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On May 27 2015 04:03 Tictock wrote:I still say the way plots acts towards SL is pretty strange. His latest read on SL. He starts by taking about a post SL make, says he likes Bre's and Barak's reaction to it, but still seems to support. Here are the reactions he likes even though he seems to be supporting SL's point. Says SL's point is the plausible way of doing things without risk.
Tictock I know you like to make cases against me, but how can you seriously make these elementary basic READING COMPREHENSION mistakes again and again and expect me to waste my time explaining them to you?
This is what I wrote in my case that you read:
I see SL is getting scumrpoints for some strange suggestions about how to handle Scott’s case to which Barakos and Breshke replied and I would have to agree to their opinion. It’s simply the more plausible way to do things, rather than risking it. Starting here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24308265
Like seriously, explain how I agree to SL’s points with this first before I go on to the rest of your points. Are you trolling me now?
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wat? How can I agree to their opinion and at the same time agree to pursue a riskier strategy?
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yea yea Ok just saying, before stuff like that explodes on my face later. yea this game is supposed to be time-consuming, but not if I have to constantly deal with reading mistakes.Man, at least do admit that you read my post superficially or at least always misread some stuff about it.
Ok I'm on the BM and 27nb, will post opinions soon.
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Lol sorry, bunnies is right. BM is like totally ninjavoting her and has disappeared into the dust since then. That looks so bad.
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##VOTE: Bill Murray
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On May 27 2015 04:49 Tictock wrote:
@ plots
tbh man if I'm not reading you correctly, that's your own fault for not stating things more clearly
Okay now back to you Mr. Tictock. While I understand that this might apply to more complicated things. It certainly doesn't apply to misreading "their" into "his" or whatever? Remember, you make a post that you want others to take seriously. Ok I'm not mad, just curious where you made the reading mistake here:
Did you read this original version into:
I see SL is getting scumrpoints for some strange suggestions about how to handle Scott’s case to which Barakos and Breshke replied and I would have to agree to their opinion. It’s simply the more plausible way to do things, rather than risking it. Starting here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24308265
Mistake version A:
I see SL is getting scumrpoints for some strange suggestions about how to handle Scott’s case to which Barakos and Breshke replied and I would have to agree to his opinion. It’s simply the more plausible way to do things, rather than risking it. Starting here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24308265
or Mistake version B:
I see SL is getting scumrpoints for some strange suggestions about how to handle Scott’s case to which Barakos and Breshke replied and I would have to agree to their opinion. But It’s simply the more plausible way to do things, rather than risking it. Starting here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24308265
or Mistake version C:
I see SL is getting scumrpoints for some strange suggestions about how to handle Scott’s case to which Barakos and Breshke replied and I would have to agree to opinion.It’s simply the more plausible way to do things, rather than risking it. Starting here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24308265
or Mistake version D contained in your abrigded version:
On May 27 2015 04:36 Tictock wrote:@plots I could swear this line is referring to SL, not the reactions of others.
I just wanna know, you might be already biased (towards me), which is always dangerous and can naturally lead to this. It's no shame then. Just very normal.
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On May 27 2015 04:48 Tictock wrote:
Yea plots not being focused on EoD is distracting me too.
Yeah and this is funny too, you are the one who makes a "case" about me or rather "prepare in a consistent manner paths to scumread me later" by thinking "somethings are strange". Certainly you do no want to say "I just say it's strange, but disregard it, pretend like I didn't post about it, it has no significance to the game, I actually shouldn't have posted it at all. Bleh how stupid of me".
So you want everyone to focus on the matters of bunnies vs BM at that time, but posts this? Are you serious? Why not wait until after EoD2 if you really care about what you said? And then you blame me for a rather short reply that reflects only a fragment of what I wanted to post for distracting you on the bunnies vs BM matter? This guy, I don't even know.
