EPTI'll look at the posts that WaveofShadow and Artanis are townreading Breshke for.
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I'll look at the posts that WaveofShadow and Artanis are townreading Breshke for. | ||
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On April 28 2015 12:48 Breshke wrote: I don't really understand this stance at all. Breshke has explained it clearly enough, but I don't see town having this perspective.Oh and the BH stuff basically I wanted to lynch him that day but would have understood if someone didn't as we probably would have ended up lynching him anyway so if someone voting him wanted to unvote and give it more time i was fine with that but I didn't feel like i needed more time myself. I also think I was reading most of the people on the wagon town at the time aswell Do others understand Breshke's stance here? | ||
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STOP ARGUING It's really not something you need to be arguing about. WaveofShadow's perspective Breshke and Trfel are somewhat similar, however Breshke has made several posts that I can't see scum making while Trfel has not. rsoultin's perspective Breshke and Trfel are somewhat similar, however Trfel has produced some original content while Breshke has not. Settled? | ||
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On April 28 2015 13:26 WaveofShadow wrote: What did I miss in this post?No it's not because that point is shit if that's what rsoul is saying. Breshke has produced absolutely plenty. | ||
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On April 28 2015 13:40 Breshke wrote: Hm, who was the push on? And why?This isn't directed at me but there was one of my pushes you missed which might be the reason ive been off this game At the moment, were I to vote, I think I would vote for Breshke. But I need to check the points that WaveofShadow mentions first. I think I'll need to spend quite some time working on this tomorrow to really decide the best lynch. | ||
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On April 22 2015 14:39 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't see why this post makes Breshke town at all. Breshke commented on something that rsoultin said that was really, really strange. I don't really think it's alignment indicative so much as just weird, and I don't see why this is hard for Breshke to say.Really like this post. Breshke you town bro? Like....this explanation for the oddness really isn't enough. You go from 'slightly less townread' on yamato to full on scum setting you up, and the paranoia doesn't look real. The rage might be though, and it would be hypocritical of me to assume otherwise. On April 23 2015 08:54 WaveofShadow wrote: And you only mention one reason to townread Breshke before jumping to completely trusting him.I would post something but I am never the night kill. I dunno. Look into yamato trfel and maybe palmar? Also can't help but paranoia on rsoul but that's probably last resort actually there are very few people i do completely trust now that i think of it. Artanis and breshke. And then a bunch of doubting the Breshke townread. And then this. On April 26 2015 10:58 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't understand why WaveofShadow townreads Breshke for the first quoted post, I think it's actually somewhat scummy. But the phrase "Might want to see some real stuff when he comes back though. Like really real." stands out to me quite a bit. I will see how he follows through with this.I know I'm like octupleposting here so I'll try to put all my thoughts into this last one. I still really hate how everybody's reads on Trfel all seem to be meta-based. Damdred's, Rsouls, Artanis's (mostly). It's like nobody attempts to read the guy based on what he has done within this game, and that's what really bugs me about meta use. All it takes is one game for scum to pick up on what they know you know about them and they turn it against you, even IF you were right 100% of the time before that. Ehhhhh I find this post hard to come from scum tbh. The others too. Except for this one...just rubs me the wrong way a little even if it's true. Can't explain that one exactly. It just looks like a post that is specifically tailored to make him look good? I dunno. Probably wouldn't lynch breshke today though. Might want to see some real stuff when he comes back though. Like really real. I commented on this and I don't agree. At this point I'm not entirely sure why I'm defending him though because he really has done shit all aside from a few good posts and a couple things I think are hard to come from scum. Bleh. Still seems like best lynch overall. Damdred v Artanis I think I need more time. Artanis is hard. On April 28 2015 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote: But this was only for a short while, and has been reversed? I don't really understand why this results in a townread. Breshke is a strong enough player to push rsoultin.I agree with this and I am not flipping Breshke today because the only person pushing has been rsoul and I don't think her case has any merit. Oh wow I forgot about Damdred completely. Uh.,..that in itself weirds me out. Did he do stuff today? I guess my conclusion is that WaveofShadow's townread on Breshke doesn't make sense to me at all, at least not with the explanations he provided. | ||
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I just keep going back and forth between WaveofShadow and Breshke. I guess maybe I could even lynch yamato77, but probably not. Hopefully when I'm more awake I'll have better thoughts. | ||
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I am underwhelmed. | ||
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##vote WaveofShadow I really, really, really hope I'm right. | ||
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On April 29 2015 02:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I am willing to lynch Breshke.And I lied, I'm not going to check Breshke today because not enough people want to lynch him. I will check Yamato though. I would appreciate it if you checked Breshke? | ||
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On April 29 2015 03:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: But there are a few holes that I see in this.I think I might actually want to lynch Yamato. Going through a few of his towngames he comments on so many more things than he has this game, where he's been really fixated on a very small amount of things (BH whom he didn't really have a strong read on one way or the other but still comments on, the thing I commented on regarding Palmar/BH, and later just tunneling on me with a passerby comment on Trfel until I'm no longer a popular target when he just jumps the bandwagon onto Wave). It feels like his radar is much smaller than it usually is on towngames. I scrolled through Guilty, for example, and pretty much every post comments on someone else. LXVII, same thing though less so. Devil, same thing. Problem is that his play isn't really similar to his last scumgame where he tried either (Survivor). However, I'd argue that Yamato has commented on how much he's disliked playing scum (it's in the big post at the end of Survivor). I'd also argue that his focus on