfurus and 27ninjabunnies reasons to vote each other: Sulfurus: + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2015 01:12 Sulfurus wrote:Ok so first off I see a couple of votes on Bunnies and I do very much agree that she has been scummy however remember that with no cop check there is 25%(1/8) of any one person being mafia excluding yourself but since there is only one mafia among the 7 possible green checks the cop check gives her a 14% to be mafia; that is an 11% difference so please don't dismiss the check. Which leads into my next point as you can read here and here not only do I believe Barakos is town, I think of him as my top town as in I won't even consider him being GF until potential lylo. On May 29 2015 12:38 Sulfurus wrote:@27nb How can you recommend me as a good cop check N1 when had me as town up untill D2 (which also happens to be the day I first put you on my scum list)? Honestly I am starting to really like the world where NinjaBunnies the GF attempted to pocket on D1 to get more votes for he mislynches. Looking at that post again she also recommended that Breske be checked even though she apperently townread him since D1. How was she planning on getting any information from that? On May 29 2015 16:49 Sulfurus wrote: If plots is mafia it will become apperant when he doesn't die in the night and Bunnies is more scummy anyway. ##Vote: 27NinjaBunnies27ninjabunnies: + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2015 11:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 06:31 plotspot wrote: bunnies you too, give us an idea who to vote between Sulfurus and boxerfred? I am also taking on ideas about lynching SL and dis, but if you don't have a strong case about them you don't need to present it, imo. That's just me personally, other persons will want them nevertheless, but I don't know who so they have to request it from you directly. So I like boxerfred more than Sulfurus The only thing I have on sulfurus as townie was the day 1 response to me, other than that, I haven't been impressed. Boxer has atleast talked, pushed reads, made cases evven if they werent right. He seems to come from a townier perspective than Sulfurus does. Id lynch dis over SL, but toher than my reasoning on day 1 i dont really have anything as why. I'm going to do some filter diving later on tonight. Hold me to it this time. I swear it will get done. On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote: So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.
I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.
##Vote:Sulfurus I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm. On May 30 2015 02:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 00:12 disformation wrote:On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote: So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.
I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.
##Vote:Sulfurus I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm. if you are town you are making this game a lot harder. that is not very original and looks a lot like sheeping to save your ass... pretty disappointed so far. do you have anything else? your play D1 was way better... getting the feeling you lost interest after scott flipped... but yeah i dont think we can lynch plotspot today, without finding something amazing... tunneltoc and waffleboy (thats me in case someone doesnt get it) best team :p also phone post. will be at home in 30min Lol, i dont care about the scott flip. Scott did nthing to help us find the other two mafia. We have no reads based on that except for voting and probably high bussing. Im going off of what i know. How is that not original? I was reading Sulfurus town day 1. Many people have been calling me scummy for this, but i am reevaluating my read. I gave what I have already. I said we dont lynch any of the claimed roles, and we dont lynch the greenchecks. The greencheck on the other person that was checked could very well be real, and i know the greencheck on me is real because i am town. By comparing these two: Sulfurus asks her a really good question. She doesn't answer that. Meanwhile 27ninjabunnies kinda sheeps the general points everyone raises about Sulfurus. And I kinda have a problem that she went from "best newbie ever" to "Day 1 was okay". Although she says that she needs to reevaluate him D2, so this kinda fits in her read progression. On May 30 2015 05:39 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 05:27 disformation wrote:Hmm... looking at Sulfurus and 27ninjabunnies reasons to vote each other: Sulfurus: + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2015 01:12 Sulfurus wrote:Ok so first off I see a couple of votes on Bunnies and I do very much agree that she has been scummy however remember that with no cop check there is 25%(1/8) of any one person being mafia excluding yourself but since there is only one mafia among the 7 possible green checks the cop check gives her a 14% to be mafia; that is an 11% difference so please don't dismiss the check. Which leads into my next point as you can read here and here not only do I believe Barakos is town, I think of him as my top town as in I won't even consider him being GF until potential lylo. On May 29 2015 12:38 Sulfurus wrote:@27nb How can you recommend me as a good cop check N1 when had me as town up untill D2 (which also happens to be the day I first put you on my scum list)? Honestly I am starting to really like the world where NinjaBunnies the GF attempted to pocket on D1 to get more votes for he mislynches. Looking at that post again she also recommended that Breske be checked even though she apperently townread him since D1. How was she planning on getting any information from that? On May 29 2015 16:49 Sulfurus wrote: If plots is mafia it will become apperant when he doesn't die in the night and Bunnies is more scummy anyway. ##Vote: 27NinjaBunnies27ninjabunnies: + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2015 11:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 06:31 plotspot wrote: bunnies you too, give us an idea who to vote between Sulfurus and boxerfred? I am also taking on ideas about lynching SL and dis, but if you don't have a strong case about them you don't need to present it, imo. That's just me personally, other persons will want them nevertheless, but I don't know who so they have to request it from you directly. So I like boxerfred more than Sulfurus The only thing I have on sulfurus as townie was the day 1 response to me, other than that, I haven't been impressed. Boxer has atleast talked, pushed reads, made cases evven if they werent right. He seems to come from a townier perspective than Sulfurus does. Id lynch dis over SL, but toher than my reasoning on day 1 i dont really have anything as why. I'm going to do some filter diving later on tonight. Hold me to it this time. I swear it will get done. On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote: So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.
I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.
##Vote:Sulfurus I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm. On May 30 2015 02:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 00:12 disformation wrote:On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote: So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.
I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.
##Vote:Sulfurus I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm. if you are town you are making this game a lot harder. that is not very original and looks a lot like sheeping to save your ass... pretty disappointed so far. do you have anything else? your play D1 was way better... getting the feeling you lost interest after scott flipped... but yeah i dont think we can lynch plotspot today, without finding something amazing... tunneltoc and waffleboy (thats me in case someone doesnt get it) best team :p also phone post. will be at home in 30min Lol, i dont care about the scott flip. Scott did nthing to help us find the other two mafia. We have no reads based on that except for voting and probably high bussing. Im going off of what i know. How is that not original? I was reading Sulfurus town day 1. Many people have been calling me scummy for this, but i am reevaluating my read. I gave what I have already. I said we dont lynch any of the claimed roles, and we dont lynch the greenchecks. The greencheck on the other person that was checked could very well be real, and i know the greencheck on me is real because i am town. By comparing these two: Sulfurus asks her a really good question. She doesn't answer that. Meanwhile 27ninjabunnies kinda sheeps the general points everyone raises about Sulfurus. And I kinda have a problem that she went from "best newbie ever" to "Day 1 was okay". Although she says that she needs to reevaluate him D2, so this kinda fits in her read progression. After rereading the conclusion: 27ninjabunnies looks straight up more scummy her. I hesitated voting her because the math suggests this might be a bad idea. Thought about it for a second and reconsidered. How is lynching the scummiest person around a bad idea? ##vote 27ninjabunniesThis time for real and I want to be really amazed before I unvote this time. sry for waffling around this much town.
- So at this point bunnies is my #1 scum read and Sulfurus my #2 scum read.
- Then the shennanies start and plotspot reminds me of just how low the chance is that bunnies is GF:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 30 2015 06:53 plotspot wrote: Bunnies is 80% town with the check. 80%. my math agrees: On May 30 2015 04:50 disformation wrote: (ignoring reads and meta): If there is a GF and the 3 blues are legit bunnies is still 5/6 town. That is like 83,33%. Or did I miss something?
