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On April 27 2015 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Basically, what's weird to me about Palmar is how Wave is his prime suspect, yet he never really goes to full lengths to get him lynched or research him, but rather just goes after Yamato when thread sentiment is turning against Yamato making him an easier mislynch (presuming Yamato is town). It doesn't seem like he's all that concerned about getting Wave lynched. His vote on him is completely meaningless too with no thread support and him not trying at all to get people on board the Wave train. He's never added anything to his initial case. See that's the thing about Palmar. He never seems concerned enough to do anything, ever. If you can somehow tell by meta that this is town/scum Palmar by all means but as far as in-thread confidence goes I still have him at least townier than null.
I think the fact that he's given just enough shits to be townread and then fuck off again is telling though. TownPalmar isn't really concerned with surviving, and has a clear agenda when he does post seriously. I haven't felt that from this Palmar. It feels more stay alivey.
On April 27 2015 07:16 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 07:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:On April 27 2015 06:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 06:38 Trfel wrote:On April 27 2015 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, can you please briefly summarize all of the reasons for your scumread on me? Examples aren't necessary.
Thanks! 1) Tonally very different from your towngame; much more certain in reads until I pinged it out 2) Could not follow your read progression on me. Pointed it out before which you never addressed. 3) Handing out a lot of townreads in general for pretty sketchy reasoning. Those are my main reasons. As for my tone itself, I can't address. For read certainty, the reads you comment on here being more certain are my townreads. I haven't really had a solid scumread all game long. I don't understand why you have problems with my read progression on you. Most of the posts that you cite were while I was in discussion with people, so we were looking at things and posting our thoughts. My thoughts on you weren't complete, I posted after basically every new (notable) thing that I found, or that someone else pointed out. My read on you changed as I got more information. As for you getting a townread from me easier than before, it's because I held you to standards that are too high last game, and I (hopefully) corrected that error. If you expect me to not rethink my reads when given new information... it's just a sign of lazy play. As for the reasoning behind my townreads, I guess you're right about this. I have most likely townread someone incorrectly, as per this response to your earlier question: On April 25 2015 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 25 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, I'm not going to be around for the deadline.
I'm fairly confident that at least one of my townreads is mafia, I'll take another look at them soon. What makes you say this? My track record, plus I have too many townreads. I guess this has generally felt like a low-content game, and I'm having trouble finding mafia, so I resorted to being more liberal with townreads, which probably wasn't the best idea. Regarding the read progression, I'm all fine and dandy with that but you never really address it in your posts what made you change. I feel that as town (in the past at least) you often state exactly what changed your mind when it does, and I've missed that this game. Last time, you mentioned you were much more confident in Yamato being scum than me. Recently, you've mentioned that you don't think Yamato is scum anymore. Am I currently your top scumread or where are you at? Hm, I did explain exactly what caused my read to change each time. But I pointed out that you didn't. You gave two reasons to townread me, then proceeded to say I was null for things you had noticed and pointed out before. + Show Spoiler [Initial case] +On April 23 2015 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 07:26 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 07:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Can anyone concisely explain why they're suspicious of me other than not posting as much which I've already mentioned I would pregame and have done in the last game I've played as well (and flipped town in but is ongoing so shh)? your contributions don't impress me ^^ what's more valuable is you doing the work you'd said you'd do on truffle so i can get a better read on you i don't care if you're posting less. that's whatever. what i do expect, though, if you've decided to post less is higher quality posting The posting less is a consequence of spending less time on the game, which is what the real reason for posting less is for me. Creating quality posts costs time too, therefore it seems unreasonable to expect consistent high quality posts as it'd still require a lot of time. I feel the observations I've had have been decent so far, though. Reading Trfel, I don't understand his read progression on me at all. He had me as scummy leaning for my comment on waiting for Palmar/BH (which I feel is a dumb reason, but ok), then town for the way I replied to it, then said this about me: Show nested quote +Artanis is probably town, though I haven't carefully read the section of the thread in which he was posting. His questions are not only motivated at making reads, but also increasing the thread motivation. While he could do this as scum, I don't think it's terribly likely. In addition to the way that he responded to my pressure on him (previously described), I feel that Artanis is likely town. So at this point he feels I'm likely town. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:12 Trfel wrote:On April 23 2015 06:05 rsoultin wrote:
talk to me about artie and damdy -flops on- or about part of my list you disagree with
artie just seems...i dunnae, like people keep saying he's doing stuff but off the top of my head i can't really recall what aside from being charitable about my negative toneread on his entrance vote xP Yeah, in retrospect, Artanis hasn't been doing as much as I thought. What he has been doing, though, has been in the right direction. I'm not sure how much of this is due to his post count restriction, and how much of it is due to my annoying him yesterday.Damdred's tone looks really good for him here. And while some of the things he is doing seem strange, I don't see the mafia motivation, and he has seemingly tried to get more information into the thread. I don't think that he is scum. Weakening off his townread on me a little, but still maintains that what I'm doing is in the right direction. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:On April 23 2015 06:15 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
He scum read Trfel.
