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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
I'm really not liking your attempting to locate possible masons this game. You do realize that if you were to out any blue roles for Mafia thats a HUGE blow against town right? I suppose masons aren't a big power role though. My biggest issue here is that speculating on the game setup isn't very useful to talk about when we don't have any info to go on. Rather see you focusing that effort finding scum than looking at town and thinking about roles. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Hoping you didn't just drop that PoE list and leave. Care to talk about BS a little? I've had him as a town but he's been slipping more and more into inactive neutral territory. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On May 26 2015 01:14 Bill Murray wrote: omg tictock may have broken the game on page 46 hes so smart i didnt want to say anything though, ive been kind of wanting to watch how this plays out Is it weird that this post, more than any other, has me questioning my reads now? Really not happy with BM. He's made a couple really good posts, but mostly just doesn't seem to care. I want to call this a pocket attempt but it's too obvious. Come on BM you can do better, I'm sure of it. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
oh yea I did read that post. It's just been so long since we heard from ya. I agree, I actually liked Barakos for the reads he made off BS' Iching thing. Is Barakos still your top town btw? I didn't mind BS response to Barakos here though. He's more or less saying that Barakos is basing his reads too much on this one thing. I don't mind BS not drawing much from his own D1 shinanigans as he clearly did it to get some discussion going not to get reads. Humm, I guess I'm still too on board with his thinking to get on board with him being scum. Still think he's being rather inactive now and he's not really reasoning out his votes or reads anymore. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
I do like your PoE list besides having BS 2nd. Right now I'm thinking SL 27nb BM plots BF Plots and BF are pretty much interchangeable in that list right now though. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On May 26 2015 14:44 sicklucker wrote: Maybe I was right about barokos and sulp pre planning their entrances how awesome would that be. Like there giving 0 critical thinking here we probably wont here from them for another 48 hours Sul made a prepared entrance? On May 22 2015 10:24 Sulfurus wrote: @sicklucker is it not normal for the mafia QT to be open during pregame b/c if it is you shouldn't have made that dumbtell also ##Vote: Breshke On May 22 2015 11:34 Sulfurus wrote: @NinjaBunnies the most important point in this game so far is when Breshke 1st stared pushing on Sicklucker since the conflict between the two has defined the entire game. Speaking of that, Breshke is my top scum since he continuously pushes against Sicklucker with very bad reasoning (#159 he complains that he has disappeared and hasn't thought critically only 3 hours into the game) I also scum read Murray due to his weak and untrue accusation against Dis in post #191 which made me think Sick is town since he tried Bandwagoning on him but he has since rescinded his vote. What? God SL stop spewing shit for no reason other than to loot like shit. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
I've proven your doing it time and again. It's terrible for town. If lynching you is the only way to get you to do this, then so be it. I honestly don't even care if you flip green, it will just mean town can finally focus on scum | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Point 1: Could not vote on scott D1. So she makes up this read on Dis based on BF. Carries it through to the bitter end. This explains why she scums BF but makes some weak association on Dis. This has extra weight since Dis had been pushing her earlier and there was other pressure on Dis. Point 2: She was fairly active D1, interacting and making this push on BF and Dis. Soon as scott is clearly getting lynched, she knows it's over. Ok I lied, one quote. Last post of any meaning from her. She is pushing us to find mafia who voted scott. This is actually a very good subtle play here. Point 3: 27nb has CLEARLY been around today. Pops in makes a promise of a big push. I think she does that when she asks why BM lurker voted her. Then she pops in later to ask if we've solved the game, implying there is work yet to do. From this I am 100% certain 27 NB is scum. ## Unvote ## Vote: 27ninjabunnies | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Remember this? On May 25 2015 08:07 sicklucker wrote: If im mafia whos my partner here? everyones voted me at some point of the game now. Me and bunnies would not be that obv. I sapose I could be with bm? why dont you just vote him first On May 25 2015 08:32 sicklucker wrote: Lets say im mafia who here can even be my partner? 2) Tictock like never my partner he has too many petty arguments againt me and votes me 4) plotspot Pushing me today 5) boxerfred acual this one makes some sense good thing im not scum 6) disformation hes pushing/voting me 7) Barakos would I check my team mate? Also probably pushing me im not sure 8) Sulfurus Who cares hes town 9) 27ninjabunnies Dont think we would be that obv 10) Bill Murray Im his only push apparently. I think hes the vote today 11) Breshke woulda rage quit if he was my partner 13) batsnacks pretty sure hes trying to lynch me. I voted him he voted me Wonder why SL is so defensive, yet so persistent that he is town? Why does he drone on about his HUGE filter of one liners and spam? Why does he tell us he is so experienced ans plays 100's of games? SL is the SK. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
first off, I invite you to read his filter, or skim it, with the possibility that he is potential SK in mind. As you said I've been tunneled on SL pretty bad and to be honest I did already reach a conclusion on him. To me it just makes SL's play make too much sense for it to not be the case. And it explains all the points that people have posted about him being scummy. Pretty much until today SL has claimed that he doesn't know who is Mafia or has been unwilling to REALLY push a target. Of course he'll say that he hammered scott for us, but look back and you'll see SL never cared about scott till the moment he could push him into being the majority lynch. Now I'm not saying SL knew scott was Scum at this point, I think he just saw it as a better wagon than Dis and it turned out to hit Mafia. He keeps shoving this in our faces like it makes him the town hero. Main Case Wasn't it odd how N1 SL made that push to get Vig to claim so we could him him shoot? He keeps pushing this idea until I point out the potential of an SK. After that he never mentions it again, nor suggests shots for vig. Seems like now that I've mentioned an SK being possible he doesn't want to voice an opinion. Now put yourself in the shoes of SK given how N1 played out. You'd HAVE to shoot the target town wants here if you want to claim as Vig and ride the game out with town. Remember D1 ended with a mafia kill, if there is a SK they are under as much pressure now as the last scum. I think SL wanted to kill someone night 1 and claim Vig D2. However the majority view was that SL himself was the best target, obv SL cant do that so he doesn't kill. Then as we progress into D2 SL makes several posts related to the fact that there MUST be a mafia TEAM and uses the fact that he has no likely partners as a defense. He also clearly stated how there cannot be an SK because there was no 2nd kill N1. This is easily shown to not be confirmed by reading the SK role in the OP. