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On May 13 2015 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hm weird my bad, saw bats and obi and combined them.
Obi, explain why BH is scum, ignoring anti nuke play.
Because he was being useless while hiding behind his role, which pretty much summed up my experience with him in Aperture where he was my scummate. Most of his EoD reads looked fake (in regards to calling rsoultin scum because of "emoticons") and it seemed like he was only playing to save himself while he looked totally apathetic beforehand.
I get that town will try to survive a lynch, but it really seemed like BH just didn't care about what was going on beforehand.
If you ignore anti-nuke play, what else did he have?
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On May 13 2015 10:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kiel, how did I float under the rader?
Yamato looks scummy as fuck for not saying anything other than lynch bh multiple times.
you're mafia
and so is BH
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On May 13 2015 11:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hm weird my bad, saw bats and obi and combined them.
Obi, explain why BH is scum, ignoring anti nuke play. Because he was being useless while hiding behind his role, which pretty much summed up my experience with him in Aperture where he was my scummate. Most of his EoD reads looked fake (in regards to calling rsoultin scum because of "emoticons") and it seemed like he was only playing to save himself while he looked totally apathetic beforehand. I get that town will try to survive a lynch, but it really seemed like BH just didn't care about what was going on beforehand. If you ignore anti-nuke play, what else did he have?
Nothing.
Actually thats true, BH is able to just shit content as both alignments.
I guess we see if the content is valid or not
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On May 13 2015 11:05 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 10:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kiel, how did I float under the rader?
Yamato looks scummy as fuck for not saying anything other than lynch bh multiple times.
you're mafia and so is BH
Go on, give actual reasons for at least one of your reads.
From what I read, your BH read was that "hes not doing anything".
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On May 13 2015 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:
For what I've counted, I slightly exceeded post count.
I need people to give me posts. Just three more are okay.
I'm not putting any content in here because I don't want to be unfair and keep exceeding post count. This is just a "begging"
##Give GlowingBear 3 posts
Im not going to lynch BH, and I am kinda ok with xata...
I think the best lynch tomorrow is LS or Rsoul though... LS is still just not giving concrete reads which he does as town he is just commenting on the thread sentiment.
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On May 13 2015 10:48 Blazinghand wrote:1/15 (including the generous donation from stutters) Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 09:38 Stutters695 wrote:
##give 10 posts Blazinghand
I plan on getting some stuff out tomorrow, don't waste those plz BH. Thanks, Stutters. I'll make sure to meet and/or exceed your expectations. I won't specifically mention any pms the host may or may not have sent me, but if *I* were hosting this game, I think the correct way to deal with Blazinghand's overposting would be to allow him 5 posts during N1 and 10 posts during the combined D2+N2 cycle. I'd be pretty surprised if Hapahauli diverged from this gold standard. Not saying anything about any PMs I may or may not have recieved from mods though, since that would be against the rules, just saying that I'd expect someone in my position to be allowed 5 posts N1 and 10 posts during D2+N2, and so some donations (AFTER THE START OF D2) would potentially be useful. Since I have 14 posts for tonight, I'll make sure to stay focused. I definitely pushed it with the amount of posts near the end of D1 there but it prevented me from getting lynched. Sadly, I didn't have the thread influence to make the yamato lynch happen. My initial plans for the N1 involve talking about Yamato a bit, and investigating a couple other scumreads. Probably not rsoultin, since I think it's not important to consider her unless she lives to D2 (she's a very very popular N1 shot since she's universally townread in very game). Then it would be time to talk about her. I'd be interested to hear a bit more from damdy about the his thoughts on what happened with BM and the nature of his Policy Shot. Although I appreciate stopping BM dominating the D1 discussion, what happened to the follow-up on LS and Xat? It's not the strangest thing you voted me (given that you didn't like the fact that I hesitated for like 30 seconds in thread to save Marv), but it *is* strange that you completely fell off on those reads. Maybe they just fell to the back of your mind, but I'ld like to hear what you have to say about them now, Damdred. KSC, I'd like to talk to you about the evolution of your reads on Rsoultin. Early