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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 01 2015 23:08 GMT
#2401
boxer if you dont see why im town... then you get to die first
Barakos
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany358 Posts
June 01 2015 23:09 GMT
#2402
disregard this about sl being confirmed... in the end the vote was between sl and bunnies... yet he still looks better than the rest of the unconfirmeds... or this is just me being pocketed because he actually treated tictock properly.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 01 2015 23:14 GMT
#2403
if me and bunniers were mafia together the vote would be between bunnies/boxer
it was me and bunnies fighting that made it between me and bunnies

anyway this games over wont be posting much see you post ggame
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 01 2015 23:19 GMT
#2404
and I pushed bunnies all game (bats saved her d2 and d3) and I hammered scott.

I killed two mafia like im sure the mafia has to get me lynched to win. but if you guys humor him and put scum on me ill lose my damn mind
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 01 2015 23:22 GMT
#2405
there was two mafia on me. bunnies was in tryhaard mode
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
June 01 2015 23:42 GMT
#2406
On June 02 2015 07:37 Barakos wrote:
Also plots finally and undeniably confirmed town rb, like some cool dude named barakos told you from the start.


You know, there was a time when I thought you were scum. Because if you are town and was REALLY interested in saving my skin, you just say you lied (although you really were blocked) just so people lynch you and then see early that I'm Town RB. If you have done that, I'd read you 100% town immediately, because if I am Town RB I'd think "why the guy lied? I RBed him 100%). Mafia and Town might be able to perform lvl 1 WIFOM, but this lvl 2 WIFOM I don't think any scum would try, it's way too risky for mafia, as mafia you'd have to rely on me explaining this logic to town and they'd have to understand it to save your skin, while they are confused as hell as to what is what. More likely town will just ignore me and go for lynching you anyway. But if you survived with this ploy as mafia, you're even more established as a town because you're putting on a great risk when you're not only thinking 50% I save plot, 50% I save myself, but 100% I save plots for longterm town benefit.

So have you considered this option and still went for the 50-50 version? I guess there are some benefits to it, especially if we can just play the normal way of lynching scum, then just forfeit your life for a confirm, which could be done in other ways, like today.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
June 01 2015 23:45 GMT
#2407
EBWOP... normal way of lynching scum, THAN just forfeit your life for a confirm, which could be done in other ways, like today.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
June 02 2015 00:12 GMT
#2408
Guys I think it doesn't matter anymore.

1. I RB dis, if he is mafia. No kills tonight. If he was town, I die. Dis, Barakos and Tictock just lynch SL or boxerfred. Mislynch on D5? One of you three will get killed on N5. Day 6 you lynch the other guy. Town wins.

2. I RB dis, dis is town. No NK happening, because Mafia holds their shot to mislynch dis or dis holds his own shot to WIFOM me? No problem, we just lynch Dis anyway on Day 5. N5 I RB Boxerfred or SL. Depending on what happens you apply 1 or 2 or 3 to the problem. Town wins.

3. I RB dis, they kill him. We lynch SL or boxerfred D5. Mislynch? I RB the other guy. We lynch the other guy on D6. Town wins.

Anything I overlooked? Please point it out to me, it might be crucial.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 02 2015 00:27 GMT
#2409
oh ya plots say who you roleblock since your dying 100% now
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 02 2015 00:29 GMT
#2410
anyworld where plots/barkos are mafia is pretty much impossible now since they both voted bunnies over me. If tictock still pushes that world we could totally spite lynch him now for fun since we cant lose
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
June 02 2015 01:13 GMT
#2411
Maybe you guys haven't understood what I mean yet.
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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 02 2015 01:21 GMT
#2412
ya I get it plots no shit. apparently mafia doesint because they didnt concede yet
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 04:39 GMT
#2413
Well, yep I was wrong. No issues admitting it, Bara 100% town. Kicking myself all the harder for not staying on 27nb D2. Live and learn.

I still feel like there is something weird going on this game. I've been bothered by the whole RB thing this whole time kus the setup is so weird with that in. Probably why I fell in love with the idea of Plots and Bara, it made the setup normal.

You're all going to hate me here... and I don't care... but I still think plots could be scum here. Mafia having 2 RB makes as much sense to me as Town having RB, Cop, and Masons. I'm prob being silly here, it's just that his claim really was weak and his RB targets have been so bad. I'd be willing to let the idea go if people were actually able to help me explain his thinking as Town RB. I still think my questions about his RB's I posed at EoD are valid. + Show Spoiler +
I've stated several times that without good reasoning I have a hard time buying his claim. Still haven't seen that reasoning, just a bunch of fairly weak arguments that don't make much sense given plots overall play.


Anyways, Good Job town for getting scum today. I am very happy with this result ^.^
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 04:53 GMT
#2414
Also, lol at plots always trying to get that last post in EoD.

You're going to get yourself modkilled dude. Your lucky cake is going easy on ya.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 07:35 GMT
#2415
My mind keeps drifting back to this point in the game tonight.

