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(my second game here, so i think i "qualify" as a newbie) | ||
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I'm here now and almost done to catching up. First thoughts: I like breschke pushing/tunneling sl, to prevent him from being lazy. Makes breschke look town in my eyes. What I didn't like was disformations filter. All he has done so far is posting fluff and agreeing to people but not contributing in any form, except a very weak and non-commiting push on bm for lurking. And then there are these 2 posts: On May 22 2015 08:07 disformation wrote: Uh... so let me try this... The italic part says a good towny is up to talk about things happening in the thread and does not be too super defensive if someone else calls him scum. He is open and active and tries to get people to talk in order to find scum. And the other part says that he should look at all the people and be open to reconsider his reads, otherwise he might tunnel super hard. Still super cryptic stuff. At least I had something to think about for a bit. xD On May 22 2015 09:01 disformation wrote: Uh. Didn't realize the Mafia QT would be open since 24h either. Otherwise I would have said something about his cheap read. xD Still not seeing a lot to lynch sicklucker though. I kinda expected him to post "lol didn't read" stuff regardless of his alignment anyway. Though he was super eager to paint himself townie: Solid town read on Tictock for now. Asking all the questions I wish I had asked. xD I agree that BM should explain his bunnies vote, if he is as serious as he claims. In the bolded parts, he explains what good townplay should look like, and what he would like to have done. And that is all he does... he explains and doesn't follow up with anything, that would be good townplay... he just shows, that he knows, what town should do but does actually nothing. But since he shows, that he knows, what good townplay looks like, he is still "looking good" and tries to give the impression, that he is town but just hasn't had the opportunity to really do stuff. So for now my vote is on him. ##vote disformation | ||
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And what do you get out of Tictocks response to your writing? | ||
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@Rels: you're right, there are several people, who didn't do much but disformation was the first i noticed and he is the only one, who is trying to passively hint at being town with all his talk about what town should do. that's why he is more suspicious to me, than 27nb or bm. Although 27nb deserves a closer look for this strange "i see a bus"-play, which will have to be explained, once he/she has returned. | ||
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On May 22 2015 19:11 KelsierSC wrote: ～ Vote Count ～ sicklucker (2) : Breshke, batsnacks, plotspot (2) : Bill Murray, Tictock Bill Murray (2) : disformation (1) : Barakos 27ninjabunnies (0) : boxerfred (0) : Breshke (0) : Not voting (6) : 27ninjabunnies, boxerfred, disformation, plotspot, scott31337, sicklucker Currently, sicklucker is set to be lynched! The cycle will end at Saturday, May 23 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), about 36 hours from this post. remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in this thread. If you see any vote out of place, holler at us and we will look into it. pretty sure breschke switched his vote to disformation | ||
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@boxer: you need to try and find either a person you think is mafia (for example, because he disrupts the thread or doesn't contribute in a constructive way at all, etc...) and then obviously put your vote there (while giving reasons, etc...) or - if you are completely unsure of your own reads and don't want to call somebody mafia on your own - you need to find someone trustworthy and follow their lead and vote with them... The second option of course is pretty risky, since you can't trust anybody at this point in the game, so chances are, you are following a mafiaplayer, who is just really good at acting town. | ||
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His filter consists mostly of one-liners with not that much contend outside of defending himself vs breshkes push, which is kinda expected. The thing in his filter, that looks a bit suspicious is the way he attacked you and me because our posts were 6 minutes apart and yours contained a comment on my post. He just dropped in basically said "you two are mafia together and plan your posts in your qt" and drops out without any form of questions or followup. Didn't like that at all. Especially since he doesn't even directly say "you two are mafia and are making plans together", which would be a valid accusation, someone could track back to him. He does it subtly without commiting to his suspicion and that's kinda putting me of. He'll have to anser to that, once he returns. The other thing is, that he soft-defends bm at several occasions, saying bm is a troll and lynchbait and that's something I agree with.. bm is kind of unreadable for me at the moment, so lynching him at this point would be a coinflip. | ||
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soo... could you elaborate on your townread on sulfuras? I find nothing in his filter, that makes me say "top town". | ||
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Might have been an ok-ish read at the time, he wrote his answer. He just hasn't done anything since and the evidence he posted also doesn't hold up (see disformations post on bms accusations towards him). Speaking of disformation: Why do you disagree with my push on him? Granted: His case on you looks better than anything he did before but still i get the feeling, that his mindset is more focussed on looking towny than doing actual town-work. | ||
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On May 22 2015 23:10 27ninjabunnies wrote: I just thought he was town for what he has been posting and questioning. Though, I am reconsidering on this. If you see my above post. Idk, that's just super weird. So your read on him changed on a connection you think you saw between him and boxerfred and since you suspect boxer, you now also suspect him, too? | ||
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On May 22 2015 23:18 27ninjabunnies wrote: My read hasn't changed. I'm reconsidering. Still think he is town. I don't necessarily understand your push on him, something I have to reread. I do want to see BF's response to why he suddenly switch his vote. So the way I'm looking at it in my head is this: BF as newb mafia votes on BM just to be voting on someone...tlaks a bit, doesnt really push on BM, then mafia partner comes out with a case on me (town), and BF is like, ooo this looks good. Lets unvote, and go with mafia partner here. Im a video mafia player. I try and see connections between people because we don't do flips. And i see a connection there. ok - fair enough... if you got any questions about my case - fire away. I'll be on my way home from work now and be available again in about 30m | ||
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On May 23 2015 00:15 disformation wrote: @Sulfurus: Did your reads on Breshke change? Who would be your #2 lynch after Breshke, if he is still your top scum? He already switched votes to bm. But I can see, how someone could miss this, given that sulfurus already got 5 posts. :p | ||
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On May 23 2015 01:54 disformation wrote: @Barakos: Besides me, who else do you read as scum and/or are you willing to lynch. And please explain why.  Also: If you have any other questions for me, feel free to ask. Besides you there would be sl, depending on how he returns to the thread. If you read my conversation with rels, you'll find the reasons for that. Other than that, there are still the inactives, but lynching into inactives feels too coinflippy. I would never lynch breschke or rels today. also tictock seems quite towny. @bats: care to answer to my question about your reads, you got out of reactions to your poetry? | ||
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On May 23 2015 02:59 batsnacks wrote: Baraka's response to my moon lake poems is interesting. I wonder why out of all the bs going on at the beginning of the game he singled out mine when I even followed up on my bs. Dunno, what you mean by singling out.. i was just curious about what you would read out of it and am now a bit dissappointed, that your only reads out of it are some townpoints for answering. sounded like one could hope for more. but then again as you wrote, maybe you just mixed up the names? | ||