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On May 27 2015 04:03 Tictock wrote:Then his conclusion is a non-conclusion Show nested quote +Ok to summarize why I used all this. Things about SL are very shifty. He is walking on the edge. Is there any reason for him to do it when he is not scum? Is there a reason anyone who is town deliberately tries to walk on the edge, when he could pose himself to look more towny? Think about it… Idk doesn't really seem like he's trying to read ans is more still defending SL like he has been, just in a fancier post. Just how I'm seeing this.
Ok tell me, have you thought about these two questions like I suggested at the end? Can you answer them?
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Okay, maybe it’s time we talk about this now. I have received a visit from the RB on N1.
I have no idea who did this but, it must be someone who thought I might be scum and checked on it with his night action on N1. Who the hell might do that?
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hahaha not bad dis, I'm just wondering who (in real) scumread me so hard or whatever he thought about me that he tried this move on me.^^
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just for clarification is blue hunting a neutral word or a term people usually only used for mafia?
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On May 27 2015 07:44 Breshke wrote:
Plot what makes you think now is a good time to talk about that
I did this for general clarification. Usually town wants to discuss about town night actions right? But normally it's impossible without endangering the power role or people just are just poking in the dark without any info on the actual setup. Like this we can actually discuss about it. That's what I thought.
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I saw you guys wanted to discuss night actions on N1, but don't even know where to start, because you have no clue about the setup. So like this we know the setup, but it doesn't really help mafia.
Unlike cop or veg, where it's simply impossible to discuss their actions unless someone actually claims such a role and endangers himself to the NK by mafia.
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Sorry, I have like no experience with this. I was just like wtf? I considered revealing this later too, but I also see some benefits of revealing it now, so I did.
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I know what you're thinking. Like wtf is this guy doing? Is he making this stuff up about the RB? Can anyone who was actually blocked confirm this shit? But it's as simple as that.
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On May 27 2015 13:30 Tictock wrote:Here I'll show you how it's done You posted I read this and it tells me that you agree with SL's point you linked Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 18:59 sicklucker wrote:
If i was mafia partners with scott heres what I would do. I would come into the thread near the vote, tell everyone that scott did not vote and will probably be mod killed ( which is acualy something that would have happened) and pushed the vote on a town 1) You say you like SL's reasoning because 2) You also say Correct? + Show Spoiler +If so, please reread what I said again. On May 27 2015 04:03 Tictock wrote:He starts by taking about a post SL make, says he likes Bre's and Barak's reaction to it, but still seems to support. Here are the reactions he likes even though he seems to be supporting SL's point. Says SL's point is the plausible way of doing things without risk. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 19:02 Breshke wrote:On May 24 2015 18:59 sicklucker wrote:
If i was mafia partners with scott heres what I would do. I would come into the thread near the vote, tell everyone that scott did not vote and will probably be mod killed ( which is acualy something that would have happened) and pushed the vote on a town Honeslty noone cares about this. hy is rels mafia. Start scumhunting or just die honestly play the game. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 19:13 Barakos wrote:
Pretty sure, he would have been warned, since he posted and this is a newbie-game but whatever...
Your logic fails, since nobody would do this, if they actually thought, scott would be modkilled, since him flipping red would make the person pushing for lynching someone different really bad. My point? You cannot agree with SL Bre and Barak here. Bre and Barak are clearly against SL'd logic. If not please explain where my reading comprehension falls apart.
It falls about because you don't connect the bolded parts together.
On May 26 2015 11:04 plotspot wrote:I see SL is getting scumrpoints for some strange suggestions about how to handle Scott’s case to which Barakos and Breshke replied and I would have to agree to their opinion. It’s simply the more plausible way to do things, rather than risking it. Starting here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24308265
If I wanted to say what you said I did. It would obviously use one of the version I pointed out to you to avoid ambiguity:
version A:
I see SL is getting scumrpoints for some strange suggestions about how to handle Scott’s case to which Barakos and Breshke replied and I would have to agree to his opinion. It’s simply the more plausible way to do things, rather than risking it. Starting here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24308265
version B:
I see SL is getting scumrpoints for some strange suggestions about how to handle Scott’s case to which Barakos and Breshke replied and I would have to agree to their opinion. But It’s simply the more plausible way to do things, rather than risking it. Starting here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24308265
And I also said "starting here". This is signaling a sequence. This post of SL started the interaction with Breshke and Barakos. Otherwise I would have used "here" or "I mean this post", something that indicates one post only which I for example did here:
In another example I also used "starting here":
for a sequence of interaction that SL had with Dis.
