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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
1) To poke and get reads, SL himself claimed this 2) Keeps them from being clear target to Mafia, possible way to hide as a role 3) Playstyle choice, makes your scum game more in line with town game. #3 is my assessment of SL, though 1 is valid. I know SL is not a role this game, least not a town role... | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Gunna take a lesson from BM and bugger off. Dis is still town and @ Dis about the waffling, me too.... | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
The whole SK thing was some tinfoil hat theory that I liked too much and took seriously. I suggest we go back to ignoring it until we at least find more scum. I get your thinking on Dis, but to me that's just a sign on him being a new player and not being sure of his own reads. You could probably make this argument about me, but I like pushing what I see pretty hard. Lets for a moment put aside our thoughts about Dis and SL. Who are you fairly confident is town? Where do you think we should look for scum in our shortening list of players? | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Who are you fairly confident is town? Where do you think we should look for scum in our shortening list of players? | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
While I think 27nb is very likely scum, I don't mind the questions she posted so I'm posting them again. On May 27 2015 09:52 27ninjabunnies wrote: How does this make plots confirmed town? Mafia role blocker died day 1. If he got blocked n1 its a town sided roleblock Therefore it doesnt confirm him as town, just states he got clocked | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On May 27 2015 21:06 sicklucker wrote: Being a role is still in my range here plz  I know i wont get nked so ima brag about itAlmost missed this, made me laugh pretty good. Ok it's a remote possibility, I'd be a fool to say I understand SL's play. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I'm actually hard claiming Village Idiot here | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
The rest we can sort out after more flips. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
How about, -your D1 vote had very poor reasoning behind it and you've refused to explain it -Since EoD1 you have never given any indication that you are trying to solve the game -The only thing you did since EoD1 of note was that you pushed for BM to save your own skin Would be interested to hear you explain your stance on Dis at this point in the game, and how you got there from your D1 reasoning. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
First things first, farewell to Breshke one of our town masons. 2nd off, I really don't think town RB should claim, maybe I'm wrong here but wouldn't Town RB be the strongest role in a cop, mason, RB town setup? Town RB claiming will make them a sure fire target tonight, seems to me town RB will want to hold off claiming as long as possible to avoid being NK'd and allowing potential blocks of NKs. Masons seem like a weakish role. I don't see much reason why the remaining mason shouldn't claim as it will help confirm one more town. I notice SL and Dis are expecting me to claim mason. Honestly though, I feel like if I were a role wouldn't I be in the best position to not claim? Like most people are reading me as town anyway, if I were to claim a role it wouldn't really narrow things down at the moment. Also, why the hell is plots trying to No Lynch? | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
We just mislynched BM for being inactive and Sul has actually been more useful than BM, so why is he the best target? Bara also pointed out earlier that Mafia would love to keep using inactives to keep town off their tail... This really feels like that. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
carried away by SK nonsense, that is clearly false now Ok we have Bre as the only confirmed role since he flipped mason. There is a strong possibility of a town role blocker, but I don't see why it would be impossible for mafia to have 2 RBs it's not very likely but I don't want to rule it out just yet. Bats claiming Cop is interesting, and it makes sense with how he's been playing. However, there is the (admittedly slim) possibility of Bats and 27nb being scum partners and them pushing inactives for their 3 needed mislynches. Also, if we assume that town has Masons, a Cop, and a RB it seems VERY likely that mafia would have a GF and means we can't trust the cop checks 100%. I know I'm getting a bit WIFOM here, but this is what is running through my head and are all things town needs to keep in mind. Town really needs to lynch Scum today because we are starting to loose our ground so I just want us to really think through the options now. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
