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Actually I am going to sleep, its 4 am. | ||
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On April 19 2015 11:49 Trfel wrote: Hm, this game feels slow already. I thought my post would get things started, but I guess that wasn't good enough. I find Bourneq to be the most suspicious so far.Bourneq asks if anyone wants to ask him for a tone read, because this is something that people asked him to do last game. And he knows that it's a townie thing to do. However, the interesting thing is that he asks if people want him to tone read someone or something. He doesn't seem inclined to do it himself. This suggests that he is more interested in appeasing others and not getting lynched than actually finding scum. Furthermore, he says that he will sleep instead of scumhunting. But why would he leave the first sentence in if he is going to sleep after all? He left it in to gain town credit for being open to doing something towny (making a read). Then, someone in his previous game made a post. And Bourneq acknowledges it and says that he wasn't going to read it. Why does Bourneq feel a need to acknowledge my post? He already said that he's tired and he will be going to bed. His post doesn't help town in any way, but it makes him seem more involved in the game (which is false, since he didn't bother to toneread anyone at all). I'll be heading out again for a while. Any thoughts? I was laughing really bad reading this. I was making a joke in both thoose comments. First joke because of last game when we lost because I did not know what a tone read was. Secondly I updated the page as I was brushing my teeth and see a post as long as my arm. I acctually read the thing and felt like it had been written up the day before so it looks just as scummy as it looks townie to me. Anyway I was just about to go to sleep so I just said TL;DR as a joke and headed for bed. On a completely different note, I am excited too see what dwarf will bring to the table this game. So far I could get behind lynching all the americans but I dont know if that is a valid strategy since they dont necessarily have to be scum to be americans. | ||
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I agree with your reads so far my only addition I guess would be Bill Murray, plotspot and cakepies inactivity. I like trfel so far since the last person who ended up scumreading me this early on for my very first posts ended up being town. And you seem just as town as anybody else to me so far. I see you have plenty of mafia experiance on TL so I was wondering what you think about Scott's pressure vote on dwarf since he also has plenty of experiance? This happened to dwarf last game too and he ended up being mislynched from not making a very good defence for himself. So is not pressure voting noobies often counter productive? | ||
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I like the honesty. I was the same last game as vt. But I understand trfels point about how everybody knows D1 reads are very subject to change anyway. I would really like to see you say your thoughts on people so far dwarf. | ||
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And making a huge post like that and trying hard to look like town seems forced and not genuine, like it comes from a scum perspective. It could be motivated from both alignments as I've stated before but I am getting a scummy vibe. Obi why do you not think this will be a high postcount game? | ||
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On April 20 2015 06:48 Trfel wrote: For anyone who doesn't know Bill Murray, he's quite famous. This is a must read. That was an excelent read. Can't belive im playing mafia with such a legend. | ||
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It's also strange how he suddenly jumped on me when he said that he liked me for scumreading him. It feels that Bourneq is trying to set himself up to vote for me, but then Bill Murray suggests mass claiming, and this starts to draw attention. Bourneq never mentions me again. This progression seems extremely suspicious to me. Besides this, Bourneq hasn't done very much. He's sheeped the thread sentiment several times (agreeing entirely with LightningStrike's list post, but mentioning the three inactive players, note that he didn't mention inactive players last game as town), and a weak read on LightningStrike ("[LightningStrike seems] just as town as anybody else to me so far"). I could definitely lynch Bourneq. I have done nothing to set up a vote on you. I did not even concider it so I really don't know where this is coming from. I would guess its from this Yet I just said that to get Bill to talk since he would not do that with you. I thought you brought up some good points and did not want Bill to get away with not answering them. And he had stated he would not talk to YOU about it. I had not even concidered voting trfel but I wanted to get a conversation with Bill going. On a different note I am not sure about the Bill lynch yet, it kind of feels like the plotspot lynch last game where he was saying some super scummy things yet flipped town. But if I had to vote right now I would vote Bill, I really hope this thread picks up however so that we can make a more educated lynch. Speaking of plotspot he is still a no-show which makes me sad. He is likely to draw a plynch or 2. Currently Obi is on my radar. This post above is worse than my answer last game when asked to give a tone read. And that says something. Especially since obi is not a newbie and I am. He seems awfully set on plynching D1 aswell which I dont like. All this said I still would not scumlist him. | ||
