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Onegu looks quite odd. Yamato looks really towny though; he can do this as mafia but I'd peg him as town. So far, I'd lynch BillMurray. I've seen him as town and as town he rarely does absolutely nothing and be useless. I would prefer him as a lynch. BlazingHand should be policy lynches/shot ASAP. Rsoultin is being townread for very bad reasons; she's might be town, but nothing he's posted is something she couldn't have or wouldn't have posted as mafia. Otherwise, meh. | ||
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TalkingDead
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Yamato like many veterans generally gives very few fucks when he can't lynch people. Between tone (slight hopeful, slight asshole) and his color coding, these are far more likely to come from town!yamato. The interesting thing to note is that he doesn't seem to care whatsoever what he says; instead, he pops in, makes a comment and leaves. I for one expect more from him, but there doesn't look like he has any ulterior motive in posting. Rather he just says what he wants to say. That's why I have him as so strongly town. KelsierSC I think he's town mostly based on how obviously hypocritical he is. He spends the first half of his posts talking about how awful other people's post are and how they're wasting posts while he doesn't really bother adding anything himself. That's behavior that I tend to associate with town more than mafia. There's also the aspect that there's no real directional push; rather, it's pecking at a variety of other players. The only reason why I would put him on the town side of null instead of fully town is because his reads are pretty terrible. I find how he backs off of GB rather odd; I can't really understand: On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: He has gone back and looked over his reads and made some alterations which is a towny thing to do. Because when you look at GB's filter, I'm not seeing any alterations in his reads. First post is essentially a joke; GB has 1 moderate length reads post and a post expanding upon his MIA Damdred read. Rather the GB read feels very much like a preemptive defense while trying to push elsewhere. So if either GB or Kelsier flips mafia, then I'd take a heavy look at the other. VisceraEyes I find it rather out of place that VE is somewhat bothering to play if VE is town. I agree with Kelsier that on tone, VE looks a bit towny, but quite often VE has complained about not being able to lynch people. By this I mean that in games like PYP or here, where there's a 'pre-game' phase where you have alignment and can talk but are unable to lynch people quite often he as complained about not bothering to play because there's very little point in playing due to the lack of a perceived threat. He can't realistically threaten to lynch or shoot or nuke or whatever anyone and therefore feels less capable of applying pressure. I do find it odd that he didn't harp on BillMurray's last post at all because usually town!VE hates and tends to scumread the "leading on" type of post. His Batsnacks read and his GB/Batsnacks/Onegu observation are things that I'd normally expect from town!VE though. Since in at least a few of those games VE was mafia and because town!VE reads, I'm going to leave him at null to town. marvellosity I have him as town for tone alone. It's really not worth considering him until day 2 at the very earliest and if he's alive on day 3 then just lynch him. But I will be sheeping him on day 1. HalftheSky HTS is town. Period. She's made an exceptional number of interesting points (GB reaction to yamato, Damdred's word choice, initial poke at LightningStrike). BillMurray On May 10 2015 18:40 Bill Murray wrote: Oh I've been filter diving. Didn't expect anyone to post. As per "This rule will not be absolutely strictly enforced" in the op I hope going 3 posts over isn't a big deal... because I have been working on a massive post tomorrow. This post strikes me as particularly odd. Not only had he donated posts to Damdred, something which historically has happened more from mafia than town, he doesn't use any of his posts productively. He promises more useful things in the bland future. Yet, the most interesting thing to me is his caring about going over the limit. That's a behavior that I expect far more to come from mafia as they know they're part of a team which they would hurt by getting modkilled due to rules. Town tends to just damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead. This is on top of BillMurray not being an awful player as town. By far the best lynch on day 1. Onegu There's a variety of odd things with him. I think he's the third best lynch on day 1. He's drinking but doesn't post. There's this post: On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote: Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!! Which is a really odd thought process to me. How could town possibly get the traitor role? Usually town that can become mafia has a different role name. This is also a normal game and therefore no alignment changes should ever happen. Trfel Trfel's posts aren't quite in-depth enough for me to really think he's town, but I like the points he's making. Null-town for now and flesh it out more on day 1. LightningStike Others have covered this for the most part. LS is the second best lynch for D1. Damdred GlowingBear In looking through things there are a few things I find interesting. On May 10 2015 12:36 GlowingBear wrote: 4)Kelsen Null opening. Commenting on something already dropped in the thread it's an easy out for Mafia but the joke made me have a townish gut read on him. A negative read + a positive read = null FUCK YEAH MATHMATEKS. Then he calls LS out for legit reasons. Townread. I already know he is mafia because SICK READS (TM) Saying Rasputin is town for her opening is odd, there is nothing alignment indicative in there, so bad opening. 