On June 01 2015 14:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2015 12:49 Tictock wrote:
@27nb

I was, but stopped when people didn't want to listen to my ideas. Clearly town prefers to have no plan, than a solid case. Oh and good luck with plots, he's a dodgy one.

I'd like to lynch mafia, so even though my case is on plots RB role being fake, I'm fine going with Bara first. Idk why people want to keep the worst Town RB in history around, but w/e.

##Unvote

##Vote: Barakos


They both have


Why Bara?

He's a greencheck


27nb stayed FAR away from my theories when I was tunneled on plots, yet when I switch to Bara she is all over pushing my case.

If both plots and Bara were town, wouldn't she have supported my WHOLE case? Instead she is only willing to talk to me about it when I suggest Bara as a target over plots.

Call me tunneled if you want, but I will never stop asking questions. I don't believe this game ever has "auto-lynch" conditions (maybe in some rare cases when you get the right combo of blue roles), I'd much rather keep thinking than be lazy and try and find ways to play the game without reasoning. I mean... whats the point of the game if not to challenge our thinking?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 07:40 GMT
#2416
In that vein of thought.

Anyone care to share their current thoughts on Dis and BF? I'm not seeing scum on them, but my own thinking is clearly biased.

SL as always plays that fine line between shitty town with bad ideas and scum pushing bad ideas. Honestly I don't think my views on him will ever change at this point, even beyond the scope of this one game ...
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 08:06 GMT
#2417
Rather than drone on about reads or my thoughts on this game. I'd instead like to share some general food for thought tonight.

I was first attracted to Mafia for the idea of a game that revolves around critical thought. The very notion of a game that revolves around discussion and deception caught my attention. Clearly I am a argumentative person, I enjoy a good exchange of thoughts. When 2 people argue with each other, as long as they do not get lost in personal attacks, they each learn about the other.

That is the essence of Mafia to me. An exchange of ideas leading to conclusions about others motivations in the game. It is also why I have been constantly asking town for it's thoughts and ideas, and most especially reasoning behind things. Something which I find very few people here willing to share.

That's been a real letdown to me, and is the main reason why I've been getting frustrated this game. I honestly don't care if you think I'm right or wrong, I am always capable of both, what I am interested is what YOU think about my ideas. You can tell me my ideas are shit, and you don't like them. That's valid, but it also shows no thinking. In a game like this, a lack of thinking will always lead you down the wrong path.

I need to remember these things as well. We all can get tunneled and fall in love with our own thinking to the point where we see nothing else. That is always a danger. However, in my mind, tunneling is still better than abandoning thinking at all. That is why I have been pushing for Reasoning, and Thought for so much of the last 2 days.

It is my firm belief, that in a game of mafia, a town that stops thinking is a town that is doomed to be picked apart. Maybe you can get away with it once and awhile, but it is a dangerous habit to fall into.

Just for fun, some quotes that have always stuck with me in my life and are why I put such value into reasoning.
+ Show Spoiler +

Thinking isn't agreeing or disagreeing. That's voting.

-Robert Frost (a poet I've enjoyed reading since 1st grade)

If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.

-George S. Patton

All the problems of the world could be settled easily if men were only willing to think. The trouble is that men very often resort to all sorts of devices in order not to think, because thinking is such hard work.

-Thomas J. Watson (actually I'm not sure if I really agree with this one, but I do find the 2nd line to be true)

Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking.

-Albert Einstein (how can I not quote the Big Man of Thought?)


-End Rant-
I can take that responsibility.
Barakos
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany358 Posts
June 02 2015 09:26 GMT
#2418
On June 02 2015 16:35 Tictock wrote:
My mind keeps drifting back to this point in the game tonight.

Show nested quote +
On June 01 2015 14:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 01 2015 12:49 Tictock wrote:
@27nb

I was, but stopped when people didn't want to listen to my ideas. Clearly town prefers to have no plan, than a solid case. Oh and good luck with plots, he's a dodgy one.

I'd like to lynch mafia, so even though my case is on plots RB role being fake, I'm fine going with Bara first. Idk why people want to keep the worst Town RB in history around, but w/e.

##Unvote

##Vote: Barakos


They both have


Why Bara?

He's a greencheck


27nb stayed FAR away from my theories when I was tunneled on plots, yet when I switch to Bara she is all over pushing my case.

If both plots and Bara were town, wouldn't she have supported my WHOLE case? Instead she is only willing to talk to me about it when I suggest Bara as a target over plots.

Call me tunneled if you want, but I will never stop asking questions. I don't believe this game ever has "auto-lynch" conditions (maybe in some rare cases when you get the right combo of blue roles), I'd much rather keep thinking than be lazy and try and find ways to play the game without reasoning. I mean... whats the point of the game if not to challenge our thinking?


this isn't even true... she actually asked you about the possibility of plots being a 2nd mafia-roleblocker somewhere in D4. You just didn't respond.

the only possibility of scum out of disfo, sl, and bf is if your claim is fake and there isn't a 2nd mason... which has happened before, but I doubt this will happen in a newbie-game, that's why everybody is so fing sure, that you are town despite your stupid tunneling on plots and me.