- The T-5 Vote Count arrives:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 30 2015 06:55 -Celestial- wrote:T-minus FIVE MINUTES~ Vote Count ~ 27ninjabunnies (4) : Tictock (X), sicklucker, Tictock (X), Sulfurus, batsnacks (X), disformation (X), disformation, Barakos (X), boxerfredSulfurus (4) : batsnacks (X), Barakos (X), sicklucker (X), disformation (X), plotspot, Barakos (X), 27ninjabunnies, batsnacks, Barakosplotspot (1) : Tictock (X), Barakos (X), disformation (X), Tictock (X), boxerfred (X), Tictockboxerfred (0) : disformation (X)disformation (0) : boxerfred (X), boxerfred (X)no-lynch (0) : plotspot (X) Not voting (0) : Currently, 27ninjabunnies is set to be lynched! The day phase will end at Friday, May 29 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES FROM THIS POST. remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in this thread. If you see any vote out of place, scream your head off and maybe someone will notice.
- It is dead even, with bunnies being lynched. I feel like I have to make a decision now, with not much time left on the clock. I start to panic and ask myself "what am I doing lynching a person that is like 83% town? So I snap and throw a coin. Sry, Sulf.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 30 2015 06:57 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2015 06:56 plotspot wrote:On May 30 2015 06:54 disformation wrote:On May 30 2015 06:53 plotspot wrote: Bunnies is 80% town with the check. 80%. She is also the scummiest person around? yes, but it's just math the safe to play like that. It's just bunnies personality why she feels scummy. I'd be like scummy too when you read my filters. But facts are just facts. I flipped a fucking coin for this. ##unvote ##vote Sulfurus
Not happy with my "play" this game and I can see why people would like to lynch me.
Will look at boxerfred, 27ninjabunnies and sicklucker (that damn 20 pages filter...) some more. Hopefully I'll find something.
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On May 31 2015 09:20 27ninjabunnies wrote: Ticktock, your thinking was quite along with mine on plots being a mafia rb. I'd like to discuss more about your thinking on this later, after i read your 3 massive posts.
Can you please stop adding fuel to the fire? Town loses a lot of power if these two are just going at each other all day.
We can still easily deal with both and win after next night imo.
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EBWOP: deal with plotspot and barakos I mean, obv. :p
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Looking at the D2 read progression of boxerfred again I found this:
- votes sicklucker:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 08:02 boxerfred wrote:I think I'll take breshke, batsnacks and tictocs as masons, at least two of them are. Their thoughts and votes seem to go down the same road most of the time. I read a lot of the sicklucker stuff by now but need to dive in deep into the last ~5 pages since I returned home not too long ago and am going to sleep after this post. I'm not too sure if I like the bunnies train since I'm still on the "dis is leaning towards sk" road. Also, I don't get too many of sicklucker's posts, they are kind of confusing and they imply that one needs to be more experienced to fully understand those short sentences in depth. Skimming through disinfo's posts, I don't really see a point from which I would start a train on him. I might be wrong with my lean on him. However, I'd like to clearly know what he thinks about pretty much everyone - especially where he would locate scum members and SK. As I can see from celestial's post, he's currently all about jumping trains, matching the pattern of jumping the scott train before: first, he goes for sicklucker, being the 3rd vote at this point (I did not compare timestamps, so it might be the second vote, note that please!). Then, he changes his vote, being the 4th to jump bunnies. That is not really matching his gameplay of putting pressure on people until a train is started on them. For reference, final vote count of day 1: Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 07:04 cakepie wrote:~ Final Vote Count ~ scott31337 (6) : Rels, batsnacks (X), Tictock (X), Breshke, sicklucker, batsnacks, boxerfred, disformationdisformation (3) : Barakos, Breshke (X), 27ninjabunnies, plotspotplotspot (1) : Bill Murray, Tictock (X)27ninjabunnies (1) : Bill Murray (X), Tictockbatsnacks (1) : sicklucker (X), SulfurusBill Murray (0) : Tictock (X), Sulfurus (X), Rels (X), boxerfred (X)boxerfred (0) : Rels (X)Breshke (0) : Sulfurus (X)sicklucker (0) : Breshke (X), batsnacks (X), Bill Murray (X), batsnacks (X)Sulfurus (0) : disformation (X) Not voting (1) : scott31337 Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched! + Show Spoiler [Details] + Going for Sulfuros first, then jumping a train that will most likely kill the guy, thus saving his vote. I'd like to point out that initially, batsnacks and tictoc voted the same on scott rather early, which strengthens my mason theory, putting Breshke on a neutral lean for me. However, both batsnacks and Breshke have a town read for me if I'm right. Coming to a conclusion of my theories, I'd say we have to search for scum members among sulfurus, bill murray and maybe sicklucker (mentioning him since I can see why he's being blamed but I think his posts make sense (if I understand them correctly) and bunnies (for named reasons). I'd locate the SK at disinfo and maybe SL. It's all too wonky at this point. I delayed my vote for a long time last day already, but this time, I'm putting my vote on sicklucker rather early. He's jumping people rather often, voting batsnacks, BM and then bunnies, following batsnacks who he voted upon before. That's three guys, with him, four. Four in a span of a few hours? I take that as a vote that is cast knowing the alignment of at least one of the three guys he voted upon. Given that he unvoted two times, it might very well be that he's a scum member knowing about the identity of a fellow scum member. Which would, following my mason theory, point to bill murray being scum. Not sure how bullet proof that theory is, please fire at it to see how long it holds. ##vote sicklucker On May 26 2015 08:06 boxerfred wrote: formatting done right this time: ##vote sicklucker
- Explains his vote here: (note that he has a strong scum read on sicklucker, bolded by me):
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 17:56 boxerfred wrote:@Breshke Show nested quote + "It's all too wonky at this point. I delayed my vote for a long time last day already, but this time, I'm putting my vote on sicklucker rather early. He's jumping people rather often, voting batsnacks, BM and then bunnies, following batsnacks who he voted upon before. That's three guys, with him, four. Four in a span of a few hours? I take that as a vote that is cast knowing the alignment of at least one of the three guys he voted upon. Given that he unvoted two times, it might very well be that he's a scum member knowing about the identity of a fellow scum member. Which would, following my mason theory, point to bill murray being scum."
BF when you are around I want to talk to you about this bolded paragraph. Why do you think SL changing his votes that much means he msut know one of the peopels allighnments that he voted? Why do you think it is scummy/towny about him changing his vote that much. I think that one goal of the mafia is to confuse people the best they can, keeping everyone unsure about the aligment of others. Since they are the ones that do not care as much for exact roles, they don't really care who to vote on on day 1. I'm playing advocatus diaboli now because right now, I'm thinking "Wait, but poking as many people as possible is a good thing since it makes them talk about who they are". However, this is not what SL did. While there are like 12 people or so in this game, he limited his seemingly random votes to three people. I can see a fake vote there: "I'll vote on my ally so I can bring that up in later days". I don't think that this theory is enough to clearly pin sicklucker into a scum role. But his overall posts are more often than not oneliners, trolly, and he's really switching his commitment very often. Disinfo inspired me to analyze the posting pattern (because he analyzed my own posting pattern day 0) and SL really does not commit to longer posts that he can be nailed upon. Why is that? I think the best way to convince people that you actually have a town alignment is to explain your thoughts as well as possible. He does not. I feel like in the following post, he broke that pattern of confusion and "not-really-answering-stuff": Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 09:47 sicklucker wrote: anyway were not voting between me (11 page filter lol) and bunnies.Presurin bunnies is fine she will get out of it if shes town. The main scum against her is her vote which barakos apparently tell us ment nothing! he seems to know alot about whats going on in the mafia qt
but we have to presure these 2 1 page filter new players too or this game will never go anywhere.