6)LS Posts two posts to say he will resort on consolidated posts. Lol I'm tempted to call him Mafia for that but I can see it coming from both alignments... Argh. I found this post quite odd. Initially so because he reaffirms his Damdred scumread but then bothers to comment on something that's supposed to be viewed as scummy but is just null. The townread on KelsierSC I find interesting because Kelsier also ended up with an odd townread on GlowingBear. But also because GlowingBear doesn't mention Trfel at all while Trfel had an interesting point on how LightningStrike was posting. But in looking further at it, he doesn't seem to place heavy weight on LS being mafia based on talking about how he's going to make consolidated posts. He gives Kelsier a townread for mostly calling out LS for "legit reasons" which GlowingBear doesn't want to follow up on. It's just exceptionally odd. GlowingBear's reads in general are just exceptionally odd on top of that. Initially, I felt like GlowingBear was trying to bus Damdred and Damdred was (at least initially) trying to back him out of that read in a semi-natural way and get GlowingBear to chill out. But in looking more specifically at the connections, the KelsierSC-GlowingBear connection is a bit more odd. I think there are better lynches on day 1 because often enough the person with really weird fucked up reads is just a bad towny which wouldn't be out of place for GlowingBear. But I also wouldn't balk at his lynch since something's definitely wrong here. 5)Damdred This post is too long already and I need to get some food. I'll comment on him later. tl;dr I think GlowingBear vs Damdred is more likely to be town-town right now. Nothing of note to say about Xatalos batsnacks ObiWanShinobi Oatsmaster justanothertownie MIAs Palmer Stutters Vivax Blazinghand sandroba RebirthOfLeGend | ||
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TalkingDead
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On May 11 2015 09:53 KelsierSC wrote: TD is who I want to lynch right now , TD i still want you to respond to the post I made before this, I asked you several questions that need a response. Noted that you and several other people want answers that are wholly irrelevant. Do you have any other pipe dreams you want to talk about? | ||
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On May 11 2015 10:49 sandroba wrote: His GB-damdred town-town read might very well be true, but the way he arrives at it is not a way that a townie does. Considering that I haven't in any realistic way explained either the town-town or mafia-mafia read and that I haven't explained why I've ended up on town-town, you're making some major presumptions about how I arrive at that specific read. Honestly, I think you need to reread the game with a new set of eyes because I think you're really off base about numerous things. | ||
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On May 10 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote: Damdred is also mafia On May 10 2015 11:15 GlowingBear wrote: O, hai! I'm John Travolta! Yamato and HTS are Mafia. On May 10 2015 11:20 Damdred wrote: This is almost as bad a read as me saying GB is town just saying. However at this point I have a couple of preliminary town reads I believe just by tone and posting style and somewhat on content. Rsoultin seems to be genuinely using the posts to press good ideas while pressing issues that are important in the thread. HTS and Trfel both seem to have a good tone about them and it seems it is easy to follow what they mean while it somewhat mirrors what RS says I think it is a good sign of things to come and both are good leans. KSC... is a bit harder for me to get a handle on at this point, I have a slight town lean on him. His tone and general demeanor remind me of Void Mafia at this point. However his style is also reminiscent of mini mafia to an extent, but the content is different. I'm pretty ok with him at this point. LS is interesting, he always wastes posts but we'll see what his other posts do. Damdred chides GlowingBear while clarifying reads. On May 10 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote: Damdred is also mafia On May 10 2015 11:35 Damdred wrote: I'm glad that Trfel and KSC seem to be thinking critically now. Your original question kel was a little lacking but the follow up was much better I think. Firstly I don't necessarily have to agree with someones read on them to like the direction that they are going in the way that they are posting or the ideas they are pushing. I think that HTS tone is decent in the post and I just kind of tacked it on to see who would call me out on it while they