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just woke up and reread. Gotta say, I still dislike disformation. I'll give him credit for his case and interactoins on/with bunnies, which made some sense but got answered pretty well by bunnies, that's some actual townwork he did there. But after this his filter more or less reads like "hey x/y/z - who do you think is mafia?"... it goes on for about a page in his filter... in every post there is the question "who will you vote for / does that make him mafia / who is your second vote, if not x?" Which is again just seeming active without real contribution. Like mafia looking for options to construct a misslynch. Following this up, he builds a new case against sulfurus based on a (in my opinion) constructed tmi-slip, which i just can't see. Also note: The post he used to construct this slip is about a day old. And just now, when there is need for a new case, because he has retracted from his case on bunnies, he sees this slip and uses it to construct a case vs one of the most inactive players in the thread. This just seems off. My vote stays on him, since there is very little positive stuff to read out of his filter and I am quite sure he is a better lynch than any of the inactives. (Just as a sidenote, at this point I am still against lynching into the inactives, since they all feel coinflippy to me and there is a chance there will be more activity later on) Other things that come into mind: @plotspot: Holy shit! Never lynching you atm, but I am afraid of what will happen, once you get caught up to the thread and do an analysis of more than a few hours of game-time. o0 This looks all like an awful lot of work. No wonder, you complained about how much effort you have to put into that game. I obviously like your conclusion, since your vote is, where my vote is too, but you really need to get up-to-date with your reading and votes, since a lot has happened since then... @batsnacks: As I said, I am disappointed by the results you got out of the reactions to your iching... It seems like I put more thoughts into them, then you did. This at least raises an eyebrow and also makes you look suspicios, cause you generated discussion which you didn't really follow up / only followed up half-heartedly, which is very little, given the fact, that you premade this stuff, so one could expect, you have an actual plan for this and not just "townpoints, because they reacted". As an example of what you could expect: Compare TicTocks reaction to disformations reaction. TicTocks mindset / interpretation of your iching is all about solving the game, while disformations is about what it means to be town. Out of this, you can see, what this two had in minde while reading your text... Tictock was all about solving the game (which is town, since mafia doesn't need to solve anything, they now it all.). Disformation was all about how to be town, which is mafias main-concern all game long. This is also why I got an early townread on tictock... mostly based on this one reaction to your post. Also these two posts: post 1 post 2 are made within 40 minutes of each other and there is no visible thought-process between them... Please explain this vote-jump, cause i don't see any connection between sls 2 posts he made in between this posts and the switch in your stance toward him. (and you forgot to ##unvote...) You don't really look good in my eyes. To sum up my standpoint: Not lynching today: Breshke, Tictock, plotspot Possibly lynches: sl, batsnacks (although based on batsnacks vote, i think they are not both scum) Want to lynch: disformation | ||
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Of all the cases, that are floating around, don't you think there is one on one of the active players, that has a higher chance than voting a coinflip? | ||
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On May 23 2015 19:10 Tictock wrote: I am still lurking though I should be asleep... I understand your conflict here, I've seen a lot of argument in these games against lynching inactive people and your notion of it being a coinflip makes sense from a theory standpoint. My problem is that reality does not match theory. In reality this notion makes it a good scum play to stay inactive D1. Town is likely to jump on each other early on and mafia can stay away while accusations are made and people build cases for them. In my last game there was a clearly inactive guy I voted for D1 and he did in fact flip scum when town followed through D2. So my advice, and what I am trying to do here, is to not focus on the fact that there is little content by the inactive players and instead focus on what they HAVE posted. Is there enough in the ~5 posts by those players to convince you they are town? I get that logic... what i am/was asking was just, if there isn't any case on the more active people, that looks more convincing than the case on for example scott... since you know - variance... looking not good in 5 posts is not as telling as looking not good in 5 pages. | ||
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On May 23 2015 20:04 batsnacks wrote: I was going to let this read slide the first time but you being this wrong about me is dangerous for everyone. A few hours into the game, everything posted was bullshit. Literally everything that happened at the very start of this game is worthless and completely irrelevant now. Look at some of the stuff people were posting: All of these quotes are posted within 30 minutes to an hour of my weird Chinese poetry. Even though everyone in the thread is posting bs, and not following up on their bs, you have chosen to single out my bs out of all the other bs. How can you have a problem with the bs I posted at the start of the game and NOT have a problem with the bs other people were posting at the start of the game? Especially when my bs generated more discussion than anyone else's bs. That is why I said you were singling me out before and it makes you look really, really bad. I'm picking on you, because you are the only one, who actually prepared something, said he could draw conclusions out of it and then has no followup. Plus the discussion you created had nothing to do with bringing the game forward but with interpreting poetry. The crap you quoted is obvious trolling / fun... your crap is premade and not followed up by you... I don't really care if you think me pointing this out makes me look bad... it makes you look way worse. | ||
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I found disformations mindset to be suspicous and will keep my vote on him... not saying this won't change during the game, but I think he has atm the highest chance of flipping red at the end of the day. On the other question, why people who aren't voting inactives don't vote nb: I felt the small exchange I had with her ok... at least not suspicious @disformation: You're right, i fucked up with this sulfurus thing... dunno, what happened there, I must have mixed up some posts in sulfurus' filter. -.- sloppy by me. Sorry, disregard the part, where I say, sulfurus' post is too old. Still: my arguement, that a case based on tmi seems constructed to me and not very reasonable. | ||
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I stand corrected. Looks like it was better to lynch into the inactives after all. | ||
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27nb asked if people thought there was mafia voting for scott shortly before eod... there sure was. People said scott rolled mafia in several of his newbie-games and wasn't very happy about this, so I am pretty sure his scum-partners in the qt knew this, too. So there might very well have been plans about voting him, if it becomes apparent, he will not return to the thread. Him not returning and posting as less as possible might even have been the plan right from the start. Which is also why what bm said about scotts post making him look good is complete bs since this might as well have been a planned breadcrumbing, which a scum-bm could later on use by saying "look, he tried to make me look bad and he was mafia, so i must be town". Just look at the scum-qt of assassination-mafia. bm is perfectly capable of hatching such a plan and scott - already not excited about having rolled scum - would have happily followed, since he wouldn't let his team completely hanging. I guess all i am saying is, that we can't really interpret anything into scotts posts, because him leaving the thread and giving up is most likely a thing, he discussed with his teammates, so there surely was a plan about how he should behave in the few posts he made, which is why everything he said could be interpreted one way or the other. | ||
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nobody claim yet! Just discuss it, the way the sensible people advised you to. It's ok to give your thoughts now and - in case we got a vig - after the daypost claiming might be an option. we gain nothing from a vig, who is shot during n1. A living confirmed town is way better for us than a dead confirmed town. As for possible vig-targets: sl seems like the best choice here, followed by sulfurus and maybe 27nb. bm returning and posting in the way he did in his last posts makes me kinda want to wait and see, if there is more wisdom coming from him, else he would also be a prime target for the vig. potential cop-checks for me would be disformation, bm, batsnacks and also sulfurus + 27nb | ||
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Your logic fails, since nobody would do this, if they actually thought, scott would be modkilled, since him flipping red would make the person pushing for lynching someone different really bad. | ||