You still need to explain your thinking on Dis. I was not the only one who didn't like your reasoning D1, so telling me to reread it is not a valid deflection. | ||
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United States6052 Posts
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
I'd rather try and figure stuff out. Besides didn't you fill up enough of your filter with that stuff? | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Sul opens with his response to SL's QT stuff and 27nb's, immediately pushes Breshke for his pressure on SL. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 10:24 Sulfurus wrote: @sicklucker is it not normal for the mafia QT to be open during pregame b/c if it is you shouldn't have made that dumbtell also ##Vote: Breshke On May 22 2015 11:34 Sulfurus wrote: @NinjaBunnies the most important point in this game so far is when Breshke 1st stared pushing on Sicklucker since the conflict between the two has defined the entire game. Speaking of that, Breshke is my top scum since he continuously pushes against Sicklucker with very bad reasoning (#159 he complains that he has disappeared and hasn't thought critically only 3 hours into the game) I also scum read Murray due to his weak and untrue accusation against Dis in post #191 which made me think Sick is town since he tried Bandwagoning on him but he has since rescinded his vote. Calls out SL for contradicting himself a little + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 11:39 Sulfurus wrote: @sicklucker I think you are executing this rxn test very poorly since you just congratulated me on having "the best post in the thread" which you probably wouldn't do to some1 you have a red on. Swaps vote from Bre to BM. Gives good reasons why he is swapping. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 13:07 Sulfurus wrote: Unvote Breshke ##Vote: Bill Murray I am actually astonished at how Murray can make so many posts with out providing anything of value on top of the fact that he has pushed every one of his agenda's in a scummy manner. In posts 231 - 235 Breshke defends himself and Plotspot in a towny way and reading back Sicklucker is less towny than I thought so Breshke is no longer my top mafia. Gives more of a townread on Bre, then unvotes BM. His reasons here seem fairly poor + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2015 07:19 Sulfurus wrote: Breshke is definitely more town than I thought, he defended plotspot (I don't care how he did it just that he did at all) and I've realized that his tunnel on SL is pro-town since he got he put pressure on someone who is a hard read. I completely misunderstood what this post meant I thought it was BM saying the Dis hadn't done anything this game. That combined with what SL said about him being mislynch bait means that I'll rescind my vote off of him. ##Unvote Says he is unsure why 27nb is defending him, gives a super weak tonwread on me then claims Bara as top town. In fact he likes Bara's points about Bats opening so much he votes Bats. + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2015 06:04 Sulfurus wrote: I admit even I am confused as to why NinjaBunnies is defending me so hard; right now the only vote on her is Tictock (someone who I have had a townread on longer then anyone else) but she is definitely someone who needs to be looked at later. For me the the person with the most useful reads and my top town is Barakos; he was the one who helped me townread Breshke and scumread Disformation with this post, he has shown a healthy suspicion of NinjaBunnies, and he influenced me to un-vote BM, along with SL, with his coinflip argument (for the record I still think SL is town). My favorite Barakos post so far is this one right here especially the Batsnacks part which shows how scummy he truly is (Bat's overly defensive reactions in posts 538 & 539 don't help his case either) so while he won't get lynched today I'll definitely be pushing for his death tomorrow. ##Vote: Batsnacks Further explains about his vote on Bats + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2015 06:26 Sulfurus wrote: @Tictock I think the Bats post you quoted is just straight up wrong. He literally cherry picked quotes to paint himself as a productive member of town when in reality it was people like Breshke and yourself who got the conversation started. And the reason I like Berakos's post so much is that it showed that Bat really didn't care about making reads off of his I-ching post like he said he would. On May 24 2015 06:41 Sulfurus wrote: This is pretty much a textbook example of a humblebrag he is pretending to self-deprecate his contributions when in reality he is saying his actions are towny. Gives thoughts about Vig shooting SL being better than cop checking + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2015 14:46 Sulfurus wrote: I predict that if cop receives a town check on SL people will accuse him of being GF/SK and lynch him anyway, so cop should not check him. A vigi shot on him is fine since the