You have been proven wrong on one of your leading scumreads... your second scumread is confirmed town by setup, too... your theory of there not even being a 2nd roleblocker is shattered to pieces. You have basically been wrong for more than 3 days. Maybe, just maybe you should start thinking about your townreads.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
June 02 2015 09:49 GMT
#2419
SL, why do you get so hard on me now? In case you're wondering if I am bunnies potential scum ally, here you go:

D2: I voted bunnies. My vote would have gotten her lynched (it gave her the majority at this point). Bats switched.
D3: I voted bunnies. My vote would help kill a scum member. I didn't switch although the claimed cop gave me an easy excuse to switch (if I was scum a member that is). Disinformation switched though, claiming he "flipped a coin".
D4: I unvote bunnies, making no difference at all, not even trying to (since it was literally a last minute change).

Barakos is a green check, Tictocks. Only case where he'd be scum would be in a GF + GF + RB scenario.
However, you tryharding really makes me reconsider the idea of having two masons by now. I PM'ed the host, it's possible there's only one mason is.

I want Plots to RB me this night. If nothing happens, boom I'm scum. If someone dies, oh look I'm not scum and we can go for auto in between SL and Disinformation. If it turns out that there is only one mason in (in breshke), well fuck. But tbh I don't think so. I really want to be confirmed as town. It's between Disinfo and SL (it's not like I said this on D2 and D3).


Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 09:59 GMT
#2420
I was intending to leave this game alone until morning, but I can't keep my mind from turning.

I figured I'd look through 27nb's filter and see if there was anything telling about it now that we know she was scum.

At first I didn't see a whole lot worthwhile. I mean that's kinda why she was being scumread D2, and most of her filter is from D3 onwards anyways.

Most of D3 she just restates thoughts stated before her, and I did notice she talks a lot about plots. At first I started thinking, well she'd never scum her own partner like this so plots has to be town.

However I remembered 27 making this post as well.
On May 28 2015 09:51 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Would there be 2 mafia prs in a roleblocker and godfather?

If so, then yeah, you cant believe the cop checks.

She is willing to risk outing herself, to look more towny. That's actually fairly telling. It shows desperation.

I also noticed early D3 27nb was going along with the thread in speculation on roles. She actually hits the idea of of plots being a possible Mafia RB a few times in her posts and while she goes back and forth on the idea she seems to not quite believe plots claim. Again, I think well geez there she goes proving he's not her partner, why would she push him if they were the scum team?.

So yea my stuff on plots looks pretty bad at this point. Someone who is now confirmed scum was sheeping my thoughts about plots being scummy.

However... when it came to EoD this is what 27nb posts.
On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.

I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.

##Vote:Sulfurus
I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm.


I remember getting really pissed off at her for this post, and told her she clearly didn't give a shit.
On May 30 2015 00:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Lol how is what I posted not caring?

At the time I didn't know why I cared so much, but now I'm realizing it was kus I thought she was town at this point in the game and had shared my opinions. So the fact that she just dropped that line of thinking so suddenly served to further my frustration about people not taking my reads seriously.

Then D4 I see her posting stuff like this again.
On May 31 2015 07:18 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2015 07:15 plotspot wrote:
I can't prove it anymore, I decided to listen to SL and blocked him, because I did believe that we could actually have 2 Masons.


Are you dumb?

Why would block someone who asked to be blocked?!

If he is mafia, he just has his partner do kp instead of him.

The whole point of a town rb is to rb mafia from delivering KP.

You have failed your job. And I really want to lynch you because you very well might be another mafia RB.

Again, shes showing that they could not be partners since she clearly agrees with my thinking about plots' weak as hell blocks. Like the block against bats was super bad, I can't believe anyone would have suddenly thought he might have been scum over everyone else.

Finally after all of D4, 27nb finally agrees to sheep my vote, like she's been sheeping my thinking... but ONLY when I switch to Bara!

Most of the past 2 day phases 27nb was saying
On May 30 2015 05:59 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Im not defendng because i have to go to work, and im kinda worn out by this game.

If you lynch me, you lynch me, but you are lynching a green check, which is dumb.

I've repeatedly said to lynch outside of greens and look into other people outside of blues.

but nooooooooooooo.

Lynch the greencheck

dumb

or something along those lines. Suddenly she drops this thinking when she votes on Bara. That was actually a move that got a few of you to vote for her. It was risky as hell when you think about it, why did she do it then?

I can't help but note that while 27nb clearly suggests my line of thinking on plots was good, she never was willing to vote him. If plots was town, and I made my case, wouldn't 27nb have kept pushing it with me? Possibly even helping convince more people to my case, kinda like how she did EoD4?


Yet she only made that move when I swapped to Bara, even though I clearly still held my thoughts about plots. It never made sense to me that I should target Bara if my case was about plots. I really only made my case about Bara to show that I was willing to think outside of plots being scum. I thought my case on Bara was far weaker then what I've been saying on plots, yet that was the case scum was willing to push.
I can take that responsibility.
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