And actually as I recall that read is mostly based on meta and contrary to your read soniv kind of interested to see how that plays out.
Also don't quite get that yamato read Trfel. well, that's easy, wave lol >< i'm right the really question is whether or not it's reasonable for artie to be wrong about truffle and still town  (truffle is a super easy read imo) meh guess i should actually read artanis' filter :/ I think that Artanis's scumread of me actually looks good for him. He makes a good point, and that's the sort of read that I expect from him. Would he do that as mafia? Not sure, but I think that he knows that he won't mislynch me this game (or at least, he will need much more evidence first). I'm still leaning town on Artanis, though is absence is concerning me. Does he agree with the Blazinghand wagon? If not, he should be here and trying to stop it. At the time of his last post, there were four votes on Blazinghand. If anything looks suspicious, that is it. He doesn't care if Blazinghand is lynched or not. So he was leaning town on me, then finds another reason to lean town on me (scumreading him). Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:30 Trfel wrote:
I take it back, I just have terrible reading comprehension.
Artanis did comment on Blazinghand, first not convinced that he was scum due to his case, and then felt that it was an okay lynch due to the followup. Maybe I need to get my eyes checked.
It isn't a very large or amazing amount of information on Blazinghand, but I suppose I can see it from the perspective who sees an okay lynch, but also sees everyone ignoring what is (in his opinion) a better lynch. Aaand another reason to townread me. So that's two more reasons to townread me after leaning town on me earlier. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:40 Trfel wrote:On April 23 2015 06:34 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 22 2015 21:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
That's your ironclad reasoning palmar? Calling me scum for shit I've already explained in thread and saying 'I don't know what yamato is doing?'
Gj
Artanis any thoughts on BH at all? Did you read what I wrote? I don't like his unwillingness to comment on other things. I don't like his case on Damdred particularly either. As has been said, it's a narrative. Seems like a good chance to flip scum. I need to do some more work on Trfel and flesh my read on him out but I have to leave for theater in a sec. Will get something done later tonight. Kinda annoyed no one's commented on him since I called him scummy but you though. mmm or maybe just benching the read for later? okay i guess i can give artie some space to see what comes of this It seemed to me that Artanis would be back later to finish his read on me. Artanis is sort of null, I suppose, given both his semi-weak stance on Blazinghand and not having the thread leadership that I thought he did at a glance.I expect scum to be among Artanis, yamato77, and maybe Breshke, even though I can't demonstrate that any of them are clear scum yet. What happened? I don't understand this progression at all. On another note, I think I might also want to lynch Palmar for voting for Yamato when Wave was his top suspect, and he suspected Yamato for the way he treated Wave's case rather than going after Wave himself. He also never really re-evaled Wave. Palmar's tone is always pretty confident these days I find, so I don't want to clear him for that in retrospect. Also a case of other people being townier. Point by point. - I gave my first townread on you. Reason being that I thought you were driving the thread. I hadn't read the last several pages of the thread at the time, where I thought the bulk of your activity had been
- Then I read the last several pages, and realized that you hadn't actually made posts like I had thought. I reread your filter, and you hadn't been driving the thread all that much. Hence, my townread wasn't really valid any more.
