Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal

On March 25 2015 08:43 justanothertownie wrote:

Well, guaranteed is not the correct word...

On March 28 2015 08:03 Snarfs wrote:
Keirathi, how would you select a candidate for lynch?

On March 28 2015 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:
Dammit. I wanted to play a wizard.

w/e game sux

On March 28 2015 08:15 Hapahauli wrote:




lynch all liars, etc etc.

On March 28 2015 08:17 Onegu wrote:



Cool vote Onegu then.

On March 28 2015 08:18 ExO_ wrote:
Just to make sure i'm on the right page:

Day 1 vote isn't to lynch, but to elect the adventuring party right? Or will the warrior be lynch if the rogue says so?

On March 28 2015 08:20 ExO_ wrote:


Right, I got that part. But let's say they decide they want a lynch: who's getting lynched?

Is it the warrior, who will have the most votes in the voting thread?

On March 28 2015 08:27 Sepulchre wrote:
Thinking about it, the cleric is probably the most important role of the three.

On March 28 2015 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
I will not vote for anyone based on their self-aggrandizing campaign posters. You know who I will vote for though?


##Vote: yamato

This guy.

On March 28 2015 09:40 VisceraEyes wrote:

Case in point: Keirathi. He spent a LOT of time on his campaign post, and has spent a LOT of time telling people to vote for him, and that's not how I want the person I vote for to be spending their time. EZPZ.

On March 28 2015 09:44 ritoky wrote:


Isn't there the loophole where every mafia votes for him and he is forced to lynch town? That doesn't seem like a winning strategy.

On March 28 2015 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:

I can get on board with this.
yamato is my buddeh.

##vote: yamato77

On March 28 2015 10:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
I mean, best plan is to give me control of stuff cuz I want it, but I won't have time to campaign like an idiot so I'm just give my vote to somebody I like.
Seems like a solid alternative to me.

On March 28 2015 10:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hmm, fair point. I do like you. Campaigning is annoying though.

On March 28 2015 10:41 LightningStrike wrote:

Mainly about the Rogue because the problem with Rouge is that anyone can No Lynch I mean unless we get Confirmed Town in the 2nd Slot scum will go for a no lynch easily. We need confirmed town on the 2nd highest votes.

On March 28 2015 11:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So rsoultin is scum because of something different players did in other games?

On March 28 2015 11:26 LightningStrike wrote:
No her entrance alone making her scum and the type of interaction between her and ExO reminds of what [UoN]Sent and Superbia did in Campus Day 1 which seems very Mafia on Mafia interaction.

On March 28 2015 11:33 LightningStrike wrote:

How am I confusing her for ritoky when she was very happy opening wise in XXX.

On March 28 2015 11:35 LightningStrike wrote:

rsoultin opening was her giving her little thing about liking ExO's plan that where 2 came from.

On March 28 2015 11:56 ExO_ wrote:


idk in Guardians he did something similar with "meta" reads when he said something along the lines of "I think ExO is town based on the Student Game we played last". Granted, now he's reading scum where in Guardians he was reading me as town.

Still doing that same silly kinda meta reading back to back as scum would be silly, so maybe I'm just over thinking it.

On March 28 2015 12:01 rsoultin wrote:


fair enough, though i wouldn't call that flashy campaign thingy much of a plan

On March 28 2015 12:05 rsoultin wrote:


which scum are you planning on lynching? lol

On March 28 2015 12:10 rsoultin wrote:

i still think it's a good idea to make people commit to the scum they want to lynch but i'm not gonna keep pushing it if no one else is interested

On March 28 2015 16:47 Holyflare wrote:


Second quote is my carol opener. If anyone can even hint that they are the same that is a blatant misrepresentation.

On March 28 2015 08:02 Snarfs wrote:
+ Show Spoiler + ...snip...

We need information from the day 1 lynch more than we need to hit mafia/3p.
...snip...

