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Onegu looks quite odd. Yamato looks really towny though; he can do this as mafia but I'd peg him as town. So far, I'd lynch BillMurray. I've seen him as town and as town he rarely does absolutely nothing and be useless. I would prefer him as a lynch. BlazingHand should be policy lynches/shot ASAP. Rsoultin is being townread for very bad reasons; she's might be town, but nothing he's posted is something she couldn't have or wouldn't have posted as mafia. Otherwise, meh. | ||
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Yamato like many veterans generally gives very few fucks when he can't lynch people. Between tone (slight hopeful, slight asshole) and his color coding, these are far more likely to come from town!yamato. The interesting thing to note is that he doesn't seem to care whatsoever what he says; instead, he pops in, makes a comment and leaves. I for one expect more from him, but there doesn't look like he has any ulterior motive in posting. Rather he just says what he wants to say. That's why I have him as so strongly town. KelsierSC I think he's town mostly based on how obviously hypocritical he is. He spends the first half of his posts talking about how awful other people's post are and how they're wasting posts while he doesn't really bother adding anything himself. That's behavior that I tend to associate with town more than mafia. There's also the aspect that there's no real directional push; rather, it's pecking at a variety of other players. The only reason why I would put him on the town side of null instead of fully town is because his reads are pretty terrible. I find how he backs off of GB rather odd; I can't really understand: On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: He has gone back and looked over his reads and made some alterations which is a towny thing to do. Because when you look at GB's filter, I'm not seeing any alterations in his reads. First post is essentially a joke; GB has 1 moderate length reads post and a post expanding upon his MIA Damdred read. Rather the GB read feels very much like a preemptive defense while trying to push elsewhere. So if either GB or Kelsier flips mafia, then I'd take a heavy look at the other. VisceraEyes I find it rather out of place that VE is somewhat bothering to play if VE is town. I agree with Kelsier that on tone, VE looks a bit towny, but quite often VE has complained about not being able to lynch people. By this I mean that in games like PYP or here, where there's a 'pre-game' phase where you have alignment and can talk but are unable to lynch people quite often he as complained about not bothering to play because there's very little point in playing due to the lack of a perceived threat. He can't realistically threaten to lynch or shoot or nuke or whatever anyone and therefore feels less capable of applying pressure. I do find it odd that he didn't harp on BillMurray's last post at all because usually town!VE hates and tends to scumread the "leading on" type of post. His Batsnacks read and his GB/Batsnacks/Onegu observation are things that I'd normally expect from town!VE though. Since in at least a few of those games VE was mafia and because town!VE reads, I'm going to leave him at null to town. marvellosity I have him as town for tone alone. It's really not worth considering him until day 2 at the very earliest and if he's alive on day 3 then just lynch him. But I will be sheeping him on day 1. HalftheSky HTS is town. Period. She's made an exceptional number of interesting points (GB reaction to yamato, Damdred's word choice, initial poke at LightningStrike). BillMurray On May 10 2015 18:40 Bill Murray wrote: Oh I've been filter diving. Didn't expect anyone to post. As per "This rule will not be absolutely strictly enforced" in the op I hope going 3 posts over isn't a big deal... because I have been working on a massive post tomorrow. This post strikes me as particularly odd. Not only had he donated posts to Damdred, something which historically has happened more from mafia than town, he doesn't use any of his posts productively. He promises more useful things in the bland future. Yet, the most interesting thing to me is his caring about going over the limit. That's a behavior that I expect far more to come from mafia as they know they're part of a team which they would hurt by getting modkilled due to rules. Town tends to just damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead. This is on top of BillMurray not being an awful player as town. By far the best lynch on day 1. Onegu There's a variety of odd things with him. I think he's the third best lynch on day 1. He's drinking but doesn't post. There's this post: On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote: Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!! Which is a really odd thought process to me. How could town possibly get the traitor role? Usually town that can become mafia has a different role name. This is also a normal game and therefore no alignment changes should ever happen. Trfel Trfel's posts aren't quite in-depth enough for me to really think he's town, but I like the points he's making. Null-town for now and flesh it out more on day 1. LightningStike Others have covered this for the most part. LS is the second best lynch for D1. Damdred GlowingBear In looking through things there are a few things I find interesting. On May 10 2015 12:36 GlowingBear wrote: 4)Kelsen Null opening. Commenting on something already dropped in the thread it's an easy out for Mafia but the joke made me have a townish gut read on him. A negative read + a positive read = null FUCK YEAH MATHMATEKS. Then he calls LS out for legit reasons. Townread. I already know he is mafia because SICK READS (TM) Saying Rasputin is town for her opening is odd, there is nothing alignment indicative in there, so bad opening. 6)LS Posts two posts to say he will resort on consolidated posts. Lol I'm tempted to call him Mafia for that but I can see it coming from both alignments... Argh. I found this post quite odd. Initially so because he reaffirms his Damdred scumread but then bothers to comment on something that's supposed to be viewed as scummy but is just null. The townread on KelsierSC I find interesting because Kelsier also ended up with an odd townread on GlowingBear. But also because GlowingBear doesn't mention Trfel at all while Trfel had an interesting point on how LightningStrike was posting. But in looking further at it, he doesn't seem to place heavy weight on LS being mafia based on talking about how he's going to make consolidated posts. He gives Kelsier a townread for mostly calling out LS for "legit reasons" which GlowingBear doesn't want to follow up on. It's just exceptionally odd. GlowingBear's reads in general are just exceptionally odd on top of that. Initially, I felt like GlowingBear was trying to bus Damdred and Damdred was (at least initially) trying to back him out of that read in a semi-natural way and get GlowingBear to chill out. But in looking more specifically at the connections, the KelsierSC-GlowingBear connection is a bit more odd. I think there are better lynches on day 1 because often enough the person with really weird fucked up reads is just a bad towny which wouldn't be out of place for GlowingBear. But I also wouldn't balk at his lynch since something's definitely wrong here. 5)Damdred This post is too long already and I need to get some food. I'll comment on him later. tl;dr I think GlowingBear vs Damdred is more likely to be town-town right now. Nothing of note to say about Xatalos batsnacks ObiWanShinobi Oatsmaster justanothertownie MIAs Palmer Stutters Vivax Blazinghand sandroba RebirthOfLeGend | ||
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On May 11 2015 09:53 KelsierSC wrote: TD is who I want to lynch right now , TD i still want you to respond to the post I made before this, I asked you several questions that need a response. Noted that you and several other people want answers that are wholly irrelevant. Do you have any other pipe dreams you want to talk about? | ||
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On May 11 2015 10:49 sandroba wrote: His GB-damdred town-town read might very well be true, but the way he arrives at it is not a way that a townie does. Considering that I haven't in any realistic way explained either the town-town or mafia-mafia read and that I haven't explained why I've ended up on town-town, you're making some major presumptions about how I arrive at that specific read. Honestly, I think you need to reread the game with a new set of eyes because I think you're really off base about numerous things. | ||