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Scott since you unvoted TBD do you mind sharing who you would wrather vote as of now? | ||
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##Vote Trfel Just casting my vote real quick I will be back in a few hours. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote cakepie | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 21 2015 06:53 cakepie wrote: What is this? One does not simply "misvote" as town, I figure almost everyone would at least glance to check. Nonono, this scumbag messed up his marching orders, then left to do other things. Imagine the shouting in their QT! I think with the mixed student format rather than pure newb game, and coaching, we have a scum team that tries to coordinate. They start by casting light suspicions around, and picking out potentially easy targets (often inactives), without committing. There's a couple of players who did that early on, if you've been inspecting filters you'll see that Bourneq was one of those that fit the criteria. Sometimes, these light-suspicion-lists will include a scumbuddy, just for the sake of mixing it up, or potential bus later on. As the day develops, scumteam tries to diversify and pick out other targets, try to get a sense of the thread sentiment re: what kind of wagon they can get rolling. They'll make it a point to be on different targets rather than mass wagoning early. They're also hesitant to turn the ignition and add critical mass to a wagon too early, but want to avoid being too late for fear of suspicion of wagoning/sheeping. They generally don't do as well at justifying their reads and votes. And I conjecture that this is where Bourneq scumbungled. His opinion shift re:Trfel is because he was assigned to "work" on a town leader threat. He didn't justify that terribly well. At the same time, scum is pondering when it is safe to start wagoning onto me. At this juncture, with conflicting priorities on the mind, and needing to be off somewhere but compelled to do something before leaving, he made a mistake. As already pointed out, he actually mentioned Trfel, and not me, while voting Trfel. ##Vote: Bourneq ##FoS: Scott333 for being the other player fitting the scum behavior pattern and that super OMGUS. I usually prefer to do voting pattern and behavioral analysis later in the game when there is more to work with, but with the low activity and the need for me to contribute I figure let's give it a shot here. ----- <3 someone bothered to check! Also, I still haven't rolled scum yet! And stop reading way too much into my post timings, I assure you it's not helpful. Hilarious, remember that one when I flip. I kind of want to make a case for cakepie now that im back, but with only an hour left and with nobody that seems to be around, whats the point? | ||
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The only reason I am dying today is because we have failed in getting and real information out there. I dont feel strongly about my cakevote neither so really what the fuck is this game? I made way more of an effort than a lot of people here and yet I am getting misslynched for a typo. Cheers trfel. | ||
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On April 21 2015 06:53 cakepie wrote: What is this? One does not simply "misvote" as town, I figure almost everyone would at least glance to check. Nonono, this scumbag messed up his marching orders, then left to do other things. Imagine the shouting in their QT! I think with the mixed student format rather than pure newb game, and coaching, we have a scum team that tries to coordinate. They start by casting light suspicions around, and picking out potentially easy targets (often inactives), without committing. There's a couple of players who did that early on, if you've been inspecting filters you'll see that Bourneq was one of those that fit the criteria. Sometimes, these light-suspicion-lists will include a scumbuddy, just for the sake of mixing it up, or potential bus later on. As the day develops, scumteam tries to diversify and pick out other targets, try to get a sense of the thread sentiment re: what kind of wagon they can get rolling. They'll make it a point to be on different targets rather than mass wagoning early. They're also hesitant to turn the ignition and add critical mass to a wagon too early, but want to avoid being too late for fear of suspicion of wagoning/sheeping. They generally don't do as well at justifying their reads and votes. And I conjecture that this is where Bourneq scumbungled. His opinion shift re:Trfel is because he was assigned to "work" on a town leader threat. He didn't justify that