- I see your point now. What happened was, I made a post stating "I see am leaning town on Artanis, but this is a reason why he might be scum, so I need to look into this". And then I looked into it, and for a while it was looking really bad, but then I found a comment that I missed. The fact that you did comment on Blazinghand (which I initially missed) caused you to be closer to null, when I was about to scumread you.
I understand your scumread on me a lot better now. Thanks.
Hmm, that makes a decent bit of sense. I wish it didn't so the game would be easier 
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On April 27 2015 07:21 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, why are you townreading yamato77 and Breshke?
Yamato because of his read progression on me, disregarding reasons he found weak and finding his own reasons to scumread me rather than just sheeping something. It felt quite intricate.
Breshke because his tone is sooooo town. I really don't think he can fake it. All his posts also just seem to be coming from a very obviously town perspective. Wave pointed out a post earlier and I agreed. There was also this:
On April 21 2015 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 09:59 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2015 09:55 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 21 2015 09:46 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:37 rsoultin wrote:On April 21 2015 09:34 Breshke wrote:On April 21 2015 09:32 rsoultin wrote:On April 21 2015 09:31 Breshke wrote:
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tentative town read for this post. lol seriously? xP Yeah haha all jokes aside in my limited experiance with art ive never seen him mention stats before so him referencing town stats and relating it to this game just seems like a weird way for a scum artanis to open. This is obviously very weak hence the tentative part. so you don't find it odd at all that he managed to enter with a post implying that he's town (via the stats comment) plus over-explaining what should be a joke-sheep of a joke-vote? by over-explaining i mean: On April 21 2015 09:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
##vote: waveofshadow
I'm ok with any lynch that isn't me since I need to overtake kita in the not lynched as town percentage tab. Therefore, any lynch that is not me furthers this condition and I support this lynch.
##Vote WaveofShadow why even include the bolded sentence when it's clear in the first lol >< if anything that deserves a light scum lean, not a light town lean fitting awkwardly into the joking phase like that Ehh I disagree. I don't see it as that awkward or over explainy really. I didn't/don't really see it as awkward either. Nor do i really think that awkward always equals scum. Do you think her reading into it in that way says anything about her alignment? No because i can see how she would see it that way I actually think it makes her slightly likelier to be town as I find it unlikely scum would go in against a tone read of another player right off the bat. I have no way to prove this but i actually had it written that it was slightly townie because i find her to be a lot more neutral as scum You get a tentative townread for this post. More free towncred to the first person to correctly point out why.
Which you answered, so you know why it was.
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Basically, Breshke is so completely unconcerned with getting towncred when his mafia game is notoriously weak that I find it incredibly unlikely for him to be scum.
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On April 27 2015 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
And where do you get 'stay alive-y' from Palmar?
He's been coming in and posting at pretty random times and none of i is when he's under suspicion or anything, and you don't feel as though he has an agenda even though he's pushed me (and to a lesser extent yamato) nonstop?
I don't udnerstand though how Palmar immediately townreads yamato just because of his few posts last night tbh
He's pushed you and Yamato, but not really in any way that really tries to make anyone listen. He never searched for new reasons on you, just the initial thing and never updated it. He also switched to Yamato rather than doing more work on you because it was the easier route to take.
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[QUOTE]On April 27 2015 07:25 Trfel wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 27 2015 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 27 2015 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 27 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Basically, what's weird to me about Palmar is how Wave is his prime suspect, yet he never really goes to full lengths to get him lynched or research him, but rather just goes after Yamato when thread sentiment is turning against Yamato making him an easier mislynch (presuming Yamato is town). It doesn't seem like he's all that concerned about getting Wave lynched. His vote on him is completely meaningless too with no thread support and him not trying at all to get people on board the Wave train. He's never added anything to his initial case.[/QUOTE]
See that's the thing about Palmar. He never seems concerned enough to do anything, ever. If you can somehow tell by meta that this is town/scum Palmar by all means but as far as in-thread confidence goes I still have him at least townier than null.[/QUOTE]I actually disagree.
