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LeiNadk
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MFoS and OMGUS gave me sone good laugh after a long week. | ||
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LeiNadk
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On April 19 2015 10:47 Trfel wrote: But I got the first post, so I'm the only confirmed town here? How does that make you a town? | ||
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Tr;dr even though Trfel's long post looks impressive, I can't say he is a town. | ||
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LeiNadk
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First of all, I'm watching Bourne not because of Trfel's logic but because of the fact that he said he was going to sleep but stuck around as evident from his comment after Trfel's entrant post. I feel like he is carefully following the game without making it seems like he is. As for Damdred and LS exchange, Damdred seems like he is just trying to get some sort of read and LS is handling it calmly. I'm getting strong town vibe from both of them to be frank. I haven't played with them before. If they are very skilled players, then I can't be sure. For Shining, I don't know but nothing out of ordinary. Scott, seems to be jumping from here and there.. I can't say he is a strong town. I am very thankful for answering my question though. | ||
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LeiNadk
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Sorry about all the questions. Should I direct these questions to coaches rather post them in the game? | ||
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On April 19 2015 14:27 scott31337 wrote: I really don't have much at the moment - Damdred slight town - you as well - I believe Shining is still upset about the case I made about him four months ago in LX. Everyone else null ATM Could you elaborate on Damdred and Obi? Why town? | ||
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LeiNadk
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LeiNadk: Just a confused townie most likely he being earnest I feel with him asking questions on how to play kinda reminds me of myself on my first game on TL. I'm not confused just trying to figure out some of the terminologies. Scott: He looked so damn townie when he was scum and he looks townie here to so null. Why does he look town to you? Because that wasn't my read on him so far. | ||
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LeiNadk
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Vote: scott31337 will explain later with my reads. | ||
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LeiNadk
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I started looking into Scott after he asked Trfel this question: + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 13:00 scott31337 wrote: What do you think of the LS/Damdred exchange? I know LS can be intimidated - and avoiding questions intentionally is viewed as scummy. And later gave his read to OWS as: + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 14:27 scott31337 wrote: I really don't have much at the moment - Damdred slight town - you as well - I believe Shining is still upset about the case I made about him four months ago in LX. Everyone else null ATM I let my first suspicion known at that point, because he was interested in LS/Damdred exchanged and stated that LS avoiding questions intentionally is viewed as scummy. + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 14:29 LeiNadk wrote: My thoughts so far: First of all, I'm watching Bourne not because of Trfel's logic but because of the fact that he said he was going to sleep but stuck around as evident from his comment after Trfel's entrant post. I feel like he is carefully following the game without making it seems like he is. As for Damdred and LS exchange, Damdred seems like he is just trying to get some sort of read and LS is handling it calmly. I'm getting strong town vibe from both of them to be frank. I haven't played with them before. If they are very skilled players, then I can't be sure. For Shining, I don't know but nothing out of ordinary. Scott, seems to be jumping from here and there.. I can't say he is a strong town. I am very thankful for answering my question though. So I asked him for the reasons why: + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 14:38 LeiNadk wrote: Could you elaborate on Damdred and Obi? Why town? His answer, not quite satisfying to me but I didn't press on. + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 14:44 scott31337 wrote: Obi and Damdred have been asking questions and offering their ideas and they feel honest to me so far. Later when TBD shows up, he immediately asks for his reads: + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 15:34 scott31337 wrote: Evening - Do you mind if I call you TBD or Dwarf? What do you think so far? On April 19 2015 15:57 scott31337 wrote: I read your last game and you are about