Newbie Student Mafia VIII

On April 18 2015 05:32 Half the Sky wrote:


Huzzah! Looking forward to playing with you again. Though I'll laugh if we both roll onto the same scumteam again xD

On April 18 2015 02:07 GlowingBear wrote:


Wow I'm excited to see how your play will be

I remember you started observing when I played my first game

On April 18 2015 18:18 Half the Sky wrote:
/out

Ergh, game has filled a bit faster than I expected. Can't play reliably the next few days. Though I'll rejoin if after that there's still spots open.

On April 19 2015 10:07 Onegu wrote:
Why would you CC? Bah

Ok I unclaim VT

On April 19 2015 10:24 Damdred wrote:
It's mostly just a joke. Though its interesting that Scott instead of volunteering as my deputy tries to show suspicion you have -1 town points now.

So serious for so early

On April 19 2015 11:49 Trfel wrote:
Hm, this game feels slow already. I thought my post would get things started, but I guess that wasn't good enough.
I find Bourneq to be the most suspicious so far.Bourneq asks if anyone wants to ask him for a tone read, because this is something that people asked him to do last game. And he knows that it's a townie thing to do. However, the interesting thing is that he asks if people want him to tone read someone or something. He doesn't seem inclined to do it himself. This suggests that he is more interested in appeasing others and not getting lynched than actually finding scum.

Furthermore, he says that he will sleep instead of scumhunting. But why would he leave the first sentence in if he is going to sleep after all? He left it in to gain town credit for being open to doing something towny (making a read).
Then, someone in his previous game made a post. And Bourneq acknowledges it and says that he wasn't going to read it. Why does Bourneq feel a need to acknowledge my post? He already said that he's tired and he will be going to bed. His post doesn't help town in any way, but it makes him seem more involved in the game (which is false, since he didn't bother to toneread anyone at all).
I'll be heading out again for a while. Any thoughts?

On April 19 2015 14:04 The Shining wrote:
Scott not reading OP for player list. Instascum.

Trfel hinted at that super big post being a thing before game was even full. NAI. I don't like the fact that he's pressuring a newbie in Bourne that literally just got mislynched to lose last Student game. I'm very weary of pushing newbies before I feel they at least get somewhat grounded in the game, since they're low hanging fruit. Trfel possible scum #2.

Obi claims to have forgotten to sign up. Early excuse to be used later when he lurks and blames it on forgetting again. Scum #3.

GG WP game is easy. I'll take my free win now.

On April 19 2015 14:35 LeiNadk wrote:
Could someone explain to me precisely what a tone read is? From context, I'm assuming, it's something Bourne was asked to do last game and got mislynched for.

Sorry about all the questions. Should I direct these questions to coaches rather post them in the game?

On April 19 2015 14:38 LeiNadk wrote:

Could you elaborate on Damdred and Obi? Why town?

On April 19 2015 14:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Are you still suspicious of Onegu or what?

On April 19 2015 10:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I feel terrible for saying this but I already kind of want to kill scott.

On April 19 2015 15:30 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Good morning guys.

On April 19 2015 15:50 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I mean YUROP TOO STRONG TO DIE

On April 19 2015 16:14 The Shining wrote:
So Scott. We keep posting around the same times.

Hi.

On April 20 2015 01:30 Bill Murray wrote:
PS I'm Vanilla Townie and we need a massclaim in all likelihood. If scum don't CC power roles we will likely have around a 60% chance to win

On April 20 2015 06:48 Trfel wrote:
For anyone who doesn't know Bill Murray, he's quite famous.

This is a must read.

On April 20 2015 06:50 Damdred wrote:
Yeah this isn't going to be a fun game at all for me. Anyway my answers already there

On April 20 2015 08:43 cakepie wrote:
Fashionably late, checking in after late a night out and sleeping in half the day -- wasn’t expecting the game to kick off in mere hours! Catching up. Feel free to address questions to me and I’ll get to them when I’m done reading up to speed.

On April 20 2015 21:35 Bourneq wrote:
Hello am I alone in this dark world?

Scott since you unvoted TBD do you mind sharing who you would wrather vote as of now?