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On May 24 2015 19:14 Breshke wrote: awkward thought it was to me sorry! Barakos who are your top 5 town top 5? That's a lot. TicTock is top town for the way he played and what i read out of the poetry-stuff. Then there is you for pushing sl all game long, which i liked, because sl looks like shit and hasn't really started making sense. Plotspot got a spot (pun intended!) in my town for the effort, but will have to follow up on this stuff. I would actually prefer him taking part in the game, than just doing his background-analysis... Next would be Rels... basically because of his presence in the thread and his critical thinking can't give a 5th spot... would probably go to bf for looking too newb to be scum but this is a bad reason for townreading, so i wont do it. | ||
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Was so hard for me, not to make any bad jokes... TY for failing to resist. :p Also: Could you explain your tictock-scumread? Seems like a really unique read you got there. | ||
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sorry for not being around yesterday. Monday was a holiday here in germany, so the day was off and I was out with friends and forgot to drop by to warn you... Will reread the thread. Looking at the votes, I think I should put emphasis on reading bunnies and sl? Anything else important? | ||
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one thing i found kinda funny: I make a post about the votes not meaning much, because it may very well have been planned to vote for unmotivated scum-scott and a few hours after disformation (my stongest scum-read at that moment) makes a huge post saying he analyzed the votes and stuff... it is almost as if you try to antagonize me, disfo.. Anyways... I doubt scum-disfo would do this, since i was the only one pushing him really hard and scum would at this point try to not draw more of my attention by actively trying to argue with me... so for now, disfo moves down from the top spot of my lynch-list. 27nb: looks not so good. was never under my suspicion, because I felt the exchange we had about sulfurus and her reaction to the case disformation made against her. Starts to look worse now. I like tictocks point, about her trying to draw attention to the people voting scott by asking, if there was mafia between them and her promising a big reads-post and not delivering also looks bad. sl: oh god, what a mess... it is almost as if he tries to confuse everybody... "i may or may not have a green check on barakos" "i may be cop or doctor" "i am vanilla town" Like wtf this play looks bad on so many levels. If you are vanilla town it is like the worst possible play to claim you have a green check on someone whose filter you haven't even read and you actually say, you can't read him properly... ok... he retracted in the end... i get that. Next thing, why this play was bad as it can be: He might very well have provoked a counter-claim by the real cop/doc... this is a newbie-game after all and if there were a actual cop/doc in the game an excited newbie might have very well counterclaimed right on the spot. So him going all "i am role x/y" and then after some hours of waiting and no counterclaims saying "lol, just kidding i trolled you all, i am a plain vt." looks very much like rolehunting and hoping someone actually bites and counterclaims. Also there is this quote by him going like "masons, i know who you are, you might as well come out and claim."... next occasion he is rolehunting. but when boxerfred has a theory about a cop having a redcheck and therefor trying to start a wagon, he instantly calls him out on in. So it's ok, when he does it... but only, when he does it. Other things I don't like about his spammy, mostly oneliner-filter: He trys to paint himself in a towny light with the most absurd reasons, like the votecount for example. He puts himself in the spot of a town hero by saying it was his vote and him persuading batsnacks to vote scott that finally swung the vote to lynch scott and not disformation, and when he is confronted with a reasonable arguement, that invalidates this arguement (my post that those votes may very well have been preplanned), his reaction is "lol you know, what mafia says in their qt? you are mafia!" You are not mafia for thinking about, what mafia would do in their qt, and what might be their plans... that's a natural thing for town to do - you try to figure them out and you are paranoid about everything that isn't actually confirmed. And this is one point where sl contradicts himself... see this quote: On May 26 2015 14:44 sicklucker wrote: Maybe I was right about barokos and sulp pre planning their entrances how awesome would that be. Like there giving 0 critical thinking here we probably wont here from them for another 48 hours He refers to this post: On May 22 2015 17:23 sicklucker wrote: Did you guys just plan your list posts in the qt or something Not only does he conveniantly forget, that he was throwing dirt at me for entering the thread at the same time as rels (a confirmed town, he also threw dirt at) and not sulfurus, he is also completely fine with speculating about mafia-qts, when it fits his agenda. Only, when it is not fitting for him, he devaluates it by saying the person speculating is mafia for knowing too much about the scum-qt. Also him disregarding the possibility of a serialkiller to devalue votes vs him again lacks critical thinking on his part and ignoring the possibility of a townaction, that negated one kp at night. the chance isn't the biggest, i will agree to that, but there is still a possibility, that something like this happened. So to sum it up: SLs behavior looks very anti-town to me + he has double standarts, when it comes to certain behaviours and lacks town-trades like a certain amount of paranoia and critical thinking. I am totally fine with lynching him today. ##vote sicklucker | ||
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On May 26 2015 21:07 disformation wrote: Inb4 some accuses me for being SK for trying to get the discussion away from the possibility of there being a SK... *rolleyes* No... at that point I agree with you. Speculating about SK atm leads us nowhere. Atm I also live in a world without SK and I think we should let this discussion rest for now, till there are clear evidents about one. We just need to keep in mind, that there is a possibility of one being in the game and either having his shot blocked or holding his shot in order to derail the thread into a needless discussion about potential scenarios in which there is a sk. For now I would work on the basis of no SK in the setup since everything else is speculation and there are better things to talk about than setup. Since sl and bunnies aren't around: Why do you think rels was killed, disfo? and @batsnacks: What do you make of my case against sl? He hase a lot of contradictions and other crap in his filter, so wouldn't it be ok, to not give him another day? | ||
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On May 26 2015 21:44 sicklucker wrote: "Other things I don't like about his spammy, mostly oneliner-filter: He trys to paint himself in a towny light with the most absurd reasons, like the votecount for example. He puts himself in the spot of a town hero by saying it was his vote and him persuading batsnacks to vote scott that finally swung the vote to lynch scott and not disformation, and when he is confronted with a reasonable arguement, that invalidates this arguement (my post that those votes may very well have been preplanned), his reaction is "lol you know, what mafia says in their qt? you are mafia!" Why are you putting scum on me for that its true? Like you cant even this fact wtf It's literally in the next paragraph... You either suck at reading and miss, that i am not suspecting you, because you are tryharding to paint yourself green but because of the way you argue about it, or you just want to missunderstand and not answer to the intended point of this paragraph, saying you look shit for having double-standarts and only are paranoid / think critical, when it fits your agenda. | ||
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On May 26 2015 21:53 sicklucker wrote: Your specifically arguing that being the 4th vote on a mafia does not suggest im town in the slightest. No, i am arguing that the votes can't be interpreted at all, since the chance, that mafia made a plan about the votes is way too high, because it looks like scott gave up a few hours into the game and that your arguement against this is "lol, you know, what mafia said in ther qt? you scum!" But well... guess, that confirms that you suck at reading. | ||
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On May 26 2015 22:14 disformation wrote: Well, Rels was super obv. town and as thus was pretty much universally read as town. He was also quite active in trying to solve the game. So if he would have done a solid push on a mafia, a lot of people would have found that credible. So: 1) Hard to gain information from the kill, since he was "obvious" town. 2) Potentially dangerous for mafia. = good target for mafia. Yeah, i agree with you on this... so what do you make out of this post? On May 25 2015 08:35 sicklucker wrote: also that nk was so bad. lol mafia (nitpicking sl a bit here...) that's also one of the posts I found out of place, when I reread, since killing rels made totally sense out of my point of view. Is this SL trying to diminish rels' legacy by saying the kill was bad. Also rels' main lynch-candidates were sl, bm and plotspot (plotspot didn't make his "would lynch" list after the first analysing-post but returned shortly before EoN1)... he stuck to them pretty much all game long. Given this and the fact that rels would have many followers, had he tried to lynch someone from this list, I think there is a good chance mafia tried to shut him up. So - wouldn't it be good, to keep the lynches in those 3 (sl, bm, plot)? | ||