as useful so far and got mislynched. If you are town this game can you step it up and learn from your mistakes? Do you have any reads? And he pressure votes merely 40 minutes later. Keep in mind that most of the players including himself doesn't have a solid read at this point. BM, cake, and plotspot haven't even posted anything yet. + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 16:15 scott31337 wrote: I think you need some encouragement. ## Vote: TheBloodyDwarf And TBD's total posts after that are (pretty much nothing): + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2015 00:11 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Really good post. This post made some of my views from the last game stronger. I think I will re read this again later in the game. On April 20 2015 00:42 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Ofc I could make reads like this that add nothing to this game except more pages. Maybe I should do that coz it makes me look good. I just wanted to be honest and said that I have no reads yet  Sry LightningStrike  On April 20 2015 01:03 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Hey veterans here. What is your experience about inactive players that come to thread with post stating their reason for inactivity and haven't posted at all. How many times they have been scums? I mean just inactivity on day1 gives them like "free" day. Less posts, less scumhunting on them. On April 20 2015 07:14 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Wow, I have been banned several times on this website but damn, now there is name that I should look forward to when playing mafia. Such a legend. + Show Spoiler + /jk Do I need to even need to stay this? AND Scott drops the vote + no content post: + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote: What a night! Let me catch up in the thread - TBD picked it up a little bit, but he's still on a tight leash for now. ## Unvote What the hell is this BM? This is a terrible idea and you know it. BM roles scum like 80% of the time anyway, RNG gods love him. That's an excellent read - although I have before - the whole banlist is worth a read too.  Are you feeling okay - or? Sorry to hear that. Looks like others went over BM's terrible idea already... And then Bill Murry makes a case on Scott. I agree with only a few points and I disagree with the rest of BM's case: + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2015 22:54 Bill Murray wrote: his one town post, the above, even feels forced. he throws out a couple leans as bones to the town, and then goes on to finish it with the almighty "Everyone is null" Yeah it's early in the game but this is different. This is him trying to coast through while having activity for the sake of activity without committing to any analysis whatsoever. When directly questioned comes up with a bullshit excuse based upon "he feels obi and damdred are town" His rebuttal to those two points made by BM were not convincing to me, especially this one: + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2015 01:31 scott31337 wrote: Everyone else was null - Damdred and OWS were stirring the thread in the right direction, and I did not have an opionion on anybody else yet. If I added to that now, I'd give a slight town to Trfel - him and Damdred going at it looks innocent, and you look a little scummy. Fair? Conclusion: Question to Scott: I don't understand what you are trying to say with who-voted-what. Please explain why OWS and Trfel are your top towns. And why is Onegu maybe a mafia. + Show Spoiler + BM I get somewhat, because he made a weak case against you and wanted mass blue claim. You made a case on Bourneq, fair. On April 21 2015 10:59 scott31337 wrote: cakepie (5):, Bourneq, HolyFlare, scott, trfel OWS scott31337 (5): Bill Murray, Onegu, LeiNadk, cakepie damd Bourneq (1): The Shining Trfel (1): LightningStrike Not voting (1): prplhz LS voted for Trfel so he wouldn't vote for a townie, but then did - I think Trfel's town. The Shining left his vote on Bourneq and we haven't heard from him either recently. Cakepie shows Bourneq vote first (I'll have to find the unvote listing as well) - HF, Scott, Trfel, OWS - but OWS was on earlier before trying to start on LS. The wagon on me has been some slight townie leads and a flipped VT - although I'm still suspicious of BM though. OWS and Trfel would be my top towns BM and Bourneq, maybe Onegu? would be at the bottom. If you have any questions, feel free. PS - This is a reasonable case, even though I don't agree with it. On April 21 2015 12:40 scott31337 wrote: + Show Spoiler [Bourneq's posts] + On April 20 2015 04:06 Bourneq wrote: Because this is a different trfel than from the last game I just came from where he was town. And making a huge post like that and trying hard to look like town seems forced and not genuine, like it comes from a scum perspective. It could be motivated from both alignments as I've stated before but I am getting a scummy vibe. Obi why do you not think this will be a high postcount