That's why I said you're biased or tunneled or something. Because any objectively normal thinking person would have used this logical sequence rather than yours. The thing is, if there was any doubt as to how I meant it (and I'm certain you had your doubts, you just don't want to openly admit it), because you said yourself that it was strange how I agree to both at the same time when they are contradictory opinions, you weren't interested in asking me directly about it. You just used it to support your case of "hey guys, look this guy makes such a confusing post, but I can't bother to clarify it with him first, because If I did I can't use it for my case anymore."
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Anyway Tictock, you still haven't answered my question here, please do so.
On May 27 2015 06:16 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2015 04:03 Tictock wrote:Then his conclusion is a non-conclusion Ok to summarize why I used all this. Things about SL are very shifty. He is walking on the edge. Is there any reason for him to do it when he is not scum? Is there a reason anyone who is town deliberately tries to walk on the edge, when he could pose himself to look more towny? Think about it… Idk doesn't really seem like he's trying to read ans is more still defending SL like he has been, just in a fancier post. Just how I'm seeing this. Ok tell me, have you thought about these two questions like I suggested at the end? Can you answer them?
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EBWOP:
I also said "rather than risking it". Like, is there any doubt as to whether Breskhe and Barakos's handling the situation of Scott is the totally riskless way and SL's version is the way risking his (Scott's) lynch by speculating on a modkill?
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Now here is me setting something up to get you to be lynched later.
"blah blah. Though I did read TT town earlier .. blah blah, by now I have to relook bla blah, he keeps on tunneling me bla blah, a normal townie would have backed out by now ... bla blah he must have a very big ego blah blah ... or he might be scum... blah blah... hmm blah blah, I'm not so sure... because earlier ... hmm blah blah... but yeah I'm starting to lean on him as scum... blah blah *more made up reasonings*... blah blah."
I'm waiting when someone is going to quote this post. Pointing out strange behavior or some stuff. Like 100% that will happen in the future, with some clever wording and counter-logics. I'll just wait and see.
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No really I insist, it's just two questions. You'd be fair to answer them, after you asked so many things from me. They contain keys to what I really think SL is, why would you not try? Give me some answers, or are you afraid that the more answers you give the more holes people can poke into your logics?
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Don't worry I figured out the spirit of this game, though whether I agree to it is something different. People in this game just try the save their fucking skin most of the time, by applying certain sure-fire mechanics to avoid suspicion.
These sure fire mechanics include:
1. Always write our your reasoning. Ninjavoting like BM is bad. BM, now that is he town, it's obvious he doesn't care, he makes some internal reasoning as to why bunnies is scum and just votes her. Why does he always have to detail out what he thinks? LOL exactly, because otherwise he'd just get lynched like that
2. Prepare your reads by progressing them. Never jump from this guy is town to this guy is scum in the next post, although you obviously have your own reasoning and didn't want to publish them. Always start saying you find this or that suspicious, then it's easier to say later "see I am consistent, I already had that thought earlier". yeah right.
3. Be as vague as possible but not too vague, so that it can get you into trouble. By saying "I don't know" "I think it's like that" "just my opinion" "I like that" "I don't like that" "I am not sure of what to make from that" you are on the right track, but just don't pushi this technique too hard.
4. Be detached as possible: Don't let yourself get emotionally involved. Just ignore the guy pushing you. Make up reasons for it if you want. Be cool.
5. Shift the focus to something "more important". Yeah you're a tight spot after some misslip. Tell the other guys to focus on more importanat matters, like "finding scum". If he doesn't that it looks good for you because you're trying to find scum, and is not. Lol
6. Ask questions. Right. Buy yourself time, ask the other guys something, let him make the effort. It's most likely he makes mistakes when he writes more than you.
anything else I forgot or don't know about, please this is so interesting
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