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On May 26 2015 22:20 boxerfred wrote: This game took a turn for the worse by now, arguing whether a role is in or not should not be an issue IMHO. As batsnacks and I said - stop talking about sk please and focus on important stuff. | ||
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For example the part about him hunting roles... you tell boxerfred, that rolespeculations are bad and help mafia, yet you seem to ignore it, when sl does it. | ||
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On May 25 2015 21:00 batsnacks wrote: Well you said you had a scum lean on him and I do too so I was curious. You mean this wonderfull read? After which he doesn't answer anymore? Or the other time, where you asked him about me and he answers "don't care, gotta not get lynched"? Because other than that i don't find any reads in sls filter that he gave in response to you asking. The other stuff he writes about me is him trying to make up, why I could be scum and voting me, only to unvote me, after I made my case vs him. Unless I miss something (point out please) he never gave you any kind of read about me. | ||
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On May 27 2015 00:04 sicklucker wrote: We have talked about you plenty. If your not a lynch today I dont really care about you that's total bs... batsnacks asked you about me in 3 posts to which you only really answered one time and your anser was "got no read, that's why i fake-greenchecked him". Which he is content with, as it seems... Becaus that's all you two talked about me with each other... The other times i appear in batsnacks' filter is when we talk to each other and in your filter i appear, when you attacked me for various (sometimes more, sometimes less) fabricated reasons and voted / unvoted me... So him saying you gave him a satisfying read on me and you coming in defending him now looks like total shit. In case you flip red, there is a high chance of him flipping red, too. IMHO. | ||
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And even if there was... that is long after the rolehunting of sicklucker. So even if there was a read about me sl gave bats, it isn't a valid reason for not calling sl out on rolehunting, since this would have happened a lot later, so it couldn't have been a reason for not calling sl out as batsnacks claimed. that post you quoted was 4 hours after you asked, when you weren't even in the thread anymore... no way this could have been a reason for you not calling him out on his rolehunting. | ||
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somebody said "i would consider unvoting her if she started a case on sulfurus" and her going for bm looks kinda good. i get the feeling, mafia in the need of defense would have gone for exactly that and started a wagon on someone, who was proposed to them, cause the chance of this working are higher. Then again - BM was also a quite obvious target for a counterwagon, since he wasn't active for the last 20-something hours. That being said, I also don't like the wagon on bm. Mainly, because he's been inactive the whole day and kind of announced he would... he said, he was moving in or something. What I said D1 about lynching inactives still stands. I just don't like it... be it sulfurus or bm... In my opinion it's too coinflippy and my case on sl still stands... even if i seem to be the only one believing this is a good play today. | ||
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On May 27 2015 07:42 batsnacks wrote: I think the optimal play would have been to wait until day to post that but... okay plotspot is confirmed town and there is a confirmed town roleblocker. How does this make plotspot confirmed town? After all it was a town-roleblocker. I'd agree with you, if it had been the mafia-rb. | ||
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Breshke: How did you go from townleaning towards me to me being your top3 scum? We had rarely any interactions at all... | ||
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You want to know, what i make out of plot not updating his table? | ||
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Explained it in the same post i said i didn't like lynching bunnies. In my first (and up till now only) game here, i won as mafia because town lynched all the inactives first while I was one of the three most active players and got a pass till lylo, where all I had to do was chose the right one to hammer the last vote and win... I basically had a free pass till end of game, because every lynch was on the inactives. So I think - and my experience backs me up on this - that lynching inactives is just an easy way for mafia to gett further into the game and towards mylo/lylo. Ask breshke, he was in that game as well. | ||
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On May 27 2015 16:59 boxerfred wrote: Barakos, if you're so worried about not lynching inactives, why didn't you push on someone more actively and stayed in your lurker role? I did? I made a case against disformation, who was the other wagon D1 and I gave plenty reason to vote SL day two at the time, when the wagons were bunnies and sl. Then I returned to a thread, where all the votes were gone from SL and the wagons were BM and 27nb and when people were talking about doing voteswitches to sulfurus, I once again tried and said i would highly prefer a SL-lynch. @SL: game was disney princess mafia... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464494-newbie-lviii-disney-princess-mafia | ||
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On May 27 2015 17:08 Breshke wrote: Nah dude was my first game and literally played like shit read my flter if you want a laugh was dead weight. I do kinda rememebr the inactive thing though. Except i don't think the first lynch was an inactive i think it was some townie that got hella mad First lynch was gobbledydook, who was inactive except for two intervals of 30 minutes, in which he started a scream-fight, which made him even easier to lynch, yeah. | ||
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Especially if you already caught one. (Not thanks to me, but our first lynch was scum, so how high are the odds of 2 out of 3 scum being this inactive?) | ||
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promising a big push "in the next two hours" and not following it up, that weird "you activated my trap"-play during D1 which looked off... I have to admit, i haven't looked into boxerfred and sulfurus at all, so I would have to go looking into them, too. If SL isn't scum, that would kinda clear batsnacks (who atm is also a suspect for me) in my eyes, since my read vs him is mainly based on that weird discussion I had with him and sl early-eod2. | ||
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but in a world where sl isn't scum he is cleared imho, as i explained in the earlier post. | ||
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On May 27 2015 17:56 Breshke wrote: yeah sorry probably could have put two and two together. Does it not cross your mind that all three of your main suspects voted for the mafia D1? If two of them are mafia why didn't they just switch to disfo? This is mainly about bats/SL being possible partners. But moving on. Bunnies being a prime suspect. What conclusions could you get from that? Well... if two of them are mafia, then there is the high possibility that disfo is mafia? And if disfo isn't mafia bats + sl switching to hammer a town... you know, how bad this would look. So the decision here would have to be made between trying to get towncred by hammering the inacitve partner or saving the inactive partner and drawing suspicion towards them. Moving on: 27nb being mafia would clear disfo, for her weird switch towards him based on some link she saw between him and bf. I wouldn't be more suspicious of sulfurus than I am now, just because she declared him top town early on (which she then retracted by saying he would be a good cop-check), since this would be way too obvious and would in my eyes be mafia trying to pocket an inexperienced newbie. rest of her filter is pretty much the case on bm... | ||
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On May 27 2015 18:55 Tictock wrote: I don't mind Bara's thought about 27nb flipping red clearing Dis, but I'm not a fan of lynching someone for info. that's not at all, what I said... I said in case of her flipping red disfo is likely green. I didn't say kill her, so we can clear disfo if she is scum. That's a huge difference. And this all is in a hypothetical world in which noone of disfo, sl and bs is scum, so there is a lot of if-then-else included here. | ||