game? On April 20 2015 19:47 Bourneq wrote: In regards to Trfel I have done nothing to set up a vote on you. I did not even concider it so I really don't know where this is coming from. I would guess its from this Yet I just said that to get Bill to talk since he would not do that with you. I thought you brought up some good points and did not want Bill to get away with not answering them. And he had stated he would not talk to YOU about it. I had not even concsidered voting trfel but I wanted to get a conversation with Bill going. On a different note I am not sure about the Bill lynch yet, it kind of feels like the plotspot lynch last game where he was saying some super scummy things yet flipped town. But if I had to vote right now I would vote Bill, I really hope this thread picks up however so that we can make a more educated lynch. Speaking of plotspot he is still a no-show which makes me sad. He is likely to draw a plynch or 2. Currently Obi is on my radar. This post above is worse than my answer last game when asked to give a tone read. And that says something. Especially since obi is not a newbie and I am. He seems awfully set on plynching D1 aswell which I dont like. All this said I still would not scumlist him. On April 20 2015 19:59 Bourneq wrote: Little side note to my last post. Just because I did not want to vote trfel does not mean I've towned him yet. On April 21 2015 04:21 Bourneq wrote: Wow trfels reads are so terrible I want to lynch him. But at least he is posting. ##Vote Trfel Just casting my vote real quick I will be back in a few hours. On April 21 2015 05:17 Bourneq wrote: Omg I missvoted, I just realised lmao. That was suppost to be cakepie. ##Unvote ##Vote cakepie On April 21 2015 08:34 Bourneq wrote: lmao, going to get lynched for typing the wrong name? Fair. I was in a rush, was talking about trfel but was saying I am not voting him because he is active. Then I was going to write cakepie but I was in a rush and trfel was on my mind so somehow my brain typed that. Then an hour or two later I was talking about mafia with a mate and it dawned on me, wait.. Did I really write cakepie?? No I had not. Anyway seems im dead in a bit but just thought you should know this before I flip town. Gl townies. On April 21 2015 08:57 Bourneq wrote: You're right damdred. So cakepie seriously belives that im scum, made a wrong vote, got yelled at by my scum team and thus changed it. Alright fair enough, but why would I in the very same post that I voted in, make a case for NOT voting trfel? That does not make sense. I had no intention of voting on trfel. Your other point reads that I was somehow "picking at easy targets" early in the game, yet the 2 people I was really looking into and asking questions was trfel and bill murray. Both have an enormous amount of games played compared to me, them being "easy targets" for me makes absolutely no sense. And what do you mean by I was assigned to "work" on a town leader. I see trfel in no way as a town leader, I dont even see him as town yet. And what do you mean by "work"? The furthest I got with trfel was saying I got a scummy vibe from his first post that was as long as my arm but that it was NAI. I even clarified right after + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2015 19:59 Bourneq wrote: Little side note to my last post. Just because I did not want to vote trfel does not mean I've towned him yet. So I want to look at Bourneq again, espically with the "incorrect vote". Bourneq thought Trfel was "try harding" with his prewitten post - showing he has suspicions of Trfel? I did not think much of the Trfel post myself, although it did start discussion in the thread, which I like. Bourneq was discussing with Trfel on how he wanted to stir up conversation with BM. Afterwards, BM did the mass claim post. Many people (including myself) jumped on Bill Murray for this and the discussion was diverted, and Bourneq does not return back to Trfel until he says his reads are terrible. He also writes trfel's name TWICE, once in his statement and again for the vote. Could it have been an honest mistake? Possibly, but writing it twice makes me wonder. So I thought I'd do some more digging. What I discovered between the two posts above (From page 17 to page 23) - Cakepie never posts. How did cakepie's reads change when he never posted? Is Bourneq making his change up then? Was he on Trfel intentionally and then attempting to cover his tracks? I'm pretty suspicious of this "honest mistake". It's scummy when his reasoning isn't making sense. I do not know what any of Bourneq's reads are - Cakepie flipped VT - what about Trfel and BM? I don't think he was trying to cover his track. His mistake seems honest, however how he defended himself was terrible. THIS "Wow trfels reads are so terrible I want to lynch him. But at least he is posting." IS NOT THIS "Alright fair enough, but why would I in the very same post that I voted in, make a case for NOT voting trfel?" | ||
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LeiNadk