on, you chat with her a bit, then you express some skepticism about her play early on http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24234567 and wonder why people are so quick to (link) call her town. In your consolidated reads post (link)you judge a lot of people on their interactions with her then say she gives you brain cancer. you then adds Rsoultin to your "town cricle and Trfel, to his enormous credit, calls your out on it. KSC, your response is (link): Show nested quote +rsoultin - I have trouble reading her posts , it seemed like she was reluctant to label anyone town or mafia hence my questioning, my town read comes from the fact that if you put the effort to decipher the posts she does give reads and the fact that I remember her as a standout from n0 makes her town to me. which does not actually jive with n0, unless by standout you mean "person who made lots of posts.". The fact that she made lots of posts isn't new information at this point, so I'm wondering if you could elaborate a little on your thought process back there, or was it just you decided that peopel who posted extensively N0 were town, and hadn't thought of that until later on? Your followup is to point out some posts by rso (link) then say (link) that her reasons for calling mafia are bad becasue she called people town. Now here's the thing, I think rsoultin's reason for her 180 on Xata, which is, and I quote, Show nested quote +nd i dunnae xata just...eh. lol he can fool me easily. carol proved that. and i find it really difficult to believe he's already forgotten carol -_- and vivax going after him hard, cause i remember it quite clearly is probably one of the least convincing cases I've ever read. In fact, you definitely read this cause you bolded the text next to it. rsoultin then tells you about this reason, and your rsponse is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24246204Show nested quote +
ok, i just didn't think "eh he fooled me before" was a good enough reason to do a 180 on a read.
i'm sorry
Rsoultin calls you out on it and phrases the read more forcefully (if she did this before then I could see it be a little more convicning and you have this interaction (link) in which rsoultin basically calls you bad and your response is to apologise and make excuses, and remember, this is after you say rsoultin's like, in your town circle or whatever, then you say this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24246281Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 11:31 KelsierSC wrote:On May 12 2015 11:30 rsoultin wrote:
fine. so maybe the problem is that you apologizing to me looked to me like you were retracting your read. am i scum or aren't i, ksc? yeh mate and then this: Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 11:37 KelsierSC wrote:On May 12 2015 11:35 rsoultin wrote:
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i'm going to assume that was meant for me and not ksc -_-
not sure why you seem so damn timid around me, ksc, if you really think i'm scum. i really don't think i'm that scary a person. can tell you one thing, though...that half-assed bullshit isn't going to get me lynched any more than onegu's non-points lol >< okey dokey i don't really care about lynching you today. So now I'm confused. Are you null/confusedreading rsoultin, and don't know why people were townreading her (as earlier)? are you townreading her as part of your town circle? or are you scumreading her? or do you not want to lycnh her? Obviously there's a progression here, but I'm very very confused about what you are thinking near the end here. You then call Vivax's read on rso confusing (link) or confused, then vote Xat. Eventually, you end up here: Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 09:51 KelsierSC wrote:
i'm not sure how to evaluate RS actions EOD as apparently she had some personal vendetta to get bh lynched . not too happy if that is the case.
I personally think there's quite a lot fish about RS (with the unusual amount of emotes, the super dense and difficult to read posts, and the "joking" vendetta that became serious during D1). I'd like to hear more about RS from you, KSC. IT seems like you're confused about your read WRT EoD stuff, but I'd also like to hear about what you were thinking as time went by during N0/D1 as well, when you have the chance.
sure I can talk about that.
N0 I didn't understand the town reads she got because of her style and it felt like she wasn't committing to any reads so she was hard to evaluate for me.
when we got into day phase I wanted to evaluate her. I read what she had put down and i thought going through it that she was making reads it just took a bit of time to fish them out so I had her as town. I also based it on other people calling her town and at the time it was just how I felt about her. She was indeed a standout in my mind from the N0 because she had made a significant contribution in terms of posts.
as for the interaction about her xatalos read, I think the 180 she did was absolutely terrible but sarcasm doesn't really come across well over the internet.
the "i'm sorry" was a sarcastic response , basically continuing to state that her read switch was terrible.