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On May 10 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote: Damdred is also mafia On May 10 2015 11:15 GlowingBear wrote: O, hai! I'm John Travolta! Yamato and HTS are Mafia. On May 10 2015 11:20 Damdred wrote: This is almost as bad a read as me saying GB is town just saying. However at this point I have a couple of preliminary town reads I believe just by tone and posting style and somewhat on content. Rsoultin seems to be genuinely using the posts to press good ideas while pressing issues that are important in the thread. HTS and Trfel both seem to have a good tone about them and it seems it is easy to follow what they mean while it somewhat mirrors what RS says I think it is a good sign of things to come and both are good leans. KSC... is a bit harder for me to get a handle on at this point, I have a slight town lean on him. His tone and general demeanor remind me of Void Mafia at this point. However his style is also reminiscent of mini mafia to an extent, but the content is different. I'm pretty ok with him at this point. LS is interesting, he always wastes posts but we'll see what his other posts do. Damdred chides GlowingBear while clarifying reads. On May 10 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote: Damdred is also mafia On May 10 2015 11:35 Damdred wrote: I'm glad that Trfel and KSC seem to be thinking critically now. Your original question kel was a little lacking but the follow up was much better I think. Firstly I don't necessarily have to agree with someones read on them to like the direction that they are going in the way that they are posting or the ideas they are pushing. I think that HTS tone is decent in the post and I just kind of tacked it on to see who would call me out on it while they were reading. Plus it got some more conversation going (5) Damdred makes what looks like a snide compliment implying GB isn't thinking whatsoever and just ignores GlowingBear. On May 10 2015 12:36 GlowingBear wrote: 5)Damdred I already know he is mafia because SICK READS (TM) Saying Rasputin is town for her opening is odd, there is nothing alignment indicative in there, so bad opening. GlowingBear makes his large post with the odd Damdred followup. On May 10 2015 13:25 Damdred wrote: Obviously I think that GB is a busser and will just keep hitting his team mates over the head until he dies or his team mate dies we did it ourselves in a previous game. And it is possible that there is some connection between who he is scum reading potentially and himself but i'm not sure that hes necessarily scum but he is on the scummy side of null currently. For example in his reads list a lot of what he says follows thread sentiment, theres nothing here that is against the grain so to speak, nothing really is standing out a part from what other people have generally said. Also the read on batsnacks is interesting because it is reversed from GB calling him townsnacks earlier for sarcasm (which is a sign of a town snacks at points.). Theres also an unevenness to how GB is reading if I pull your attention to Yamatos post and HTS post that GB is referring to, both of them cover the same topics and both have this sense of excitement about specific roles. Others have already commented on the tone of it, however GB is reading both of them differently by the same amount of content and for the same crime. I dislike this and give GB a scum point Also i'm a bit biased due to it being about me, but his read on me is by the large completely devoid of reason. My response to RS opening is pretty null usually par to town read the first person posting even if its joking. However I have around 6 other content posts that GB ignores and doesn't even comment on just being happy to call me scum for a bad opening which again the unevenness putting other people at null for the same reasons. I actually think GB is a scum lean just a really weird list post with unevenness throughout (8) Damdred counter pushes GlowingBear almost reactively in a "explore every detail" aspect. On May 10 2015 13:55 GlowingBear wrote: I'm at the party, won't go more in depth. Anyone scumreading me now is bad. Damdred is always Mafia this game. Already. Summarising why: townreads me for having a bad read on yamato, but says nothing about yamato being town. Says HTS is town but does not say that my scumread on her is bad. Has weird instant townreads, specially on people he knows he can't have a good read this early (Rasputin's scum and town play are very similar, and he knows my reads can be bad as both town as Mafia after the latest games we played together, he can't have a town OR scumread based on that) GlowingBear counter-counterpushes back. On May 10 2015 14:23 Damdred wrote: I never town read you.... I make a sarcastic remark about your read being as bad almost as bad if I called you town at that point.... But no never town read you. My read on rsoultin is actually really good now days. Her town and scum games are actually very different on a few levels but I don't want to go into that giving her hints how to improve at this point, also its tradition to always townread the first post lol.. But anyway Also GB isn't reading it seems never tries to refute what I'm saying just throwing dirt on me to try to discredit some valid things in saying about the list but instead like I said is throwing sand without actual interaction or showing why in the original post or here. It is strangely familiar if you look at mini mafia 2 and how he interacted with palmar early in the game. (9) also <3 bill Then Damdred tries to disengage with the classic, "He's just mudslinging for total discredit value instead of arguing points." The point of this is that neither really goes ham on the other. There's no large shitstorm, mudslinging or dickwaggling contest. For the most part, both of them tend to believe that they're right and that ignore relevant points the other has while claiming the 'high ground' for themselves. Then for the most part they both disengage from direct contact to worth with others. To me, this is a situation where they share alignments because as town-town they both know they can be wrong here and instead want to either engage other people to confirm or deny biased views. As mafia-mafia, there's no real advantage to hard double bus this early and get heavily place the focus on both of you especially when Damdred is a player who (while good at scum) works best when he's out of the direct spotlight. I excluded mafia-town because normally in mafia-town interaction, one of the two will hold onto and beat a dead horse (in regards to arguing with the other person). The specific reason why I end up at town-town specifically on the two is because that's where I end up on both of them individually. Damdred looks really towny to me based on how he's interacting, tone, interest level and thought process. GlowingBear is likely the most controversial person in the thread; the most controversial person is almost always town. On the whole, I'm surprised that you're less interested in talking about BillMurray, Blazinghand, LightningStrike or numerous others. Potentially even Trfel. | ||
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On May 11 2015 12:20 sandroba wrote: If I'm wrong about this TD thing, which certainly I'm considering, I think Oats Congratulations on a not terrible read. Would you like a cookie? | ||
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On May 11 2015 12:29 KelsierSC wrote: you called him town because he is being obstructive and not explaining...then he explains his read but you still call him town. then you say he is town because he is choosing not to blend in, but I explained he has no option to blend in so it is completely irrelevant. So me making the largest analysis post of the game reasonably early on is "blending in"? That's a bit odd for someone who's hand is in every cookie jar. | ||
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On May 12 2015 01:59 Bill Murray wrote: i cant be the leading votegetter when I fire a nuke or it doesnt work If the nuke lands, then we definitely should just lynch BM. | ||
