EPTOn May 13 2015 20:31 Palmar wrote:
It's true.
VE doesn't know.
I can carry on but I'm not sure I want to.
My strength is fading.
It's true.
VE doesn't know.
I can carry on but I'm not sure I want to.
My strength is fading.
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On May 13 2015 23:03 Oatsmaster wrote: If marv says it's not good, he might actually be scum. Just to be clear - are you saying the case on you is good? | ||
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rsoultin
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heh. i've been sitting on things -_- but i'm terrible at sitting on things. firstly, because once ksc explained his read progression on me it actually did make sense (drunk sarcasm/not wanting to engage) and yes I'm leaning town on him now in part because of trfel's meta case, i'll help out the lazy. and yes, i'm going to transition into real sentences for legibility now. what blazinghand is referring to: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2015 04:53 Blazinghand wrote: /in I'll be bringing my A game as I did in Noir before I was accidentally mislynched. I'm not even starting a new job in the near future! PS: I won't RNG unless it's a good idea On May 07 2015 08:40 rsoultin wrote: lol >> <3 i found my day 1 lynch! xD On May 07 2015 09:44 Blazinghand wrote: bring it on sonny On May 07 2015 10:14 rsoultin wrote: \o/ Obviously I don't have it "out" for Blazinghand. I will say that I'm not a fan of his playstyle and that I have a hard time reading him. As for why I thought he was scum this game, a simple filter dive (which for some reason no one seems interested in doing?) shows my thought process pretty clearly. + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2015 15:50 rsoultin wrote: 4! insomnia says hi! [...] bill murray and blazhinghand maybe looking for reactions? bill murray's entrance uber scummy and too willing to give away the postehs so don't have to post, and blazinghand quite brazenly lying in an easily discoverable way xP [...] On May 11 2015 09:47 rsoultin wrote: lol moronic is a state of being xP not dependent on any particular post of yours, but as for this particular game... sandy already pointed out what you failed to read, unless you think it makes sense for scum to sit there and choose their roles blindly independent of one another. i don't know that the hosts are such jokesters, and frankly i don't care, but obviously your list post was worthless anyway because according to you scum has already won  not to mention you failed to read closely enough to even divide your categories properly bring something worth discussing or go away. tiresome one [...] On May 11 2015 10:00 rsoultin wrote: lol the idea is by definition wrong if you have more scum than town it's okay though. i <3 morons (i also speak bh \o/) not everyone can be expected to understand simple logicwho should we lynch, tonto? On May 12 2015 02:25 rsoultin wrote: [...] still think truffle is town so it's hard for me to see scum saving a townie but at the same time...i didn't really like bh's reasoning at all. truffle got mad so he's town? then why ask truffle why he should save him, then base his reasoning not on the answer but on truffle's initial reaction? that's bugging me more than it should maybe >< i dunnae. how likely is it for scum to save town here for towncred? i'm assuming he has multiple anti-nukes... On May 12 2015 03:40 rsoultin wrote: 17/60 [...] could lynch rol palmar honestly though it's kinda plynch-level for me, not sure why bh is town hero though...you don't find how he did the anti-nuke thing weird at all? like literally i'm townreading truffle and STILL have problems with it lol >< maybe i'm way off-base dunnae but it's just so...weird. like bh isn't being like him at all...not sure if it's cause it's a ver game or what but the closest he got to what i'd expect from him is saying i'm too stupid to understand his mad plays \o/ [...] On May 12 2015 05:11 rsoultin wrote: 21/60 i should really f5...less inclined to lynch bh now :/ though i'd still like you to explain your thought process on truffle cause it's still hella weird and yeah probably literally not going to look at this game again until tomorrow morning gonna run out of posts blah On May 13 2015 08:42 rsoultin wrote: 70/76 frankly, unvoting sandroba when voting sandroba can't save you anyway isn't exactly impressive, bh neither is scumreading me based on emoticons. i can kind of believe you think that i have it out for you, because you haven't gotten that i just like to tease you in the past xP (the joke from last post-game, remember?) i find your arrogance amusing and try to mimic it for lolz...my own personal pleasure lol >< you were probably wrong on sandy. you're definitely wrong on me. the unvoting bit is boring; you'd do that anyway to try to avoid the lynch. trying to win...you'd do as either alignment. like nothing you're saying is particularly alignment