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On May 27 2015 19:33 Breshke wrote: I askeed you that hypothetical because thats how i am reading the game. I still don't understand your bats/SL thing. For example if bats is scum with SL that means bunnies is town. So yes bunnies started the train on BM but it wouldnt of gone anywhere without bats first backing it. So why does bats move the lynch from one town to another town? What is his motive behind this? He basically doesn't care and since he promised to unvote, if bunnies starts taking part in the game it's an easy thing for him to switch votes... I'll try to explain the bats/sl thing... the bats / sl thing is basically, that sl was rolehunting with all his claims and the mason-thing and bats didn't call him out for that. then somebody had a theory about one of the wagons being started by a cop, having a redcheck (simplyfied, but that's the main thing) and bats immidiatly called him out for rolefishing. I pointed out, that he treated rolehunting in both cases differently. He told me, he didn't call sl out on rolehunting, because sl made a case vs me, after which i reread the interaction between batsnacks and sl and sl never made a case vs me as a response to batsnacks asking him to. The "case" which sl made was 4 hours later, after bats wasn't even in the thread anymore, so I called bats out on this, after which sl jumped in and said they had talked about me a lot, which just wasn't true. Hope that clears this up and you can see my line of thought. | ||
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On May 27 2015 20:59 plotspot wrote: You see, you're only acting dumb (obviously, sorry if I called you out on this). My opinion is #2. How can you exclude #2. Ok I admit I have NEVER ever plyed with SL, so I don't see why #2 is a no-go. DON'T FUCKING SPECULATE ABOUT SOMEONE BEING A ROLE FFS -.- If you think somebody is a town role, try to verify it privately but not out in the open. Is the concept of hiding blueroles so hard to grasp? You play the game to find mafia and not to find fucking blueroles so stop discussing it in thread unless claimed... you are doing mafias job atm. -.- | ||
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He did only recognize this in thread, so either mafia has all three roles, or boxer is town. | ||
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it's bad enough that those other three troll around about that stuff all the time. It's not exciting for town, to find out, if there is a cop... mafia is, what you need to look for. | ||
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On May 28 2015 08:00 batsnacks wrote: The rb 100% needs to claim. He is useless anyway except for being confirmed town there are no mafia roles left to block. doesn't roleblocking prevent kp, since it isn't factional? Was this way in my first newbie-game and I didn't find it in the rules... | ||
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tictock: Solving the game doesn't mean to tinfoilhat a un-cc'ed cop and one of his greenchecks into being mafia. And while I could understand some suspicions towards bunnies (and me, for that matter) because of the godfather-possibility, there is no way, that bats is landing on any scumlists - that's just ridiculous atm. And that is coming from me, who had theories noone else but me believed in, the whole game long... ^^ | ||
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but still cop + rb + mason-pair seems a bit stacked. what cakepie did was answer my question about rb blocking kp, thats all and gives nothing away about the setup. @bats: Do you think cop / rb / lone mason could be a possible town-setup? I know lone masons have happened here before (although probably not in newbie-games). I kinda don't see boxerfred being breshkes mason-buddy, given how excited he was last night about what he thought was a copclaim by breshke at that time. Everybody else was in the thread and did not claim, unless I missed something. | ||
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if plots is rb, this would mean he rb'ed himself N1... | ||
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##vote plotspot Seriously getting pissed by his "i solved the game 3 years ago" - bs and his "i will give you XX minutes to figure it out but not say it myself" - crap. now not cooperating... | ||
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yeah... he missspelled tictock pretty bad. | ||
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I am pretty sure, boxerfred will enter the thread, not cc and your whole "sulfurus, tictock"-theory will come crushing down. even if he counterclaims, all my money is on bf being the fakeclaim... the reason for this just being his excitement of finally finding a bluerole last night, when he thought it breshke softclaimed cop. Tictock being breshkes masonpartner is the far more believable option. | ||
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I'm at work atm and will read the thread and be able to drop by and respond/interact from time to time... for now: ##vote Sulfurus out of the three people that got votes on them the most reasonable. 2 mafia-rb seems silly, bunnies got a greencheck on her, so I'll go with this. | ||
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Lynching plots would mean, lynching an confirmed rb on the off chance, there are 2 scum-rbs vs a single town-cop... sounds not convincing. Lynching bunnies means lynching into a green-check on the 1/6-chance that there is a godfather between all the claimed vt and bunnies is the gf Lynching sulfurus is a 2/4 scum, if you believe both greenchecks, 1/4 if you believe one of bunnies/me is the gf. | ||
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On May 29 2015 20:14 Barakos wrote: Why are you working so hard on not lynching sulfurus? Lynching plots would mean, lynching an confirmed rb on the off chance, there are 2 scum-rbs vs a single town-cop... sounds not convincing. Lynching bunnies means lynching into a green-check on the 1/6-chance that there is a godfather between all the claimed vt and bunnies is the gf Lynching sulfurus is a 2/4 scum, if you believe both greenchecks, 1/4 if you believe one of bunnies/me is the gf. what goes for sulfurus also goes for sl, disfo and bf, of course... but non of them has votes on them atm. | ||
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you don't lynch bunnies, because we got a greencheck on her. Saying the greencheck isn't valid is rolespeculation. | ||
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i am willing to speculate with you about fake-claims and stuff, because that is the reality the game takes place in, but to speculate, what would be without all the claims is just shutting your eyes and ignoring the major things that happend in the past 30 hours. | ||
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And I am sheeping our claimed cop and not the confirmed mason, because the confirmed mason wasn't making sense with his vote. :p | ||
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So how likely is this. The setup you suggest is GF, Mafia-RB, Goon vs no known townroles. (Because obviously I am GF, because batsnacks...) Mafia RB is dead. This would mean plots claims into a completely unknown setup (and given the scum-setup you suggest, scum would assume there are a lot of town-roles) with the risk of being counterclaimed by the actual town-rb in a situation where it is completely unnecessary, because neither him nor I were under any real suspicion going into D2. How likely do you think that is? To me it seems you are so fixated on plots being scum that you just don't see the most-probable option, which is, that his claim is true. It's almost like a few hours ago, when plots was all "boxer is gonna counterclaim tictock and then we all lynch tictock". | ||
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The funny thing is, even after plots flips green, I'm still not cleared, cause there is still godfather, so please lynch me to at least confirm plots as town. -.- Can't believe I am suggesting this, but the amount of stupidity, tictock is vomiting in the thread atm is unbearable. So - please lynch me to confirm plots. -.-' | ||
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You will not care about this atm, cause you are riding the crazy-train but oneday this will come back to haunt you! | ||
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On May 30 2015 01:47 Tictock wrote: Hole crap do I have to keep spelling this out for everyone? Plots is Mafia Goon. Bara is GF He was willing to play so crazy today because between the check from bats and his invented RB stuff, which we only have word of through plots and Bara, would give Bara plenty of towncred to ride out much of the game. Especially when Town is so willing to sit around lynching people not talking much. These 2 people are the only ones saying I made some crazy defense of Sul here, when it's at best a null read. They are also the only 2 clinging to this RB role, since it's what their towncred relies on. Even then, you lynch me first, becaus in your twisted world, where this doesn't make sense, you still get a chance of rescuing this shit-read you got on the two of us and not lynch the claimed rb but the claimed town, because then you don't risk lynching your powerrole, which can still save your ass from being lynched ffs... if you actually believe in this pile of crap of a theory yuo have there I am the lynch, not plots. -.- | ||