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On May 11 2015 22:00 Bill Murray wrote: ##nuke: Marvellosity On May 11 2015 22:00 Bill Murray wrote: ##unvote ##vote: TalkingDead Pretty interesting that he takes time to make sure he can launch a nuke this time. And Stutters you're right, he wasn't. I was thinking of last votecount. | ||
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Blazinghand is an interesting person that's been brought up a bunch because of his anti-nuke. Mainly because he anti-nuked so early and because he's the type of person that as mafia would anti-nuke anyone for credit. More interestingly, he's also the type of person who would plan this sort of clustfuck situation with BillMurray to thoroughly get the thread to shit pretty quickly. I'm going to look at him more in depth later. However, the person that I find the most interesting is Oatsmaster. Generally what I've seen from Oatsmaster as town is that he's abrasive and does his own thing. Whereas in this game, he tends to just follow what's going on with thread sentiment. Specifically: On May 11 2015 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Sandros shit seems really planned out and fake. Like this post right, marv doesnt do that. And a scumread for not posting is pretty bad considering the general lack of content. And i really fucking hate lists posts man, seriously dont post a huge list of nonsense. Talkingdead especially. Is that rayn? On May 11 2015 09:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Gb is town guys. Unless he faked that shit like super super well. Sandro, talking deads list post was the most recent and longest one, why not point it out? Also, the tone of your posts is very structured, and the questions you ask seem to be more for show than actually gaining alignment relevant information On May 11 2015 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Meh whatever rsoul, marv isn't gonna get lynched today if that's your attitude. I'm actually inclined to agree with sandro about td. He just dodged all the questions by saying "reread" ... On May 11 2015 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote: OK saw the longass post. That's a bad post. Mainly because of one point. When td compares the difference between town-town, he says that they will be able to rethink their reads. But in his town-scum analysis, he said that one of them will keep beating a dead horse, specifying that it might be either. So since they don't know each others alignments, the town - scum scenario he proposes could happen with town - town too. So in conclusion, td is bullshitting his town-town read cause he got caught. The thing is though that Sandroba's points on me haven't really changed for the most part. It's been spread on the same set of things for the most part. So there's no real clear reason for the change from "made up fake shit" to "great read." The's also really not a clear reason for Sandroba going from town to mafia. Then after marvellosity makes his large post, Oats seems to drop everything and switch to BillMurray. He had previously fingered BillMurray for seemingly no reason (it was before either nuke). Rather, Oats just seems to follow the thread sentiment and look to blend. He has only hints at why his reads are and there's no discernible progression. That in my experience is scum!Oats. | ||
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On May 12 2015 08:08 Onegu wrote: I really doubt a scum BM would fire to nukes. Can you explain why you think this? | ||
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I disagree with yamato about GlowingBear's read on Blazinghand. It was something I was thinking at the time and reaffirms my townread on GlowingBear. It's less about how Blazinghand is using his role than it is about Blazinghand's approach to the game that's telling to me. I can imagine scenarios where Blazinghand instantly negates the nuke on Trfel (empathy/sympathy/whatever) and I can imagine scenarios where Blazinghand tries to engage Palmer regarding shooting down the marvellosity Nuke (trying to get separate reads on a player who can be difficult to read). However, it's the contrasting approach which is quite interesting and relevant. Blazinghand while relatively insane is not stupid; he has far more to gain (as town) from interacting with Trfel to get a read on him. Trfel as I recall had a handful of posts at the time and, while I and many if I recall were soft townreading him, I don't think there's any strong definitive read to be made at that point. Rather, when the marvellosity (who was obviously town at that point) nuke is confirmed seeks approval. Blazinghand is the type of player who will literally march to the beat of his own drum to his own detriment. So the fact that he's seeking approval for doing something that's quite obviously townie is exceptionally out of character. The closest thing to being semi-productive that Blazinghand has done this game is this post: On May 11 2015 08:37 Blazinghand wrote: So it seems like things should be prety straightforward in terms of hunting scum. I didn't mention this earlier because I needed people to be posting without knowing about this. Basically, right now people only have PMs revealing alignment, right? What this means is scum do not know who their scumbuddies are. Since they don't want ot accidentally push scumbuddies, for the first 24 hours of the game you can expect scum to not want to give scumreads. They don't want to be forced to backtrack later. So who's giving scumreads and who isn't? People who haven't given solid scumreads, or have given only joke scumreads: Marv Onegu Trfel Sandroba Xat bats rso oastmaster LS (I assume, it's kinda hard to read this dude's post) RoL Bill Murray Palm VE JAT Vivax Stutters People who have made scumreads, or said they want to lynch someone, which would be risky for scum to do: GB HtS (some) Yamato OWS Damdred KSC TD so GB HtS Yam OWS Damd KSC TD are town, the rest of you are scum ez Normally, BH would have some crazy insane convoluted plan to find scum. He usually uses RNG to decide the day 1 lynch (more often as town than as mafia in my experience). Yet this game the closest thing to insane that he's done is the Trfel anti-nuke. His play is out of character even for him. Yes, the action usage is marginally useless, but the reasons (or more appropriately lack of reasons) behind his actions point towards him not being town. | ||
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However, the person that I find the most interesting is Oatsmaster. Generally what I've seen from Oatsmaster as town is that he's abrasive and does his own thing. Whereas in this game, he tends to just follow what's going on with thread sentiment. Specifically: On May 11 2015 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Sandros shit seems really planned out and fake. Like this post right, marv doesnt do that. And a scumread for not posting is pretty bad considering the general lack of content. And i really fucking hate lists posts man, seriously dont post a huge list of nonsense. Talkingdead especially. Is that rayn? On May 11 2015 09:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Gb is town guys. Unless he faked that shit like super super well. Sandro, talking deads list post was the most recent and longest one, why not point it out? Also, the tone of your posts is very structured, and the questions you ask seem to be more for show than actually gaining alignment relevant information On May 11 2015 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Meh whatever rsoul, marv isn't gonna get lynched today if that's your attitude. I'm actually inclined to agree with sandro about td. He just dodged all the questions by saying "reread" ... On May 11 2015 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote: OK saw the longass post. That's a bad post. Mainly because of one point. When td compares the difference between town-town, he says that they will be able to rethink their reads. But in his town-scum analysis, he said that one of them will keep beating a dead horse, specifying that it might be either. So since they don't know each others alignments, the town - scum scenario he proposes could happen with town - town too. So in conclusion, td is bullshitting his town-town read cause he got caught. The thing is though that Sandroba's points on me haven't really changed for the most part. It's been spread on the same set of things for the most part. So there's no real clear reason for the change from "made up fake shit" to "great read." The's also really not a clear reason for Sandroba going from town to mafia. Then after marvellosity makes his large post, Oats seems to drop everything and switch to BillMurray. He had previously fingered BillMurray for seemingly no reason (it was before either nuke). Rather, Oats just seems to follow the thread sentiment and look to blend. He has only hints at why his reads are and there's no discernible progression. That in my experience is scum!Oats. | ||