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Long time ago, early in the game, LS posted this read: + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 21:40 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and saw TheBloodyDwarf complaining on the lack of Europeans in this thread. Also Shining had a question which will now be answered: Okay let's be honest here I usually get scumread for my early reads list by most people but here some thoughts on people: OWS: Null he haven't done much yet but I know when he post more I can give more of a accurate meta read because he haven't posted much. Shinging: Maybe Town you seem to be trying actually but I haven't forgiven you on being scum in our last game together  LeiNadk: Just a confused townie most likely he being earnest I feel with him asking questions on how to play kinda reminds me of myself on my first game on TL. Tfrel: Null he can do most of his stuff as both alignments (Hinted at pregame he would do a really large post) Scott: He looked so damn townie when he was scum and he looks townie here to so null. Bourneq: Null he haven't really done much. Also Bourneq I'm here what's your thoughts so far? To which I responded with: + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 22:46 LeiNadk wrote: I'm not confused just trying to figure out some of the terminologies. Why does he look town to you? Because that wasn't my read on him so far. LS, you said this: + Show Spoiler + I'm confused with that because you said, "he looks townie here to(o) so null." Why did he look townie? And I'm sorry to Damdred for taking so long. I am surprised you didn't push for my answer though. + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 22:47 Damdred wrote: Explain your read on Scott lei | ||
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LeiNadk
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I still think Scott is a scum. Damdred is a town. I do note that Damdred is posting less than Day 1, but I give him the benefit of doubt. BM being shot threw me off a little, because I thought he and Scott were a pair. As for OWS, I need to filter him. | ||
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LeiNadk
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LS is a confirmed town at this point? | ||
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LeiNadk
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At EoD1 Scott's scum lists are: BM, Bourn, and Onegu(?) BM asks, "why do you scumread the people that arent on the townie wagon that got lynched," which applies to BM himself and Onegu. (Bourn voted Cake) Scott's response was + Show Spoiler + Because both wagons are town. OWS started on Cakepie, and then tried to go on LS and back on Cakepie, but from his posts he has been giving - and trying to start the LS wagon - I'm pretty sure he is town. You have gone after Trfel and myself and he's my other townread. HF hasn't done enough and who he replaced didn't do anything either. Tomorrow is a new day to reevaluate. LS was honest with not liking either wagon (Neither did I) although a throw away vote looks bad. If you really dig deep, there no scum read. They are all town reads with the exception of BM. For instance, why does OWS avoid Cake wagon from happening an indication that he is town? (I actually think after filtering for quotes, OWS is a scum. His case at the end). Trfel being a town, (Scott explains it later). BM is scum because he is making wrong reads according to him? Not a convincing read. HF is null. LS is town (because he is honest). What about Bourn and Onegu? I will give him credit for his case on Bourn after his initial EoD1 post. + Show Spoiler + So I want to look at Bourneq again, espically with the "incorrect vote". Bourneq thought Trfel was "try harding" with his prewitten post - showing he has suspicions of Trfel? I did not think much of the Trfel post myself, although it did start discussion in the thread, which I like. Bourneq was discussing with Trfel on how he wanted to stir up conversation with BM. Afterwards, BM did the mass claim post. Many people (including myself) jumped on Bill Murray for this and the discussion was diverted, and Bourneq does not return back to Trfel until he says his reads are terrible. He also writes trfel's name TWICE, once in his statement and again for the vote. Could it have been an honest mistake? Possibly, but writing it twice makes me wonder. So I thought I'd do some more digging. What I discovered between the two posts above (From page 17 to page 23) - Cakepie never posts. How did cakepie's reads change when he never posted? Is Bourneq making his change up then? Was he on Trfel intentionally and then attempting to cover his tracks? I'm pretty suspicious of this "honest mistake". It's scummy when his reasoning isn't making sense. I do not know what any of Bourneq's reads are - Cakepie flipped VT - what about Trfel and BM? However the way he presents his case with a lot of rhetorical questions make it sounds like he discover something new about