Were not voting me today you baddies He clearly says "she'll get out of it if she's town" - why doesn't he increase the pressure being put on bunnies? Why doesn't he jump the train on bunnies (since that, to me, is the obvious, easy and bulletproof solution to not get his own train going faster). Last, but not least, there's this post from disinformation: Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 08:20 disformation wrote:On May 25 2015 08:04 sicklucker wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2015 23:06 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 20:38 plotspot wrote: hi guys, I've reached p23. p24 was where I first published my statistics. EoD was is p30, so I think I will take this too before I post a summary, as well as my reads on the remaining players for D1. Great, looking forward to that. Looking at the votes on scott: rels: pressures all the people with low/zero posts. did put a pressure vote on scott for basically only having 1-2 meh posts. scott tries to get rels off him, by saying he likes rels a lot. rels didn't seem impressed. scott never returns, so rels just keeps his vote on him. breskhe: also voting for doing jack. but also backs it up with a meta read. Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 12:21 Breshke wrote: ##Vote scott31337
I agree scott needs to lift his game. So does Bill murray to a degree both these people feel like coinflips at the moment. Like especially scott from just from looking at the three other games he has played seemed to have achieved the longest filter in his 1 town game even though he was only alive for one day compared to his scum games where he survived to D3 yet had a smaller filter. Oh and he also calls out scott earlier: Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 17:09 Breshke wrote:I also kind of don't like this On May 22 2015 12:00 scott31337 wrote:On May 22 2015 11:49 plotspot wrote: oh lawl game has started, but I have to go to sleep now, see you tomorrow *celebrate good times come on* What kind of post is this? You weren't even able to post any original thoughts before you left? When scott leaves right after it after having only one other post. Feels scummy Liking breshke a lot looking at this. sicklucker: votes batsnacks, quickly drops that vote. Either a joke vote, or realizing that this wagon won't go anywhere? Looks at the two available wagons, realizes that scott looks worse than me, throws his vote on him. Says N1 that he would have tried to get me lynched instead of scott, if he had been around EoD1. Not sure what to make of him atm. =/ batsnacks: had an earlier vote on scott, after looking at bunnies, sulf and scott. decided to vote scott out of that bunch. Then switches to sicklucker with that one super irritating post. TBH I was thinking batsnacks and sicklucker were just trolling each other there. But sicklucker is still going on about that? Well, batsnacks drops this vote on sicklucker super fast and votes scott with: Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 20:14 batsnacks wrote: In all seriousness I can't vote SL or anyone for that matter over scott if he's not going to post before deadline. Even what he has is scummy. Since this aligns with his previous vote/read and the sicklucker vote was just a troll, I think this looks legit. boxerfred: annouces that he will vote for an inactive person with: Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 17:03 boxerfred wrote: I think I'll vote for whoever is really inactive. That's like the safest way to not lose someone who's really valuable. goes ahead and votes scott: Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 21:41 boxerfred wrote: Okay. So ##vote scott31337 it is. I'll try to chime in before EOD to check if he posted something, however, I won't have the time to post for the next 6-8 hours. gonna be close. Expresses some doubts here: Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 06:47 boxerfred wrote: wow back just in time. so we still coinflip on scott - i don't like this since it's really ruining the game. Is that where modkills apply? So... he goes from "I'll vote for whoever is really inactiv", which can imply "regardless of alignment" to "oh wow I really don't like to coinflip on the most inactive person ever." Not really liking this. boxerfred, I would love to explain your train of thought on this. If someone arrives at other conclusions from the votes, I would be down to talk about that. Will do some chores now so: me unvoting bats is non alignment related. I relized he was not gonna get any votes and my vote was wasted. so i unvote their as town or mafia because its a wasted vote. I said I was considering voting you did I ever tho? no because before I voted you I read your filter and decided you were not a great vote and then I lynched scum. Yes that part is pretty clear to me. Was wondering about: On May 24 2015 19:15 sicklucker wrote: The standard play is not to lynch people who have not voted because their getting mod killed anyway. We got lucky I was bizzy at deadline and didnt get the lynch on disinfo because that would have been the smarter play not knowing scot was mafia Nobody knew that scott would't try to get a last minute vote off. On May 25 2015 08:07 sicklucker wrote: If im mafia whos my partner here? everyones voted me at some point of the game now.
Me and bunnies would not be that obv.
I sapose I could be with bm? why dont you just vote him first Possible that I was trying to hard to find a connection between my two top scum reads. Rels and Breshke have made pretty compelling cases on you. Your answers so far weren't really satisfying. Do you want to try again? + Show Spoiler +On May 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:Hello, this is a message for the potentiel vig in this game. I want you to consider a sicklucker shot tonight. Please read this post and think about it. First please read Breshke post here or in spoiler: + Show Spoiler +On May 24 2015 14:07 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 13:14 sicklucker wrote: one of bunnies or disinfo are scum
probably disinfo Has a shitty push on disinfo doesn't explain anything or put any effort into getting him lynched just faking suspicion to seem town. Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 20:16 sicklucker wrote: ##unvote ##vote scott
Ya whatever. On a quick reread disinfo filter is not really bad. No way we cant kill scott here. I think a policy lynch is fine I have no high percentage flips in my mind Backs of his shitty read again with no reasoning when wagon seems to be going against his partner. Starts bussing to get towncred. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 05:46 sicklucker wrote: Ok i just read rels filter. I think he flips scum a bit more then scott I wouldnt mind lynching him. Hard to explian call it a feelin Tries to push rels AGAIN with no reasoning. Does not put any effort into getting rels lynched instead of scott even though scott is just a policy lynch for him and rels he genuinely thinks is scum. SL is not trying to work out the game he mainly just posts to post. Probably started bussing his partner then tried to see if he could start a different wagon. When noone started biting he just drops it. We are lynching SL tomorrow. If that doesn't convince you I will take what I said about him here and add to it. First reasonIn a few of his posts he either says he's town or gives argument to why someone should read him town. Apparently SL is a good player, so that could be straight up subtile manipulation. It is the tactics from commercials; one can only see something so many times before one starts thinking it's true, not knowing where the thought came by. I'm talking about these posts: + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2015 07:22 sicklucker wrote: disinfo you gonna correctly read me town again? On May 22 2015 09:21 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote: It also says the all Qts were active in the like initial start of game post.
I'm not going to read you for a dumbbell SL I'm going to read you on giving nonsensical town reads and not thinking critically about the game well you should because thats how you read me town On May 22 2015 09:49 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 09:30 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 09:22 sicklucker wrote:On May 22 2015 09:05 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote: @tictok what if you're mafia trying to pocket me with your overtly friendly wiles? I'm onto you mister you best be scared.
Let's all vote SL though. I feel like town SL has close to zero chance of being lynched because he'd never let that happen. Putting pressure on SL and breshke's reads can only lead to good things.
##vote: sicklucker I really like this post and not even because it's telling people to vote SL the thought process is spot on. its really nothing special. And im already playing and trying so its pretty pointless Trying? Saying your town for dumbtelling when its completly within your ability to do it as scum and your only read being that im scum for not calling you town for said dumbtell. I don't call that trying. I get it is early but do you have opinions on anyone? What do you think of disinfo now that the QT thing has been corrected? town points for not realizing their was a scum qt up for 24 hours like any town should On May 22 2015 11:22 sicklucker wrote: oh I totally took that post out of context hes asking me a qeustion pretty poor writinng . Oh well easy to read me town off that On May 22 2015 11:37 sicklucker wrote: im so town it hurts On May 24 2015 07:14 sicklucker wrote: Confirmed not veg dont shoot me mafia. Out for the night in a few On May 24 2015 15:42 sicklucker wrote: infact I was the hammer of the mafia and batsnackss followed me. I the town hero come at me Second reasonShow nested quote +On May 22 2015 08:33 Tictock wrote: @Breshke
Humm you have a point. He did post an handful of stuff pretty fast and then bounce. Seems to be have just made a weak townread and then the weak towny post about not confusing us newbies.