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On May 12 2015 19:01 marvellosity wrote: We can, ish, but I think that verges a little more into policy, maybe. Is it really a policy lynch to kill people who have 8 posts about nothing interesting that offer nothing of note and more than likely will continue said trend? Because I call that modus operandi. He's a far worse offender than Palmer. At least Yamato has some interesting posts. | ||
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On May 12 2015 19:06 yamato77 wrote: it is the argument but his reads are unreasonable and too erratic, really going to look at how he played in boardwalk I've looked at it. Significantly less effort. Very short posts. Mostly careless. That said, the situations aren't really comparable in any realistic way. | ||
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On May 12 2015 19:19 yamato77 wrote: bleh like I said, BM is just not that easy to read this game Yah, but do you really want to hear people repeat the argument for the next four phases? Can't you at least consider the policy lynch of "killing him now will annoy me less that having to listen retards talk about him constantly for couple of days"? I'd imagine there's some major appeal for you there. | ||
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On May 12 2015 19:23 marvellosity wrote: I am using 1.67% of my day's posts to say no, he didn't, and look at the database you lazy lazy fucker I'm not lazy. I'm technologically challenged. iPads aren't as easy to use. | ||
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On May 12 2015 19:30 marvellosity wrote: This is a kinda similar argument to what i had in my head, which was: if we don't lynch him now, we're never gonna lynch him. So you're saying I can read your mind... Do tell me more. | ||
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On May 12 2015 19:30 yamato77 wrote: I thought someone could just, you know, shoot him >_> Policy shots are exceptionally common. | ||
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On May 12 2015 19:33 marvellosity wrote: if you didn't just get naked, you can't read my mind I couldn't. I was naked from the start and was too lazy to put on clothes just to take them off. | ||
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On May 12 2015 21:42 Palmar wrote: I don't think VE is mafia and I hate the fact I disagree with you on everything sandroba. This. So much this. I don't even understand why VisceraEyes is even on that list in the first place. I think his reads are wrong, but they're also pretty exceptionally egocentric. That in the least heavily points toward town VisceraEyes. I wouldn't put VisceraEyes anywhere near being a good lynch let alone a good policy lynch. | ||
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Like your reads are drastically different from mine and from most other veterans. On top of that you're going after lurkers which I don't think I've ever seen you do before as town. | ||
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On May 12 2015 23:46 sandroba wrote: You are wrong. Palmar doesn't even try to post a case and just trolls until some people (HTS, TD) start questioning some of my reads. He takes the opportunity to try to make a push and prior to that is just trolling and saying random shit. Palmar does have a history of going after me after the catastrophe game, but nothing like this. He normally keeps saying I'm mafia, but does not push me and does not make BS cases. Let's pretend that you're right and that he didn't push on you until after me talking about you. Town Palmer will also do this. And I don't think his case is BS either. I think he has a good point about you not seeming to care. I also think he's completely missing the fact that you're so outside of your town and mafia meta that I'm honestly not sold that his point is even valid. | ||
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On May 12 2015 23:56 GlowingBear wrote: If this is legit, congratulations, damdy, you've just threw all the debate regarding Bill murray in the trash bin since he won't flip. Would you like a mirror? | ||
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On May 13 2015 00:24 Palmar wrote: You guys can probably just ignore me if I'm town, it's not like I sometimes know what I'm saying on day 1. Marv: explain to me why you don't think sandroba is mafia. More than just a sentence. If I'm wrong on this I'm just wasting my day and it's weird that no one agrees with me. I think I'm also running out of posts but that's okay. I'm not Marv, but here's my thoughts. Meta-wise, Sandroba is way out in left field. The thing is though that said left field is so significantly and drastically closer to his town play than his mafia that it's unreal. I noted Sandroba as town early. I think Damdred did too. There's not many people whose alignment's I'm sure on this game, but I'm quite sure you're wrong on Sandroba. | ||
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On May 13 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote: I am also being thrifty with my posts until later, but this bears responding to. sandroba's posts this game are much longer and content-filled than in games he's played recently (he's rolled mafia quite a bit). In those games his reads are shallow and forced (to use his own words). In this game he actually makes observations that make sense, and his reads are more organic - e.g. he was pushing jat for his picky tone which I think was valid, and the way he backed off jat was valid too. How he approached me also looks natural, he advanced reasons why he was suspicious of me and asked me questions. added to this is that he appears in the thread at times when he doesn't have to (i.e. when he has time) as opposed to when he is mafia he posts when he absolutely has to. also sand is right, i don't really know why the things you said about him would make him mafia i think if sand is mafia he's chosen this game to play much, much, much better than normal for some reason. i don't really think that's the case his VE read - i think a couple people picked up on that because they didn't like it - well, ok, but VE in years gone by (when sand played a lot more) was MUCH more active than he plays these days. It wasn't an unfair thing for him to think, and i think him saying openly that he wasn't married to his VE read looks ok for him Pretend I wrote this. It would make me feel much more kingly. | ||
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1. Distinct lack of sexy 2. Noticeably lower activity than as town 3. Lack of desire to find mafia 4. Lack of magical thinking typical of his town play 5. Has not yet bowed before King TalkingDead in fealty | ||
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Were you hoping to be Marv's lynch of choice? | ||
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On May 13 2015 05:40 Trfel wrote: I suppose I thought that Vivax's scum play was better than it actually is. But I still prefer lynching Onegu. I would appreciate it if someone would tell my why they do not want to lynch Onegu. Because carefree Onegu tends to be town Onegu. A few of his more recent posts have looked far more towny in that regard than his earlier posting. | ||
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On May 13 2015 07:54 Trfel wrote: I don't see what is so impressive about Vivax's posting as of late. His posts don't feel like they have any direction or focus, and he isn't elaborating on his main scumreads. He's pushing reads all over the place, but nothing is very well explained or detailed. Furthermore, Vivax is going to be away for a while, so there will be no more information with which to read him. This is a good point. Leading up to the lynch, thread sentiment is steered roughly equally between Xatalos and Vivax. When Marv starts his push towards BH, votes still split roughly equally between Vivax and Xatalos. Despite Marv and Sandroba giving a less weight and push towards either Vivax or Xatalos and thinking they both may be a bit more likely to be town. Votes from the Vivax wagons disappear disproportionately faster. This can in part be attributed to Vivax being around and posting, but there were numerous people other than just Marv/Sandroba saying essentially that Vivax is posting better. Yet when you compare this situation to an exceptionally similar situation in Imperial, where Vivax went off the fucking deep end and was making series of huge posts repetitively. The wagon just disappeared in a strange way without any realisitic recognition of his posting. That's interesting. | ||
