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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 10:00 GMT
#2421
@ Bara

Hows that?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 10:03 GMT
#2422
Like seriously guys, HELP ME OUT OF MY TUNNEL!


Tell me what Town RB plots is thinking...
On June 02 2015 02:45 Tictock wrote:
So explain to me SL.

How does tryhard Chart making Plots, think Rels is Scum?

How does tryhard super tunneled (like so many of us) plots give such bad reasons for RBing Bara?

How does ANYONE listen to you N3 and RB Bats?

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 10:04 GMT
#2423
Also as I've stated before, if you have doubts about me being a Mason I implore you to ask me questions, or ask town questions.

Just like I'm doing with plots.

This is a two way street.
I can take that responsibility.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 02 2015 10:05 GMT
#2424
On June 02 2015 16:35 Tictock wrote:
My mind keeps drifting back to this point in the game tonight.

Show nested quote +
On June 01 2015 14:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 01 2015 12:49 Tictock wrote:
@27nb

I was, but stopped when people didn't want to listen to my ideas. Clearly town prefers to have no plan, than a solid case. Oh and good luck with plots, he's a dodgy one.

I'd like to lynch mafia, so even though my case is on plots RB role being fake, I'm fine going with Bara first. Idk why people want to keep the worst Town RB in history around, but w/e.

##Unvote

##Vote: Barakos


They both have


Why Bara?

He's a greencheck


27nb stayed FAR away from my theories when I was tunneled on plots, yet when I switch to Bara she is all over pushing my case.

If both plots and Bara were town, wouldn't she have supported my WHOLE case? Instead she is only willing to talk to me about it when I suggest Bara as a target over plots.

Call me tunneled if you want, but I will never stop asking questions. I don't believe this game ever has "auto-lynch" conditions (maybe in some rare cases when you get the right combo of blue roles), I'd much rather keep thinking than be lazy and try and find ways to play the game without reasoning. I mean... whats the point of the game if not to challenge our thinking?



na your case is just so wild that she would look scummy for supporting it . (and she kind of did to some extent)
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 02 2015 10:05 GMT
#2425
On June 02 2015 16:40 Tictock wrote:
In that vein of thought.

Anyone care to share their current thoughts on Dis and BF? I'm not seeing scum on them, but my own thinking is clearly biased.

SL as always plays that fine line between shitty town with bad ideas and scum pushing bad ideas. Honestly I don't think my views on him will ever change at this point, even beyond the scope of this one game ...


not even after I killed two mafia...?
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 10:06 GMT
#2426
@ SL
Give me thoughts or arguments.

Otherwise I will ignore you.

Your ego is not up for discussion.
I can take that responsibility.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 02 2015 10:08 GMT
#2427
On June 02 2015 18:49 boxerfred wrote:
SL, why do you get so hard on me now? In case you're wondering if I am bunnies potential scum ally, here you go:

D2: I voted bunnies. My vote would have gotten her lynched (it gave her the majority at this point). Bats switched.
D3: I voted bunnies. My vote would help kill a scum member. I didn't switch although the claimed cop gave me an easy excuse to switch (if I was scum a member that is). Disinformation switched though, claiming he "flipped a coin".
D4: I unvote bunnies, making no difference at all, not even trying to (since it was literally a last minute change).

Barakos is a green check, Tictocks. Only case where he'd be scum would be in a GF + GF + RB scenario.
However, you tryharding really makes me reconsider the idea of having two masons by now. I PM'ed the host, it's possible there's only one mason is.

I want Plots to RB me this night. If nothing happens, boom I'm scum. If someone dies, oh look I'm not scum and we can go for auto in between SL and Disinformation. If it turns out that there is only one mason in (in breshke), well fuck. But tbh I don't think so. I really want to be confirmed as town. It's between Disinfo and SL (it's not like I said this on D2 and D3).




I have always said disinfo would be bunnies likely partner. I just thought you were with disinfo ;p
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 10:12 GMT
#2428
On June 02 2015 19:05 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2015 16:35 Tictock wrote:
My mind keeps drifting back to this point in the game tonight.

On June 01 2015 14:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 01 2015 12:49 Tictock wrote:
@27nb

I was, but stopped when people didn't want to listen to my ideas. Clearly town prefers to have no plan, than a solid case. Oh and good luck with plots, he's a dodgy one.

I'd like to lynch mafia, so even though my case is on plots RB role being fake, I'm fine going with Bara first. Idk why people want to keep the worst Town RB in history around, but w/e.

##Unvote

##Vote: Barakos


They both have


Why Bara?

He's a greencheck


27nb stayed FAR away from my theories when I was tunneled on plots, yet when I switch to Bara she is all over pushing my case.

If both plots and Bara were town, wouldn't she have supported my WHOLE case? Instead she is only willing to talk to me about it when I suggest Bara as a target over plots.

Call me tunneled if you want, but I will never stop asking questions. I don't believe this game ever has "auto-lynch" conditions (maybe in some rare cases when you get the right combo of blue roles), I'd much rather keep thinking than be lazy and try and find ways to play the game without reasoning. I mean... whats the point of the game if not to challenge our thinking?



na your case is just so wild that she would look scummy for supporting it . (and she kind of did to some extent)


She did support it, that's my point. But she was only willing to vote with my arguments against Bara, even though she stated similar thoughts to me against plots.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 10:15 GMT
#2429
@ Bara

Let me clarify my question to you.

How is it that plots is confirmed town?

Also do you honestly believe I'm failing to think here? See my post regarding 27nb's filter on pg 121.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 10:21 GMT
#2430
I know that I'm likely tunneled here guys.