Last game when he was town he never gave a shit about confusing us newbies. Now he's making this post defending newbies and town reading Dis, one of the newbies who was also in the last game with us. This does seem like he's scum motivated. Straigth up this. I read student IX game, and SL was town and didn't give a shit about newbies. Third reasonHe says that BM is a lynch bait, but says this: Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 13:27 sicklucker wrote: bill murray is lynch bait.
definition - a guy who always looks scummy and gets lynched
not saying dont lynch him but keep that in mind That could be read as "lynch him if you want, when he flips green i'm going to be right". Seems to me like he almost want BM to be lynched without him on the train. Forth reasonUntil late in the last day he didn't vote scott and tried to push other people with no arguments. Really no arguments, just "I'm suspicious of XXX". Even after he voted scott, he still tried to push subtily other people without voting for them. I will list the posts where he does that. I will not post what he said on batsnacks because he actually made a case on him for once. + Show Spoiler +On May 23 2015 11:50 sicklucker wrote: i think disinfo could be scum On May 23 2015 13:14 sicklucker wrote: one of bunnies or disinfo are scum
probably disinfo On May 23 2015 13:16 sicklucker wrote: bats disinfo or bunnies + one of bm or the new guys I havent bother to read at all outside of sulp
Can we just vote bats your townread on him makes no sense breske On May 24 2015 05:46 sicklucker wrote: Ok i just read rels filter. I think he flips scum a bit more then scott I wouldnt mind lynching him. Hard to explian call it a feelin Fifth reasonLying. On May 24 2015 15:36 sicklucker wrote: rels was my lynch bro No I wasn't. Batsnacks then scott was your lynch. Aaaaaand that's it. sicklucker don't add anything useful, except one post: the one on batsnacks which amazingly I liked. Plus, apparently he plays like that every game, so no one can read him for sure. He really put chaos in the thread with how he posted: for example his defense post just above mine is only a gif. What do you do with people hard to read, scummy, and that does things that cause chaos ? That's right. You vigi'd them. Even if he turns out to be town, that will be less confusion on the thread. So vig, if you even exist in this setup and have not made your mind about shooting, shoot SL. On May 24 2015 17:58 Rels wrote:Two others point on SL: Sixth reasonShow nested quote +On May 24 2015 15:43 sicklucker wrote: im vulnerable tictock have any questions for me? Then TT post some questions, and SL doesn't answer. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 15:45 Tictock wrote: Already asked dude, though I'd also like to know your thoughts on 27nb and BM.
Off to play games, bbl. Seventh reasonShow nested quote +On May 24 2015 15:34 sicklucker wrote:On May 24 2015 08:11 Rels wrote:On May 24 2015 08:03 disformation wrote: Well. 1/3 mafia down. Do we have confirmation it is 3 mafia ? I mean, that's what I assume too, but is it written anywhere ? yes its going to always be 3 mafia in 13 player format but if theirs a sk then 2? im not getting many mafia reads so thats possible. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 15:47 Breshke wrote:On May 24 2015 15:34 sicklucker wrote:On May 24 2015 08:11 Rels wrote:On May 24 2015 08:03 disformation wrote: Well. 1/3 mafia down. Do we have confirmation it is 3 mafia ? I mean, that's what I assume too, but is it written anywhere ? yes its going to always be 3 mafia in 13 player format but if theirs a sk then 2? im not getting many mafia reads so thats possible. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafiaYou were in this game SL and i kno you remember it because its one of the ones you love to mention so much because its the first one i got vig shot in. It had 3 mafia and an SK in a 13 player setup. Getting super tired. Not sure how long I'll be available. This post is like the most certain thing we have IMHO, since we know ( ) by now that Rels is town. His case towards SL was no bullshit to cover something. Considering that Rels's post was originally inspired by Breshke's post, I will put Breshke on a clear town lean for me now. Shady people: - sicklucker (strong scum read by now) - bunnies (scum read thus far, want to hear her answers to raised questions) - that guy whose name I already forgot because he types so seldomly (sulfuras) - disinformation (weak sk read by now, close to a null read) Null reads: - bill murray rest appears to be townies. I'd say we lynch SL, check on bunnies and vigishoot dis. However, I'd like to put more pressure on dis because I'm really not too sure of his alignment by now. The guy's way too polite . If I forget to answer any raised questions, remind me. I'm at work and.. well it's awkward .
- says he likes barakos case on sicklucker:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 19:59 boxerfred wrote: Didn't see Barakos' post when I posted. Solid stuff on SL. Not really reconsidering my vote (since I initially put in on him for a scum read). Still interested in hearing Tictock reply to me.
- Unvotes sicklucker because there is no SK in the game... didn't he just have a huge scum read on him? oO
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 23:02 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 22:31 Barakos wrote:On May 26 2015 22:20 boxerfred wrote: This game took a turn for the worse by now, arguing whether a role is in or not should not be an issue IMHO. As batsnacks and I said - stop talking about sk please and focus on important stuff. Well if SL is SK and we all agree on "there is no SK" it wouldn't be the most intelligent move to kill someone next night, would it? So we can all just vote bunnies now. ##unvote ##vote 27ninjabunnies
That is a pretty big jump/gap in his read progression for me. Not only that, he allows proceeds to vote for the same person as the guy he just had a huge scum read on. If you look at the votes D2, the changes his vote to bunnies right after sicklucker votes for her.
- Later he says he can't read/decide on sicklucker and me:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2015 22:14 boxerfred wrote: By now, I have no idea where I should lean disinformation and SL. Simply can't tell. The SK may or may not be in thing confused me so badly, a whole train of thoughts for me was lost.
- Just to say 27ninjabunnies, sicklucker and me are probably scum (without stating reasons), around 30minutes later again:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2015 22:41 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 22:40 boxerfred wrote:On May 27 2015 22:23 Tictock wrote: @BF The whole SK thing was some tinfoil hat theory that I liked too much and took seriously. I suggest we go back to ignoring it until we at least find more scum.
I get your thinking on Dis, but to me that's just a sign on him being a new player and not being sure of his own reads. You could probably make this argument about me, but I like pushing what I see pretty hard.
Lets for a moment put aside our thoughts about Dis and SL.
Who are you fairly confident is town? Where do you think we should look for scum in our shortening list of players? I wouldn't put that aside as fast as you do it. Changing a posting pattern is a serious thing. I get your "he's new" approach but I think you forget that dis is very conscious of posting patterns, he mentioned my pattern in a post. He must know that posting patterns are quite telly and he even took it in account when he was pushing me. So I at least want to know why his pattern changed so much. Any info, disinfo? I am fairly confident that Breshke is town. Can't tell for sure of course but his posts are very reasonable. He's taking his time to argue and he's very fair towards people, decently pushing at the same time though. I held batsnacks for town (also because he read me town basically all the time) but that might just be him pocketing me. I don't have a read on you, tictock, and feel like you should be under some more pressure or at least give some info on what your current reads are, now that BM flipped coin. I think putting SL aside at least until EoN is a good thing. We have no new clues thus far and he's fairly active, arguing in a weird but relatively reasonal way. Seems to have stopped yolo'ing. When it comes to scum, I'm still holding the 27nb and SL torch, throwing a bit of disinfo into it.
- Says he is still riding the disformation/bunnies/plotspot train... where/why sicklucker dropped off that list, isn't clear for me from reading his filter...