On April 20 2015 22:54 Bill Murray wrote:
You know, this setup seems absurdly scum favored upon looking at it. We REALLY Don't need a mislynch on me. IF anyone would come around right now, I would greatly enjoy some discussion. As it is, though, I am doing some filter diving.

Speaking of scumteams I thought 1) we had 9 players and there were 2 scum
2) it was Cop/Doc/Goon/Goon
3) I am actually relatively confirmed village idiot at this point

But you all can go ahead and lynch me I'm not even going to doublevote on someone to get the vote off of me





I don't see this guy as being scum. The last part of his post is more of a "theory posed as a question"

There is a guy on this website named Foolishness, who, in the prime of his mafia playing, wasn't the best mafia player. He was great as town, but as mafia, he would emulate his blue play, possibly subconsciously, and coast through D1 to D2 before he would start posting. As VT however the guy would be posting this huge ass posts detailing the possibility of entire scumteams



I still don't think this guy should be lynched, even when he's making fun of me. I feel like he is just a bored VT.

##vote: Scott31337

IIoA, AtA, AtS, voting obvious bored townie

Scott has been giving any bit of off topic information, or even on topic information, without actually doing analysis. I will highlight this now:


Even in his most scumhunting sounding post, he chooses to word it as "is viewed as scummy" as opposed to "is scummy". His previous scumhunting analysis is a whopping "meh"... literally. He literally says that. What can we get out of someone saying "meh" ? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Yes, I have a meh read - not enough to go one way or the other, espically on Day 1 - is that possible? YES!



his one town post, the above, even feels forced. he throws out a couple leans as bones to the town, and then goes on to finish it with the almighty "Everyone is null"

Yeah it's early in the game but this is different. This is him trying to coast through while having activity for the sake of activity without committing to any analysis whatsoever.

Everyone else was null - Damdred and OWS were stirring the thread in the right direction, and I did not have an opionion on anybody else yet. If I added to that now, I'd give a slight town to Trfel - him and Damdred going at it looks innocent, and you look a little scummy. Fair?



More IIoA. Bringing up a topic and not even answering it. He defers.

This is my second game - I wanted someone else to explain a "tone read" better then me looking up mafiawiki or urban dictionary - nobody ever did though.


When directly questioned comes up with a bullshit excuse based upon "he feels obi and damdred are town"

He then goes onto the worst of his IIoA and becomes a human library trying to throw a link out to get suspicion off himself.

He is feigning helpfulness as scum and this post also highlights my next talking point, his AtA.

AtA = appealing to authority. He is sucking up to what he views as the better players haha
he is also trying to butt in anytime the moderator is brought up
So helping newbies out is scummy? I'll have to remember that in the future.


in his most recent post with a forced question about someone he has had no discussion about or analysis of (asked towards cakepie about LightningStrike) this is there because CakePie has actually been shrugging off his scum aura and shining forth in the spotlight more. He has actually become a very helpful member of town. The reason Scott is doing this is scum motivated. He wants a list of reads from Cakepie to see whether or not he should be killing him tonight. If Scott himself is lower on that list, bam, the cake is a lie. There are other explanations here including his not understanding the meta of the thread, coaching, actual analysis etc but I feel like, given his earlier posting, he is using this as AtA and judging where cake stands on the issue for negative reasons.


And here he appeals to statistics. He has the worst reaction of anyone to my trying to get some plan rolling. Town can't afford to have this sort of plan but people who are town are going to largely mull it over. Upon reading this I'm sure you all are thinking to yourself "well he's right" but in mafia it doesnt matter whether or not you are right it matters what you can get your friendly town to do with you. When someone is saying "BM rolls scum 80%" of the time to subconsciously fuck with you guys and get me lynched that's utter bullshit. Someone thats AtS along with AtA and IIoA needs to go

No, I do not think it is a terrible plan, because I think you are scum. I am going to OMGUS you and your terrible case.

Lastly he was voting for TheBloodyDwarf who I completely disagree with him on. In fact I feel like he was trying to go for one of the most obvious vanilla town that is a village idiot and possibly a good mislynch

From what I read on TBD's last game, he was actualy very similar before I voted for him. He started posting afterwards, and has faded - but I don't think he'll be the lynch today - tomorrow we can re-evaluate.

