Noir Mini Mafia: Chapter 3 - Page 9

On April 30 2015 19:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

You actually expect Yamato to be more likely town than me. I don't believe anyone that's actually thinking about the game can think that.

On April 23 2015 08:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Several times? This is the only one I can find ctrl-f'ing truffle in your filter.


Which I guess I can work with. He's only played one scumgame according to the DB so far though (Student) where he got copchecked as scum on D2. Not much to work with, especially since I coached him that game and gave him a bunch of tips I'd expect him to incorporate into his play.

On April 30 2015 20:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also, Palmar, if you could explain why I'm mafia at some point in this game that'd be dandy. You did promise you'd start to play after we flipped Wave.

On April 24 2015 22:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I definitely don't want to lynch Yamato today or probably any day. His mafia game is much worse than what he's shown so far and he cares too much.

Damdred's Trfel case is bad. Doubt is a town trait for Trfel. What I'm more worried about is that he artifically inserted doubt when I pointed out how his read on me was too strong for his normal towngame, and thus became more doubtful in general.

What's stopping me from going full yolo on a Trfel lynch is that he feels very reasonable. He keeps re-evaluating me (even though I don't understand at all how he comes to his conclusions, on me at least) and seems to be very fluid in his reads, which is something that's very difficult as scum.

I think I want to lynch Palmar today. Trfel said he's been trolling, but I feel like Palmar hasn't really trolled as much as not giving a shit. He's pushed Wave mostly without much reasoning and has just not given a lot of shits about anything else. He made this one terrible list post that didn't have any reasons which Marv once told me is a hallmark of his scumgame (and he hasn't posted any reads lists as town since Imperial whilst he has as scum). His 'town meta' of not doing anything is easily replicable as scum. He's been townread for it before, I see no reason why he wouldn't attempt to replicate it as town.

There's no reason to read Palmar as town, his unsubstantiated reads list is scummy and he hasn't truly trolled in a way that causes people to rise up against him. It's been calculated play.
##Vote Palmar

On April 28 2015 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think I may be on board for a Wave lynch after going through the last few pages of his filter. It feels a lot like he's commenting on the game rather than figuring out stuff like Palmar pointed out. He's voted Yamato but doesn't really push him, and then there's oddball comments like

When we've been talking about Trfel for a while at that point, so one would expect he'd have more specific reasons. Furthermore, his vote is still on Yamato.

I'm actually struggling with voting him a lot because he's been very reasonable to me and I like him so I really don't want to be wrong, but I do think he's scum here. His activity to influence on the game ratio is just way off, and a lot of his posts just really don't help town to figure out the game.
##Vote WaveOfShadow

On April 30 2015 21:58 rsoultin wrote:
o.0

breeeesh i was just about to say you were looking better today and drop my vote on palmar

##vote Palmar

which i think i'm gonna do anyway, unless there's a good reason i won't be home by deadline, but

lol wth is that last bit? ><

On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.

I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game.

On April 30 2015 22:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Being right doesn't mean those were the things that made him mafia. In the end, what made him mafia was that he was just commenting on things and didn't actually try to hunt for scum.

I'm pretty sure you don't actually think I'm mafia and you're just mad. Stop getting mad and figure out the game. I don't actually think you'd be this much of a dick as mafia so it's between Breshke and Yamato. I'm currently edging towards Breshke for really not thinking about the game critically and in his evaluation on me he didn't really come to a strong conclusion yet still ignored large parts of the game.

On April 30 2015 22:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Lynch Toad

On April 30 2015 22:32 rsoultin wrote:
i'm out btw

no palmar i'm not lynching today unless i have time before EoD to review everything

might i suggest you do a little more work than just who is meeting your expectations? xP

On April 30 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Basically you seemed to ignore everything that happened end of D2, start of D3. The whole Wave/Yamato thing.

My alignment. Like I said, your conclusion was half-assed. "These things make him town but there's this one contradiction that makes me go eh but I think he's town enough that I don't want to lynch him this cycle". When you're this uncertain as town, one usually digs in a little bit more.

On April 30 2015 22:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

The recent games I've seen of you, you haven't been particularly spectacular on D1. I believe in XXX you tried lynching Marv for a long time. In Hammertime which I hosted, it was Toad. Compounded with the fact that you didn't really seem to be re-evaluating much during the day at all I don't put as much stock in your reads as you would like me to.

On April 30 2015 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

How certain are you that Breshke is town and why?

On April 30 2015 22:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

First: Being right does not make you town. I felt you were pushing Wave all day without being articulate in the reasons why. Your first case wasn't particularly good, and you easily jumped onto Yamato when that train rolled along.

On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:


The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me.

Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens:






Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy.

Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe".

However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke.

Thus he is mafia.

On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:


The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me.

Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens:






Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy.

Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe".

However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke.

Thus he is mafia.

On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:


The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me.

Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens:






Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy.

Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe".

However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke.

Thus he is mafia.

On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:


The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me.

Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens:






Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy.

Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe".

However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke.

Thus he is mafia.

On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:


The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me.

Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens:






Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy.

Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe".

However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke.

Thus he is mafia.

On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:


The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me.

Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens:






Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy.

Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe".

However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke.

Thus he is mafia.

On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:


The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me.

Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens:






Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy.

Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe".

However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke.

Thus he is mafia.

On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:


The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me.

Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens:






Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy.

Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe".

However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke.

Thus he is mafia.

On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:


The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me.

Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens:






Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy.

Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe".

However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke.

Thus he is mafia.

On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:


The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me.

Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens:






Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy.

Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe".

However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke.

Thus he is mafia.

On April 22 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:


The bolded sounds like a mafia comment. Why is he even mentioning it if he doesn't know? Also the entire tone of the post just sounds like mafia to me.

Also, he scumreads breshke here for a "safe vote", then when he understands the rules, something magical happens:






Right, so the narrative here is that somehow if the game is actually properly IML, then Breshke's vote is "safe" and therefore kind of scummy.

Whereas now that WoS has realized that it's only a "check-in IML" type of game, the vote is no longer scummy, so I must assume the vote is thus no longer "safe".

However, unlike WoS I would actually think the vote is actually MORE safe given the 24 hour check in. He cannot be accused of bringing the vote to L-2 because no such thing exists, he can unvote at any time. So what I get from this is WoS just used some bullshit reason to back off of breshke.

Thus he is mafia.

On April 30 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Of course most of the game was an over exaggeration. The point was you didn't consider certain pretty vital aspects. As for Wave getting lynched next, I'd argue there was a good chance that you'd get lynched the day after with Rso going after your ass. There were three realistic lynches: Yamato, You, Wave. With Wave and my Presence and Palmar not really being heard and you townreading Wave it would've definitely been possible.

What I meant is that you didn't look at everything yet you weren't convinced one way or the other. I find it weird that you just stopped.