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On May 13 2015 08:12 Blazinghand wrote: given that part of the case on me is literally "blazinghand isn't putting up much resistance, which he usually does as town" (a statement that is, of course, once again people not understanding my meta because people is bad) your quesiton is invalid plus you're changing things up On May 13 2015 05:29 marvellosity wrote: BH could be mafia after all, because he's joined what is a pretty terrible sandroba wagon when what I posted should at least be enough for sandroba not to be lynched today. I don't understand how he can on one hand shoot down a nuke headed for me and then on the other hand completely ignore my fleshed out opinion on sandroba. I said earlier that I wasn't going to lynch someone who shot a nuke coming down on me, but the arguments about his lack of scumreads ---> sheeping this case on sandroba made my read do an about turn I was leaning town on Palmar as well, but I also don't understand how he can ask me a question about sandroba, get a fuller response than I normally bother to give (apparently i like talking about good players or something) and then say "well, marv said all that but my points still stand herp derp" There are also too many outlier votes right now. I dislike Xata a little less than before, but would lynch in a pinch. Still finding it very difficult to believe that Vivax plays like this as town ##unvote ##Vote: BlazingHand I don't believe BH "buys" Palmar's case. I think Palmar's case on sandroba is at best misguided tunnelly town and BH has been around long enough (and played with sand enough) to be able to at least grapple with this On May 13 2015 05:50 marvellosity wrote: There are 2 lynches that I just introduced where I find it hard to say "the townie motivation is kinda likely". Vivax's play is just SO far off his townplay, it's very very difficult to handwave away. BlazingHand saving me, and jumping on a weak case on sandroba while not entertaining the counterarguments is also very very difficult to handwave away with a town motivation. Note: I'm not trying to say Onegu is definitely town here, he may or may not be, but I think lynching him on conjecture is not the right play when we can lynch people with far clearer differentiations On May 13 2015 07:09 marvellosity wrote: BlazingHand made a lolreply (more scumpoints from Palmar for me \o/) to Obi where he altered his quote to try to say "well i do this as town as WELL as mafia". The thing was, in... er... Aperture, kita made quite a good meta case about how scumBH doesn't actually do anything where town-BH is strung into action. And that's what's happening here. The thing with BH is that he's very obviously selectively reading the thread, and disregarding the stuff that he doesn't like. So it goes 1.Palmar case on sandroba 2.sometime later marv makes a sandroba defence 3.BH sheeps 1, disregards 2 Then I also made my case on BH based on this, but BH ignores it completely and later only responds to my post where I lumped him (or something) in with Vivax, and saying he's not like Vivax. but it totally disregards what i said in the first place. So that's 2 strikes. I literally cannot reconcile, at all, how he keeps saying we should sheep this Palmar case d1 when it was a really bad case. Even earlier in the thread he made some post about "Palmar and marv being the only ones possibly more skilled than me" yet it seems like he's totally ignoring me for convenience. Which part of the case on you includes you putting up resistence? | ||
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On May 13 2015 08:17 Vivax wrote: Then go and find the people who went off me in a scummy way, cause as I see it there's nothing inherently scummy in not wanting to lynch me. There's not time for that and it doesn't matter this late in the day. It is in no way about trying to find "the scum that unvoted their partners." It doesn't make you scum and it doesn't make Xatalos town. It's the asymmetrical shift that's interesting, both in the sense that people are more willing to move off you and that people are less willing to move off of him. What is interesting about your response is that you've ignored my point about Imperial entirely to pick at the corners of the point I'm trying to make. | ||
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On May 13 2015 08:27 Blazinghand wrote: I think we all kinda know what's going on here. A lot of people moved off of Vivax as soon as there was a lynchbaity wagon (my wagon) to move onto. Wagons that fall apart easily like this in non-PM games tend to be wagons on scum. I think Vivax would be an acceptable D1 lynch, but I actually haven't read his filter or his case. I'm basing this entirely on the fact that Vivax is a really good town player with heroic tier reads and pushing ability, and I haven't passively just NOTICED that he's playing well, which is what I'd expect from him So Xatalos isn't lynch bait? You're lynch bait? | ||
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On May 13 2015 08:53 rsoultin wrote: 73/76 what i find remarkable is the batshit crazy people screaming about how quickly the lynch dissolved and reformed on blazinghand, seem perfectly fine with this sudden mass-switch to vivax lol at hts' bidding no less. i have a townread on her that i may have to revisit, but since when has she been the town rally player? I'm not. I preferred the Blazinghand lynch. They're both good for entirely different reasons. Blazinghand is definitely more fun to lynch though. | ||
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More importantly, I want to address Blazinghand's recent scumclaim here. Blazinghand is an experienced player. On May 14 2015 02:50 Blazinghand wrote: ...so I'm tentatively going to say I think she's (rsoultin) scum. This is the most absolutely passive way I've ever seen BH talk about someone as scum. Blazinghand as a player and as a person is exceptionally cocky. Not confident, cocky. He is not unknown for screaming that someone's scum. He will out-talk, speak over other players, bully players, wiggle and litigate arguments, etc. just to get his point across. Blazinghand as town in no fucking way is he ever passive. Occaisionally, he will not play as town or not play as scum. But he's not a player to beat around the bush. As town, he's not going to mince his words. As town, BH will flat out call people scum; scream it from the heavens repeating and readjusting his argument just to convince people to vote with him. THIS IS NOT TOWN BH!!!! Town BH doesn't loosely be willing to agree to talk about how BH thinks a person is scum. Second... On May 14 2015 02:50 Blazinghand wrote: Hey Batsnacks, hope you're doing well. I'd like to chat with you about your (link) scumread on Sandro. As far as I can tell, this is your only scumread this game, and in fact that post represents the entirety of your contribution. That, plus the weird poem thing makes me think you've got some kind of Blue role, but nothing actually FITS you knowing Sandro is town or scum during D1. During N0 blue roles get the pm "town" so there's no actions. During D1, msot roles, especially inbestigative ones, don't have actions. For example, I could see you being a Coronor, who can "Can check the alignment and/or roles of unflipped players." according to the OP, but again, it's D1. When I was scumreading Sandro, I didn't think much of it, but since Sandro came through and actually did research about my meta, I don't really think it's possible that Sandro can be scum. He's gotta be town. So now I'm concerned about your read. What's the deal, man?' Town!BH does not intentially try to out people during the night phase. Generally, outing blues in the night phase is pretty terrible play and BH has scolded people before for doing so. However, this type of play is one that's often seen on video mafia. There are a few potential options that BH is trying to do here: 1. BH is