indicative? i don't want to vote bats or vivax and i know that this means i'm potentially just a big sucker and naive but that's okay xat had a pre-game excuse for his activity...so i guess it's possible he's just sucking activity wise? but frankly, i don't see how having less time makes a player less insightful. just insightful about LESS things. anyway i dunnae bh. i'll be the first to admit i have trouble reading you. the jack-all on day 1 bit is bad play in general. can someone verify he does that in his town games who knows him better? I was actually reading him town initially, because he was flaunting the fact that he was lying in thread about a broken computer by posting in our Community thread about playing some sort of game. I forget which. Probably Dota. Thus I figured maybe he was looking for reactions to get reads on people. By the end of N0 he was in my nullish category for lack of anything to really read him on. Then he posted his town/scum lists based on the pretty queer hypothesis that scum didn't know each other yet. I can see where he got it from if he's town, given Hapahauli's post, however it defies logic and as such I didn't find it impressive (not to mention he clearly didn't read people closely enough, because his categories weren't even right by his own criteria), but notably I did not think he was scum for it, just being illogical. And yes, I called him a moron and started talking down to him as a joke, imitating his way of talking to people. As I've said before, I find it amusing how he talks and it's something of a guilty pleasure to posture to him while mimicking him. What's mafia without having a little fun? My first real suspicion of Blazinghand started when he used his anti-nuke on a townread of mine, ironically. Why? Because he took the time to ask Trfel why Trfel thought that he deserved to be saved, which implies that he was still trying to determine Trfel's alignment. Yet his reason for saving Trfel was simply that Trfel was angry about being nuked? Then why ask the question if he'd already decided that was enough to make Trfel town? It was strange, and although I asked Blazinghand about it (directly and indirectly) he never clarified. (Also, just going to put this out there: Trfel is someone I am exceedingly good at reading, and typically disagree with a lot of people on (i.e. Noir 3, Student Mafia V, Newbie Mini Mafia LXI, etc. in my profile, I tend to read him right and early). Perhaps it's arrogance, but I don't actually expect people to townread (or scumread) him as soon or as accurately as me, based on past experience. Objectively Trfel had done nothing terribly townie at that point. I read him on tone.) An explanation would not be complete without the moment of doubt. I had Blazinghand as scum in my mind and was ready to lynch him with the Marvellosity nuke, before he came in and shot that down, too. At first, that made me think that maybe he could be town, given some of Marvellosity's recent posting (namely the being dickish which he himself admits is a towntell of his) suggested town to me. As he continued to do nothing or weigh in on anything, however, I became increasingly convinced that he was scum riding that fun anti-nuke towncred. As I noted in the final post while he was flailing around in an attempt to avoid getting lynched, nothing he was saying at the time was really alignment-indicative. He wanted to "win", to "not get lynched". Okay? Scum wants the same things. He changed his read on sandroba. Okay? He needed to unvote sandroba anyway to save himself. He may have spewed a lot of words, but I fail to see what was so impressive about them. Bonus: Vivax was town for a few clear reasons. First, he knew the vanilla VT flavor. Yes, I am claiming vanilla VT because frankly it has to be damn obvious by now. Vivax first brought up that he was a "pleb" talking to LightningStrike, which to me looked like he was trying to get a read on LS...it definitely would mean nothing to anyone who wasn't VT, him claiming that. I even checked prior Ver games to be sure this flavor hadn't been used before. Since this didn't come at a time when a scum Vivax would be likely to ask the hosts for a fake claim, I accepted it on faith. Additionally, his reaction to being wagoned was excessively townie. He did not panic. He started dumping reads for after his flip. If there was a sense of panic with the reads dump, it would not have been alignment indicative, but he clearly wanted his thoughts in thread before he died and didn't care about the lynch itself. Anyone scumreading him after that, frankly, just cannot read tone or is scum. I would never, ever vote Vivax over Blazinghand Day One because of how sure I was that Vivax was town. Plain and simple. Now does everyone understand why I do not usually play this way? I am writing novels and people are unlikely to read novels. At least my thought process should be excessively clear this way. Now...because I