I made it clear with my follow up that I hadn't dropped any reads but that arguing that particular point wasn't going anywhere because she would just insult me or my reading and she is rather unpleasant to talk to. Maybe I could have committed more to that exchange but it was late , i'd been drinking , didn't really feel like carrying on.
to clear up confusion at that point I was scum reading her but I was also aware I was drunk and didn't feel like pushing it along. I did say "i haven't dropped any reads"
I still have a scum read of rs at this point but I haven't really read into what she did EOD, I need to see if her actions were motivated, as you pointed out, by a pathetic personal vendetta, or if she truly thought you were scum and had a good case.
as for ending up on xatalos, he was my strongest scumread at the EOD , I made a case on him and pushed him for a long time. around EOD it was clear that no one wanted xatalos anymore and with the choice being you or vivax I decided that I thought you were town, i liked the post trefl and HTS made on vivax and other people on my town list had also voted him.
I didn't want to waste my vote.
hopefully that clears things up
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i liked the post trefl and HTS made on vivax and other people on my town list had also voted him.
I didn't want to waste my vote.
I really dont like that Kiel feels the need to qualify his switch by saying other people did it.
Coupled with his post when he switched. Not good.
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On May 13 2015 11:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 11:05 yamato77 wrote:On May 13 2015 10:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kiel, how did I float under the rader?
Yamato looks scummy as fuck for not saying anything other than lynch bh multiple times.
you're mafia and so is BH Go on, give actual reasons for at least one of your reads. From what I read, your BH read was that "hes not doing anything".
oh, oats...
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Thank you, Onegu.
Marv, oats, BH and LS are most likely Mafia. In this order. I'll make a post with four cases in it. And this time I will really do it.
Yamato, am I town? Answer me win reasoning, please.
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On May 13 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Thank you, Onegu.
Marv, oats, BH and LS are most likely Mafia. In this order. I'll make a post with four cases in it. And this time I will really do it.
Yamato, am I town? Answer me win reasoning, please.
What is this garbage man.
First you use your pardon super unreasonably then you come up with a completely bullshit scumlist that makes no sense at all.
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On May 13 2015 11:20 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 11:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 13 2015 11:05 yamato77 wrote:On May 13 2015 10:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kiel, how did I float under the rader?
Yamato looks scummy as fuck for not saying anything other than lynch bh multiple times.
you're mafia and so is BH Go on, give actual reasons for at least one of your reads. From what I read, your BH read was that "hes not doing anything". oh, oats...
Oh yamato...
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On May 13 2015 10:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Trfel, talk to me in detail because I've kind of been away from the thread: why is KSC town? It's a meta read. Scum meta comparisons being Game of Thrones Mini Mafia and Carol of the Bells, town meta comparison being Mini Mafia Down Under (1, not 2).
As town, KelsierSC opens the game by poking and prodding at people. He's generally moderately active is aggressive with his reads.
In contrast, KelsierSC isn't very active as scum. In both of the scum games I looked at, he started the game late (I don't know if this is a trend or coincidence). However, he generally townread most people early on, but made sure to have one scumread.
His activity and number of scumreads make him mafia here. It's just so distinct from his normal scum play, and in a way that matches his town play very closely. I still feel that he is making a large number of scumreads and doesn't seem to care between them (scummy because he is giving himself a wide pool to lynch from), and his read progression doesn't always make sense to me, but it isn't bad enough that it outweighs his meta clearly indicating that he is town.
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On May 13 2015 11:13 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:
For what I've counted, I slightly exceeded post count.
I need people to give me posts. Just three more are okay.
I'm not putting any content in here because I don't want to be unfair and keep exceeding post count. This is just a "begging" ##Give GlowingBear 3 postsIm not going to lynch BH, and I am kinda ok with xata... I think the best lynch tomorrow is LS or Rsoul though... LS is still just not giving concrete reads which he does as town he is just commenting on the thread sentiment.
I did give concrete reads on rsoultin, HTS, and KSC you misrepresenting me here........
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On May 13 2015 12:31 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 11:13 Onegu wrote:On May 13 2015 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:
For what I've counted, I slightly exceeded post count.
I need people to give me posts. Just three more are okay.
I'm not putting any content in here because I don't want to be unfair and keep exceeding post count. This is just a "begging" ##Give GlowingBear 3 postsIm not going to lynch BH, and I am kinda ok with xata... I think the best lynch tomorrow is LS or Rsoul though... LS is still just not giving concrete reads which he does as town he is just commenting on the thread sentiment. I did give concrete reads on rsoultin, HTS, and KSC you misrepresenting me here........
EBWOP: I also had a strong Town read on BM before he got shot.