traitor and is trying to get mafia to consider an NK for blue snipe on Batsnacks 2. BH is mafia and is trying to setup a blue claim for his partner Batsnacks 3. BH is town and is trying to get mafia to kill lynchbait Batsnacks Here's the thing though, BH scolded GlowingBear here for not knowing about no N0 NKs. He knows that roles didn't go out until the end of N0. So BH is in part trying to establish a blue argument on a player based on the 13th post in the game. BH is clearly not trying or thinking critically here because that argument is the dumbfuckfest central. Then he goes on to point out the Batsnacks soft claim. As town, why would BH ever point this out during the night phase? Maybe it's Batsnacks trying to take a bullet. Maybe it's actually a soft. I don't know. But there's literally no point for BH to direct the soft to the thread's attention as town. The potential loss is almost always greater than the potential gain. BH is a player who is will to take risks as any alignment, but this one is that I don't think I've ever seen him take before as town while at least once arguing against such play. So it's pretty easy to eliminate option 3. I don't care if it's 1 or 2, either way he's not town for it. Marv made an exceptionally sexy post about BH that I want to highlight. When I was looking at BH before and after the lynch, there was at least one exceptionally interesting thing about him. BH deflects from pressure. I don't mean that he pushes it on to other people. Rather, he takes the weakest point of anyone's argument and straw mans the argument so that he looks better. Instead of ever engaging or responding to good arguments (like the one I made that yamato responds to or the extended case the Marv wrote), never once does he address them. In the early case, he engages GlowingBear's weaker argument, never responds to mine and allows thread sentiment to just shift into BillMurray in the silence. In the case of Marv's argument, he interacts with everyone else around Marv's argument. He gets into a shitflinging fest with yamato. He explains how he'll be at dinner for 23 straight hours. He never actually bothers to respond to the main points because it lends credence to the points themselves. While this avoidance is reasonable to good play to avoid being lynched, it is rather telling that BH has continued to play this way. Building upon a point Marv had made earlier, BH clearly isn't thinking or reading critically in any sense. He tried to point out Batsnacks for being blue based on a post that batty wrote after alignments were handed out but before roles were. I ask you, do you really think that Blazinghand is the type of person or player to not think while he's playing? Does he have a tendency as town to show a pattern of not critically thinking about the game in any realistic sense? Do you not want to lynch the ever living fuck out of him? | ||
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1. I didn't sheep Palmer. I think Damdred made a point on Vivax early in the game; idk might have been someone else. But that got me to look at Vivax. 2. You're assuming I'm someone I may or may not be and that said presumptuous person wouldn't sheep Marv in that scenario. That's a lot of ifs. 3. Regarding Imperial. I was referring to Vivax posting in that game. His filter was large. He ramped up in posts quickly once pressed (mid-end of D1). He posted often. His posts were huge. Basically exceptionally different from here. 4. There were a few other random things, lack of crazy, etc that pointed that way too. 5. I sheeped Marv because I can. The two were roughly equal and Marv are was voting for one. | ||
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On May 14 2015 09:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Ve, I think it's 50/50 gb shoots him so you better explain. Otherwise he shoots me. Shooting you would be good though. Not bad in the least. Shooting Marv would be very bad. | ||
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On May 14 2015 10:00 Oatsmaster wrote: That's not the point. The point is that you are shooting down the lynch I propose without proposing your own lynch. And you aren't doing anything but responding to people since d1. Scummy Bro. Not even close. | ||
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On May 14 2015 10:36 GlowingBear wrote: I'm shooting no one until the kingmaker claims You're an idiot. Even if you got the ability from scum, who cares? | ||
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Which is all the more reason to use it as a policy vig shot. KSC suggesting RoL as the execute is the most sensible thing he's said all game. If it came from town, then maybe they have more. Plus if it came from town then maybe they have more. Idk. Ether way policy shot is good. | ||
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On May 14 2015 11:00 yamato77 wrote: objectively, the best shot is BH if he flips, we know a lot about what happened at EOD That was my initial thought, but after looking back at Sandroba's filter here I'm thinking it's not as interesting. | ||
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On May 14 2015 11:10 batsnacks wrote: Okay so VE and HTS are both very decent, high risk, high reward shots. They will have to be dealt with eventually though either via claim or flip. You're a better shot than either of those two. | ||
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Damdred We discuss the Damdred-GB town-town/mafia-mafia read for a bit and comment on how Sandroba looks really towny I comment on Oats and LS looking scummy and still want to lynch BM Damdred thinks BM's recent town games have been above this level and further comments on LS looking not town puppy and asks about Sandroba read specifically Damdred picks up the sandroba read and comments about it in thread I comment on how I kinda like BH's comeback near EoN1 on reread and ask why he(Damdred) doesn't have more reads Damdred says he's been busy at work but has been questioning Xata's alignment and how he think's he's a food chance to be scum A few food/hungry jokes ensue Explains the Xata read a bit more fully when I don't quite understand the initial read I talk about KSC for a bit and how I find him odd We chat for a second about Trfel's nuke being real, hoping it is so we can just ignore the whole BM situation. I talk about how I think Marv's town and how Marv things Palmer and VE are town. I explain my VE read a bit. JAT looks unispiring to me but I can't read him well Damdred comments on JAT/LS being scummy. Xata looking a bit better later on. GB he's unsure on. Damdred comments on losing Marv  Finds Oats weird and specifically his early read on GB (which GB picked up on later that marv liked)I explain my full read on Oats (expanded later in thread) I comment on 2 nukes in 1 phase being weird to say the least. We discuss the voting and Damdred pointed out BM voted to be able to nuke again. I want to policy lynch BM. Damdred thinks Vivax is mafia for his response to him (damdred) Damdred claims day vig and we talk about when to use his power and he wants Marv's input. We discuss the irony being that I voted against PM games because I'm not terribly fond of the pm circle jerk that always ensues yet end up as a mason. We discuss Xata a bit more; a bit of rehash of early points and me looking at a specific odd point. It flows into a reading Vivax and I explain meta read on him more I still want to policy lynch BM and we argue a bit over allowing BM to shoot again but only a target we like. I talk about BH's anti-nuke stuff (which GB then posts about and I expand upon) We talk about yamato and GB. GB looks more and more towny and how Damdred really likes yamato's response to my post. Damdred doesn't like Oats in an exchange and I talk about Oats in response to Yamato's response. I comment on Damdred's Xatalos post which looks really good. And RoL who somehow gives less fucks that Palmer; how Onegu looks bad but how BM pushing him is kinda the towniest thing about Onegu I want BM shot. Marv disagrees about that point but I post both sides. Damdred doesn't want to talk about BM on day 2 even if no flip. From there it's essentially discussion of lynch preference. I comment on the Vivax/Xatalos thread pressure/votes thing and Damdred really likes it He didn't really post anything during N1 so there's not much there. | ||