For all of those reasons I'm voting the 3rd filter I looked at, Scott.
##vote scott331331313

On April 21 2015 02:17 Onegu wrote:



The Scott case isn't amazing but this here is like the worst reaction ever.

And I'm fine dropping my vote on him for it.

##Vote Scott

On April 21 2015 10:11 Holyflare wrote:
where has scott gone?

On April 21 2015 10:59 Holyflare wrote:
Still shooting Scott

On April 21 2015 12:55 Trfel wrote:
I spent nearly an hour on that post, only to find out that I got beaten to the punch. Hrmph. I'll take a look at what scott31337 wrote later tonight, after I'm done with everything else.

On April 21 2015 11:59 Bill Murray wrote:

why do you scumread the people that arent on the townie wagon that got lynched

On April 22 2015 10:00 LightningStrike wrote:
Fuck I shot Tfrel because I thought he was scum for his hammer................................ Vig here I'm sorry I killed you Tfrel T_T

On April 22 2015 05:31 LightningStrike wrote:

I already got scott as one if you are scum based on EoD stuff going down. I still struggling on the 3rd person to be scum with you and scott if you both are scum.

On April 22 2015 06:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


It's almost like I've explained my reads or you could ask about the ones you don't understand or don't like.

:o

On April 23 2015 05:34 Bourneq wrote:
I was away this entire day because it was my dads birthday and I was celebrating. I get back and barely a page of new stuff? 2 of our most active towns have died if you guys aint going to put some effort in we might aswell concede.

##Vote ObiWanshinobi

Go on, ask me why. Do something for crying out loud.

On April 23 2015 05:49 Bourneq wrote:
Scott why do you defend OWS at every corner? Everything I see you have written about him I just dont feel is true to any extent. Like this especially "OWS has been doing quite the same, although just not as much of a time sink. He points out suspicious thoughts, areas of concern, and is trying to solve the game. ." I mean it's just not true.

On April 23 2015 23:56 Holyflare wrote:


woahhhhh what? you thought the guy that pushed scott the entire game and made cases on him and tried to get him lynched was with scott? :O :O

On April 24 2015 00:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Have people actually read onegu?
Everyone is coming in to talk about stuff but nobody talks about him at all.

On April 24 2015 01:01 Damdred wrote:
I honestly don't know what to do honestly, I don't even have a halfway decent poe lol.

On April 24 2015 02:59 Damdred wrote:
I didn't even read your post XD.

teehee

On April 24 2015 03:14 Damdred wrote:
Its ok just lynch me I'm ok with having some town games that really make me wonder about my mafia meta

On April 24 2015 02:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I remember Damdred or someone in Slytherin said about OWS is that if he looks townie he's scum. He seems to be townie. Could this mean he's scum this game?

On April 24 2015 05:57 Holyflare wrote:
I see people voting for not damdred and giving no reasons why. Please explain?

On April 24 2015 06:43 LeiNadk wrote:
Ok, quoting everything takes way too much time.

At EoD1 Scott's scum lists are: BM, Bourn, and Onegu(?)

BM asks, "why do you scumread the people that arent on the townie wagon that got lynched," which applies to BM himself and Onegu. (Bourn voted Cake)

Scott's response was + Show Spoiler + summarized as OWS = town, Trfel = town, BM = scum, HF = ?, LS = town?

If you really dig deep, there no scum read. They are all town reads with the exception of BM. For instance, why does OWS avoid Cake wagon from happening an indication that he is town? (I actually think after filtering for quotes, OWS is a scum. His case at the end). Trfel being a town, (Scott explains it later). BM is scum because he is making wrong reads according to him? Not a convincing read. HF is null. LS is town (because he is honest). What about Bourn and Onegu?

Bourneq looked much better during night one with his interaction with Trfel - but beforehand he had very little content. Since the day has started, he has dropped off again as well as asking about Shining.