+ Show Spoiler +On May 29 2015 07:33 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 07:11 Tictock wrote: I'm a little on the fence about BF's rapid fire posting on page 83. There is a lot of stuff being said but I'm not sure how many real points of deeper thought I can see, it's more like hes just reacting. That's NAI, I'm just having a hard time reading through it kus it's a bit all over the place.
@ BF You mention you brought up questions you wanted answered. I feel like i lost them in your like 20 post spam. Can you restate please?
I also want to remind you that while i for a moment considered you and plots as potential scum team, I dismissed it the next post. It was only based on what plots has said, and if he is scum it could have been a move to push you into the limelight after he gets lynched.
I'd also like you to critically look at the 3 claims made today, you've been wanting to do roles stuff for the past few phases, now is your chance. Look through each claim and tell me what makes you think the claim could be legit and what could not be legit. If you need to get more info to reach a conclusion, now is the time to ask. Questions: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=83#1642http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=83#1654http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=83#1652Regarding the reminder: I'm still riding the bunnies/disinformation/plotspots train. I won't get off that train easily. Regarding the three claims: mason claim feels genuine and true, no logical flaws, everything's fine. Cop claim makes sense, too. Good calls, not liking the scum read on Sulfuras but hey that's how it is. The town checks on bunnies and barakos are confusing but would be easily explained with a GF. Can't see a scum lean in Barakos, that would leave it to bunnies. The Plotspots claim is weak because Barakos revealed that he was blocked before plots revealed his role. Then, plots went full yolo. So: strong claim on mason (which I support), okay(tendence to strong) claim on cop, weak claim on RB. I note by now that a lurky tactic is far better then really explaining what you are thinking. Dis, bunnies, barakos and sulf do a great job with that thus far.
Also besides his stuff on me he isn't pushing/invested in his lynches and seems to be rather sheepy towards the end of D2 and D3. Together with the gaps/jumps in his reads and that his reasons for reads are hard to follow, I think he looks rather bad.
Will wade through the swamp that is sicklucker's filter next.
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On June 01 2015 03:17 Tictock wrote: @ Dis Do you really think I'm just tunneled here? My case has nothing of value?
I feel like I'm talking to people with hands over their ears.
*sigh* okay. I am really really unhappy about the batsnacks check. Can't understand why sicklucker and barakos are saying the check was okay. batsnacks was like 110% legit to me. That check ended up stalling his claim for another day, which is exactly what mafia would have wanted . But. If we lynch him and he is town RB, we have a super high chance to lose the game. Mafia just shoots you and then we have to basically roll a dice between the remaining people, because we have no information. Hell barakos could still be the GF, for all we know.
Second problem: Barakos filter looks really town to me. And since everything rides on the theory that these two are scum together, I don't see it.
If plotspot doesn't get NK next night or manages to roleblock the dying person again: sure let us lynch him. But I basically see no reason to lynch him today.
And I do think that you focusing so hard on this theory does hurt town.
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On June 01 2015 04:00 Tictock wrote:Why I read everyone else town. Spoilerd kus I think we should be focused on the plots & Bara scum team. + Show Spoiler +27nb is godawful town. She keeps saying she will read stuff but doesn't. Clearly didn't think ahead and plan to put real time into this game. I find her to be almost exactly the same as BM. Bats said it best though... On May 30 2015 06:58 batsnacks wrote: shes here and doesn't give a shit. Mafia would give a shit. SL is a stubborn mule, and for how many games he likes to claim he's played.. he's still a shit mafia player. He wont look past his own ego, and is the 3rd vet this game to clearly not be reading. Dis is trying, hes a newbie who wants to do some good this game. His filter shows that he is willing to push people he thinks are scum till it is proven otherwise. BF very similar to Dis. Has his own ideas he wants to explore and tries to push them. Tbh I haven't filter dived him in awhile but he seems more willing to keep an open mind than most. Anyone else notice plots and Bara haven't shown much interest in casing scum today? They can't afford to start wagons now kus they don't know who they need on their side tomorrow. That's why they started to sheep town on the votes D3 they just want to blend as much as they can now.
sicklucker could still be a mastmind mafia on his A game. batsnacks hinted a few times that sicklucker would be capable of doing that. Just did a case on boxerfred, what do you think of it?
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But to be fair I still want plotspot to answer:
On May 31 2015 07:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote: and SL kinda make sense, he pointed out I should look at the interactions at 10 minutes before the EoD3. in the last 10 min Bats switches his vote on bunnies saying that if she was Mafia she would care, and since Sulfurus was there and cared, he thought Sulfurus was mafia. Then bunnies show up and he is totally caught by surprise, maybe because they said in their Scum QT that she should just afk and let him handle the rest? That was my thoughts, when I started to see what SL meant. Okay, now that bats has flipped as cop, what is your read on me? You know im not mafia with bats who has a greencheck on me. Do you think that interaction was based on an actuall read on me as town, or do you still view me as possible mafia? I need to know your thoughts on this.
On May 31 2015 18:23 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 18:22 plotspot wrote:On May 31 2015 18:17 Tictock wrote: Also Plots
Why did you block Bara N2?
Why did you think he was Mafia? I told you before, I read the game he posted where he was mafia, and I thought my read about him before was wrong. He posted a game where he played Mafia and you thought there were similarities? Which ones? Do go on...
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Uh I might actually need to reread Barakos filter. Dude has literally no reads/good reasons for his votes anywhere. Only did a case on me D1 and a case on sicklucker D2. Other things are just going back and forth on bunnies and sheeping batsnacks. He was active quite a bit in that ticktoc vs plotspot battle, which makes him look really good. I also skimmed the old game he linked and he had a very strong play in this. (and was mafia)
@Barakos: why am I your #1 scum read? Your D1 case on me was based on like page 1 of my filter. Otherwise you only briefly mention me now and then again. Your filter is like devoid of me.
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EBWOP: Devoid of any real reads or cases that is?
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Okay, I hope you can contribute a bit more before EoD, though. I will wait to see what you, bunnies and boxerfred will bring to the table this night/tomorrow. Will be home from work ~7h before EoD. Might lurk a bit at work though. If anyone has questions for me, feel free to ask. Will be around for another hour now.
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I get that you were kinda busy, but did you have any success with:
On May 31 2015 07:52 27ninjabunnies wrote: I think tonight we need to focus on reading between SL/ dis/ and BF. All three i will filter later on. ?
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His delay in claiming that he was roleblocked could also mean he was talking about it in mafia qt... And I noticed the lack of reads/read progression, too: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=109#2162
So yeah, he might just be mafia (with the last one being sicklucker or boxerfred, if plotspot is the town rb indeed). Still he has a green check... so I am not sure if I would want to lynch him. On the other hand my #3 lynch also has a green check...
To clarify: #1 will be between barakos and boxerfred depending on their answers. #3 is currently still 27ninjabunnies. I get a bunch more of frustrated/annoyed town feeling of her D4, but she still hasn't contributed much... though people are not answering her questions, so I don't really want to lynch her asap. #4 is sicklucker. who feels a bit lazy and lurky to me. but his D3 and D4 filter looks really town to me...
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The super low levels of activity this D4 are also really alarming. Town seems to be either really frustrated or really lazy. Maybe both. Which makes this even easier for mafia. Me no like.
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On June 01 2015 20:49 Barakos wrote: So - in case bunnies is red, bf is most likely green. If she flips green, then well... shit. Votes mean nothing, since then both D2 and D3 were lynches between two townies and mafia couldn't care less, who to vote.