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Also, in regards to your read on Dis. It's not bad, but to me he's been clearly trying to solve the game, and is just interested in pushing and reaching his own conclusions so stands out sometimes. I'll admit a large part of why I don't think your points on him are valid are because of my experience with Dis (was Town Doc) last game. The same posting traits applied there. He's on his 2nd game in these forums, it makes sense to me. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
At this point given 27nb flips red, then NK's will continue as though they are mafia. SK simply has to survive at that point while making sure town chases Mafia. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
SK waiting to kill is a valid option. Remember they don't want to kill town like scum does, they want the game to go as long as possible while they stay alive. They win with either side. So if someone is acting very close to the line of town/scum doesn't that match with SK goals? Not sure what you mean here On May 26 2015 21:07 plotspot wrote: Tictock is your reasoning that if he establishes himself too hard as town, mafia will just kill him? Wouldn't it better then just to scumhunt hard elimating this sort of threat, instead of playing "what am I?". Also yes Dis is right, I'm out on a limb here. I'm running with it because it makes a lot of sense for what I'm seeing in this game. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
This is from the SK role PM. You can kill one person every night, but you don't have to. You win when you are the last player alive or nothing can prevent this from occurring. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On May 26 2015 21:41 sicklucker wrote: let me explain how to play sk. If towns already killed 1 mafia you dont fucking hold your shot. Mafias losing so you help them out by killing a obv town. As a sk your goal is to kill everyone so holding your shot is always bad. This acualy eliminates experienced players from being the sk if there is one. If there is an sk its going to be one of the new players. Those are also the people spamming that theirs an sk that could be tmi. Your right, I was mixing up with another 3rd party role I'd read where they won with either side. This is probably the first time you've ever bothered to try and explain something to me as well. Clearly I'm off in crazy town. I'll just excuse myself. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
This is D1 all over again... Should be a good sign. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Like, I find it very funny that I posted this here. On May 26 2015 18:25 Tictock wrote: Point 3: 27nb has CLEARLY been around today. Pops in makes a promise of a big push. I think she does that when she asks why BM lurker voted her. Then she pops in later to ask if we've solved the game, implying there is work yet to do. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
His latest read on SL. He starts by taking about a post SL make, says he likes Bre's and Barak's reaction to it, but still seems to support. Here are the reactions he likes even though he seems to be supporting SL's point. Says SL's point is the plausible way of doing things without risk. On May 24 2015 19:02 Breshke wrote: Honeslty noone cares about this. hy is rels mafia. Start scumhunting or just die honestly play the game. On May 24 2015 19:13 Barakos wrote: Pretty sure, he would have been warned, since he posted and this is a newbie-game but whatever... Your logic fails, since nobody would do this, if they actually thought, scott would be modkilled, since him flipping red would make the person pushing for lynching someone different really bad. He pretty weakly skips past Rel's massive case against SL. Makes a point about SL doing his usual cop claim stuff. I think we all know that's actually pretty NAI for SL. Finally admits that he sees SL isn’t paying attention or being deliberately confusing Agrees that the people who got pushed on or mentioned by scott get free town points. + Show Spoiler + Really people need to stop trying to use Scott mentioning them as proof they are town. Does anyone actually buy this point? Talks about SL giving up trying to convince me and SL joking about being masons. Not sure why these are points in his read. No idea what this is telling plots about SL. His last point about SL is also a null point related to Dis. Then his conclusion is a non-conclusion Ok to summarize why I used all this. Things about SL are very shifty. He is walking on the edge. Is there any reason for him to do it when he is not scum? Is there a reason anyone who is town deliberately tries to walk on the edge, when he could pose himself to look more towny? Think about it… Idk doesn't really seem like he's trying to read ans is more still defending SL like he has been, just in a fancier post. Just how I'm seeing this. Posts like this from plots also strike me as odd which is partially why I went back to look at him. On May 27 2015 01:04 plotspot wrote: SL and I might be town partners, but scum partners? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rtucDs4.gif) On May 27 2015 01:16 plotspot wrote: I think I can use this "partners" thing to explain quantum mechanics. "Hey, you see if someone accuses you of being partners with another person, the none of you can make excuses or both of you know it's ridiculous. There nothing in between like one thinks it's true and other thing thinks it's bs. That's quantum mechanics." Neither of those posts say anything of value. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Didn't know you were around. I've stated plenty of times that I think BM is looking pretty scummy for what he's been posting. Your first post, where you vote him, in pretty OMGUS. Then you talk about his one Big post. That post bought him some time, along with some of the other posts he made N1. I agree about all your other points, I'm pretty sure I've said pretty much the same about BM. So, I totally agree BM is likely scum. So @27nb if BM is scum, who do you think his last partner would be? | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Other than being somewhat inactive. Why do you think Sul might be scum? Or is that more a PoE list there? 27nb BM Sul | ||
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