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Me and her discussing the things we missed in each others posts Why she thought Vivax was town (pleb thing) and understanding why Marv, Damdred and I didn't pick up on it We talk about Marv for a bit and how based on roles/night actions/etc I'm a bit more leary of him. We come back to talking about my read on her before discussing yamato who I think is town Discuss the sheeping Palmer thing. She thinks Bats will flip town but likes shooting RoL. Comments on how BH seems to be a bullshitter regardless of his alignment We talk about Bats, she thinks the traps make him kinda towny and he's super over excited in pushing them. I kinda like the overexcited read but thought that he had used battraps more when he was mafia than town We filter dive LS for a bit together. She ends on him being kinda towny still and I think he's more null-scum. VE claims and we talk about his role for a bit. We talk about setup speculation with so much KP (which is apparently actually the norm for Ver setups... idk) She comments on her apparent assassination and how it's clearly from mafia | ||
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I'm not a fan of VE's reasons for Marv to be town. Marv could be confident in his own ability not to be lynched. But VE is town because such a wide variety of his reads have been egocentric. This is much later on in the day and from a mix of people. Reading people off the pleb recognition is as bad as reading people for being blue or how they use their roles. I'm a bit unsure as Hapa as a host, but it's become pretty standard for hosts to post the VT text as the first post. I would be surprise if mafia didn't get that AND didn't get a vanilla mafia pleb or whatever to tell the team. | ||
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On May 13 2015 23:47 VisceraEyes wrote: TOWN 21. VisceraEyes 1. marvellosity 3. GlowingBear 4. Trfel 5. sandroba 6. Half the Sky 8. yamato77 11. rsoultin 18. KelsierSC 19. TalkingDead 14. Blazinghand 17. Damdred 23. Vivax 24. Stutters695 MAFIA 2. Onegu 7. Xatalos 9. batsnacks 12. Oatsmaster 15. RebirthOfLeGenD 20. Palmar IDONTKNOW 10. ObiWanShinobi 13. LightningStrike 16. Bill Murray 22. justanothertownie This is where I'm at currently. As for my mafia list, Onegu and Xata are pretty much either/or...if one of them is mafia, the other probably is not. They've both done things I would classify as scummy, but Xata was going on and on about Onegu being the Traitor and voted for him (uselessy) D1. I...don't think they do that as mafia/mafia. Batsnacks is pretty straight-forward. I mentioned earlier how he came into the game early on spouting nonsense, and then when he came back he pretended to have contributions (Sandroba is mafia, but I can't tell you why because ROOOOLLEEEE). Oatsmaster is more of a tone read. As town I feel like Oats gives fewer fucks what people say and think, and in this game he seems to care a great deal what people think. RoL is probably mafia because of his repeated promises to contribute and then lack of following through. I think he does this as either alignment, but as town he actually has content in his few bouts of activity. This game we get ZERO content. It reminds me very much of his play in Storm, where he was AFK mafia. Palmar is just fun to lynch, but I also think he's probably mafia here too. His case on sandroba is laughably bad (in that it ignores the fact that sandroba is capable of everything Palmar is accusing him of as town, and meta-wise sandroba is like never mafia this game) and his responses to people calling it bad are bad (marv is mafia?!?!?!). Everyone on my town list is there because they're active in the game and seem to be obviously trying to figure it out. My order isn't important (I think most of it is in order of the playerlist) but I moved myself to the top for obvious reasons.  If you're in my IDONTKNOW list then you should probably do something about that before tomorrow. On May 13 2015 09:00 Hapahauli wrote: Final Day 1 Vote Count: Vivax (8) - BlazingHand, Marvellosity, Xatalos, Half The Sky, KelsierSC, TalkingDead, Justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, Xatalos (2) - Vivax, LightningStrike Rsoultin (1) - Onegu Palmar (1) - RebirthOfLegend Sandroba (2) - Palmar, Batsnacks BlazingHand (7) - rsoultin, Sandroba, Yamato77, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Trfel, GlowingBear, I think I missed some of this a bit earlier. I think I'd rather give Batsnacks a pass than RoL. Both Batsnacks and Palmer voting together on Sandroba as mafia is really, really unlikely. RoL has basically done nothing this game yet is magically right on Palmer; that feels far more bussy to me than not. Onegu and LS aren't bad targets based on them both being smart enough to not throw away their votes. That said, Stutters/Kelsier/Oats/OWS/Trfel/Xatalos are the next people I'd look at. My reserve on Xatalos (having re-filtered him yet) is that the way things look, no mafia were up for the D1 lynch and rather mafia could just freely organize wherever semi-naturally without having to fear about losing one of their own. | ||
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On May 15 2015 06:16 GlowingBear wrote: TD and VE: how did marv influenced mason recruits reads on the mason qt, specially at the EoD For the most part, Marv made his points but he was happy to let Damdred and I do whatever we felt was best. He was fine with me waiting to join BH so I could watch how votes/wagons formed and he was interested in the Vivax thing despite being high. Damdred and Marv I picked because I feel like I can read him well and he's a really strong player. Damdred I didn't think woudl try to figure out (or out if he knew) my smurf and Marv wouldn't either as he hates when his smurfs are outed. Yamato I picked because he's a strong player that I wanted connected in the mason chain. Rsoultin I picked because I didn't think she had much experience with QT play from both sides and would be easier to get a read on in direct contact I was going to pick Sandroba and Rsoultin, but Marv wanted to grab Sandroba and he knows Sandroba much better than I do so it was fine. | ||
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On May 15 2015 06:21 marvellosity wrote: very little, TD was the one influencing me and VE was away I'll take that as a major compliment. | ||
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On May 15 2015 06:25 Half the Sky wrote: Stutters is an uncounterclaimed vig who claimed the shot on scum Palmar. Do you have adequate reason to think he shot his own scumbuddy? Xatalos was already day-vigged by VE. Right forgot about Xat. Re: Stutters. It's mostly setup speculation based around the number of confirmed KP powers. HTS I think is really towny. Yamato and VE are really towny. Damdred is dead. BM is ??? Of the blue claims, I think Stutters and LS are the most likely to not be town. Granted, Stutters is essentially excluded from being mafia under normal circumstances (unless Sandroba shot Palmer which doesn't seem likely); so the reason why I think Stutters is moreso because it's a huge amount of town KP and a night kill is far more in line with 3 party role. I kinda think BM might have just been town and awful; it's not outside of his playbook and it would be rather odd for mafia to have nukes when town can just auto-shoot them down. It's like useless extra KP. Plus, I find it rather odd that there would be no investigative role OR medic role in the setup. Coroner seems like a natural fit in this setup; or at worst parity cop. But having any of those three in addition to the amount of town KP seems heavily town favored despite the partial flips considering we're told only 5 mafia. If we assume every KP role so far is town, then town has more KP than mafia has members. That's rather excessive and (while yamato pointed out that Ver's game tend to have more KP) I think Hapa would've commented on or changed things. | ||
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Yah, it was a bit weird when he claimed to me. | ||
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On May 15 2015 07:04 marvellosity wrote: like NONE of this is how it happened I trusted TD, I am only in a QT with TD, I didn't tell anyone else but him, yamato and Damdred are nothing to do with it? I didn't "ask" to let sandroba be added to my QT, where are you getting this trash from? Basically this. If you got that from my post, then you've got the wrong assumption entirely. | ||