terribly well. At the same time, scum is pondering when it is safe to start wagoning onto me. At this juncture, with conflicting priorities on the mind, and needing to be off somewhere but compelled to do something before leaving, he made a mistake. As already pointed out, he actually mentioned Trfel, and not me, while voting Trfel. ##Vote: Bourneq ##FoS: Scott333 for being the other player fitting the scum behavior pattern and that super OMGUS. I usually prefer to do voting pattern and behavioral analysis later in the game when there is more to work with, but with the low activity and the need for me to contribute I figure let's give it a shot here. ----- <3 someone bothered to check! Also, I still haven't rolled scum yet! And stop reading way too much into my post timings, I assure you it's not helpful. So cakepie seriously belives that im scum, made a wrong vote, got yelled at by my scum team and thus changed it. Alright fair enough, but why would I in the very same post that I voted in, make a case for NOT voting trfel? That does not make sense. I had no intention of voting on trfel. Your other point reads that I was somehow "picking at easy targets" early in the game, yet the 2 people I was really looking into and asking questions was trfel and bill murray. Both have an enormous amount of games played compared to me, them being "easy targets" for me makes absolutely no sense. And what do you mean by I was assigned to "work" on a town leader. I see trfel in no way as a town leader, I dont even see him as town yet. And what do you mean by "work"? The furthest I got with trfel was saying I got a scummy vibe from his first post that was as long as my arm but that it was NAI. I even clarified right after + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2015 19:59 Bourneq wrote: Little side note to my last post. Just because I did not want to vote trfel does not mean I've towned him yet. | ||
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On April 21 2015 09:06 Damdred wrote: Well that's not bad thoughts. What do you think about anyone else in the game ? Also have you read cakes filter? And you said earlier you were going to case cake specifically, besides that vote on you what drew you to him specifically that made you want to cas him? yes I have read his filter several times now. I am not sure about him, he was my "placeholder vote" not trfel. But in light of how he has really urged a vote on the only person im sure is town I am willing to type my thoughts up on him. he starts off late in the thread. Then makes a "contribution" where he acctualy says nothing new or even mildly interesting. + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2015 14:56 cakepie wrote: Before anything else, what the heck, I'm not allowed to refresh the thread on the side while filter diving and working on my reads? Feels like my play style doesn’t fit the meta these days or something. ----- Since I got a late start to the game, I’ll start by bringing a new, different observation of my own, and try to avoid rehashing things that people have already brought up. Scott asked me about LightningStrike -- who turns out to be squarely null+ -- engaged and forthcoming, a bit better than most, and not particularly controversial or swingy. What’s interesting, though, is that looking over LS and his interactions, a lot of it is with Damdred, who on closer inspection feels like he may be trying to get chummy with LS. And why so eager to know how LS reads him so early on? Not blatant red flag -- might just be a product of who’s around and active to talk to early game, or just a meta thing between people who’ve played together -- I don’t know most of the newer players. Also certainly not to trying to draw associations. Just a thing I noticed, smells a bit fishy, not concrete, but may be worth keeping an eye on. ----- Now for something else that feel I must address and make my opinion known, even at the risk of rebleating someone else: Trfel’s huegpost: some people have pointed to it as not alignment indicative, BM flagged it as scumandeering. I feel it is somewhere between the two, south of null. Certainly, the hypothetical scum motivation is there: gaining cred for little substance, and swaying the favor of newbie players. Town motivation, much harder to justify -- sure, it’s a newbie game, but we are in-game and this is not the venue for dumping guides and glossaries -- there are resources out there for that. Feels almost pretentious, trying to tell people how to play. Of course, clearly the post was premeditated before the game even started, and he has some history of making similar posts, though not quite as big, so that’s what nudges it away from being an outright red flag for me. Make attention grabbing huegpost? Okay, you have my attention, but now what are you going to do with it? If you want to try to take the reins and lead town -- fine by me, I don’t judge that in itself either way. But if you put yourself in the spotlight, expect scrutiny, that’s only fair. Afterwards he makes a case against BM because he wanted to blue hunt. Nothing new here. This one is really funny On April 20 2015 14:59 cakepie wrote: Oh yeah, fantastic, get