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[/b]##unvote vote: 27ninjabunnies[b] | ||
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vote: 27ninjabunnies hard things are hard! | ||
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potential mafia at this point are bunnies, disfo, boxer, sl. (bats too, but blocking him seems pointless, cause he is most likely killed tonight, if he is actually cop) If I were you, I'd pick one of those. Not saying anything more. ^^ Someone said pick someone, who seems towny, cause this might make for a surprise... or pick the most scummy, caus mafia might suspect you to pick someone town.. just please block out of the 4 names. | ||
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On May 31 2015 06:57 boxerfred wrote: Either bunnies or barakos are town, so your list is false. If bunnies is indeed GF, Barakos' green check holds. And the other way around of course. Also, if you are scum RB, both green check hold. So whatever your logic is, it's incomplete. it's not either or... we might actually both be town... if it was either or, we could just lynch the two of us and get a 1 for 1 trade, but there is no guarantee, one of the greenchecks actually is gf. | ||
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Let's solve this game... Who was your block, plots? | ||
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So blocking me over and over won't get tictock off of plots head and we need a sane confirmed town, to solve this. | ||
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boxerfred, disfo, sl (no claims, no checks) ninjabunnies, greencheck, but possible godfather) barakos (greencheck, but possible godfather; roleblocked in a night with a scum-nightkill) plotspots (roleblocker, with one confirmed mafia-roleblocker and no other town powerroles) tictock (mason, that has gone insane over losing his mason-partner) mafia based on feeling: disfo 27nb bf sl would lynch down that list, depending I don't find anything completely spectacular in the filters for now ##vote: disformation | ||
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and if he is not fakeclaiming, the chance is high, he get's lynched, cause mafia cant risk another check... so it's pretty low risk, high reward. Don't be mad at plots for doing it / sl for suggesting it. | ||
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Why he didn't believe it, isn't on me but I can see the mindset, the comes from. And a world with two Mafia-rbs would be nice, cause this confirms you and me, cause there is no RB RB GF vs Town-Cop + Masons, but I am afraid, this is not the world we live in. | ||
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if he tries to lynch you again, just ignore him... I'll do the same. Focus on important stuff and get your mind on the guys, that actually could be mafia. If tictock actually starts this bs again, we just make sl fight him. | ||
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On May 31 2015 07:38 boxerfred wrote: Wait, this is my list from D2. I started the Dis/SL/bunnies stuff when everyone was on Sulf. Can you explain to me how the RB that you had on to you speaks for you not being GF? for now, too: ##vote: disformation mathematical technicality... I was blocked on a night, where a kill happend... one of mafia has to deliver the kill. So there is a chance, that if I was mafia, I would have delivered the kill, which would not have happened, if I was blocked... It's not much, but makes me "more green" than bunnies. | ||
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On May 31 2015 08:23 boxerfred wrote: Flawed logic. Tictocks: "please block me, I trust myself." Tictocks gets killed. Tictocks: "please block SL, I trust him." SL gets killed. So..? still this is perfect, because that way, you can control mafia-nightkills you just make plots block suspects. Then mafia either kills the suspects or you get plots confirmed. and if plots blocks mafia and mafia denies being blocked, you kill plots, see he was the rb and found yourself a mafia. | ||
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[QUOTE]On May 31 2015 08:16 Barakos wrote: I'd love to know whether you didn't see the flawed logic or chose to ignore it. You're strengthening ticktocks case by that. [/QUOTE] that gif wasn't directed at you. You got 2 posts explainig, why it is a good thing, if we can control mafia-kp. 1 from sl and 1 from me. | ||
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On May 31 2015 08:40 boxerfred wrote: EBWOP: Barakos' logic is fine. Still it's him vs. bunnies as GF. Also other possible godfathers: sl, disfo, you. Just because bunnies and I were greenchecked, doesn't mean one of us has to be the gf... gf might also not have been checked... I'm sure you know this, but your sentence sounds like only bunnies or I could be gf and if one isn't, then the other has to be, which is not the case. | ||
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he doesn't think plots is rb he denies that there is a 2nd rb in the game and his theory is that I am gf and plots is goon, claiming all this stuff to make me look good/innocent. His game-setup therefore is gf, rb, goon vs cop + 2 masons, which he thinks is fine for balance. (two roles rendering a cop useless, one of them even without actively targeting the cop vs only a cop and no other active roles to back him up) | ||
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Step back from your theory and do something, that actually helps... Just because it is exciting to call fakeclaims doesn't mean it allways is a fakeclaim. Especially, when it is backed up by a greencheck. Sometimes a claim is just true... as boring as it is. And sometimes newbies think funny things and have weird reasons... because they are noobs. You are so totally wrong with this theroy that it hurts whole town. Same as bats warned me, as I was suspecting . It's cool to call people out on stuff they do, but you seriously need to step back and reconsider from time to time. This stupid tunnel on the rb hurts the whole game, cause you are drawing attention to the wrong spots... You wrote in your predictions about what we would do, that we would try to discredit you and try to keep the whole day about this arguement.. You were wrong in 3 out of 4 points... plots and I never tried to discredit you at night, i never doubted your claim and plots also seems to start to believe it, which is good. plus we never were argueing - in fact we were thinking about how to stop this arguement from happening before you joined the thread and blew this whole arguement wide open again... Just take a step back, reconsider and stop going after the only bluerole we have left. | ||
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VOTE FUCKING ME AND NOT THE RB Even if you don't think you are wrong, you might be and in that case you just killed the only blue-role. GJ | ||
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You are lynching your assumed goon. When your goon flips blue, you got a claimed VT. And killed the RB. The right play in your theory is to lynch your assumed GF. Because one i flip green, you have a RB confirmed. In the strange world you are living in, it is the right play to lynch me and not plots BECAUSE YOU MIGHT BE WRONG WITH YOUR THEORY. | ||
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i meant the only acutally usefull blue. Because he can block stuff and thing... | ||
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he is confirmed town. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. he is throwing hard, but he is still town. Period. we had this one hour ago and just because he sticks to his push doesnt make him mafia... it makes him dumb town. TIctock: why believe it? Because a greenchecked guy tells you he has been blocked. If you don't believe this story, you start with lynching the greenchecked, who backs the story up. you don't lynch the claimed rb. If you don't see this logic and act after it, I will not work with you for the rest of the game. | ||
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Lynching me is the correct play, if you think i am scum and support your roleblock-fakeclaim with my fakeclaim of being blocked. We can confirm you on so many other ways, that there is no reason for sane people to lynch me. Lynching me just is the right play for tictock, cause he lives in lala-land. | ||
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Feelings I had, while making that list: SL is making tons of sense the last few days, bunnies is just meh, boxer is completely under my radar and you were the first case i had, so I stuck to it. I said I'd be rereading all filters but today is sunday, TI5-Qualifiers, Viagame Housecup + LCS NA, so I just lurk around here and didn't do rereading. Also note, that tt said, i wouldn't make any cases today, to not draw attention to me and cause discussion about me. That guy isn't even reading the thread, or else he would have noticed, that I was the first to cast a vote. | ||