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Oats is Mafia
1) Weird early and unexplained townread on me.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 10 2015 16:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
glowingbear isnt scum, stop that whole line of reasoning. On May 11 2015 09:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gb is town guys. Unless he faked that shit like super super well.
Sandro, talking deads list post was the most recent and longest one, why not point it out?
Also, the tone of your posts is very structured, and the questions you ask seem to be more for show than actually gaining alignment relevant information
Why did he disrupt discussion about me? How can he have this town read based on the list post I've made? Why my list post is hard to fake? This feels so much like when scum!Onegu defended me in a game I can't remember right now. My guess is that he did this to gain town cred (going against thread sentiment).
2) Scumreads Xata early on, makes no attempt to really lynch him. Also scumreads rsoultin but does nothing about it. Also TalkingDead. Votes BM following thread sentiment. Votes Vivax on Final Votecount instead of Xatalos.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 11 2015 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
OK saw the longass post.
That's a bad post.
Mainly because of one point.
When td compares the difference between town-town, he says that they will be able to rethink their reads. But in his town-scum analysis, he said that one of them will keep beating a dead horse, specifying that it might be either. So since they don't know each others alignments, the town - scum scenario he proposes could happen with town - town too. So in conclusion, td is bullshitting his town-town read cause he got caught. On May 11 2015 16:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oo I really don't like rsoultin, that post is way too obvious and it feels like rsoul thought she needed to have a response to bm. On May 11 2015 22:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote BM
Why is my defence of you suprising marv?
On May 12 2015 12:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Voting BM. There's no way he takes this game so seriously as town.
Xata is scum. BH also might be scum.. On May 12 2015 12:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm really confused ve.
Xata is like straight up scum more than bm but I can't push lynch on him right now.
On May 12 2015 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 20:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdy, you asked me questions, never followed up. You said my read on BH is good, but it didn't change your vote, nor created interest in you to pursue more information on him.
Can you give more inputs about this?
Let's lynch BH?
Would you lynch Oats?
What did you make of my answer? dude you arent fucking lynching me again day 1 for no reason. Ok lets lynch Xata then. 100% scum. Im not even kidding On May 13 2015 08:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
LYNCH XATA MAN.
100% SCUM.
Vivax might be but Xata is more scum.
So he initially scumreads TalkingDead, agreeing with Sandroba. Even say "he got caught". Never addresses to TD again.
Then he says he really don't like rsoultin (but he said he can't read rsoultin earlier in the game lol). Never addresses to rsoultin again.
Following thread sentiment, votes BM for an awful reason ("I don't believe BM would be this serious as town"), when "serious" is not the exact word you could use for a guy who uses a nuke on early day1.
Keeps voting BM although giving faint scumreads on Xatalos, never voting him.
I get him off guard and pardon Bill Murray. He can only vote his other two scumreads (Xata or Blazinghand, as I quoted before). He townreads BH over a weak reason and keeps scumreading Xatalos without actively trying to get him lynched (saying to me to "lynch Xatalos he is 100%" only isn't a guy who is actually trying to get Xatalos lynched).
Lands his vote on Vivax instead of voting BH who he had a scumread on.
I just want to remember you that his scumread on BH was because "he suspiciously anti nuked the first nuke", and this is a thing that can't be changed. I have no idea what made him flip his read other than when I revealed two scum partners couldn't waste 2 nukes and antinukes just to gain towncred that can't be gained, but the way he reacted to this statement didn't show sudden realisation on him (as I'll cover in the next item).
Why not trying to get people o Xatalos even BEFORE the wagon on BH happened?
3) Putting BM and BH in the same scumteam.
On May 12 2015 12:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Voting BM. There's no way he takes this game so seriously as town.
Xata is scum. BH also might be scum..
My argument is that this cannot come from a town perspective since I doubt townies would feel BH and BM are possibly in the same scumteam wasting 2 nukes and 2 antinukes. Anyone reading the thread should know this. It is NOT a natural thought process.
Scumreading them both comes much more from a mafia perspective of fitting reads to push his own and/or mafia agenda. It seems to me he just came to the thread, saw a discussion about BM and BH being mafia, and opened his possibilities by listing both of them.
The following posts supports this view:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 12 2015 13:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
BH isnt getting lynched now.
