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Okay, I have returned! And waaaaat?!
On one hand I am happy that one of my suspects got lynched and thrilled to see that he was scum indeed. But then I see that he didn't post anything and even didn't show up to hand out a vote, so I am a bit bummed out. Like WTH, scott. =/
Well. 1/3 mafia down. And I was getting super worried about town's chances, after seeing the super low activity today evening. So I'll gladly take that. 
Bit tired atm so, I am not sure if I will read the EoD stuff from earlier before going to bed. Just skimmed it so far.
Maybe a breather would be nice, since I feel I am focusing too much on certain persons.
@cakepie
Really loving the fluff. <3
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On May 24 2015 08:03 disformation wrote:
Well. 1/3 mafia down.
Do we have confirmation it is 3 mafia ?
I mean, that's what I assume too, but is it written anywhere ?
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On May 24 2015 08:11 Rels wrote:Do we have confirmation it is 3 mafia ? I mean, that's what I assume too, but is it written anywhere ?
Hmmm. I am just assuming that since 3 mafia is the norm for 13 player games here. At least that was the case in all the games I have played in / read. Quickly read over the op, but wasn't able to find any information there. It just says "This game uses a semi-open setup for 13 players; that is, all the possible roles are given but the number of each is not known. Not all of the roles will necessarily be present."
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On May 24 2015 07:57 Rels wrote:Yeah for scum lynched (= happy about that. I think vig should not claim before shooting. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 07:25 sicklucker wrote:
you can. mafia wont shoot you because theirs other roles and we have a confirmed town to lead us its really fine. I would agree if we were sur to have a doc. But we don't know that it is not an open setup. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 07:34 sicklucker wrote:
If mafia kills the vig tonight thats good.. he still gets off his shot and are that would mean are other role/roles are safe... No it's not good. Vig should claim day 2 if he shooted: - if he is not counter claimed, we have a confirmed blue - if he is counter claimed, we have another scum lynch in day 3 in the worst scenario.
Thinking about it more I was wrong and SL was right.
If there is not vig, then mafia can claim vig on their NK and nobody can counter claim. So if there is a vig, he needs to claim before the night is done.
I think the best play is claiming just before EON.
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On May 24 2015 08:16 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 08:11 Rels wrote:On May 24 2015 08:03 disformation wrote:
Well. 1/3 mafia down. Do we have confirmation it is 3 mafia ? I mean, that's what I assume too, but is it written anywhere ? Hmmm. I am just assuming that since 3 mafia is the norm for 13 player games here. At least that was the case in all the games I have played in / read. Quickly read over the op, but wasn't able to find any information there. It just says "This game uses a semi-open setup for 13 players; that is, all the possible roles are given but the number of each is not known. Not all of the roles will necessarily be present."
Alright I suppose it's 3 too.
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No one need to claim anything if mafia claims Vigi on their night kill the lack of another kill would be fairly obvious.
Never listen to SL about mechanics. He rarely thinks about what he says.
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On May 23 2015 22:40 plotspot wrote:
Well, I'm at p15 now, hope to at least catch up to the post I made yesterday with my "analysis". I do realize that it might prove not to be helpful at the end (what if there are no particular patterns?). But I just thought I can be a complimentary part to town by looking at it in a more statistical, factual way. It's there. With enough effort, everyone can do it. We already have a lot of people here standing guard, being pro-active, keeping mafia on their toes with their thread presence. My statistics might prove helpful if you can use it to support your claims.
I think it is a great mindset and if you manage to keep it up to date, it will be super useful!
Right now it is almost useless, and if you were to stop here it would be a lot of work for no valuable informations. Which is what a scum would do: doing a ton of work that doesn't help town.
So I hope you continue as if you even manage to finish day1, we would have a lot of informations combining your graphics with the flips.
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On May 24 2015 05:46 sicklucker wrote:
Ok i just read rels filter. I think he flips scum a bit more then scott I wouldnt mind lynching him. Hard to explian call it a feelin
So this post from SL is fairly horrible. Doesn't swap his vote does nothing with his "feeling". This looks very much like scum testing the waters trying to see if people would swap off his buddy.
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Decided to take a breather and will go to bed very soon.
Looking forward to be doing stuff again tomorrow, after whenever I get out of bed. 
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Good cop checks/vig shots
Dis
BF
Sulf(rather cop check)
And Breshke (Cop check)
What do we think of BM as a vig shot?
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On May 24 2015 11:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Good cop checks/vig shots
Dis
BF
Sulf(rather cop check)
And Breshke (Cop check)
What do we think of BM as a vig shot?
Why do I make this list?
Otherwise add SL and yourself and I like it.
I really fail in understanding why SL tells the vigi to claim so we can discuss the shot instead of doing exactly what you just did then.
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On May 24 2015 11:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Good cop checks/vig shots
Dis
BF
Sulf(rather cop check)
And Breshke (Cop check)
What do we think of BM as a vig shot?
BF? Wth you were reading him town EoD. Why are you suddenly suspecting him again?
I'm having the hardest time following your thinking the past ~30 hours.
Also regarding SL's notion. I was overreacting at the time, but literally moments after the flip suggesting a Blue claim was so WTF I had to jump on it.
Also I don't like the tone of it, but I suppose it's what to expect from SL.
On May 24 2015 07:14 sicklucker wrote:
If your a town veg and dont know who to shoot you can just hardclaim now and discuss it without a roleblocker.