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 28 2015 17:47 rsoultin wrote:


i was referring to crossfire in general, but explain? i haven't played with him

On March 28 2015 18:14 rsoultin wrote:


reread my filter and try again keirathi

one thing i am is precise. if i think someone is scum or something is scummy i will say it directly

when i say "when is someone gonna talk about this guy?" that is precisely what i mean. not that the post is scummy. not that he is scum. but that i'm wondering why no one has commented on him yet.

anything else?

On March 29 2015 03:04 batsnacks wrote:


Fallout is cool and all and I'm sure you're happy he's townreading/joint-running with you but exo's game plan for d1 is scummy.

On March 28 2015 09:54 ExO_ wrote:


And you're voting a guy simply because he promised not to lynch you.

Potato Patoto

You can say you're town and this is helping town. But this isn't helping me see you as town, or anybody else in the thread. You're not finding scum, or helping to confirm yourself or others as town.

So how are you any better?

On March 29 2015 03:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyway I still like a sicklucker lynch.

On March 29 2015 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote:

Keir you're spending a really disproportionate amount of time trying to discredit everything I post. For a "meta master" you're really underwhelming this game. Consider yourself moved down to the "lynch" list.

On March 29 2015 06:20 Hapahauli wrote:


Because I'm town, dummy.

On March 29 2015 06:57 batsnacks wrote:


What about exo's filter made you feel like he was posting cautiously/carefully?

On March 28 2015 11:56 ExO_ wrote:


idk in Guardians he did something similar with "meta" reads when he said something along the lines of "I think ExO is town based on the Student Game we played last". Granted, now he's reading scum where in Guardians he was reading me as town.

Still doing that same silly kinda meta reading back to back as scum would be silly, so maybe I'm just over thinking it.

On March 28 2015 20:48 ExO_ wrote:
I think we're getting a bit distracted. The little squabble HF/Rsoultin is having isn't being productive right now. And while it's important to find scum I think it's more important to focus on who we're electing today. It's a bit rough right now since this game seems to really be off to a slow star and we've yet to here from a lot of people.

On March 28 2015 22:10 ExO_ wrote:


I've gotten very little. I'm leaning town on rsoultin. I lean town on you as well, but not as much as rsoultin.

Everybody else? Almost nothing. If you held a gun to my head and told me to pick scum I'd probably say JAT right now. He's answering questions and responding which I like, but he's not really adding information. He's not offering anything just reacting to what's there. It's the kinda thing that I think looks decent but isn't really helping town at all.

On March 29 2015 08:46 ritoky wrote:


mafia yamato probably afks through day 1 without picking a fight with a guy who was born spamming.

why are you town? I want to decide if you deserve to be in my 10

On March 29 2015 08:55 ExO_ wrote:
JAT my opinion of you isn't going to change unless you step it up. I think you are scum trying to slip by with quoting and agreeing with people while offering nothing to the town yourself.

On March 29 2015 09:06 ExO_ wrote:


Im not really willing to use his past play to justify his play this game (assuming it is the same). I think what he's doing now is scummy and not helpful to town. It's poor play and would be really easy to do as mafia. Playing poorly in one game as town will not excuse you from playing poorly in the next game as town.

That said I don't think he's town playing poorly here. I think he's scum

On March 29 2015 13:17 Holyflare wrote:


Well hapa is just flat out afk and i don't play with him at all so don't know if flat out afk is normally scummy for him (well it is scummy in comparison to his town game) or an anomaly but would still probably lynch him regardless. It doesn't give much info compared to ls who is active though and people have stances on.

On March 29 2015 13:25 Holyflare wrote:


Where am i disagreeing with you??..

On March 29 2015 13:28 Holyflare wrote:
"i want to lynch hapa because it's not like his town game and he's scummy regardless of whether it's like his normal scum game or not!"

"hapa is scummy bro! Lynch him!"