Enough towncred? On May 12 2015 13:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
GB tell me, if someone dayvigged a townie on day 1, will you kill that someone? On May 12 2015 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Like lynch.
BM didnt nuke to look townie, what are you talking about GB.
I would deffo lynch xata On May 12 2015 13:17 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 13:08 GlowingBear wrote:On May 12 2015 13:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
GB tell me, if someone dayvigged a townie on day 1, will you kill that someone? It depends on this guy's thought process Why? ????? like with his first post, ##SHOOT TOWNIE On May 12 2015 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 12:47 GlowingBear wrote:On May 12 2015 12:30 GlowingBear wrote:On May 12 2015 12:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Voting BM. There's no way he takes this game so seriously as town.
Xata is scum. BH also might be scum.. I want to lynch you. Very hard. Your reason to vote BM is bad and you think BH might be scum, so you're assuming Mafia wasted 2 nukes and 2 anti nukes over nothing. Like lol One nuke was fake and why not get cred? Also bm basically killed someone at the start of the day. Does that sound townie to you? Nope. And all his reasoning is real sketchy but he's trying hard so he clearly cares. A townie that shoots someone at the start of the day does not care.
So, instead of having the natural "OH LOL NEVERMIND I'M STUPID" town reaction, he started to JUSTIFY his reads by saying they tried to get town cred, even creating a hypothetical paralel of a Dayvigi shooting a townie.
Wifom sidenote: Funny thing that when he says "shooting a townie" is almost as he is sure that Truffle was town.
Important sidenote!: He even admits that a townie that shoots someone at the start of the day does not care, when his reasoning for voting BM was "BM can't be this serious as town". I understand his argument about a gameplay inconsistency (BM not caring while shooting at the start of the day VS BM caring after being scumread for it), but I don't believe in it.
It's late and I don't want to make more cases today, so I'll save it for my last post. I'm reevaluating my read on marv. Reading his filter, I saw some townie reactions, and that is making me wary.
My scumread on BH and LS are still on.
But we may have to go against more problematic players.
Obi is pretty underwhelming and his playstyle fits so much his mafia meta.
Batsnacks is WTF
RoL is "why do you sign in?"
Onegu is "I have no idea"
VE is "please do your shit"
Palmar looks townie to me but "please step up and do shit, you're doing nothing"
Stutters is "why even signing in?"
Too many information-less players we have to care about
Also, yamato, I'm starting to get on my nerves with you.
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Pfft, "mafia meta." I guarantee you you don't know how to meta me properly.
I don't even understand how you can have 9 people as suspicious in a post dedicated to talking about one person, but I'm really glad I didn't give you posts.
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1) The hard to fake thing is your confusion surrounding the way n0 and the scumteam works. So if you were scum, you would obviously not be confused. So thats an easy townread.
2) My reads changed throughout d1, I always thought BM was scum and voting with thread sentiment is hardly scummy by itself. I dont see the point in voting Xata when Im perfectly happy with BM dying. When you pardon BM, I dont think BH is scum anymore so that point is wrong. And I made a perfectly good case on Xata that is still valid man. Thats pushing. And he did get a decent amount of votes. I switched later to Vivax because it was clear that Xata wasnt getting lynched and BH was more strongly town than Vivax.
3)I dont see the contradiction between having BM and BH on the same scumteam if only the first nuke was shot.
My hypothetical situation was hypothetical and it didnt go anywhere, boo.
My reasoning behind BM was that a townie that cares wouldnt have shot 2 nukes day 1.
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TD hasnt posted much of note recently but Im not gonna push him unless he starts posting more so I can talk to him.
Xata and BM are obvious Vigs and nightkills btw guys.
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On May 13 2015 14:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
TD hasnt posted much of note recently but Im not gonna push him unless he starts posting more so I can talk to him.
Xata and BM are obvious Vigs and nightkills btw guys.
I assume you mean BH? Bm is already dead...
Btw, renege that last: I forgot that Gb was the guy who pardoned Bm in the first place and is still probably town. I don't know what he means by "mafia meta" but even people who play on my scumteams have trouble metaing me properly, so him saying I'm playing to it is really, really weird.
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apparently I was blind.
Ok then, kill Xata.
Trfel's town meta read on Kiel almost seems too good.
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