need to finish my term papers and do not want to forget...I do have a crappy association element involved in my read on Blazinghand: Marvellosity did not react to being nuked. It took me awhile to really notice this, but Marvellosity, who flames people for scumreading him when he's town and loses his shit did not react to being nuked. That suggests to me that the nuke would not succeed. He also did not flame me for scumreading him early, but instead criticized (I believe) Oatsmaster (could be OWS if my memory is failing me) for defending him. This is a very rational response since he didn't look town at all early game however Marvellosity is typically not rational at all about being scumread. I've had a townread on Bill Murray for awhile. Some of it is tone. Some of it is I liked the thought process going into some of his reads (whether I agreed with it or not). That left Blazinghand. Why is Marvellosity not afraid of the nuke? Not angry about it? Blazinghand will anti-nuke it. And he did. Now, admittedly recently it occurred to me that Blazinghand possibly could be town (despite his complete lack of contributions to Day One while riding that towncred) and scum simply has an anti-nuke role, too. It is highly likely that scum could have such a role for obvious reasons. Add on to this that Marvellosity started a train on Blazinghand, then came back in and switched for very poor reasons back to Vivax, despite stating earlier that Vivax looked better than both Xatalos and Blazinghand. Even if we accept that a "baked" Marvellosity really thought that Blazinghand's posting looked so good at EoD, where did the Xatalos read go? Apparently it fell off the face of the earth. I still am highly suspicious of Marvellosity and Blazinghand for the above-stated reasons. I choose to post this now because I want to make sure this gets into the thread in case I don't have time for full reads, as I really need to get my schoolwork done. To round out my current scumreads, Xatalos looks terrible by association, and I think that Damdred's read on him is probably correct given past history (Carol). I also noticed how he seems to pluck up others' reads, not just thread sentiment. (KelsierSC's read on me is one example.) Lastly, Onegu. Independent of everyone else, on tone and familiarity with him (note his complete lack of presence at EoD?) I still strongly believe that he is scum. But honestly he probably is not high-priority compared to the others. I do not have a fifth scum. I have plenty of townreads or leans, but I imagine the fifth is somewhere in the lurkers that are currently impossible to read. lol! that was way too long a post >< please don't make me be all serious and wordy again ;o; i much prefer sarcasm | ||
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21. VisceraEyes 1. marvellosity 3. GlowingBear 4. Trfel 5. sandroba 6. Half the Sky 8. yamato77 11. rsoultin 18. KelsierSC 19. TalkingDead 23. Vivax MAFIA 2. Onegu 7. Xatalos 9. batsnacks 12. Oatsmaster 15. RebirthOfLeGenD 20. Palmar IDONTKNOW 10. ObiWanShinobi 13. LightningStrike 14. Blazinghand 16. Bill Murray 17. Damdred 22. justanothertownie 24. Stutters695 This is where I'm at currently. As for my mafia list, Onegu and Xata are pretty much either/or...if one of them is mafia, the other probably is not. They've both done things I would classify as scummy, but Xata was going on and on about Onegu being the Traitor and voted for him (uselessy) D1. I...don't think they do that as mafia/mafia. Batsnacks is pretty straight-forward. I mentioned earlier how he came into the game early on spouting nonsense, and then when he came back he pretended to have contributions (Sandroba is mafia, but I can't tell you why because ROOOOLLEEEE). Oatsmaster is more of a tone read. As town I feel like Oats gives fewer fucks what people say and think, and in this game he seems to care a great deal what people think. RoL is probably mafia because of his repeated promises to contribute and then lack of following through. I think he does this as either alignment, but as town he actually has content in his few bouts of activity. This game we get ZERO content. It reminds me very much of his play in Storm, where he was AFK mafia. Palmar is just fun to lynch, but I also think he's probably mafia here too. His case on sandroba is laughably bad (in that it ignores the fact that sandroba is capable of everything Palmar is accusing him of as town, and meta-wise sandroba is like never mafia this game) and his responses to people calling it bad are bad (marv is mafia?!?!?!). Everyone on my town list is there because they're active in the game and seem to be obviously trying to figure it out. My order isn't important (I think most of it is in order of the playerlist) but I moved myself to the top for obvious reasons.  If you're in my IDONTKNOW list then you should probably do something about that before tomorrow. | ||