small things/singular people is easier to do than his usual towngame. It also feels very convenient how his reads match town sentiment all the time, swapping to lynching Wave as soon as I'm no longer a viable target. First, I don't think that it is inherently anti-town to focus on one thing at a time and jump around like yamato77 has been doing. What really matters is how you evaluate and consider everything at the key times (approaching a lynch), and yamato77 seems to be willing to consider everything when he is evaluating potential lynches. As for following the thread sentiment and not commenting on as much, it is a smaller game, and it is a slower game. To be honest, I don't feel like there is generally much to talk about that isn't the "thread sentiment". So while this doesn't look good for yamato77, and I could see myself lynching him, I can't confidently say that this makes him scum. Sort of like how I can't confidently scumread Breshke for having no unique pushes this game. On January 18 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote: In addition to Breshke being cautious with his scumreads, this is a hard game.None its shit i know. I'm going through and rereading again, especially the longer posts like geripts because i didn't really read them well. Who is your biggest scum right now? | ||
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And his inactivity as of late is suspicious as well. I guess I just have a really hard time seeing how meta applies so specifically to this game. And thus WaveofShadow is probably the best lynch using only simple meta that would still apply to a 9 player, slow game. | ||
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On April 29 2015 03:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yamato's recent analyses of you and WaveofShadow were actually fairly good. And he was being reasonable.There's a difference between only commenting on things that town sentiment is talking about and literally following all of thread sentiment. I don't think Yamato has swayed from it in anything other than BH, but even then he didn't push it in any real way which actually makes him look worse. The only thing that actually makes me doubt on him is the way he treated me and took a reasonable approach regarding me. It felt kinda townie, but I can't ignore the rest of the game. His inactivity is concerning, and he has been jumping around in his focus, but I just can't feel comfortable lynching him.... Part of me just wants to lynch all three (Breshke, WaveofShadow, and yamato77) and hope that both scum are between them. I'm just having such a hard time getting significantly more confident in any one lynch. | ||
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On April 29 2015 03:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Breshke was among my strongest townreads in Student VII (I replaced in) for having a ton of great townreads and insightful comments.If you could point out some of the original thoughts he had in Guardians that he feels lacking in here that'd help a lot, though I can imagine it's difficult to point them out after the game. Yes, it's a student game, but I haven't seen a single instance of these insightful comments from Breshke in this game. He's been sensible, but not inspiring. | ||
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This post is pretty good too. Here, he makes an observation and finds something suspicious. And that's just in his first page of filter. I guess that game isn't necessarily the best example, as his posting rate was so low and he was behind the thread for most of it, but I noticed the same thing to a much higher degree in Student VII. | ||
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For most of this game, WaveofShadow has been frustrated and mad, or at least seemed that way to me. Since he started being scumread, his tone became very reasonable and withdrawn, he didn't feel frustrated at all (the notable exception being his argument with rsoultin). But that seems to be a strange difference for me. One possible explanation is that he spent most of this time discussing with me (who apparently he has decided is extremely weak and sensitive, thus he can't show frustration or I will go cry to my mommy). But I'm not sure that I buy this, so I wonder if that makes him look more scummy. | ||
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On April 29 2015 04:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well, that was when he was fighting with rsoultin, and I don't really see how WaveofShadow would possibly not be angry there.Did you not feel that towards the end of his filter yesterday he was becoming much more angry? Also, don't get me wrong, I still find Wave very suspicious and I'm actually quite torn between Wave/Yamato. On April 28 2015 12:11 WaveofShadow wrote: This is probably the quote that stands out the most, I think. I basically make a comment that most would find insulting (even though I worded it really cautiously), and WaveofShadow responds completely reasonably and open. He isn't frustrated at all.Look at the times I've been around and what I've talked about. Before I very recently townread you, look at all the posts I've made about you, and the times rsoul responded to me. That was all pushing you. I also pushed yamato yesterday. (And for the record not pushing a scumread 'that hard' isn't in itself a good scumread imo, but whatevs) Whether or not you or the rest of the thread 'feels' like I've been doing it doesn't really matter a great deal to me. I mean the only thing I suppose I can admit to is that my timing hasn't been amazing and the times I have been around while other people were, I sort of joined discussion where I could. | ||
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But if it were up to me.... Breshke is the "safe" lynch, in that I don't feel he has done strong pushes or been driving the thread at any point. But while he hasn't been leading the thread, and he hasn't been inspiring, he's still been reasonable. I'm just not convinced that he is mafia, though, but I'm also not sure if more time would help. WaveofShadow has been doing lots of things, and he has the second longest filter in the game. His tone generally feels natural (except for recently), and he's been making some good reads and comments. However, he hasn't been pushing his reads with that much force, seems slightly apathetic towards lynches, and has a strong townread on Breshke which I really don't understand at all. Not sure that more time will help much with him, either, because he is busy now. Yamato77 has been jumping at a bunch of different scumreads, and focuses only on one thing at a time. He doesn't seem to follow up with these scumreads very much at all. Still, his analysis has largely been good, and his tone is very reasonable. Apparently his reads have only been following the thread sentiment, though I haven't fact-checked this yet (particularly early on in the game, it felt that when he was in the thread, he was driving the thread sentiment). I feel like whatever decision I make will end up being the wrong one. But for now I still just feel a bit more confident in WaveofShadow being mafia than the others. | ||
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