were reading. Plus it got some more conversation going (5) Damdred makes what looks like a snide compliment implying GB isn't thinking whatsoever and just ignores GlowingBear. On May 10 2015 12:36 GlowingBear wrote: 5)Damdred I already know he is mafia because SICK READS (TM) Saying Rasputin is town for her opening is odd, there is nothing alignment indicative in there, so bad opening. GlowingBear makes his large post with the odd Damdred followup. On May 10 2015 13:25 Damdred wrote: Obviously I think that GB is a busser and will just keep hitting his team mates over the head until he dies or his team mate dies we did it ourselves in a previous game. And it is possible that there is some connection between who he is scum reading potentially and himself but i'm not sure that hes necessarily scum but he is on the scummy side of null currently. For example in his reads list a lot of what he says follows thread sentiment, theres nothing here that is against the grain so to speak, nothing really is standing out a part from what other people have generally said. Also the read on batsnacks is interesting because it is reversed from GB calling him townsnacks earlier for sarcasm (which is a sign of a town snacks at points.). Theres also an unevenness to how GB is reading if I pull your attention to Yamatos post and HTS post that GB is referring to, both of them cover the same topics and both have this sense of excitement about specific roles. Others have already commented on the tone of it, however GB is reading both of them differently by the same amount of content and for the same crime. I dislike this and give GB a scum point Also i'm a bit biased due to it being about me, but his read on me is by the large completely devoid of reason. My response to RS opening is pretty null usually par to town read the first person posting even if its joking. However I have around 6 other content posts that GB ignores and doesn't even comment on just being happy to call me scum for a bad opening which again the unevenness putting other people at null for the same reasons. I actually think GB is a scum lean just a really weird list post with unevenness throughout (8) Damdred counter pushes GlowingBear almost reactively in a "explore every detail" aspect. On May 10 2015 13:55 GlowingBear wrote: I'm at the party, won't go more in depth. Anyone scumreading me now is bad. Damdred is always Mafia this game. Already. Summarising why: townreads me for having a bad read on yamato, but says nothing about yamato being town. Says HTS is town but does not say that my scumread on her is bad. Has weird instant townreads, specially on people he knows he can't have a good read this early (Rasputin's scum and town play are very similar, and he knows my reads can be bad as both town as Mafia after the latest games we played together, he can't have a town OR scumread based on that) GlowingBear counter-counterpushes back. On May 10 2015 14:23 Damdred wrote: I never town read you.... I make a sarcastic remark about your read being as bad almost as bad if I called you town at that point.... But no never town read you. My read on rsoultin is actually really good now days. Her town and scum games are actually very different on a few levels but I don't want to go into that giving her hints how to improve at this point, also its tradition to always townread the first post lol.. But anyway Also GB isn't reading it seems never tries to refute what I'm saying just throwing dirt on me to try to discredit some valid things in saying about the list but instead like I said is throwing sand without actual interaction or showing why in the original post or here. It is strangely familiar if you look at mini mafia 2 and how he interacted with palmar early in the game. (9) also <3 bill Then Damdred tries to disengage with the classic, "He's just mudslinging for total discredit value instead of arguing points." The point of this is that neither really goes ham on the other. There's no large shitstorm, mudslinging or dickwaggling contest. For the most part, both of them tend to believe that they're right and that ignore relevant points the other has while claiming the 'high ground' for themselves. Then for the most part they both disengage from direct contact to worth with others. To me, this is a situation where they share alignments because as town-town they both know they can be wrong here and instead want to either engage other people to confirm or deny biased views. As mafia-mafia, there's no real advantage to hard double bus this early and get heavily place the focus on both of you especially when Damdred is a player who (while good at scum) works best when he's out of the direct spotlight. I excluded mafia-town because normally in mafia-town interaction, one of the two will hold onto and beat a dead horse (in regards to arguing with the other person). The specific reason why I end up at town-town specifically on the two is because that's where I end up on both of them individually. Damdred looks really towny to me based on how he's interacting, tone, interest level and thought process. GlowingBear is likely the most controversial person in the thread; the most controversial person is almost always town. On the whole, I'm surprised that you're less interested in talking about BillMurray, Blazinghand, LightningStrike or numerous others. Potentially even Trfel. | ||