Was thinking about that a bit, too. The same would apply to sicklucker. Which would mean 27ninjabunnies and me would be the mafia team. Which is unfortunately impossible as my role pm says otherwise. So it is also very possible that one of these two (sicklucker, boxerfred) was trying to bus bunnies for town cred in case she gets lynched. So that is a bit WIFOM.
On June 01 2015 20:49 Barakos wrote: Last thing - on sl: I haven't reread sls filter indepth (too long for reading it at work). I think he is the worst lynch today, but in case that bunnies flips green, the scum-team imho is SL + disfo. His posting has decreased significnatly since breshke is dead (bats said, he posts less, once he feels safe) and mostly all of his reasons, why he calls himself confirmed town are weak at best (scotts filter, the votes on scott, etc...) but this is only in case bunnies flips green today.
As explained above sicklucker+27ninjabunnies could also be a thing. But unflipped associations are not really helpful right now.
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On June 02 2015 00:40 27ninjabunnies wrote: So.
By POE- mafia are BF and SL.
I think those would be great lynches.
I also really want to sheep ticktock and vote plots... because fuck plots for making absolutely horrible roleblocks.
I kinda agree. With sicklucker I have the problem that the only things I have on him is that he seems super lazy/lurky as of now. And basically him dropping from sight on D2 after he was out of danger being lynched... not a real case more of a feeling and stuff.
I made a short case on boxerfred a few pages ago, everybody ignored. If you want to take a look: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=108#2148 and let me know what you think.
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I also read you a lot more town as of now, so my prime suspects are boxerfred, sicklucker and barakos. Though I still have a problem with voting for the green check. -.-
Actually... let me go ahead and:
##vote boxerfred
Unless he is able to give good answers to the questions I raised in my case on him.
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okay ticktoc, let me try once more. I respect you for sticking to your reads that much. As most of you know, I have a bit of trouble with that. And yes, if you are right town wins, right of the bat. BUT! It is a high risk, high reward play. Because your two suspects happen to be a uncc'ed blue and a green check with a rb in a night where someone died. Are they suspicious? Yes. Could they be the mafia? Yes. Has town a huge problem if you are wrong? Yes.
And there is my problem with that play.
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If plotspot doesn't die this night and/or manages to mess up the rb I am insta voting him D5.
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On June 02 2015 01:05 Tictock wrote: Tomorrow might be 2 late
Imagine D5 the people left are Dis, BF, SL, Plots and Bara.
If I'm right, and SL keeps being obstinate with his weak reads on Bara and Plots, then I see Mafia having a free win tomorrow.
So you are basically saying that if we don't lynch Barakos or plotspot today we lose anyway?
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Okay, I am rereading your case now. Very good that you reposted everything in one post. Need to verify some things with plots filter so it might take a while. I'll also make & eat dinner soon, so I don't know if I can manage that until you have to leave. Will you be around for EoD?
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On June 02 2015 03:22 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2015 03:17 27ninjabunnies wrote: So you think that both mafia jumped on the bw for Scott?
I mentioned atleast one mafia could have been on the scott vote, and if im not mistaken didn't you say that its unlikely?
Why does it seem like you are just trying to get a mislynch some where? If I needed a "mislynch" why would I have to work for it? boxerfreds already getting lynched so why would I bring this up now. I was about to vote you before I saw this connection
I am a bit tired, so correct me if I am failing at reading... but are you calling boxerfred a misslynch by implication here? I though boxerfred and me were supposed to be mafia not misslynches?
Will be really back after dinner, so brb.
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On June 02 2015 03:26 sicklucker wrote: My thought process is everyone but you and those two are town. And those two voted together at the same time as a mafia would vote. Its very simple but I dont need alot when I already narrowed it down to 3 people .Simply answers simple people
TBH I am currently thinking of a very similiar scenario, but with you and boxerfred... wait. Could it be that boxerfred and barakos are our mafia team? Like barakos never did a read on boxerfred? I just skimmed his filter, but I didn't see a solid read on boxerfred... Look at this:
On June 01 2015 20:49 Barakos wrote: some things I'd like to add, since I'm going to be on the road to my parents (my fathers birthday tomorrow) this afternoon and don't know, if I'll make it in time to write all this down before eod/eon and well - maybe I get lynched or killed.(I will not fight that lynch... if there are enough people, who think I'm a good lynch, then fine. have it your way, I'll be delighted to see tictock fall off his high horse, he thinks he is riding).
I reread 27nb, bf and disfo. 27nb seems the least involved and doesn't seem to be following the thread unless she needs to. I highly prefer her as lynch today before the other two. In case she flips red, I think there is a connection between her and disfo. Disfo made the case on her D1 at a time, where she had enough time to defend. They voted each other from time to time but in the end disfos vote never was on her at EoD, although he twice had the chance to be the vote, that makes the difference. So this is something one has to look at, if she flips red. An other thing, that happens, if she flips red, is that bf is cleared in my opinion, because both D2 and D3 he was on bunnies, although it was both times a close vote. Especially D3 he could have easily switched with the claimed cop but he didn't. So - in case bunnies is red, bf is most likely green. If she flips green, then well... shit. Votes mean nothing, since then both D2 and D3 were lynches between two townies and mafia couldn't care less, who to vote.
An other thing I would like to say: In case I get lynched, I want you all to make as much fun of TT as you can. His read on plots and me is bad and you should make him feel bad. Still, TT is the 2nd mason and therefore confirmed town... so make fun of him, but don't vote him. Mafia probably won't lynch him either, since his reads are so bad, that it doesn't matter, that he is confirmed town, so try to work with him, because if I get lynched you are in lylo the next day.
If you have lynched me, plots is confirmed town in my eyes, because a setup rb,rb,goon doesn't make sense vs a single town cop. Just my opinion and that's also, why I am so sure of plots being town. I'd like to believe in a 2-rb-mafiateam, cause that would make bunnies and me confirmed, since there wouldn't be a gf in this setup, but I said it before and I'll repeat myself... I don't believe in a setup like this.
Last thing - on sl: I haven't reread sls filter indepth (too long for reading it at work). I think he is the worst lynch today, but in case that bunnies flips green, the scum-team imho is SL + disfo. His posting has decreased significnatly since breshke is dead (bats said, he posts less, once he feels safe) and mostly all of his reasons, why he calls himself confirmed town are weak at best (scotts filter, the votes on scott, etc...) but this is only in case bunnies flips green today. He says he reread boxerfred but only points out that bf is probably green if bunnies is red... Am I finally going crazy?
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barakos reads on boxerfred:
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On May 24 2015 19:27 Barakos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 19:14 Breshke wrote: awkward thought it was to me sorry!
Barakos who are your top 5 town top 5? That's a lot. TicTock is top town for the way he played and what i read out of the poetry-stuff. Then there is you for pushing sl all game long, which i liked, because sl looks like shit and hasn't really started making sense. Plotspot got a spot (pun intended!) in my town for the effort, but will have to follow up on this stuff. I would actually prefer him taking part in the game, than just doing his background-analysis... Next would be Rels... basically because of his presence in the thread and his critical thinking can't give a 5th spot... would probably go to bf for looking too newb to be scum but this is a bad reason for townreading, so i wont do it.
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On May 27 2015 17:38 Barakos wrote: I have to admit, i haven't looked into boxerfred and sulfurus at all, so I would have to go looking into them, too.
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On May 31 2015 06:57 Barakos wrote: don't block tictock.. he is like the only confirmed town besides you.
potential mafia at this point are bunnies, disfo, boxer, sl. (bats too, but blocking him seems pointless, cause he is most likely killed tonight, if he is actually cop)
If I were you, I'd pick one of those. Not saying anything more. ^^
Someone said pick someone, who seems towny, cause this might make for a surprise... or pick the most scummy, caus mafia might suspect you to pick someone town.. just please block out of the 4 names.