pvoted while drafting. =/ I'm here, talk to me. Better things to do than policy lynch with plenty of time remaining. And even if you're determined to go LAL, isn't there someone else who is even less active? Mainly because its followed by On April 20 2015 18:42 cakepie wrote: ##Vote: plotspot Goodnight LoneMeow, since it doesn't look like anyone else is left around He seems to really dislike policy voting but does it himself, only to retract it when prplhz replaces. "Why not go scrutinize people who seem perfectly happy to stay inactive? Not to OMGUS, but it's starting to get kind of fishy how the case on me is almost lazy easy policy tunnel." The case on him is in no way a "policy tunnel." And the last post he made concerning me I have already adressed the absurdity of so I wont go into that again. | ||
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On April 21 2015 12:53 Trfel wrote: Bourneq I still think that Bourneq is mafia here. And I'll keep on thinking so until something actually suggests otherwise. Towny things that Bourneq does + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2015 20:47 Bourneq wrote: While this post doesn't say anything that is actually important to the game, Bourneq seems relaxed. I'm not sure that a first time scum would be able to respond in such a relaxed manner.I was laughing really bad reading this. I was making a joke in both thoose comments. First joke because of last game when we lost because I did not know what a tone read was. Secondly I updated the page as I was brushing my teeth and see a post as long as my arm. I acctually read the thing and felt like it had been written up the day before so it looks just as scummy as it looks townie to me. Anyway I was just about to go to sleep so I just said TL;DR as a joke and headed for bed. On a completely different note, I am excited too see what dwarf will bring to the table this game. So far I could get behind lynching all the americans but I dont know if that is a valid strategy since they dont necessarily have to be scum to be americans. On April 20 2015 06:52 Bourneq wrote: Bourneq seems to be actively thinking through Bill Murray's request for the power roles to claim, and he didn't immediately arrive at the conclusion that Bill Murray is mafia (like many others did). This looks good.I would geniunly like to hear the benfits of mass claiming D1. Thinking about it, I dont understand how it would help us? Scum would know who to kill and could super easily counterclaim so that town looses any potential benefits. Bill is not a newbie so I must be missing something right? Seems like a stupid thing to ask for even if he is scum. On April 20 2015 19:47 Bourneq wrote: In addition, Bourneq provided a read on ObiWanShinobi. This read went against the thread sentiment, and even though he doesn't sound very confident in it, it does look good for him.Currently Obi is on my radar. This post above is worse than my answer last game when asked to give a tone read. And that says something. Especially since obi is not a newbie and I am. He seems awfully set on plynching D1 aswell which I dont like. All this said I still would not scumlist him. Why Bourneq is scum
Bourneq needs to die. You keep going back to how my "read progression" does not make sense and still claim that I dont make any reads. The "read" you keep going back to is the one concerning yourself. You go as far back as my first posts where I said "I like trfel so far since the last person who ended up scumreading me this early on for my very first posts ended up being town." This still holds true, the last person that was pushing a lynch on me like this was prplhz last game. A foolish misslynch that derailed the town the entire game, just like it is doing now. I dont know if you are town or mafia, I was sure prpl was mafia last game because of how he pushed me when I was town. Turns out we were both town, maybe that is the case here aswell, but your case on me is so horse shit that I can't just leave it. I did not townread you at the start of the game. I said the things you did was NAI. "I am not scum, give me your reasoning Bill, I'd love to vote trfel. He is trying a bit too hard." I already went over this. BM litteraly said he would not talk to you. So I took his side in the hopes of getting him talking, and it worked. I could easily have made a vote on you at that point since I did not have a strong read on anybody. The odds of that vote staying on you were very slim. Your next point concerning how I apparently first said your page long post at the start was townie, then scummy. Which just is not true and none of your quotes support your claim. You're just making stuff up as you go. Ill quote myself as you did. "And making a huge post like that and trying hard to look like town seems forced and not genuine, like it comes from a scum perspective. It could be motivated from both alignments as I've stated before but I am getting a scummy vibe." You continue your point by saying "So he actually believes this. This is a very strange read." It is not a read, it is saying that your mega long post is NAI. Then you say "So, either he is terribly inconsistent and forgetful, or