Palmar knows that if all he does is troll, it will be somewhat hard to lynch him.
Instead, Palmar started reading the game and making actual cases (cases which I don't think were all that good, but they were definitely serious cases). I don't think that these cases help Palmar at all, in fact they might actually hurt him, I think that really his motivation was to find scum (even if not enough to make him play the game properly).
Quick question, his reason to scumread WaveofShadow wasn't the initial reason that he forgot, right? It was a different reason?[/QUOTE]
I disagree. I think if he does nothing but troll and other people look townie, he'll probably end getting lynched at some point in this lineup. The fact that the cases weren't good when Palmar is good is telling as well as the fact that he hasn't tried reinforcing them.
As for his scumread on Wave, it was part tone, part the analysis on the votes made on Wave.
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Goddamnit, let's try this again. I think you removed the comment in between that I made, so I deleted it from the quotes too.
On April 27 2015 07:25 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 27 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Basically, what's weird to me about Palmar is how Wave is his prime suspect, yet he never really goes to full lengths to get him lynched or research him, but rather just goes after Yamato when thread sentiment is turning against Yamato making him an easier mislynch (presuming Yamato is town). It doesn't seem like he's all that concerned about getting Wave lynched. His vote on him is completely meaningless too with no thread support and him not trying at all to get people on board the Wave train. He's never added anything to his initial case. See that's the thing about Palmar. He never seems concerned enough to do anything, ever. If you can somehow tell by meta that this is town/scum Palmar by all means but as far as in-thread confidence goes I still have him at least townier than null. I actually disagree. Palmar knows that if all he does is troll, it will be somewhat hard to lynch him. Instead, Palmar started reading the game and making actual cases (cases which I don't think were all that good, but they were definitely serious cases). I don't think that these cases help Palmar at all, in fact they might actually hurt him, I think that really his motivation was to find scum (even if not enough to make him play the game properly). Quick question, his reason to scumread WaveofShadow wasn't the initial reason that he forgot, right? It was a different reason?
I disagree. I think if he does nothing but troll and other people look townie, he'll probably end getting lynched at some point in this lineup. The fact that the cases weren't good when Palmar is good is telling as well as the fact that he hasn't tried reinforcing them.
As for his scumread on Wave, it was part tone, part the analysis on the votes made on Wave.
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On April 27 2015 07:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Does he normally try to make people listen?
I can't honestly remember an experience with Palmar where he's impressed me in that way.
Trfel would you consider Palmar's posting so far trolling?
I'd say he did decently in Imperial in trying to get people to listen. Also fairly recently in XXX, he definitely did so as well.
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On April 27 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 07:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Basically, Breshke is so completely unconcerned with getting towncred when his mafia game is notoriously weak that I find it incredibly unlikely for him to be scum. unless you can demonstrate that he normally is concerned with this as scum, i don't see why it matters? his town game isn't this weak in my experience with him. i am exceedingly unimpressed with him this game -_- and that is rarely the case when he's town
I mislynched him in LXX and I see so many resemblances to that this game. I've also gone through his scumgames before and they are markedly different, though I'll do it again if you insist.