Bourn's posts after he looked through it again. But this is after he already labeled Bourn as a scum. His response to my earlier case: + Show Spoiler + To answer about TBD once again - He was looking just like the last game he played (Student VII) and I wanted to get him going when he entered the thread. Others had not entered the thread yet and I do know know if they live on the other side of the world and are even awake. I wanted him to do a little more posting, which he did - (It wasn't great, but it was something) so I dropped my vote, it accomplished in my opnion what I wanted it to do, which was get him talking a little more. TBD's position has been modkilled and flipped VT. Does that make sense? -- Question to Scott: I don't understand what you are trying to say with who-voted-what. Please explain why OWS and Trfel are your top towns. And why is Onegu maybe a mafia. ^ To answer - Trfel has been making strong points, noting things like LS's weird vote, researching filters, and making cases. He is encouraging conversation in I would say a somewhat inactive thread. I'm pretty confident he's town. OWS has been doing quite the same, although just not as much of a time sink. He points out suspicious thoughts, areas of concern, and is trying to solve the game. . I think I know Onegu's plan after reading his filter. I'm going to wait until tomorrow on him. I'll try to find more time for the other posts. Ok, I get TBD pressure vote and his reasoning. Town read on Trfel, too, I see, but why OWS as town? Yes, he asked many questions but primarily just the questions and no substantial contents after his pressure vote on Cake. (I will come back to OWS). Onegu's plan is next. + Show Spoiler + Onegu has not changed much - when I said earlier I thought I knew what his plan was, I thought he was scraping under the radar. Now that we have LS as the Vig, that idea is out the window. Ok, maybe because I'm a new player but I don't understand what scraping under the radar means. Nontheless, this indicates Scott's scum read on Onegu "has not changed much." He asks OWS + Show Spoiler + I've reread your filter, and although you point in townie directions - I'm not seeing your reads. You said HF was possible scum and rescinded that read - Damd is town? Onegu? His contentless comment on OWS/Onegu + Show Spoiler + I am unsure what to think about the OWS/Onegu "exchange" - although it seems to be running on emotion and they are kind of OMGUS'ing each other. I'll read some of their other games for emotion as well and see if I can find anything relative. He asks OWS again + Show Spoiler + Obi what do you think of HF? This.. obsession of Scott toward OWS is weird at the least. Bourn points this out too. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2015 06:42 scott31337 wrote: I'm not defending OWS at every corner - I just see him more townie then some of the other people here. He just explained his reasoning for his day one vote. He tried to get others to vote on LS after the bad vote, and when he noted it was not going to happen, he let it go. Does his thought process make sense to you? It does to me. Should he be more active? Sure. Everyone should be. Is he trying harder then the lurkers? In my opinion, yes. Like I mentioned before, it seems like we have to pry information from people with a crow bar to make them active. Should we start pressure voting like I did with TBD? The point at which OWS let go of LS was when he claimed misfired vig. It wasn't a thought process, just an obvious common sense thing to do. Yeah, OWS posts more than some of us, but that alone can't justify Scott's strong town lean on him. And another so so: + Show Spoiler + Onegu did the vote on me and when I showed my post - he never replied or commented on it and left his vote. He instantly votes Obi when day two starts - I did check the database on his last town and mafia game - Although about 80% of both are one liners, he posts more as one as town and does not get very emotional, even after rayn attempted to make him emotional - and Rayn can go off the deep end. For "meta" - I did not find anything conclusive from my point of view either way. This is.. ok. I'm not going to force everything Scott says to fit my case, however what happened to your view on Bourn? + Show Spoiler + Onegu tries again with that obs arguement - Is that all you have? It's been almost 60 hours now Shining, where are you? I could go for a Onegu or Damdred lynch as well. ##Vote: The Shining | ||
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LeiNadk
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I still think Scott is a scum. Some of points from my earlier case on him have been cleared i.e. pressure vote on TBD, but his weird association with OWS from N1 to D2 and his lack of follow ups on Bourn are suspicious to me. | ||
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LeiNadk
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it's coming. It just takes some time. Sorry. | ||
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