I had a feeling Onegu was the vig or cop but I didn't want to out him on it when I posted "I think I know Onegu's plan after reading his filter. I'm going to wait until tomorrow on him." and make it easier for mafia to find our blue roles. LS claimed vig right after the shot and has not been counterclaimed, so there is no cop. There may be a doc though. If it's a vet he'd play just like VT IMO

I will give him credit for his case on Bourn after his initial EoD1 post.
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However the way he presents his case with a lot of rhetorical questions make it sounds like he discover something new about Bourn's posts after he looked through it again. But this is after he already labeled Bourn as a scum.

Bourneq didn't give any reads or reasoning before the night. I did research on his "mistake" and his excuse did not fit with the information I was able to retrieve. I did not say he was scum, I was portraying my thoughts and his actions were scummy.

His response to my earlier case:
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Ok, I get TBD pressure vote and his reasoning. Town read on Trfel, too, I see, but why OWS as town? Yes, he asked many questions but primarily just the questions and no substantial contents after his pressure vote on Cake. (I will come back to OWS). Onegu's plan is next.
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Ok, maybe because I'm a new player but I don't understand what scraping under the radar means. Nontheless, this indicates Scott's scum read on Onegu "has not changed much."
He asks OWS
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His contentless comment on OWS/Onegu
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He asks OWS again
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This.. obsession of Scott toward OWS is weird at the least. Bourn points this out too.
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The point at which OWS let go of LS was when he claimed misfired vig. It wasn't a thought process, just an obvious common sense thing to do. Yeah, OWS posts more than some of us, but that alone can't justify Scott's strong town lean on him.
And another so so:
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This is.. ok. I'm not going to force everything Scott says to fit my case, however what happened to your view on Bourn?
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On April 24 2015 06:59 The Shining wrote:
Scott 60 hours? Lol. I mean I'm glad you can math but this is my 2nd post today. You really pushing an "inactive" after I just explained why I haven't been around? And you're pushing on the basis of activity, as if you don't actually only have 6 posts in the last 2 days yourself? 2 of those posts are non committal, nonposts, too. You didn't know what to make of the OWS/One exchange. You checked Onegus meta and nothing conclusive? So 2 posts saying nothing definitive regarding either one, and a request to send our confirmed town out on a meta goose chase, after having analyzed the same player. Noncommittal and should LS say its a scum metaread, he takes the responsibility, not you.

I still don't like your D1 vote, either. The Cake ninja vote was odd. Your scum after were Bourne and Trfel and BM. Two of those also flipped VT. You've apparently abandoned your Bourne read to push me now, which is a bad idea for a town.

##Vote: Scott31337

Let's do this.

On April 21 2015 09:58 Blazinghand wrote:

Vote Count

scott31337 (4): Bill Murray, Onegu, LeiNadk, cakepie
cakepie (3):, Bourneq, Damdred, HolyFlare
Bourneq (2): Trfel, The Shining
Bill Murray (1): Scott31337
Trfel (1): LightningStrike
LS (1) OWS

Not voting (1): prplhz

Currently, SCOTT is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 01:00 GMT (+00:00).

Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.

note: the previous vote count has been edited for clarity

On April 24 2015 09:12 LeiNadk wrote:
@Holyflare:

Ok, so Damd giving up on Day 2 is really scummy and you can back up the claim that it's unlike him with your experience playing with him before and such. Can you read anything from Day 1 or Night 1 that would further support your claim?

Then I would be willing to vote Damdred.

On April 24 2015 14:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Just ignore me because I'm livid about other stuff atm.

On April 24 2015 08:33 Onegu wrote:
OWS has been doing quite the same, although just not as much of a time sink. He points out suspicious thoughts, areas of concern, and is trying to solve the game. .


I've reread your filter, and although you point in townie directions - I'm not seeing your reads. You said HF was possible scum and rescinded that read - Damd is town? Onegu?

Second part talking about OWS

How does he switch to these in consecutive posts just doesnt make sense at all

On April 26 2015 13:46 Onegu wrote:
OMG OWS is so scum here and you guys dont see it. All he is doing this phase is asking pointless questions and then never following up on them. You wanna know how I pegged scum rsoul in the last newbie. She was doing the same damn thing. You guys are bitching at me about not doing anything but you are just being a bunch of hypocrites.

Second Scotts answer isnt actually a answer at all. His read mixing makes not sense to me. Most likely makes him scum.

BRB in a few with more.