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On April 27 2015 07:32 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 07:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Goddamnit, let's try this again. I think you removed the comment in between that I made, so I deleted it from the quotes too. On April 27 2015 07:25 Trfel wrote:On April 27 2015 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 27 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Basically, what's weird to me about Palmar is how Wave is his prime suspect, yet he never really goes to full lengths to get him lynched or research him, but rather just goes after Yamato when thread sentiment is turning against Yamato making him an easier mislynch (presuming Yamato is town). It doesn't seem like he's all that concerned about getting Wave lynched. His vote on him is completely meaningless too with no thread support and him not trying at all to get people on board the Wave train. He's never added anything to his initial case. See that's the thing about Palmar. He never seems concerned enough to do anything, ever. If you can somehow tell by meta that this is town/scum Palmar by all means but as far as in-thread confidence goes I still have him at least townier than null. I actually disagree. Palmar knows that if all he does is troll, it will be somewhat hard to lynch him. Instead, Palmar started reading the game and making actual cases (cases which I don't think were all that good, but they were definitely serious cases). I don't think that these cases help Palmar at all, in fact they might actually hurt him, I think that really his motivation was to find scum (even if not enough to make him play the game properly). Quick question, his reason to scumread WaveofShadow wasn't the initial reason that he forgot, right? It was a different reason? I disagree. I think if he does nothing but troll and other people look townie, he'll probably end getting lynched at some point in this lineup. The fact that the cases weren't good when Palmar is good is telling as well as the fact that he hasn't tried reinforcing them. As for his scumread on Wave, it was part tone, part the analysis on the votes made on Wave. lol this is bullshit. i've seen plenty of bad palmar play and i'm a noob -_- don't try blowing smoke up my ass, artie
I've seen plenty of good Palmar play too. I've played with him in LXI where him and BC took turns writing cases on everyone in the game when they were convinced of each other as being scum. I'm not saying Palmar is a surefire scum at all, or that what he's done is impossible to come from TownPalmar. I'm saying that the way he's pushed so far make me feel he's more likely scum than town, especially considering other reads.
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On April 27 2015 07:35 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On April 27 2015 07:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Basically, Breshke is so completely unconcerned with getting towncred when his mafia game is notoriously weak that I find it incredibly unlikely for him to be scum. unless you can demonstrate that he normally is concerned with this as scum, i don't see why it matters? his town game isn't this weak in my experience with him. i am exceedingly unimpressed with him this game -_- and that is rarely the case when he's town I mislynched him in LXX and I see so many resemblances to that this game. I've also gone through his scumgames before and they are markedly different, though I'll do it again if you insist. if you can show me any sign of his being invested in this game, i'd appreciate it more ^^
I thought his explanation of why he flipped his read on you was good, for one. He could've just shrugged it off and made some excuse as everyone was townreading you, but he gave specific reasoning after pushing you for a while.
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On April 27 2015 07:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 07:32 rsoultin wrote:On April 27 2015 07:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Goddamnit, let's try this again. I think you removed the comment in between that I made, so I deleted it from the quotes too. On April 27 2015 07:25 Trfel wrote:On April 27 2015 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 27 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Basically, what's weird to me about Palmar is how Wave is his prime suspect, yet he never really goes to full lengths to get him lynched or research him, but rather just goes after Yamato when thread sentiment is turning against Yamato making him an easier mislynch (presuming Yamato is town). It doesn't seem like he's all that concerned about getting Wave lynched. His vote on him is completely meaningless too with no thread support and him not trying at all to get people on board the Wave train. He's never added anything to his initial case. See that's the thing about Palmar. He never seems concerned enough to do anything, ever. If you can somehow tell by meta that this is town/scum Palmar by all means but as far as in-thread confidence goes I still have him at least townier than null. I actually disagree. Palmar knows that if all he does is troll, it will be somewhat hard to lynch him. Instead, Palmar started reading the game and making actual cases (cases which I don't think were all that good, but they were definitely serious cases). I don't think that these cases help Palmar at all, in fact they might actually hurt him, I think that really his motivation was to find scum (even if not enough to make him play the game properly). Quick question, his reason to scumread WaveofShadow wasn't the initial reason that he forgot, right? It was a different reason? I disagree. I think if he does nothing but troll and other people look townie, he'll probably end getting lynched at some point in this lineup. The fact that the cases weren't good when Palmar is good is telling as well as the fact that he hasn't tried reinforcing them. As for his scumread on Wave, it was part tone, part the analysis on the votes made on Wave. lol this is bullshit. i've seen plenty of bad palmar play and i'm a noob -_- don't try blowing smoke up my ass, artie What? Are you saying Palmar is good here or normally good and here he's not?
I presumed she said that she's seen Palmar play terrible as town as a response to me saying he's playing terrible here.
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On April 27 2015 07:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Again this is par for the course on Palmar as far as I'm concerned because I haven't played games with him in which he's done anything but variations on this, and I'm really trying to avoid meta, something you clearly aren't concerned with, Artanis.
Like, I'd vote Palmar if I see a concrete reason that's not meta-related as to why he's scum but I don't really see it.