he is lying here." Lying where and forgeting what? You go on, So, he never actually considered voting for me. If my play is "different from last game, where [I] was town" and he is "getting a scummy vibe", why would he not even consider voting me? This is extremely strange. Your quote that is suppost to support your claim that it is "strange" is this "I had not even concidered voting trfel but I wanted to get a conversation with Bill going." Reasons for not voting on you #1. You're the most active person here, #2, you're acting just like town prplhz last game #3, I did not have much to go on D1. So no, I was never voting on you. And it is not "extremely strange". "If he is not suspicious of me, then why did he say that my long post made me look suspicious, when he already stated that it was not alignment indicative?" Still to get a conversation with BM going, how many times are we going to go over this before you understand this? Yes, I had stated the post was NAI, what is it you're not understanding? Next part is your point named "Strange read progression on cakepie" Where you say this in concern of my failed vote "Let's assume that he is telling the truth here, and he mis-voted. He effectively voted for cakepie without any reasoning at all. At this time, cakepie had made two real posts. If Bourneq saw something scummy there, he would have said something. This is a policy lynch." No it is not a policy lynch. It was a placeholder vote for something new to arrise, maybe cakepie would start to speak up. After I get back from my friend and onto my computer I see ok, I have 7 votes. I better make a case for cakepie. I stand by my case on him, but it was 100% motivated from almost being misslynched. As far as I know, anybody would have been better to lynch than me because I know that a lynch on me is a misslynch. On April 21 2015 09:20 Bourneq wrote: yes I have read his filter several times now. I am not sure about him, he was my "placeholder vote" not trfel. But in light of how he has really urged a vote on the only person im sure is town I am willing to type my thoughts up on him. And good fucking god your "Bonus!" point. On April 21 2015 08:34 Bourneq wrote: lmao, going to get lynched for typing the wrong name? Fair. I was in a rush, was talking about trfel but was saying I am not voting him because he is active. Then I was going to write cakepie but I was in a rush and trfel was on my mind so somehow my brain typed that. Then an hour or two later I was talking about mafia with a mate and it dawned on me, wait.. Did I really write cakepie?? No I had not. Anyway seems im dead in a bit but just thought you should know this before I flip town. Gl townies. Bold emphasis mine. Who would he be talking to? Surely not his scum buddies in the scum QT? This level of honesty portrayed in a towny way could explain his earlier reaction to my early read on him. Yes, I'm aware that this is stupid. But I find it funny to think about. Yea its extremely stupid thanks for pointing that out, you dont think I have friends anywhere outside of mafia? You don't think I could possibly have mentioned to any one of theese people that I have been playing mafia? TL;DR Trfel is talking out of his ass. This could be because he has nobody better to jump on but D2 approaches and there are plenty of suspicious people now that he could be spending his time analyzing. Instead he seems dead set on lynching me based on nonsense. | ||
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##Vote ObiWanshinobi Go on, ask me why. Do something for crying out loud. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 22 2015 12:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote: He's moving the thread forward and he's breezy and free with his reads. Damdred is a relatively straightforward read in terms of how he plays, because the last few times I've seen him roll scum and the time I actually was scum with him, he plays completely differently and really only posts enough to get by. I'd like to think I'm pretty accurate in reading him, so I'm pretty confident in crossing his name off of my scumlist this game. I already said I dont care about peoples metas, metas change, people play differantly each game. As far as I know you two could still be scum together. | ||
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On April 23 2015 06:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You're right, I should never explain my thought processes or use the vast experience I have with these veteran players because I could be wrong. Ofcourse you should, but you can't expect me to trust it. | ||
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Where is he?? | ||
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##Vote Onegu This game.. | ||
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On April 27 2015 00:11 Onegu wrote: He still never said shit on me at all this game and parked his vote on me for no reason. I did that because you had done jack shit all game and I wanted you to do something yea. | ||
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##Vote Onegu Seems the msot reasonable. | ||
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