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After this post, I would be totally ok with lynching 27nb. The simple fact, that she doesn't know about the mayor discussion we had for the last few days shows that she is completely detached from the thread. Also this here: On May 31 2015 09:20 27ninjabunnies wrote: There also, tho unlikely, might not be a gf in the game, and both I and barakos are real checks. Also, I think I might be done with the forum tonight, and will post more tomorrow. Ticktock, your thinking was quite along with mine on plots being a mafia rb. I'd like to discuss more about your thinking on this later, after i read your 3 massive posts. SL- what? shows, that she isn't following the thread in the slightest, else she should know, that TT doesn't believe in a second roleblocker in the game. She is basically dropping by, asking if nobody tries to find mafia, tries to start some kind of discussion, that will lead nowhere and drops off again. Seems totally uninterested in the actual topics of discussion in the thread, even the ones she pretends to be interested in. ##unvote ##vote: 27ninjabunnies | ||
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I reread 27nb, bf and disfo. 27nb seems the least involved and doesn't seem to be following the thread unless she needs to. I highly prefer her as lynch today before the other two. In case she flips red, I think there is a connection between her and disfo. Disfo made the case on her D1 at a time, where she had enough time to defend. They voted each other from time to time but in the end disfos vote never was on her at EoD, although he twice had the chance to be the vote, that makes the difference. So this is something one has to look at, if she flips red. An other thing, that happens, if she flips red, is that bf is cleared in my opinion, because both D2 and D3 he was on bunnies, although it was both times a close vote. Especially D3 he could have easily switched with the claimed cop but he didn't. So - in case bunnies is red, bf is most likely green. If she flips green, then well... shit. Votes mean nothing, since then both D2 and D3 were lynches between two townies and mafia couldn't care less, who to vote. An other thing I would like to say: In case I get lynched, I want you all to make as much fun of TT as you can. His read on plots and me is bad and you should make him feel bad. Still, TT is the 2nd mason and therefore confirmed town... so make fun of him, but don't vote him. Mafia probably won't lynch him either, since his reads are so bad, that it doesn't matter, that he is confirmed town, so try to work with him, because if I get lynched you are in lylo the next day. If you have lynched me, plots is confirmed town in my eyes, because a setup rb,rb,goon doesn't make sense vs a single town cop. Just my opinion and that's also, why I am so sure of plots being town. I'd like to believe in a 2-rb-mafiateam, cause that would make bunnies and me confirmed, since there wouldn't be a gf in this setup, but I said it before and I'll repeat myself... I don't believe in a setup like this. Last thing - on sl: I haven't reread sls filter indepth (too long for reading it at work). I think he is the worst lynch today, but in case that bunnies flips green, the scum-team imho is SL + disfo. His posting has decreased significnatly since breshke is dead (bats said, he posts less, once he feels safe) and mostly all of his reasons, why he calls himself confirmed town are weak at best (scotts filter, the votes on scott, etc...) but this is only in case bunnies flips green today. | ||
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I am also completely frustrated with this game, since I don't see town winning with tictock tunneling and the only way to stop this tunnel is me dieing. (Or plots, but we can't have plots die, so rather me.) | ||
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SL casts a vote on someone with low probability of getting lyncht and then afks? Rest is votes jumping between bf and bunnies, that about right? | ||
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and then lynch the shit out of them... easy game from here on sl confirmed by voting for bunnies imho | ||
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and then lynch the shit out of them... easy game from here on sl confirmed by voting for bunnies imho Game just got playable again and tictock is hopefully eating his shit-case right now. | ||
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On June 02 2015 16:35 Tictock wrote: My mind keeps drifting back to this point in the game tonight. 27nb stayed FAR away from my theories when I was tunneled on plots, yet when I switch to Bara she is all over pushing my case. If both plots and Bara were town, wouldn't she have supported my WHOLE case? Instead she is only willing to talk to me about it when I suggest Bara as a target over plots. Call me tunneled if you want, but I will never stop asking questions. I don't believe this game ever has "auto-lynch" conditions (maybe in some rare cases when you get the right combo of blue roles), I'd much rather keep thinking than be lazy and try and find ways to play the game without reasoning. I mean... whats the point of the game if not to challenge our thinking? this isn't even true... she actually asked you about the possibility of plots being a 2nd mafia-roleblocker somewhere in D4. You just didn't respond. the only possibility of scum out of disfo, sl, and bf is if your claim is fake and there isn't a 2nd mason... which has happened before, but I doubt this will happen in a newbie-game, that's why everybody is so fing sure, that you are town despite your stupid tunneling on plots and me. You have been proven wrong on one of your leading scumreads... your second scumread is confirmed town by setup, too... your theory of there not even being a 2nd roleblocker is shattered to pieces. You have basically been wrong for more than 3 days. Maybe, just maybe you should start thinking about your townreads. | ||
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Barakos
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If plots was mafia it is rb, rb, gf vs a single cop + masons. 3 roles, that render cop useless, out of which 1 doesn't even need to target the cop... no way, anybody lets such a setup get through balance-approval. If you don't believe me, look at the setups of some of the other 13p-games on this site, or maybe read some setup-generator-theroy here, to get an idea, what a balanced setup looks like. Will stop talking to you about this. | ||
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Our setup-seed would have been BBCCMMT which gives roleblocker, masons and cop to town the single T gives rb, gf, goon to mafia and adds a sk to the game And single mason is different to innocent child, because innocent child gets announced at the start of the game. | ||
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We had 1day preparation-time, because of the possibility, that there could be a sk in the game. | ||
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Use it to get an idea about the setup-possibilites but don't think this game defenitly used it. Also: plots doing all he can, to raise further suspicions and uses the generator wrong! Yay! \o/ | ||
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Saw you mentioning it in one of your cases and since you used that reasoning to scumread me and build a case on it, you kind of adopted it... which you shouldn't do, because if it's not your own logic, it kinda doesn't belong in your case, if you didn't at least check it. | ||
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Barakos
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There is no way you block a confirmed town here. | ||
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blocking bf is completely fine here. | ||
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So you proposing this looks just so bad... Of course you say "oops, sorry, forgot the most important thing in the game atm." Not really believable. | ||
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You wanted to give up but weren't allowed, because there is a SK in the game, who hasn't shown up yet. So when you wanted to give up cake was all like "no can do, got 3rd party in the game" and now you need to fight to not get lynched. + Show Spoiler + Also it's funny watching you try again... I'm a dick sometimes, i guess. | ||
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Whoever dies... stick to the plan guys... last mafia is between disfo, bf and sl... tictock and plots are allways town unless the setup is seriously fucked up. No last-minute posting, don't get yourself modkilled! | ||
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On June 03 2015 06:58 plotspot wrote: Surprise! I told the host to randomize between you three, because it doesn't matter. I have no clue who’s it going to be. HAHAHAHA. The one who’d been RBed should just say it, he can only be CCed by the mafia. The third is town obviously. Fuck this guy... seriously. fuck him. -.- Why can't he play like any normal guy? This is so retarded... now instead of a confirmed town we need to coinflip. Not to think about, what would have happend, if mafia held the shot... we'd be non the wiser. This is so retarded. Situation is still solveable but this has to be the singlehandedly worst play of any town powerrole in 2015. | ||
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YOU DONT HOLD INFORMATION, IF YOU ARE TOWN AND THE GAME IS ABOUT TO BE SOLVED. Write that down plotspot... You done this pretty much all game long by not giving your thoughts on things in the thread and it has caused nothing but trouble. And now this... -.-' | ||