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TalkingDead
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On May 11 2015 12:20 sandroba wrote: If I'm wrong about this TD thing, which certainly I'm considering, I think Oats Congratulations on a not terrible read. Would you like a cookie? | ||
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On May 11 2015 12:29 KelsierSC wrote: you called him town because he is being obstructive and not explaining...then he explains his read but you still call him town. then you say he is town because he is choosing not to blend in, but I explained he has no option to blend in so it is completely irrelevant. So me making the largest analysis post of the game reasonably early on is "blending in"? That's a bit odd for someone who's hand is in every cookie jar. | ||
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On May 12 2015 01:59 Bill Murray wrote: i cant be the leading votegetter when I fire a nuke or it doesnt work If the nuke lands, then we definitely should just lynch BM. | ||
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On May 11 2015 22:00 Bill Murray wrote: ##nuke: Marvellosity On May 11 2015 22:00 Bill Murray wrote: ##unvote ##vote: TalkingDead Pretty interesting that he takes time to make sure he can launch a nuke this time. And Stutters you're right, he wasn't. I was thinking of last votecount. | ||
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Blazinghand is an interesting person that's been brought up a bunch because of his anti-nuke. Mainly because he anti-nuked so early and because he's the type of person that as mafia would anti-nuke anyone for credit. More interestingly, he's also the type of person who would plan this sort of clustfuck situation with BillMurray to thoroughly get the thread to shit pretty quickly. I'm going to look at him more in depth later. However, the person that I find the most interesting is Oatsmaster. Generally what I've seen from Oatsmaster as town is that he's abrasive and does his own thing. Whereas in this game, he tends to just follow what's going on with thread sentiment. Specifically: On May 11 2015 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Sandros shit seems really planned out and fake. Like this post right, marv doesnt do that. And a scumread for not posting is pretty bad considering the general lack of content. And i really fucking hate lists posts man, seriously dont post a huge list of nonsense. Talkingdead especially. Is that rayn? On May 11 2015 09:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Gb is town guys. Unless he faked that shit like super super well. Sandro, talking deads list post was the most recent and longest one, why not point it out? Also, the tone of your posts is very structured, and the questions you ask seem to be more for show than actually gaining alignment relevant information On May 11 2015 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Meh whatever rsoul, marv isn't gonna get lynched today if that's your attitude. I'm actually inclined to agree with sandro about td. He just dodged all the questions by saying "reread" ... On May 11 2015 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote: OK saw the longass post. That's a bad post. Mainly because of one point. When td compares the difference between town-town, he says that they will be able to rethink their reads. But in his town-scum analysis, he said that one of them will keep beating a dead horse, specifying that it might be either. So since they don't know each others alignments, the town - scum scenario he proposes could happen with town - town too. So in conclusion, td is bullshitting his town-town read cause he got caught. The thing is though that Sandroba's points on me haven't really changed for the most part. It's been spread on the same set of things for the most part. So there's no real clear reason for the change from "made up fake shit" to "great read." The's also really not a clear reason for Sandroba going from town to mafia. Then after marvellosity makes his large post, Oats seems to drop everything and switch to BillMurray. He had previously fingered BillMurray for seemingly no reason (it was before either nuke). Rather, Oats just seems to follow the thread sentiment and look to blend. He has only hints at why his reads are and there's no discernible progression. That in my experience is scum!Oats. | ||
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On May 12 2015 08:08 Onegu wrote: I really doubt a scum BM would fire to nukes. Can you explain why you think this? | ||