Seems rather an odd direction after i said i already want to lynch him. Why not just talk about ls instead because you know.... Information that isn't just someone afking.

On March 30 2015 04:04 ritoky wrote:
I voted for LS since I can't vote for myself, and he is an uncc'd role.

really if you're voting anyone other than me or LS you really need to splain.

On March 30 2015 04:07 Hapahauli wrote:
First things first, I'm starting anew. None of this Kita/BH stuff.

Second things seconds, we are 100% killing Trefl tomorrow.

He posted his scum-case on Sicklucker...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=41#808


... in which he makes a fairly reasonable post wrapping up why sicklucker is "mafia."

However in his next post is what makes me want to lynch him:


He wants to lynch sicklucker because he's 3rd party. That's a big nono. Mafia want to lynch 3rd parties. Town generally are looking for mafia first. It doesn't help that the rest of his post is basically summary and non-committal reads on LS, myself, and HtS.

On March 30 2015 04:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Fair enough.

So...Trfel/Keirathi?

On March 30 2015 04:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I asked HF about this earlier and I said I'd look into it. You've mostly dropped off after a reasonably good early day 1 and only came back to talk about either irrelevant stuff or you've discussed things that never got followed up on.

I remember you talking about LS and asking why we wanted to lynch him, but you never got an answer and never seemed to really care about it.

Then you only really showed up to talk about roles.

There are definitely other people I'd lynch first, but it seemed like you started out really strong and then kind of fell off, which is what I'd kind of expect after JoaT.

On March 30 2015 05:08 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody explain to me why VE is town? I am not saying he is mafia. Just tell me what he is.

On March 30 2015 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
KEirathi is 100% guaranteed to be scum at this point.

On March 30 2015 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote:

HF rito and Rso have intimated interest in lynching you. I want to lynch Snarfs. The decision is an easy one.

On March 30 2015 05:19 VisceraEyes wrote:

Because I might be wrong about you. I'm probably not about Snarfs.

On March 30 2015 05:20 Koshi wrote:
And chances are bigger I am wrong on a lot than that I am right on a lot.

On March 30 2015 05:30 Hapahauli wrote:


I had a fairly busy two days, so I was actively trying to detach myself from the thread to preserve my sanity. To force myself to "not give a shit" if you will. I really didn't want to be thinking about this mafia game for the last two days.

It certainly worked. Personally anyway. As for the negative effects, I think ~50 hours is plenty of time to get suspicion off of me.

On March 30 2015 06:29 Koshi wrote:

Hapa is not mafia.
Kita is way more likely to be mafia.

Trfel is not a bad lynch.
WoS is not a bad lynch.
BH is not a bad lynch.

snarfs is only a good lynch if there is meta proof he isn't a lazy player. Or a player that sometimes just can't keep up. I don't see a reason why he is mafia. Why can't town have a good idea and then fall off this train with 100 pages?

On February 25 2013 03:06 Snarfs wrote:
Ahhh yesss!! Finally a game where I'm not mafia! It's been too long. Far too long.

Obvious rule number 1: no one calls for a duel unless we have a majority of the thread agreeing on it.

Obvious rule number 2: we use as much of the day as possible before calling for duels.

Anyone ignoring rules 1 or 2 should be put under extreme scrutiny for acting against town goals.

On March 30 2015 06:53 Blazinghand wrote:
slam you sure look strange with that don't lynch me thing. do you agree with what I've said here?

On March 30 2015 07:10 rsoultin wrote:
i think it's more important if HF has disappeared to make sure he's not one of the three -_-

On March 30 2015 07:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
im down to kill BH if it kills slam even though I dont think hes mafia lol.

On March 30 2015 07:35 VayneAuthority wrote:


Every slam post is spam to me as its just gibberish, I dont particularly like playing with him.

On March 30 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:

Then don't.


Let's not lynch BH. If slam is telling the truth it's just not worth it.