- note that bf is third place, so the two on top could be the misslynches he wants+ Show Spoiler +
On May 31 2015 07:24 Barakos wrote: ok... mafia from least likely to most likely only based on claims:
boxerfred, disfo, sl (no claims, no checks) ninjabunnies, greencheck, but possible godfather) barakos (greencheck, but possible godfather; roleblocked in a night with a scum-nightkill) plotspots (roleblocker, with one confirmed mafia-roleblocker and no other town powerroles) tictock (mason, that has gone insane over losing his mason-partner)
mafia based on feeling: disfo 27nb bf sl
would lynch down that list, depending I don't find anything completely spectacular in the filters
for now
##vote: disformation
And then the post I just posted. He had a few small interaction with boxerfred, but never actually pushed him?
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It also looks they are trying to avoid voting together until today.
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sicklucker, 27ninjabunnies, am I going crazy or are you seeing this too?
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On June 02 2015 05:09 boxerfred wrote: gosh there were so many cases against you and your replies were not even good. I'm fine with lynching you or barakos today, I stated before that one of you is GF. I might be tunneling on finding the GF on the checked townies, yeah, but I said it before. This day, my most important post was mostly disregarded.
Wasn't barakos super town just now?
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On June 02 2015 05:23 sicklucker wrote: I kind of want to lynch disinfo tbh. Hes with both bunnies and bf. So its the safe play anyone else down?
Hm, what do you mean with both bunnies and bf? Also keeping your options open?
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On June 02 2015 05:34 sicklucker wrote: How screwed would we be right now if theres 3 mafia. They would totally be owning us because we never considered it (but dont too late now)
That would at least improve our chance to actually lynch mafia by a lot. Overall not that confident in our town play tbh. =/
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On June 02 2015 05:37 27ninjabunnies wrote: This is so fucking dumb.
##Unvote ##Vote: Boxerfred
IM TRYING TO GET HIM TO DO SOMETHING erg;jawerlkgjqaelkrgjqlkergj
If you were serious you should come back and bold that up. Just sayin'.
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Yay, two surprise votes. I hope we don't also have crazy shennanies like D3... I don't realy like those as you have noticed.
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On June 02 2015 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote: Really?
BF playing Heroes SL playing DOTA
DOES NO ONE CARE ABOUT THIS GAME?! Not sure if I want to cry or laugh like a madman. Maybe both?
This is totally a game of throws.
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I read this vote as: "If you guys don't care about this game, I am not going to either." or "God damn it! come back and use your vote!!!"
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Actually that makes a lot of sense... Okay, let's ride!
##unvote ##vote sicklucker
At least my ability to waffle makes me flexible.
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On June 02 2015 06:41 Barakos wrote: oh... and suddenly a wild sl-train appears out of nowhere
*choo choo* ?
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On June 02 2015 06:48 sicklucker wrote: if theres a town in the two of them its disinfo tho so im loving the vote
<3
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On June 02 2015 06:56 boxerfred wrote: Your "I'm town" reasoning is really weak SL. Other reasons for why you're town?
Also, Dis, why so silent now?
I am just kinda waffling in the wind waiting for the flip.
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Cool. Voted wrong three times in a row. I am a genius aren't I.
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I feel like eating a broom, brb.
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Btw: Looking forward to ticktoc's reaction when he is back.^^ Will go to bed now, too. Pretty tired. Bit frustrated for being incredibly wrong the whole game. But at least town has now a really high chance to win.
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So I was thinking a bit about what happened yesterday... tldr: got pocketed by this:
On June 02 2015 01:13 27ninjabunnies wrote: @Dis- see that is why I read you as town. The link actually sent me to a read on why you went between me and sulf as mafia.
Your voting logic was from a townie perspective. Even if you went from voting one townie to another, you were atleast reconsidering your vote. Mafia would have just tunneled on me and been like, oh well. She was scummy. And for that I like you.
I scrolled down and read your case on BF.
So I agree he changed his vote to me after SL did. But he also was considering changing his vote to me after you voted me that one day, which made me read you two as partners. Im not sure how him sheeping other people makes him mafia.You would have to say him sheeping you for voting me also makes him mafia.
The one thing I see from BF is that if he is with SL. I agree that SL just dropped off of his scum list for no reason. And plots added on exactly why? I'll look through his filter to see if I can find a connection anywhere. But SL dropping off of his scumlist like that could be that in qt, SL told him to stop bussing.
I could easily see something like that.
As of now, besides the few problems I have with your case, I really think pressure needs to go on to BF.
##Vote: Boxerfred
But I would still like for boxerfred to explain the jump in his reads on sicklucker.
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well. bunnies voted me day1 of a constructed connection between boxer and me. boxerfred and sicklucker both voted her d2 and d3. though that could have been attempts to bus...
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Sry, for being super lurky today. Had some people over for bbq.
Unfortunately I am not mafia, so I can't concede. Though... I am not sure, can I concede as town as well? But that wouldn't help... xD So we probably will have to discuss the lynch order D5 anyway. If you have to lynch me, I am okay with that, as long as town wins in the end... Though I will still show that I am town.
But let us what happens this nightphase first...
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bah... typing... still ppl here, so I am super disctracted.
"Though I will still show you that I am town.
"But let us see what happens this nightphase first... "
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So... double checked. No PM. Wasn't blocked. Still in the pool.
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Wait? Does that mean no one was blocked?
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So. We lynch boxerfred and sicklucker in any order and town wins? I am down. Let's watch sicklucker explode.
##vote sicklucker
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EBWOP: Would prefer to be done D5 though. This game is kinda fatiguing tbh.
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On June 03 2015 09:01 sicklucker wrote: but then your another gf. wth screw this.
I have given complete logic as to why im confirmed town and never partnered with bunnies. Bf is clearly salty I killed his two mafia team mates and is trying to swag on me even tho he cant win.
All you need to know is that I would have conceded. I would not bm bf in a newbie game and swag on him like this in a game where everyones confirmed town but him and me.
Thats all you need to know as a veteran of this site I would not embarras myself by wasting 24 hours to lynch a newbie for no reason.
Alright. As per:
On June 03 2015 08:09 disformation wrote: EBWOP: Would prefer to be done D5 though. This game is kinda fatiguing tbh.
I am willing to lynch boxerfred first, in the hopes of getting this town win D5. If you are going to turn out as the last mafia I am going to be really pissed though.
You are a lot harder to read this game than the last one. Though my reads this game were pretty bad.
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On June 03 2015 09:17 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:08 disformation wrote: So. We lynch boxerfred and sicklucker in any order and town wins? I am down. Let's watch sicklucker explode.
##vote sicklucker what can i do to get you to change your vote? i want this game to end asap
If you are trying to pocket me and turn out to be the last mafia I am going to... dunno cry or something.
##unvote ##vote boxerfred
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This game is also very weird, with two people basically giving up (Bill Murray, scott) and a super random town rb.
inb4 barakos wins as a SK with GF power, who never used his kill power... xD
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On June 03 2015 09:20 sicklucker wrote: disinfo this is your chance potentially hammer a mafia and redeem yourself!
bah, now I feel like you are trying to pocket me. do you have some nefarious back-up plan to pull this out with one more day?
On June 03 2015 09:23 sicklucker wrote: ya that would be sick and ive thought about it. I would give him the win tho
yeah.