only way town doesn't kill him is if he claims a role. Clarifies his stance on BM to Dis, he's saying BM is mislynch bait here... Also defends SL. + Show Spoiler + On May 25 2015 14:14 Sulfurus wrote: Whoops I believe that should be a link to post 264 IIRC your 'case' against me is that I called Bill Murray 'mislynch bait' which came off as TMI to you. TBH I don't actually know if Bill is town or not but I thought that term sounded better then 'lynch bait' since bait is usually a kind of trap you don't want to get caught in (think fishing) but we want to lynch mafia not avoid it (hopefully that makes sense). As for Sicklucker I feel he has been so busy defending himself that he hasn't been able to give any useful reads and Rels gave a very good accusation of him here so I don't think I will bother defending and I may even vote on him if it comes down to it. @Bill Murray I don't quite understand why you rescinded your vote off of SL. Can you please explain? Gives us a PoE list and votes SL + Show Spoiler + On May 26 2015 13:29 Sulfurus wrote: As of this moment my lynches are Sicklucker Batsnacks 27NinjaBunnies Bill Murray BoxerFred in that order I admit it's kinda weird that 3 of those names voted for confirmed mafia but considering how Scott was playing the idea of a bus isn't too far-fetched. ##Vote: Sicklucker Responds to a couple of questions from me, reminds me of his stance on Bats and disagrees with my stance on plots + Show Spoiler + On May 26 2015 13:52 Sulfurus wrote: @TicTock I actually already talked about Bats yesterday. It's mostly based off of what Barakos said and I think his points still stand. On May 26 2015 18:15 Sulfurus wrote: I town read Plots for the simple reason that he scumread Rels after he died. Like what incentive does he have to do that as mafia? There is no mislynch he can push there and I don't think he realized I would town read him for that. Even if that was the purpose he would have tried to 'get credit' for it at some point instead of letting people forget about that read. In general Plot's demeanor this game has been to try get information into the hands of town instead of trying to push any kind of malicious agenda. Pressures Bats to explain his switch to BM (i'd like to know this as well) + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2015 14:04 Sulfurus wrote: @Batsnacks please go in depth on why you changed your vote to Bill Murray. Agrees BF is speculating too much about roles, but says he is likely town. + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2015 06:38 Sulfurus wrote: I agree that BoxerFred should stop talking about roles since it only helps mafia but all his specualtion seems really genuine and I think if he was mafia he would save that stuff for their QT. Also I think he is extremely towny for going against the grain and voting Bunnies yesterday. Thinks it's likely bunnies is trying to pocket him + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2015 06:49 Sulfurus wrote: Also I agree with the logic that Bunnies was trying to pocket me because I am new only to change her read when she realized that wouldn't work. There's also his posts asking Bats why he is suddenly the #1 target and his pointing out that Bunnies could be potential GF, these were so recent I'm not bothering quoting. The Votes: Day 1 Sul left his vote on Bats. It's a throwaway vote but it is in line with his reads all game. Day 2 Again left his vote on SL. Sul's votes dont look great, but he's not around often to change his vote and he gives decent reasoning why he is voting as he does. His vote on SL is weak, but he never gave much indication he'd be willing to vote either bunnies or BM so it makes sense. To me the biggest point here is Sul calling out BM as mislynch bait, scum would not point out someone as a potential mislynch bait. I'm also not seeing anything here that indicates scum behavior. Given all this, you guys had better give some damed good reasons why Sul is scum. To me 27nb is still the clear target as nothing has actually cleared her of any of the reasons she was being lynched D2. Green check when there is a possibility of GF is not enough. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
So far these are the only times I see you talking about why Sul could be scum. On May 27 2015 04:16 batsnacks wrote: I can't think of anything huge off the top of my head, I'm sure I could find stuff if I dig but the main thing is that everyone else just looks -much- better. I think sulfur wasted his vote d1 too (could be wrong about that) and is wasting his vote now so there's that too. On May 28 2015 10:34 batsnacks wrote:
I did the digging for you, and his votes being wasted is not really a scum tell. So why is Sul scum? | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Dude, if you have a case on me bring it. This soft pushing and no lynch vote is a waste of time and effort. You look like a terrible townie atm. | ||
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