On March 30 2015 07:47 Holyflare wrote:


this guy has 3 pages of filter

look at all the games he has played in how he references his scum meta:





each time as mafia he has lower page counts

On March 30 2015 07:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm GreYMisT, Embodiment of the Host of the Game.

Everyone who doesn't vote for me gets modkilled at the end of this cycle. Fucking test me motherfuckers.

On March 31 2015 06:22 yamato77 wrote:

I haven't decided you're mafia.

It's also ~50 hours until the lynch.

Just play the game?

On March 31 2015 06:23 batsnacks wrote:


no

On March 31 2015 06:18 Keirathi wrote:
... I'd rather do other things today....

On March 31 2015 12:47 Trfel wrote:
Hi. I'm buddying with you. Is that okay?

On March 31 2015 12:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Why would 3p get an information role?

On March 31 2015 12:58 justanothertownie wrote:
Did BH even say that? Didn't he say one of the others would be town and one scum? I don't think he counted himself as 3p.

On March 29 2015 13:24 Crossfire99 wrote:

But it isn't like he is just afk. He hasn't been around much, yes, but when he's been here over the span of a few hours (not necessarily saying he was here the whole time, just around a few times in that time period) he hasn't said and been purposely not trying.

On March 30 2015 06:06 Crossfire99 wrote:
Why does it seem like we are getting away from a Hapa lynch?



Why didn't you tell us this previously? This just seems like an retroactive explanation for why you actively refused to play. If you were really busy, tell us then instead of making the purposely trolly posts which show you are "following" the thread but are just refusing to play.



HF, hapa hasn't produced any town rainbows, so are you claiming mafia now?

On March 31 2015 15:27 Keirathi wrote:
Also, how sure are people that Chezitwo was marv?

Did he actually claim marv in PMs?

I sort of have a hard time believing it was marv, but if it really was, there are some things we need to discuss. I'll dig through some old conversations and see if I can find what I'm thinking of.

[03/18][17:54:41] <Laggy> why do fucking jailkeepers keep trying to jail offensively on night 1
[03/18][17:54:45] <Laggy> so fucking stupid aklsjdlkajlskjdlaksjlkdajs
[03/18][17:54:46] <marvellosity> no idea
[03/18][17:54:47] <marvellosity> just awful
[03/18][17:55:31] <marvellosity> i really should write a short how-to on blue role usage
[03/18][17:55:41] <Laggy> lol
[03/18][17:56:31] <marvellosity> jk don't jail offensively
[03/18][17:56:39] <marvellosity> medic don't wifom yourself out of the best target
[03/18][17:56:47] <marvellosity> also the best target isn't your strongest townread, it's the biggest town asset
[03/18][17:57:10] <marvellosity> unless you have good reasons to believe a high profile player is mafia, protect them, because if they're town they will be shot at
[03/18][17:57:17] <marvellosity> cops check nulls and lurkers, not high profile targets
[03/18][17:57:31] <marvellosity> vigis hold your shot night 1 if you think you can survive, otherwise hit scummy lurkers
[03/18][17:58:26] <Laggy> 1) as alignment cop, check people you think are likely mafia, not town checks 2) as parity cop, check a supertown vs people you are suspicious of 3) as doc, protect the biggest town asset 4) as jailkeeper, protect the biggest town assest...only jail offensively if one scum left and pretty solid thread consensus on who it is 5) as vig, shoot lurkers
[03/18][17:59:14] <marvellosity> is this your list? lol
[03/18][17:59:20] <Laggy> basically
[03/18][17:59:24] <marvellosity> ah
[03/18][17:59:35] <Laggy> i started typing while you did
[03/18][17:59:45] <Laggy> just put them all in one point before hitting enter

On March 31 2015 16:15 rsoultin wrote:
-pokes at keir- i am being insomniac ^^

On March 31 2015 16:26 VisceraEyes wrote:

She bites and it hurts. Bad.