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I disagree with yamato about GlowingBear's read on Blazinghand. It was something I was thinking at the time and reaffirms my townread on GlowingBear. It's less about how Blazinghand is using his role than it is about Blazinghand's approach to the game that's telling to me. I can imagine scenarios where Blazinghand instantly negates the nuke on Trfel (empathy/sympathy/whatever) and I can imagine scenarios where Blazinghand tries to engage Palmer regarding shooting down the marvellosity Nuke (trying to get separate reads on a player who can be difficult to read). However, it's the contrasting approach which is quite interesting and relevant. Blazinghand while relatively insane is not stupid; he has far more to gain (as town) from interacting with Trfel to get a read on him. Trfel as I recall had a handful of posts at the time and, while I and many if I recall were soft townreading him, I don't think there's any strong definitive read to be made at that point. Rather, when the marvellosity (who was obviously town at that point) nuke is confirmed seeks approval. Blazinghand is the type of player who will literally march to the beat of his own drum to his own detriment. So the fact that he's seeking approval for doing something that's quite obviously townie is exceptionally out of character. The closest thing to being semi-productive that Blazinghand has done this game is this post: On May 11 2015 08:37 Blazinghand wrote: So it seems like things should be prety straightforward in terms of hunting scum. I didn't mention this earlier because I needed people to be posting without knowing about this. Basically, right now people only have PMs revealing alignment, right? What this means is scum do not know who their scumbuddies are. Since they don't want ot accidentally push scumbuddies, for the first 24 hours of the game you can expect scum to not want to give scumreads. They don't want to be forced to backtrack later. So who's giving scumreads and who isn't? People who haven't given solid scumreads, or have given only joke scumreads: Marv Onegu Trfel Sandroba Xat bats rso oastmaster LS (I assume, it's kinda hard to read this dude's post) RoL Bill Murray Palm VE JAT Vivax Stutters People who have made scumreads, or said they want to lynch someone, which would be risky for scum to do: GB HtS (some) Yamato OWS Damdred KSC TD so GB HtS Yam OWS Damd KSC TD are town, the rest of you are scum ez Normally, BH would have some crazy insane convoluted plan to find scum. He usually uses RNG to decide the day 1 lynch (more often as town than as mafia in my experience). Yet this game the closest thing to insane that he's done is the Trfel anti-nuke. His play is out of character even for him. Yes, the action usage is marginally useless, but the reasons (or more appropriately lack of reasons) behind his actions point towards him not being town. | ||
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However, the person that I find the most interesting is Oatsmaster. Generally what I've seen from Oatsmaster as town is that he's abrasive and does his own thing. Whereas in this game, he tends to just follow what's going on with thread sentiment. Specifically: On May 11 2015 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Sandros shit seems really planned out and fake. Like this post right, marv doesnt do that. And a scumread for not posting is pretty bad considering the general lack of content. And i really fucking hate lists posts man, seriously dont post a huge list of nonsense. Talkingdead especially. Is that rayn? On May 11 2015 09:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Gb is town guys. Unless he faked that shit like super super well. Sandro, talking deads list post was the most recent and longest one, why not point it out? Also, the tone of your posts is very structured, and the questions you ask seem to be more for show than actually gaining alignment relevant information On May 11 2015 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Meh whatever rsoul, marv isn't gonna get lynched today if that's your attitude. I'm actually inclined to agree with sandro about td. He just dodged all the questions by saying "reread" ... On May 11 2015 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote: OK saw the longass post. That's a bad post. Mainly because of one point. When td compares the difference between town-town, he says that they will be able to rethink their reads. But in his town-scum analysis, he said that one of them will keep beating a dead horse, specifying that it might be either. So since they don't know each others alignments, the town - scum scenario he proposes could happen with town - town too. So in conclusion, td is bullshitting his town-town read cause he got caught. The thing is though that Sandroba's points on me haven't really changed for the most part. It's been spread on the same set of things for the most part. So there's no real clear reason for the change from "made up fake shit" to "great read." The's also really not a clear reason for Sandroba going from town to mafia. Then after marvellosity makes his large post, Oats seems to drop everything and switch to BillMurray. He had previously fingered BillMurray for seemingly no reason (it was before either nuke). Rather, Oats just seems to follow the thread sentiment and look to blend. He has only hints at why his reads are and there's no discernible progression. That in my experience is scum!Oats. | ||
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On May 12 2015 19:01 marvellosity wrote: We can, ish, but I think that verges a little more into policy, maybe. Is it really a policy lynch to kill people who have 8 posts about nothing interesting that offer nothing of note and more than likely will continue said trend? Because I call that modus operandi. He's a far worse offender than Palmer. At least Yamato has some interesting posts. | ||
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