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Trfel
7015 Posts
Oatsmaster: On May 13 2015 15:44 Oatsmaster wrote: What does this mean?Trfel's town meta read on Kiel almost seems too good. On May 12 2015 12:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Can you explain this read in more detail, please?Voting BM. There's no way he takes this game so seriously as town. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On May 13 2015 12:04 Trfel wrote: It's a meta read. Scum meta comparisons being Game of Thrones Mini Mafia and Carol of the Bells, town meta comparison being Mini Mafia Down Under (1, not 2). As town, KelsierSC opens the game by poking and prodding at people. He's generally moderately active is aggressive with his reads. In contrast, KelsierSC isn't very active as scum. In both of the scum games I looked at, he started the game late (I don't know if this is a trend or coincidence). However, he generally townread most people early on, but made sure to have one scumread. His activity and number of scumreads make him mafia here. It's just so distinct from his normal scum play, and in a way that matches his town play very closely. I still feel that he is making a large number of scumreads and doesn't seem to care between them (scummy because he is giving himself a wide pool to lynch from), and his read progression doesn't always make sense to me, but it isn't bad enough that it outweighs his meta clearly indicating that he is town. bolded is town not mafia right? Your post here is pretty good but it feels a lot like you know hes town and then are giving a bunch of reasons why rather than the other way around. I think that this read wont be so certain if you are town basically. A townBM as he has played over the last day would not have shot those nukes. Shooting nukes is crazy town. BM is clearly not crazy. Therefore he is scum. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 13 2015 16:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Why do you say that Bill Murray is not crazy?bolded is town not mafia right? Your post here is pretty good but it feels a lot like you know hes town and then are giving a bunch of reasons why rather than the other way around. I think that this read wont be so certain if you are town basically. A townBM as he has played over the last day would not have shot those nukes. Shooting nukes is crazy town. BM is clearly not crazy. Therefore he is scum. And yes, the bolded "mafia" should be "town". Sorry about that. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Everything other than his nukes makes it seem like he is trying to play the game and isnt INSANE. anyway, hes dead. NEW TOPIC?? Like why you dont want to kill Xatalos | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 13 2015 17:03 Oatsmaster wrote: That's what I thought you were referring to. This was misread by many, including GlowingBear in his case, as a reference to Bill Murray's meta instead of your (Oatsmaster's) intent, pointing a strange disconnect in his play in this game.Everything other than his nukes makes it seem like he is trying to play the game and isnt INSANE. anyway, hes dead. NEW TOPIC?? Like why you dont want to kill Xatalos Initially, I really liked GlowingBear's case on Oatsmaster, but when I read Oatsmaster's filter, I didn't get the same impression that GlowingBear claimed. I also felt that Oatsmaster's response to GlowingBear's points one and three was acceptable. I actually really think that yamato77 could be mafia here. His play hasn't been very convincing at all. His constant pressure on Blazinghand seemed strange (despite initially sort of defending him, and saying that pressure on him could make him play and that could be good), and I didn't like his read switch on Xatalos (especially because when he scumreads Xatalos, he mentions something that Xatalos had done before yamato77 had townread him). I'm just not seeing the thought process that I would expect from town yamato77. As for Xatalos... I guess I don't really see anything that makes him scum. His reads feel fluid enough to me, and they're mostly reasonable. He hasn't been following the thread sentiment (shown by pushing Onegu and to a lesser extent rsoultin). Furthermore, he is promising activity for Day 2, and he did say that he would be busy before the game began. I read Half the Sky's case on Xatalos, but I disagree with the conclusions that she arrived at. I'm hesitant to say that Xatalos is town because apparently as town, his reads have a lot of depth, and I haven't noticed that here. But I can overlook that for now. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
What about his reaction to BM and the whole "DOES HE CARE ABOUT LYNCHING SCUM" thing? He doesnt care about lynching scum and he has weird fucking reactions to shit. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 13 2015 17:37 Oatsmaster wrote: I really dont think following thread sentiment is anywhere near a scumtell as everyone is trying to say. What about his reaction to BM and the whole "DOES HE CARE ABOUT LYNCHING SCUM" thing? He doesnt care about lynching scum and he has weird fucking reactions to shit. On May 12 2015 02:50 Xatalos wrote: This analysis does look suspicious, but it is correct. Even if Xatalos isn't very decisive here, he lets Bill Murray slide until the second nuke on marvellosity actually goes off, which is a sensible progression. Xatalos's actions were reasonably decisive about this, even if his words were not (he did not vote Bill Murray while many others did).About BM: Never played with him before. His nuke spectacle was basically an anti-town way of using the ability, so it might be necessary to policy lynch him or just Vig him. Typically crazy plays come a bit more often from town than scum so that holds me back from just saying anti-town -> scum. And I think that it is good to lynch the traitor. Xatalos's push on Onegu isn't the only thing he's done this game. I really need to go to sleep now. Still suspicious of Onegu as well. Waiting to see what Xatalos and batsnacks come up with. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
And I think that it is good to lynch the traitor. Xatalos's push on Onegu isn't the only thing he's done this game. It was like 3 posts without even an attempt to engage anyone other than Onegu. Hardly a 'push'. Also scumslip? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On May 13 2015 18:47 Palmar wrote: Marv is 100% mafia. Sandroba is 100% mafia. I'd love to hear this make it good | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
VE doesn't know. I can carry on but I'm not sure I want to. My strength is fading. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On May 13 2015 20:31 marvellosity wrote: so, you're making shit up as you go along for no reason, yes? Why do you speak to me like that demon | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
Is he marv the right or marv the wrong? Is the blazing hand a symbol of the good or a minion of the night? marv is not a friend of Vivax the brave marv is not a friend of the blazing hand marv is not a friend of Bill the murray marv is a friend of sandroba Marv has not chosen his friends wisely... So I ask is marv wise? It is the question that you must answer. If marv is wise, why is he unwise? If marv is unwise, why is he marv? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
useless or malicious? | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
I also think that palmar was being honest in this quote and he isn't playing for the end game at all. He's sad before in his "how to play scum if you are good as town" thing that some townies, which he includes himself into, simply can't make it into the end game as scum and their job is to try to get as many mislynches, disrupt the thread as much they can until they are ultimately lynched for not being right, and that's exactly what he is doing this game. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On May 13 2015 21:54 sandroba wrote: The only thing that bothers me about this is I don't think BH uses palmar as justification to vote me if they are both scum. BH was treating palmar as obv town in his spiel and I don't think he does that to a scum buddy. I'm dead set on Palmar being not town and i would be dissapoint if BH were town so I guess there is traitor/secret role possibility between them? I also think that palmar was being honest in this quote and he isn't playing for the end game at all. He's sad before in his "how to play scum if you are good as town" thing that some townies, which he includes himself into, simply can't make it into the end game as scum and their job is to try to get as many mislynches, disrupt the thread as much they can until they are ultimately lynched for not being right, and that's exactly what he is doing this game. yes I also very much think this. | ||
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