On March 31 2015 16:34 Koshi wrote:
VA might be mafia. But seriously.
We should really focus on who out of BH and Alakaslam is mafia. 1 for sure is. It might be slam. Probably is BH. Maybe both?

I would be surprised if marv got killed for his VA read. And thinking marv checked VA is just so fucking boring. Why would he check his scumread? He probably checked something else. Probably another investigation role. aka LS or BH.

Mafia:
VA/BH/Hapa/Alakaslam/LS/trfel

On March 31 2015 17:32 Koshi wrote:
Mafia needs busdrivers.
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On March 31 2015 17:53 Koshi wrote:

Yes. There are also another 500 reasons why Hapa is scum.

On April 01 2015 06:31 justanothertownie wrote:

You are a hero. Who should have died in his place?

On March 30 2015 07:54 Crossfire99 wrote:


I looked at his the filter lengths from other games and he's put up 8ish pages on day 1 in linux and 11 in slytherin by day 2. He was scum in both and was dead for the rest of those games. He had 8 and 10 in PYP protoss and horn as town for both dying in days 2 and 1 respectively. I'm not sure if we can make a determination just based off of day 1 here. I think it will take longer to figure out based on filter length.

On April 01 2015 06:44 justanothertownie wrote:

I tend to agree (inb4 Koshi shitstorm).

Apart from snarfs, who do you think is scum?

On April 01 2015 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:

Are you talking about the list you posted? Otherwise I also take your reasons to rule out people.

On April 01 2015 06:44 justanothertownie wrote:

I tend to agree (inb4 Koshi shitstorm).

Apart from snarfs, who do you think is scum?

On April 01 2015 07:13 justanothertownie wrote:

Yeah, there is a good reason for that trust me.

On April 01 2015 07:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
I wouldn't mind if we ditch the check shit and start scum hunting as per normal.

I wouldn't mind hearing people's thoughts on yamato.

On April 01 2015 08:38 justanothertownie wrote:
So Moriarty checked Crossfire eh?

On April 01 2015 08:45 justanothertownie wrote:

Why would mafia check someone they will nightkill anyways?

On April 01 2015 08:51 Crossfire99 wrote:

I was not killed by KP last night. I chose my manner of death btw. The kill flavor was all my idea.

On April 01 2015 08:53 justanothertownie wrote:

Wasn't there shit like this in catastrophe?

On April 01 2015 08:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
Also, how else am I suppose to use a role where I fake my own death? Like it is the most confusing role ever. It doesn't actually protect me from abilities since my someone got my role name last night. My whole role is confusing and makes no sense to me honestly. Why is it a town role? How is faking my death useful? That was the best I got. Confuse mafia and maybe get reactions to determine who they are. Problem is informing people about this action ruins the whole purpose, so I didn't tell anyone save one person, who I'm waiting to talk and see if that person learned anything in pms or something.

On April 01 2015 11:11 Holyflare wrote:


Absolutely everyone....?

On April 01 2015 11:18 VayneAuthority wrote:


kitaman is 100% town, probably the most trustworthy person in this game. but idk whats going on now.

On April 01 2015 11:25 justanothertownie wrote:

I know right.

On April 01 2015 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote:

inorite
I REALLY wanted to be YOLO town hero but I'm just not that good unfortunately so I consulted the powers that be first.

I think I crumbed it somewhere too but I forget where.
Oh well.

On April 01 2015 11:31 Snarfs wrote:

To be fair, you were basing hapa not being scum on Crossfire being scum. This game is ridiculous.

On April 01 2015 12:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm being washed away in the madness. I'm lost and don't know where to pick back up.

So the mafia is still alive?! And we no-lynched already?

On April 01 2015 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
The other side of that is that if he was shot by an anti-town 3p then they wouldn't claim the shot on him regardless (the flavor text seemed a little dark right?) but on the other hand, it wouldn't make sense for him to make up a story like that IF he was shot and resurrected somehow.