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This whole conversation is absurdly ridiculous. The level of stupid introduced into this thread is insane. Have you not noticed how things have gone from semi-discussion about people to instead be a handful of people talking about what boils down to mechanics and exceptionally ridiculously risky wifomy plays. Yam was right I shouldn't have outed. But that's because most of you are acting too stupidly and not bothering to think or analyze the game whatsoever. | ||
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On May 15 2015 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote: 2 town recruiters also seems sketchy. How does your role work exactly td? Is it just choose 3 people at the start of the day to create a 1:1 qt? How about you explain how 2 recruiters seems sketchy when we've seen 2 day vigs and 2 nukers when there's also at least 1 Kingmaker and at least 1 night vig first. Of course, none of this is including pardoner, an anti-nuker, claimed martyr or any potentially other existing investigative role? Yet you seem to think that recruiter # 2 is the sketchy role. Explain bish. | ||
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On May 15 2015 09:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Because recruiters are super fucking good. And your recruiting method is different from marvs in a way that's better for scum. Also marv didn't die n1 Right so the argument that you're making is because of the mechanics of my role I'm scum. By that same token, the mechanics of all of the KP roles make them scum as well. Why don't you just admit that you're doing the exact same thing you've done all game? You know, find an excuse to push somebody regardless of actually thinking about their play whatsoever. Really, you're just calling people scum based on really fucktarded reasons just so that you can look like you have, you know, actual reads. You know, just ignore how I've used the role, who I've recruited, why I've recruited them, anything that I've discussed with them, anything that they've had to say about me. Basically like anything actually important to the game. Last I remember Oats, you didn't believe in the too dumb to be scum heuristic. I guess it's because you've proved that you can be both both a idiot and mafia at the same time. We'll just go ahead and lynch you now. Thanks for showing your true colors though  | ||
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On May 15 2015 10:10 Stutters695 wrote: Catching up. Is TD really calling me a scum possibility? Lol No. The way for you to be mafia is that sandroba shot Palmer, then you claimed the shot afterwards. I said there's a chance of you being 3P and that's why I don't think you should be fully off the table considering you're amazing play. Learn to read. | ||
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On May 15 2015 10:59 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont care what you did in your mason chat. And im not gonna lynch you today. You just arent town. Please claim mafia harder. | ||
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On May 15 2015 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote: You keep doing this shit where you incite people and never actually engage in meaningful conversation. You literally said: 1. I don't care what you did in your mason chat. 2. You're not going to lynch me today 3. I'm not town What is there to interact with there? You're flat out ignoring some reasons to in the least consider me town; that's not even considering the QT's in conjunction with my filter. You're flat out saying that I'm a non-town entity. You're flat out saying you don't want to lynch me today. Under what circumstances could any of that make possible make a lick of sense? There's literally nothing else to say about that. | ||
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On May 16 2015 02:38 Oatsmaster wrote: well no, I said he wasnt confirmed town. He chose to take it like I was saying he was 3p or scum. After how many tries Oats? | ||
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On May 16 2015 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Why would I say you are not town rather than you are 3p or scum? Which one carries the point across better? I really dont think this is any deal at all. I think it's a big deal because I think you're trying to back out of shit that you said. Why would you ever bother trying to get across the point that I'm not confirmed town when literally nobody's making the point that I'm confirmed town. Literally the only person trying to claim confirmed town for their roles/actions is Stutters who btw continues to do jack shit. | ||
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The last person I'm considering for lynch is Kelsier. He had like a super odd set of flip-flops all over BM on D1 and I can't understand how in the fuck he gets to his reads whatsoever. The problem though is that Marv thinks he's town and the other people who I want to lynch are heavily looking at KSC which makes me think Marv's right. | ||
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On May 16 2015 08:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: If we don't lynch onegu then what do we do? We lynch you. Ezpz | ||
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TalkingDead
102 Posts
I would've rather seen far fewer roles because that would focus more on play, developing reads, pushing sentiment etc. I really don't get why Sandro or KSC thought I was mafia. Both in thread and QT I was really really townie imo. | ||
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TalkingDead
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On May 17 2015 07:34 Keirathi wrote: More often than not, a lot of town KP tends to actually be really bad for town. This game it happened to work out really well, but I would definitely say this game was the exception rather than the rule. Lots of town KP used reasonably is great for town. When people yolo shit it's when its bad. Ie the BH shot was awful. | ||
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TalkingDead
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This game imo is the reason why you take policy shots and lynches. Even if Xat is a miss, it gets you to a much better position as town. BM should've been shot once the fired the nuke at Marv; just have to ignore him and move on. What I was surprised about was the resistance to shooting/lynching the awful afks like Stuuters, RoL, etc. Regardless of alignment I would've just killing them. Mafia could've gained so much more by using their KP in that direction so they could blend better. That said, the game was really almost thrown by mafia by both BM acting bm and claiming mafia once he could be lynched as well as Palmer making the ridiculous Sandroba case. I'm really surprised that mafia seemed to have no plan going in to things. My personal plan going in was to either luck sack into the mafia team (using my best guesses available early) or failing that to push those people as best I can since they're likely 80% town. Then just try to force town to lynch me. | ||
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TalkingDead
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Like that's the thing, all you really need to do as town when mafia doesn't take time to actively control the game is to not made stupid mistakes. Town tried, but randomly hit the assassin and claimed left and right. They tried to let people live who should die (in a few different regards) but randomly let the right people live. I think if we were to run the game back from the start with town acting like it does, then mafia's at a large advantage because town seems like it's trying to lose. The only exception to that is the fact that a town made a hero shot that hit and strong town players made smart shots. VE made an obvious shot on claimed scum. Damdred made an obvious shot on claimed scum. Yamato made a good policy shot. Like if those three players don't have KP then maybe people take random to bad shots that are significantly lower probability. Like while I don't support the Palmer shot (there are better options imo especially considering the risk with dreamflower), it's understandable because of the Sandroba push. The BH shot was not very good I think; it wasn't awful, but I think it would've been better to use it elsewhere because a lynch on BH is much more important and his role is already "revealed." | ||
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