I'm assuming we're going another day at this point, btw?
I think the fact that he isn't digging further into you further but randomly takes a left turn on Yamato when it's convenient, then jumps off, goes back on you when it crashes and soft accuses me in the meantime is a very clear non-meta reason. You're actually using meta to defend him here in that he can do this as town rather than the opposite. Yes, it's possible that he does this as town. That doesn't mean it's the most likely answer.
I'm good with extending the day myself.
On April 27 2015 07:44 rsoultin wrote:
yup that's what i was saying ^^ palmar can play badly as town; it doesn't make him scum
lol >< how many times do i have to say that townreading me is like completely not alignment indicative at all?
dude, someone else had to point out to him that he was parroting me, and frankly i ooze town as town it's why i get night-killed early so often; it's definitely not because i'm a scary player for most scumteams to have to play against -_-
artanis, he randomly townread me. it took like over 24 hours to get an explanation on that shift, because it wasn't explained at the time. no that doesn't show investment in the game. try again
I'm not really that interested in defending Breshke at this point anyway since no one but you really wants to lynch him. He's a big boy, he can fend for himself when he's around.
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On April 27 2015 07:59 rsoultin wrote:
xP i'm right woot!
seriously though there's just not a good instance that shows breshke is actually trying to solve the game in any meaningful way. i don't really even understand some of the posts y'all point out as "townie" to be honest. like "i wrote it down, not that this means anything" ummmm...like okay? why couldn't scum say that? why would town feel the need to say it was written down? it's just...i don't get it -_- maybe i'm bad and that really IS enough to make up for doing jack-all to actually find scum but, i just don't see it
Regarding that post I pointed out, of course scum COULD say it, but why? It's so unlikely that any town player would pick up on that. A town player would say it because it just sprung up in their mind. A scum player.. just has no reason to say it.
I mean, I could be wrong and hard defending a scum here, but I don't think so.
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On April 27 2015 08:08 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 08:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 07:59 rsoultin wrote:
xP i'm right woot!
seriously though there's just not a good instance that shows breshke is actually trying to solve the game in any meaningful way. i don't really even understand some of the posts y'all point out as "townie" to be honest. like "i wrote it down, not that this means anything" ummmm...like okay? why couldn't scum say that? why would town feel the need to say it was written down? it's just...i don't get it -_- maybe i'm bad and that really IS enough to make up for doing jack-all to actually find scum but, i just don't see it Regarding that post I pointed out, of course scum COULD say it, but why? It's so unlikely that any town player would pick up on that. A town player would say it because it just sprung up in their mind. A scum player.. just has no reason to say it. I mean, I could be wrong and hard defending a scum here, but I don't think so. lol my point is it's weak-ass shit like that that you want to hang your townread on instead of things he's actually doing and breshke can actually you know play this game as opposed to some other players where tonereads are the only way that you can read them
Except that the last time I played with town Breshke he got mislynched and the reason for that was that he wasn't really doing anything other than being very townie in tone.
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On April 27 2015 08:16 rsoultin wrote:
okay, link the game -_- i find it unlikely cause i've seen stupid players trying to mislynch him before when he was actually contributing but...you could be right and he's for some reason gotten worse the more games he's played ^^
It was in Guardians, link's in my profile.
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Gonna check out for now. We really should no lynch especially if people want to lynch Breshke who can't be around atm and hasn't had the chance to really respond to allegations and I will get quite upset at anyone that tries to still get a lynch done today.
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On April 27 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote:
bloody nose atm 1 hand
spoiler explains my vote
guardians, breshke looked town 4 content + reads not tone
ml due 2 poe list
Perhaps it was different for you, but my main reason that I considered Breshke being town that game was his tone. I even detailed it out in a post where I gave reasons to TR everyone in the PoE pool. I'd dig it up but I can't ctrl-F in my LXX filter since it exceeds 50 pages
On April 27 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:Currently, the only real reason that I'm suspicious of Artanis is for his Damdred read. He did very well in Guardians by reading Damdred as town for his long, detailed analysis posts. However, Damdred saw that read, so it isn't valid any more, and Artanis should know that. Here is a detailed vote count analysis post that Damdred made as mafia. Also, here is a town Damdred filter where he does not make any long posts at all. By this point, Artanis ought to know that he can't read Damdred like this any more. Does it make him scum? I'm not sure. I need to filter dive him tomorrow, but I think he's most likely town.