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On June 03 2015 09:37 Tictock wrote:Idk I feel like SL is floundering hard here. Usually when he's under pressure he starts being reasonable, but this looks like he's starting to reach hard to me. Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:57 sicklucker wrote: Like barakos are you this dumb? Like how sick would it be if theres really two mafia left. like holy fuck I think there might be thats the only way this makes any sense Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 09:01 sicklucker wrote: but then your another gf. wth screw this.
I have given complete logic as to why im confirmed town and never partnered with bunnies. Bf is clearly salty I killed his two mafia team mates and is trying to swag on me even tho he cant win.
All you need to know is that I would have conceded. I would not bm bf in a newbie game and swag on him like this in a game where everyones confirmed town but him and me.
Thats all you need to know as a veteran of this site I would not embarras myself by wasting 24 hours to lynch a newbie for no reason. As to the bolded statement. SL the only reason I'm still here is because I'm truely hoping you DON'T represent this community. Thankfully with all my talking with Bre before and stuff from last game I know your not typical here. However if I do give you a fair shake and read your post. Wouldn't Dis be likely scum? He's the only one not being scummed atm. If he is mafia he is sitting pretty, no way does he consider conceding right now.
Um...
On June 03 2015 07:10 sicklucker wrote: plots you freakin donkey.. I was roleblocked.
On June 03 2015 07:31 boxerfred wrote: Thanks. SL is fakeclaiming. I was blocked, just as I asked Plots to do. SL delivered the kill.
##vote Sicklucker
Since only one of those two could have been roleblocked one is lying. Why would town lie about having been roleblocked? One of those two has to be the last mafia. Unless I am a second mafia roleblocker that has never used his ability in the entire game until now...
so sicklucker is 100% refering to boxerfred, who he thinks is not surrendering despite 100% having lost the game. Why 100% win? We lynch either boxerfred and sicklucker today and the other one tomorrow. town wins.
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On June 03 2015 10:10 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 09:55 disformation wrote:On June 03 2015 09:37 Tictock wrote:Idk I feel like SL is floundering hard here. Usually when he's under pressure he starts being reasonable, but this looks like he's starting to reach hard to me. On June 03 2015 08:57 sicklucker wrote: Like barakos are you this dumb? Like how sick would it be if theres really two mafia left. like holy fuck I think there might be thats the only way this makes any sense On June 03 2015 09:01 sicklucker wrote: but then your another gf. wth screw this.
I have given complete logic as to why im confirmed town and never partnered with bunnies. Bf is clearly salty I killed his two mafia team mates and is trying to swag on me even tho he cant win.
All you need to know is that I would have conceded. I would not bm bf in a newbie game and swag on him like this in a game where everyones confirmed town but him and me.
Thats all you need to know as a veteran of this site I would not embarras myself by wasting 24 hours to lynch a newbie for no reason. As to the bolded statement. SL the only reason I'm still here is because I'm truely hoping you DON'T represent this community. Thankfully with all my talking with Bre before and stuff from last game I know your not typical here. However if I do give you a fair shake and read your post. Wouldn't Dis be likely scum? He's the only one not being scummed atm. If he is mafia he is sitting pretty, no way does he consider conceding right now. Um... On June 03 2015 07:10 sicklucker wrote: plots you freakin donkey.. I was roleblocked. On June 03 2015 07:31 boxerfred wrote: Thanks. SL is fakeclaiming. I was blocked, just as I asked Plots to do. SL delivered the kill.
##vote Sicklucker Since only one of those two could have been roleblocked one is lying. Why would town lie about having been roleblocked? One of those two has to be the last mafia. Unless I am a second mafia roleblocker that has never used his ability in the entire game until now... so sicklucker is 100% refering to boxerfred, who he thinks is not surrendering despite 100% having lost the game. Why 100% win? We lynch either boxerfred and sicklucker today and the other one tomorrow. town wins. Yea I agree today has to be about those 2 kus of that. That made sense about you for a second when I took SL's post seriously in regards to the conceding logic. Just another reason why it's dangerous to do that... Don't forget that I also have 3-4 cases on boxerfred in my filter. He hasn't even bothered to answer the questions I raised in my last one. Maybe I'll refactor them and cook up a polished version of them tomorrow. Not sure if I have the time for that though. But I will def. do that before EoD, if there is no concede until then. Maybe I'll take another look at sicklucker, too and just lynch the one who looks scummier first.
Also after 3 AM here, so I'll go to bed.
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One last thing... I just remembered this gem:
On May 22 2015 19:34 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 19:28 Rels wrote:On May 22 2015 19:07 boxerfred wrote:On May 22 2015 17:12 Rels wrote: As for know I will vote for the AFK until he post something. Then I'll vote for the people I don't like, I'll probably sheep Sulfurus unless he vote someone I don't agree with.
##Vote: boxerfred Well I'm AFK since I am on an EU schedule. However since I dislike people that vote for me, I'm willing to vote for them. However, I feel like voting randomly / for no reason rather means that someone wants to make a destructive impact to the game which strongly speaks for them being an evildoer. Thus I'd strongly recommend Rels to be checked upon. You seem pretty defensive for what was just a policy vote until you posted something. On May 22 2015 19:17 boxerfred wrote: I have no idea who I should vote for :/ What is your most scum read atm ? Yeah I hate being voted out in first rounds because it just ruins the game for me. I'm a bad loser. My most scum read is Bill Murray but it's more indications than bullet proof theories.
Bold font was added by me to highlight stuff.
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On June 03 2015 10:32 Tictock wrote: You guys prob prefer me not doing big cases anymore right? I'm kinda burnt out on them and having my own tunnel being shoved in my face with those flips does a lot to calm a man down.
I'm starting to work through BF's filter but am realizing I prob wont have some fantastic analysis at the end of it. I'll try to keep my conclusions short and to the point.
No sweat. I am kinda fatigued as well. And unless something really crazy happens town has won anyway.
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EBWOP: Going to bed now for real!
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On June 03 2015 19:30 batsnacks wrote: Boxerfred did really good this game, wow. Yeah, I agree. I was onto him a few times starting N1, but his responses to much pushes were pretty good and had a town feel to them. I hope he will come back, since it was mostly fun fencing with him. (On D3 I got a bit annoyed at one point, but that is bound to happen in mafia games at some point I guess..)
On June 03 2015 18:12 Rels wrote: A big thanks to cakepie, celestial and ksc for the hosting this game. It was perfect, from day / night post on time to vote count being so detailed! So thank you, would play again (= Yeah, mucho thanks to our hosts. I am really digging the fluff posts. The wriggle nightbug thing was kinda cool and I felt really bad for the vanilla townies getting bullied this bad.
On June 03 2015 17:38 Breshke wrote: Barakos and like all the newbies I hope you play again you were enjoyable to play with. Like the main thing is having fun and if you find that you don't have fun then I understand not playing but don't feel like being wrong or whatever is a reason for not playing again. I was really frustrated after bunnies flipped mafia. I don't have much patience when it comes to me making mistakes/being bad. Like I could never ever pick up something artistic or musical because of that. But after a nights sleep I got over it. And at least I was on the right track with boxerfred.
That being said this game was a lot more harder, taxing and time consuming than the last game I played and got me a bit behind on the schedule I had planned for my master thesis (but only by 1 week and I have a 1 month buffer planned in) so I am going to take a break from playing. Will shadow/obs/cohost though.
Will maybe post some more thoughts about this game. If someone wants to yell at me and/or give me hints for future games, feel free to do so.
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On June 03 2015 23:24 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 23:13 disformation wrote:Since my town play includes semi-sheeping and waffling a lot that might actually work. Not if I can help it <3
aww. but i wanted to evolve from waffleboy to wafflemeister. joking aside i should try to stop waffling this hard since it will get me lynched real fast in non-newbie games i guess.
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