Confirmed not veg dont shoot me mafia. Out for the night in a few
Yea the tone of , "Vig claim so we can figure out your shot and you'll die for town, tnx bye" Is pretty bad.
Still credit where credit is due, it's not a bad suggestion. Vig only has one shot so their role is fulfilled just by using it, and since RB is gone they can for sure use it. Vig sacrificing themselves to ensure no other blue roles get picked off tonight is also a decent plan of action. Roles like Doc and Cop are very valuable to keep alive, whereas Vig and Vet are more for gathering information for town.
Just continuing my line of though regarding roles, Masons should almost never claim asfaik as they are VT with slightly more info than normal VT. No idea how to regard a potential SK. If we have 2 kills tonight and no Vig claim tonight/D2 then SK is real possibility... at the same time I could see that opening a window for Scum to claim Vig in that case and SK is happy with that since it keeps their role hidden from town... Ok no more on that since I'm pretty sure I'm almost lost in WIFOM.
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On May 24 2015 11:21 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 11:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Good cop checks/vig shots
Dis
BF
Sulf(rather cop check)
And Breshke (Cop check)
What do we think of BM as a vig shot? Why do I make this list? Otherwise add SL and yourself and I like it. I really fail in understanding why SL tells the vigi to claim so we can discuss the shot instead of doing exactly what you just did then.
I noticed that too. However I don't think it is necessarily a bad play. Regardless if vigi comes out today, vigi should probably come out tomorrow after the shot.
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@ SL
Dude you are more than happy to remind us you have so much more experience than the rest of us and play 100s of games. Can you please keep in mind you signed up for a NEWBIE game here?
Like just take the extra second to walk us through your thoughts. I get that you have this quick to the point style and you have lots of ideas about theory/mechanical plays but you need to get it through your head we cant see what your thinking so easily being that most people here are new.
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oh shit i thought BF was BM on your list i probs am leaning town more on BF than the others.
On May 24 2015 11:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 11:21 Breshke wrote:On May 24 2015 11:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Good cop checks/vig shots
Dis
BF
Sulf(rather cop check)
And Breshke (Cop check)
What do we think of BM as a vig shot? Why do I make this list? Otherwise add SL and yourself and I like it. I really fail in understanding why SL tells the vigi to claim so we can discuss the shot instead of doing exactly what you just did then. I noticed that too. However I don't think it is necessarily a bad play. Regardless if vigi comes out today, vigi should probably come out tomorrow after the shot.
I disagree still but who cares it doesn't matter really.
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On May 24 2015 11:27 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 11:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Good cop checks/vig shots
Dis
BF
Sulf(rather cop check)
And Breshke (Cop check)
What do we think of BM as a vig shot? BF? Wth you were reading him town EoD. Why are you suddenly suspecting him again? I'm having the hardest time following your thinking the past ~30 hours. Also regarding SL's notion. I was overreacting at the time, but literally moments after the flip suggesting a Blue claim was so WTF I had to jump on it. Also I don't like the tone of it, but I suppose it's what to expect from SL. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 07:14 sicklucker wrote:
If your a town veg and dont know who to shoot you can just hardclaim now and discuss it without a roleblocker.
Confirmed not veg dont shoot me mafia. Out for the night in a few Yea the tone of , "Vig claim so we can figure out your shot and you'll die for town, tnx bye" Is pretty bad. Still credit where credit is due, it's not a bad suggestion. Vig only has one shot so their role is fulfilled just by using it, and since RB is gone they can for sure use it. Vig sacrificing themselves to ensure no other blue roles get picked off tonight is also a decent plan of action. Roles like Doc and Cop are very valuable to keep alive, whereas Vig and Vet are more for gathering information for town. Just continuing my line of though regarding roles, Masons should almost never claim asfaik as they are VT with slightly more info than normal VT. No idea how to regard a potential SK. If we have 2 kills tonight and no Vig claim tonight/D2 then SK is real possibility... at the same time I could see that opening a window for Scum to claim Vig in that case and SK is happy with that since it keeps their role hidden from town... Ok no more on that since I'm pretty sure I'm almost lost in WIFOM.
BF is not because I'm thinking he is mafia, but because many others are.
This will give us a better idea of what is going on in the game via who BF is pushing on, and who is pushing on BF.
I much prefer one of the others as a cop check. But he is on the vig/cop list.
BM as a vig shot cause, idk. expected more...Found mafia in one lurker....Why not BM?
Not a hard read, more of gut read, but im gonna look more into him
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Actually going back really quick to SL's idea to have Vig claim.
I just realized the possibility of SK complicates this idea quite a lot doesn't it?
Anyone who has more experience with games with a 3rd party especially an SK type party want to weigh in on that?
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On May 24 2015 11:41 Tictock wrote:
Actually going back really quick to SL's idea to have Vig claim.
I just realized the possibility of SK complicates this idea quite a lot doesn't it?
Anyone who has more experience with games with a 3rd party especially an SK type party want to weigh in on that?
I'm not that experienced with it but I think the less we talk about it the better it is dont wanan give anyone any ideas. Can just wait and see what happens really
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Bunnies can you explain why you like SL?
I get his bats thing was alright but he didn't do anything with it and was fine voting with him like it didn't even phase him.
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Yea I agree BM is actually a pretty good shot given how his last post only told us he was back then dissapears again.
Idk I'll revist this later on but for now I'd personally use a shot on:
BM
SL
27nb
Cop checks against these people would be nice:
27nb
BF
plots
Dis
BS
Dis and BS I'm still reading town, but there is definitely confusion about them from several people.
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