So help me! Tell me WHY I'm wrong. Not just that I'm wrong. I know i could be wrong, but i want to know why.

What is Town RB plots thinking?

How does tryhard Chart making Plots, think Rels is Scum?

How does tryhard super tunneled (like so many of us) plots give such bad reasons for RBing Bara?

How does ANYONE listen to you N3 and RB Bats?
I can take that responsibility.
Barakos
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany358 Posts
June 02 2015 10:27 GMT
#2431
You are tunneling on plots that's not thinking, that's bending posts to your case. Same way you ignored the flaws in your predictions about what would happen N3/D4, same way you managed to see similarities between my game here and my scumgame few months ago, which read totally different... I could go on with that list.

If plots was mafia it is rb, rb, gf vs a single cop + masons. 3 roles, that render cop useless, out of which 1 doesn't even need to target the cop... no way, anybody lets such a setup get through balance-approval. If you don't believe me, look at the setups of some of the other 13p-games on this site, or maybe read some setup-generator-theroy here, to get an idea, what a balanced setup looks like. Will stop talking to you about this.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 10:32 GMT
#2432
On June 02 2015 19:27 Barakos wrote:
You are tunneling on plots that's not thinking, that's bending posts to your case. Same way you ignored the flaws in your predictions about what would happen N3/D4, same way you managed to see similarities between my game here and my scumgame few months ago, which read totally different... I could go on with that list.


I actually never read that game ^.^ I was completely using plots own argument as to why he was reading scum on you and RB'd you. What do you think about that?


If plots was mafia it is rb, rb, gf vs a single cop + masons. 3 roles, that render cop useless, out of which 1 doesn't even need to target the cop... no way, anybody lets such a setup get through balance-approval. If you don't believe me, look at the setups of some of the other 13p-games on this site, or maybe read some setup-generator-theroy here, to get an idea, what a balanced setup looks like. Will stop talking to you about this.


I admit that I dont really know how setup stuff work, especially when balancing.

Is a setup like this: Masons, Cop, RB vs Goon, RB, GF
any more likely than what you are suggesting?

I honestly don't know when the setup gets wonky like that. Thats why I was so keen on the idea of you being GF. Kus then town was just Cop and Masons, with a normal scum team.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 10:36 GMT
#2433
Like, what if it's 2 mafia RBs, who are weak. 1shot RB's?

What if plots used his only real RB on you to allow him to claim Town RB?

That looks like a balanced setup according to that link.

This is the stuff we need to consider if the setup is weird.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 10:39 GMT
#2434
On June 02 2015 19:36 Tictock wrote:
Like, what if it's 2 mafia RBs, who are weak. 1shot RB's?

What if plots used his only real RB on you to allow him to claim Town RB?

That looks like a balanced setup according to that link.

This is the stuff we need to consider if the setup is weird.


N/m double checked OP. It doesn't look like RBs can be weak this game.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 10:53 GMT
#2435
@ Bara

I'm trying to understand how to use that site.

If I'm reading it right, if our game got rolled into having 2 RBs, either 2 for Mafia or 1 for each side, then that means one of those RB's has to be weak right?

It also seems to suggest that a single mason setup is considered the same as an Innocent Child role. That would suggest Bre has to have a partner mason.

So following what we know, there are 2 RBs this game, a GF, a Cop, and 2 Masons.

That would mean that the likely setup for Scum is (according to that link)
T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

Am I using that right?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 10:57 GMT
#2436
I'm also noticing this at the top of the mechanics part of that page.
This setup uses a Daystart


Our game used a N0 start, right?
I can take that responsibility.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
June 02 2015 11:00 GMT
#2437
On June 02 2015 19:53 Tictock wrote:
@ Bara

I'm trying to understand how to use that site.

If I'm reading it right, if our game got rolled into having 2 RBs, either 2 for Mafia or 1 for each side, then that means one of those RB's has to be weak right?

It also seems to suggest that a single mason setup is considered the same as an Innocent Child role. That would suggest Bre has to have a partner mason.

So following what we know, there are 2 RBs this game, a GF, a Cop, and 2 Masons.

That would mean that the likely setup for Scum is (according to that link)
T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

Am I using that right?


You're on the right track TT. There are no setups with 2 Mafia RB.
But what we know you are Masons with Breshke, and there was a Cop. So the setup is rolled:

CC = 1 Cop
MM = 2 Masons
B = RB
TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

so it is totally possible for 1 Cop, 2 Masons, 1 RB and Goon, Mafia RB and 1 GF.
Barakos
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany358 Posts
June 02 2015 11:01 GMT
#2438
We don't know, what cakepie used to create the setup. It just gives you an idea, of what balance could look like, so don't start searching for sks this game, please.

Our setup-seed would have been BBCCMMT
which gives roleblocker, masons and cop to town
the single T gives rb, gf, goon to mafia and adds a sk to the game

And single mason is different to innocent child, because innocent child gets announced at the start of the game.
Barakos
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany358 Posts
June 02 2015 11:03 GMT
#2439
And our game used a d1 start. N0 start would mean, that there was an extra nightkill / copcheck / roleblock.
We had 1day preparation-time, because of the possibility, that there could be a sk in the game.
Barakos
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany358 Posts
June 02 2015 11:05 GMT
#2440
And once again, it is highly likely that this generator wasn't even used.
Use it to get an idea about the setup-possibilites but don't think this game defenitly used it.

Also: plots doing all he can, to raise further suspicions and uses the generator wrong! Yay! \o/
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