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lynch is gonna be between a) bf and disfo b) sl and bf depending on if boxer claims rb or not rb. Welp... game is still won i guess, since we have the misslynch. | ||
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vote: boxerfred for now... will be probably changed, when boxer says something. ^^ If he doesn't show up, we just lynch him anyways and if the game doesn't end there we get rid of disfo, i guess. | ||
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I kinda got the impression of him, that he is that kind of guy. ^^ | ||
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##vote: sicklucker | ||
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sl says he was blocked one of them is lying host says blocks can't be randomized plots last posts say he is blocking bf => sl is lying, lynch with fire. | ||
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Plots' last post before he announced, he would random his block said, he would block bf. Is it possible, that he tried to randomize, got told, that wasn't possible and then switched to sl without telling us? Totally... Is it likely? I'll give this a 2%-chance, given plots' play the entire game. Maybe he thought, we would figure it out, that he wasn't allowed to random and thought it was funny, to shock us one last time with his... astonishing... townplay, I don't know. But our best bet is to believe he didn't switch without telling and just played one last trick on us, so I'll just go with his last call he actually stated in the thread and believe he blocked bf, therefor sl lies. Else we have to blame plots for prolonging the game for 3 more days, cause that's all it really does. | ||
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On November 23 2014 07:00 Blazinghand wrote: END GAME sicklucker the VT has been lynched! Serejai the VT has been end gamed! superbia the scum roleblocker is victorious! Scum victory! Scum qt http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/6vXjMgHeuPP Obs QT http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/bHisrA2hbj9 misslynched in lylo - still counts. On March 30 2015 08:17 GreYMisT wrote: Night 1 ![[image loading]](http://www.freevectors.net/files/large/MafiasMan.jpg) Sicklucker, as the Legitimate Businessman, was lynched! + Show Spoiler [Role PM] + Welcome to Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal. You are a Legitimate Businessman! Bribe: Each night, you may target a player to bribe. That player will be roleblocked with no notification. However, any uses/charges that would have been used will be refunded. If this occurs, they will not be told their ability failed (unless necessary), but will be notified that they have recieved an additional charge/use. You are also adamant that you run a legitimate business. Any ability that targets you fails(charges not refunded) and the player who actioned on you will instead recieve a message saying "Your check on PLAYERNAME has returned that he is the Legitimate Businessman." This passive ability will NOT prevent the first heal or the first 2 KP that target you, but your message will still be sent to those players. You win with the town. "I'm a Legitimate Businessman." Final Vote Count: yamato77 (1): WaveofShadow Blazinghand (0): Holyflare (7): VayneAuthority (0): VisceraEyes (4): Onegu, yamato 77, Onegu (1): VisceraEyes ritoky (3): sicklucker, batsnacks, Chezitwo (1): rsoultin (5): ExO_, Koshi (1): LightningStrike (0): kitaman27 (0): justanothertownie (8) Koshi, LightningStrike, Hapahauli (1): holyflare Not Voting (0): justanothertownie was elected as the fighter. Holyflare was elected as the rogue. rsoultin was elected as the cleric. It is now Night 1! Players may PM each other during the night. Please review the PM rules in the OP to make sure you do not have any violations. All actions will need to be sent to all hosts in order to ensure your action is added to the resolution list. Night will last 23 hours. Afterwards, there will be a 1 hour resolution period where there will be no talking in the thread. Night will end in on Monday, Mar 30 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) D1 as blue... shame on you. | ||
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I think you actually could have gotten him lynched today, although this would have been heavily influenced by plotspots actually randoming his vote without telling us, who he blocked but still. Thanks cakepie + all the coaches and cohosts for the game. And sorry @tictock and @plotspots for yelling at you. =( | ||
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On June 03 2015 17:03 Tictock wrote: I do want to add one more thing... To the "Veterans" who sign up for these newbie games. You need to keep in mind that when you play in these games you are representing your community. You are giving people their first impressions of what it would be like to play on these forums regularly. I know y0su decided to stop playing here after last newbie game (he sent me a PM), and I wouldn't blame BF for doing the same. There were plenty of times that I was super pissed off at BM for just going "Nah not going to read old posts" and other times when I felt like i was just getting ignored + Show Spoiler + granted that was because I was tunneled, but nobody bothered to do anything but tell me I was wrong until I started screaming for people to help me untunnel. I'm not really trying to judge anyone's playstyle here or w/e, but do keep in mind that acting shitty or like you just don't care in these games will scare people away from this community pretty easily. As I said - sorry. I feel like i crossed the line with you and plots at some points. I was just super-mad at the tunnel, because I couldn't see, how you could not see, you are tunneled, and spend D3 and D4 basically calming down and I think I did a pretty bad job. Also sorry for not helping you with your setup-concerns earlier... had I known, you were this unsure of the setup, I'd have given you that link earlier. Kinda thought your coach had you covered there. You are right on the other thing with some people being unenjoyable to play with. I've got the same problem partially... My first game here was over half a year ago and I haven't played again since this game, mainly because in most of the games that pop up I read one or two names I remember from some other game I followed and just can't be bothered to play with. This is also an issue with me finding several things unbearable, others might enjoy, which makes me think I am just not made for mafia, but yeah, I agree with you on this. Although I don't think BM was an issue in this game. | ||
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On June 03 2015 17:23 sicklucker wrote: But im acualy amazed you guys were even considering voting me after bunnies flipped mafia. YOu know that confirms me as town right? Mafia can never bus bunnies in that spot. IF she dies it confirms TWO TOWNS barakos and whoever plots rbs By that logic, boxer also was confirmed, since the first 3 votes, that sealed bunnies fate (since TT would never unvote me in this position, I think) were bf, plots and me. So unless you vote for yourself, bunnies is pretty much doomed there anyways. Of course voteswitches can happen and stuff... It was pretty clear, that mafia fucked up there, the moment boxer cced, because boxer + you were on bunnies. You have a thing for pointing out things, that don't confirm you and say they do. It's totally annoying and - if this had actually dragged on - would have gotten you my vote. So - is it likely you make this mistake? - No Is it more likely boxer makes this mistake? - Probably Still I would have voted you, basically because you are a pain in the ass to read. I felt that you trolled half the game and every time you started making sense, you also started screaming "look, this is me trying. baby town jesus confirmed." | ||
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On June 03 2015 21:18 Half the Sky wrote: plotspot was likely mafia assuming the setup was balanced. But even stepping back from that, he had a lot of troll comments and spent way too much time justifying setup speculation to alignment instead of focusing on a more behaviour based approach. I know his method of posting was similar to NSM7 and he was MLed D1 so I wasn't sure he'd approach the game the same way he did then. I might be totally off here... but 2 rbs vs a cop + masons isn't really balanced, is it? Especially, when there is no role to protect the masons / the confirmed mason after a flip... GF, RB, goon vs cop, RB, masons made more sense in my eyes, that's why i harddefended plots... | ||
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On June 03 2015 22:32 marvellosity wrote: The masons don't need protecting. rb/rb/goon vs cop/mason/mason would be mostly ok, but having 2 roleblockers in a mini (or even in a larger normal) would just in general be very odd. The setup as it was was quite town-favoured, but not too bad, especially for a newbie game. tldr: 2 rbs vs cop/masons is more balanced than what occurred in this game k, ty. Just never saw double scum-rb here, i think... but then again.. i don't read all the games. | ||
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