On April 01 2015 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote:

Oh you think I should ask this one other person to corroborate your story in a game with an anti-town faction of at least 4 or 5? Yeah I just don't think that's gonna be helpful.

On April 02 2015 03:13 WaveofShadow wrote:

Oh yeah you told me.
Who is that?

On April 02 2015 03:19 rsoultin wrote:


lol lemons



you're confusing looking for your role with looking for something specific

but actually i started talking to you long before i found that

On April 02 2015 03:23 rsoultin wrote:


eh i'm playing bad this game it was obviously related to slam

On April 02 2015 03:26 rsoultin wrote:


more or less

does it matter now?

On April 02 2015 05:25 Blazinghand wrote:
As I said, I'm talking about things other than vayneauthority tonight, but I see no reason not to lynch him tomorrow

On April 02 2015 06:19 Holyflare wrote:
Also has there been a role kp for mafia in a greymist game before? Kita strikes me as that kind of role this game

On April 02 2015 06:20 Holyflare wrote:


Not if it's a cop check?

On April 02 2015 06:35 Sepulchre wrote:

Would mafia know about the majority lynch? I would think that information is either public, or fully secret. Everything else would just be biased.

On April 02 2015 08:17 batsnacks wrote:
Now that that's over.

I have a stash of soul fragments, each one with a different use.

N1 I sent out a soul fragment to ritoky that targets two players' PMs, if they were negative reputation they could pm if they were good reputation they couldn't pm. I didn't realize it wound up with damdred somehow, I just figured ritoky took it to the grave.

N2 I sent out a soul fragment to JAT that impacts the amount of votes received.

On April 02 2015 08:29 justanothertownie wrote:

Possible but I wouldn't be certain about it since the fragment is a power and not an item.

On April 02 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:


Did you miss the parts Kei where my ability/item is etn to JAT got redirected and the mask that oneg sent to jat got redirected?

On April 02 2015 08:37 Half the Sky wrote:


Onegu is wanting for Majora's Mask.

The mask you need or have is....???

(FTR, I'm not in search or wanting for any items.)

On April 02 2015 08:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
why was WoS shot? weird as fuck.

On April 02 2015 09:32 batsnacks wrote:


I'm voting you because you're scummy and I felt like voting because no one else was and I don't think kita is ever the lynch today, there's way scummier people (you).

On April 02 2015 09:37 Keirathi wrote:

Maybe you should try explaining why she's scum if you want people to vote her. Just sayin'.

You haven't mentioned her all game but day starts and suddenly shes your 100% lynch target instead of people like ExO and Sepulchre who you've wanted to lynch all game?

On April 02 2015 09:43 batsnacks wrote:
Of course I think damdred is telling the truth he claimed to have the item I sent. Why does that make kita scummy though?

On April 02 2015 09:53 batsnacks wrote:


How am I supposed to "figure it out?" I posted everything I know in the thread already.

I'm not going to vote kita just because he has a "bad reputation." If "bad reputation" = mafia then the power would just say "mafia" and not "bad reputation."

On April 02 2015 10:10 batsnacks wrote:


He claimed day mason d1 which was confirmed by HF. And kita was the one to disclose this, not HF. Claiming day mason d1 and masoning HF is setting yourself up for a massive uphill battle if you are scum imo. Also this is a really townie post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=92#1832

I think that's enough not to lynch him over e.g. HTS who voted at the start of today based on information it will take 24 hours to know for sure (setting her up for more not-engaging the thread). Or slam who has probably been responsible for killing more townies than mafia.

On April 02 2015 11:14 Damdred wrote:
Meh you guys make me sad. I wish I had my gun back at least meh

On April 02 2015 11:25 Damdred wrote:
My kp idk who got it would be hilarious if scum used my rifle on ls to see if I was fibbing and try to get another play out of the game.