I was not involved in either of the games you linked at all, so I'm not sure how you expect me to know that. It was alsao a passerby comment, not the only thing I intend to read Damdred on. I still do think he's likely town.
Breshke, Arsoul mentioned that you haven't really made any contributions this game. What do you think of that? Also, the reason for TRing Yamato is definitely in my filter. I mentioned that I feel the way he picks between reasons on reading me and discards some as poor is likely to come from a town Yamato. It felt like he was actually considering my alignment.
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On April 27 2015 20:11 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 19:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote:
bloody nose atm 1 hand
spoiler explains my vote
guardians, breshke looked town 4 content + reads not tone
ml due 2 poe list Perhaps it was different for you, but my main reason that I considered Breshke being town that game was his tone. I even detailed it out in a post where I gave reasons to TR everyone in the PoE pool. I'd dig it up but I can't ctrl-F in my LXX filter since it exceeds 50 pages On April 27 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:Currently, the only real reason that I'm suspicious of Artanis is for his Damdred read. He did very well in Guardians by reading Damdred as town for his long, detailed analysis posts. However, Damdred saw that read, so it isn't valid any more, and Artanis should know that. Here is a detailed vote count analysis post that Damdred made as mafia. Also, here is a town Damdred filter where he does not make any long posts at all. By this point, Artanis ought to know that he can't read Damdred like this any more. Does it make him scum? I'm not sure. I need to filter dive him tomorrow, but I think he's most likely town. I was not involved in either of the games you linked at all, so I'm not sure how you expect me to know that. It was alsao a passerby comment, not the only thing I intend to read Damdred on. I still do think he's likely town. Breshke, Arsoul mentioned that you haven't really made any contributions this game. What do you think of that? Also, the reason for TRing Yamato is definitely in my filter. I mentioned that I feel the way he picks between reasons on reading me and discards some as poor is likely to come from a town Yamato. It felt like he was actually considering my alignment. Did you ever flip your read on him? From some of his recent postings he seems to think you did and voted him im not sure if ive completely missed this somehow or what?
Yeah, I read him as town because he did a bunch of things and I remembered Marv saying that if Yamato does things he's town, then I checked a scumgame of his that had a similar amount of content and realized that my read was far too easily made and backtracked it. I'm not sure how you missed it if you reread the game.
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On April 27 2015 20:52 Palmar wrote:
Like I wish I could just get people to take a leap of faith with me and lynch WoS. I'm not sure I'll have the pull to get it otherwise.
I am fairly certain he is mafia.
Could you make your reasoning on Wave more clear? All I've heard on Wave is his reasoning for the 3 votes on him early on, his differentiating between me and Yamato, not caring about your alignment and saying he hasn't been trying to solve the game. I don't find the former two very convincing at all. Regarding the third, I can understand what he says because part of your scumread on him is how he interacts with Wave in a way that'd make sense for them to be scumbuddies. As for the latter, that's probably what troubles me the most on Wave. He comments on a lot of things but he doesn't really push anything. He wanted to lynch someone this night as his activity dropped off but I don't think he actually voted anyone.
I may actually be convincing myself here.
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I think I may be on board for a Wave lynch after going through the last few pages of his filter. It feels a lot like he's commenting on the game rather than figuring out stuff like Palmar pointed out. He's voted Yamato but doesn't really push him, and then there's oddball comments like
On April 27 2015 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Remind me why we're not lynching trfel again
When we've been talking about Trfel for a while at that point, so one would expect he'd have more specific reasons. Furthermore, his vote is still on Yamato.
I'm actually struggling with voting him a lot because he's been very reasonable to me and I like him so I really don't want to be wrong, but I do think he's scum here. His activity to influence on the game ratio is just way off, and a lot of his posts just really don't help town to figure out the game.
##Vote WaveOfShadow
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