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On May 13 2015 23:42 marvellosity wrote: rsoultin, are you suggesting that with a town-Vivax leading the votes by quite some margin, I decide to create and repeatedly push a wagon on my scumbuddy for some reason? 76/76 I wasn't going to use my last post for this but :/ meh. At least then I won't be distracted by the game lol. I'm more suspicious of you than Blazinghand, actually. I think your reaction to the nuke and your behavior around EoD is highly suspicious. Whether that's because I'm wrong on Bill Murray, Blazinghand is a scum anti-nuker, or there's another anti-nuker hiding somewhere in the ranks, doesn't really matter. The baked thing is kind of convenient but I've never seen you use that excuse before in any of the games we've played together. The Xatalos read flat-out disappeared when you returned to the thread. Quite simply, following a logical train of thought on the presumption that I am right on both you and Blazinghand, you pushed a lynch on your scum buddy to be able to say that you pushed a lynch on your scum buddy if he eventually flipped. You did not follow through. Now why could that be? Yes, that looks scummy. You usually do not do obviously scummy things as scum...you're usually aware of how you look. However, if Blazinghand flips scum you and Trfel will immediately come under suspicion. So yes, I think it's quite possible for you to both push him and then go out of your way to protect him, despite how bad it looks, if you are scum together. It is quite feasible and certainly not reason enough to clear either of you. Bats is town because Vivax is town. Filter dive him VE. Bats thought sandroba was scum because sandroba kept pushing him after the claim. I asked him how realistic that was because, obviously, not all town are vanilla town anyway. Sandroba is also likely town for many reasons. Sorry, Palmar...I'm leaning town on you but I don't agree on your sandroba read  He also recognized what bats was talking about. Yes, I've been using bats and vivax to get some reads of my own lolThis was my last post. The sadness. GB Trfel Damdred HTS Bats Sandroba I'm pretty sure are town here. Town leans on Palmar Yamato (he's falling because I actually didn't really like his behavior around EoD either, odd as that sounds; he just seemed too sure. however there's a very good reason he might be sure, which would be the same reason i was sure, so i'll keep him in my town leans) OWS (tonal. i can't explain it. it's just a feeling and shouldn't be taken too seriously) LS (though honestly I'm a little disturbed by his lack of contribution lately and maybe he should be dropped back to null) those i haven't explicitly mentioned as scum and don't appear on this list are null...or i forgot them :/ which probably means they're null anyway. VE, I just don't know you well enough to read you, sorry | ||
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On May 13 2015 23:30 marvellosity wrote: Just to be clear - are you saying the case on you is good? no. | ||
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On May 13 2015 23:59 rsoultin wrote: Quite simply, following a logical train of thought on the presumption that I am right on both you and Blazinghand, you pushed a lynch on your scum buddy to be able to say that you pushed a lynch on your scum buddy if he eventually flipped. You did not follow through. Now why could that be? Yes, that looks scummy. You usually do not do obviously scummy things as scum...you're usually aware of how you look. However, if Blazinghand flips scum you and Trfel will immediately come under suspicion. So yes, I think it's quite possible for you to both push him and then go out of your way to protect him, despite how bad it looks, if you are scum together. If you think this is actually viable re: me pushing BH over and over for random cred I don't know what to tell you, but it's really really really terrible. re: Xata, I thought (and I even mentioned as much in my posts) that he had looked a touch better in his posting in the 2nd half of the day. And then sandroba agreed with me that he didn't want to lynch xata now either, which made me feel better about that pov. And then Damdred said we should maybe give Xata some more time if he's genuinely busy, which also seemed reasonable. btw BM was very likely mafia and you're bad for thinking he wasn't. | ||
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Not kidding. Every single time. | ||
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 I think point 1 of GB's case is pretty good and I have caught you like that before (LIX).I don't think the point about your reads not matching (BH/BM) is very good, because I don't think it makes much sense at all for me to be mafia with BH (as explained to rsoultin), yet GB did a similar thing when he was calling BH + me mafia. People can and do make reads that don't make sense a lot of the time. | ||
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