Anyeay I want lying about the item and who I used it on obviously its not based ok name flavor meh, it actually had the opposite reaction I expected from it

On April 02 2015 12:00 kitaman27 wrote:


I don't follow what you are saying here.

On April 02 2015 12:02 kitaman27 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=217#4337

Anyone mind sharing their opinions? I was the only one to post a list of deadline reads and it has been 5 hours already and nobody has even commented.

Post-flip I'd bump obi up to town and yamato to null-town as a just mentioned.

On April 02 2015 06:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Damdred - It probably goes without saying that I don't trust him. He promised a gun on n1, but didn't deliver. As far as I know, that gun didn't end up anywhere unless mafia is holding on to it or he was lying. As I mentioned earlier though, it seems weird that a mafia damdred would claim to need to kill gordon and then need an excuse if gordon is still around. His excuse for using the item is suspect as I'm one of the two players he claims to have trusted enough to tell about the day vig, but then suddenly he doesn't trust me so he wants to check me with this item that may or may not exist.

On April 02 2015 12:28 Onegu wrote:



So where would you put me and why?

On April 02 2015 13:41 Crossfire99 wrote:
Hi guys I'm not dead. Don't know why. Ask HF why. I even checked with GreY and I'm supposed to be alive. Anyway to celebrate me be alive and not dying you should all watch this. I actually decided to do some work after taking the last 6 years off. + Show Spoiler +

For realz though. I got a bunch of town reads and I'm trying to do some poe, so I think some scum gotta be in this list: keir, HtS, VE, yamato, sep, VA, bat, and kita. This is assuming that all the claimed 3rd party are 3rd party: HF, Trfel, damdred, and alakaslam. I'm not entirely sure if they're all 3rd party yet, though. Honestly, I'm lost on what all the 3rd party win conditions are (or supposedly are). HF is survivor, damdred is assassin?, Alakaslam is ???, and trfl is what?

Out of the list of potential scum I'd feel most comfortable with either kita, VA, or Hts. Yes, I'm blatantly sheeping other peoples reads right now, but what can I do. I'm pretty lost honestly, and need some help lol. The thing I can add is that from pming with kita is that he definitely isn't as forthcoming with reads and stuff as say rsoultin was. Not sure if that says he's definitely scum but it's something. Kita, I just had a thought. What is your role name? This will help me figure out whether you're scum or not, so humor me.

Random bits of information that I gathered. Pming with slam on night one he told me out of the blue, that ritoky is a powerful role and and could be scum PR or a 3P. Slam also said ritoky's name is Frank. All of that is wrong, but how did he know about Frank since that is rsoultin's role?

On April 03 2015 02:01 Crossfire99 wrote:
Lynch HtS or HF!

See my case on HtS. Ignore the part on why kita is mafia because it doesn't matter for what I said about her.

Also, HF is lying because I told him specifically what my power was and he lied about it. Also he never poisoned me.

On April 03 2015 00:48 Crossfire99 wrote:
What changed is that I had a chance to reread filters of 100% confirmed townies who are now dead. You know when you don't have a strong impression either way on someone, and when someone tells you how they are reading someone it colors how you read them? When you explained why you thought she was town, I reread her, but what you said was in my head, so I read her as town. I reread her now with what dead confirmed townies think of her and it's enough for me to change my mind and consider her as a potential lynch target. Honestly, I'm ultimately still up in the air about her, but I'd put her in the will potentially lynch category.

On April 03 2015 02:38 Crossfire99 wrote:

It's how her read changed on kita with no explanation whatsoever. She said she was always suspicious of him, but she never said anything indicating that at all. She only called him town or agreed with his case on BH or whatever. She just comes in today saying to vote him and claims that she was suspicious of him from the beginning. I used the fact that marv also noticed her weird town view of kita immediately to show that her view on kita changed unnaturally. It from definitely town like an assumption and backed that up to now all of a sudden it is scum.

As for my quotes. Yeah those were your exact words, but that thinking she might be town was more than I had at the time. So I when I read her with that in mind, I was like I can see her as town. But then I reread like I said and found all the stuff I wrote in my case.

On April 03 2015 03:31 kitaman27 wrote:


Who is telling you this? They should justify it if it is true because no one has ever stated this to me.

On April 03 2015 01:33 Snarfs wrote:

It was you and wave. Wave sounded a lot more sure than you.

On April 03 2015 03:32 yamato77 wrote:
I'm all for lynching vayne today.

##vote: vayneauthority

On April 01 2015 03:33 yamato77 wrote:
I have a hypothesis on who killed Hapa, but it's not really important.

I also have reservations about lynching VA, and they are important. This feels like a horrible idea. Unfortunately majority lynch makes this game hard.

Would people be opposed to lynching someone like damdred/batsnacks/BH? I have bad feelings about all 3.

On April 03 2015 03:40 Alakaslam wrote:

Feel free to kill him but 2 need to die.

On April 03 2015 03:44 Alakaslam wrote:

No. He is only one Planeswalkers.

On April 03 2015 03:47 Blazinghand wrote:


Given that I've literally said I'm 75% sure I don't know where you get 90%+

Basically here's how it goes:

I think there's a 90% chance Marv checked VA. He crumbed no-one else. It makes sense.

I think that, given that, there's probably only like a 20% chance that VA was framed or busdriven with scum (our busdriver didn't claim a va bus, though there could be a scum busdriver or something too, hence the high percentage)

so an 80% chance the check is legit, and a 90% chance it was on VA, which comes out to about 75%, and tah's with generous estimates all around. I think my calcs are on point.

On April 03 2015 03:49 Damdred wrote:
Hey guys, i'm going to explain my role in detail at this point and why I've been half telling the truth at points. This will most likely cause me to be lynched but that's ok. I'm still debating whether I should retire today or not and i'll explain this in a bit as we go.

Firstly I will explain the mechanics and itemization I have with my role without quoting from my pm. I start the game off with four items in my inventory, I have a bullet, a gun, a stealth suit and a Vest. I have the ability during the night cycles to load my rifle with the bullet to use my stealth and my vest is a passive ability that I have but can pass off. I can also pass off each of my items If I pass off one of my items like I did d1 I lose the opportunity to do anything else during the night cycle.

My opening action N1 was to load my rifle, but talking and getting threatened by JAT I claimed to JAT and under further interrogation Kita as well. And as such I am not in possession of my rifle at this moment in time, HOWEVER I am in possession of the bullet at present. The items got really messed up D1 so its quite possibly scum is just sitting around with an empty rifle on 0 KP because I kept the KP power. So town shouldn't have to worry about that to much at this point in time.

Last Night I used stealth and found some interesting results that i'll talk about in a moment. I'll talk about my wincondition now.

My wincondition is this, you win the game completion of your accepted contracts at points in the game. When your contract dies you have the option to leave the game and gift a .5 KP to any player of your choice, if you do not leave the game you accept another contract and on completion you retire from the game and are able to gift a 1 KP shot to anyone in the game of your choosing on exit.

I have been hesitant and I hinted about this to LS and Koshi roughly I should of told HTS in full so she could back me up.

Currently I have the information who my next target would be if I stay in the game, and i'm tempted to take it so that I can deliver a full KP to someone town as I suspect my target is mafia aligned at this point in time.

IE my target is Moriaty if I decide to accept and go for the full KP instead of .5.

Any questions or thoughts?

On April 03 2015 04:22 Half the Sky wrote:
The numbers I pulled were straight from the database thread. Unless the statistics reported to Kitaman were wrong.

I don't know why the title was called Aperture 3 then, confusing.

On April 03 2015 04:20 Damdred wrote:
I know I was stealth'd on Slam last night somehow

On April 03 2015 04:24 Alakaslam wrote:

Yup.

Your goal was killing me. You observed me killing WoS