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kitaman27
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On March 30 2015 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
Furthermore, you're not really understanding what I"m trying to say about Trefl in general. Sicklucker post was good on its own. Paired with the 2nd, it is bad.
I actually found the post on sicklucker to not make much sense, as I commented earlier. Perhaps you can take a look at what I said and explain what makes it good.
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On March 30 2015 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote:On March 30 2015 04:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On March 30 2015 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
let's comment on that guy we want to lynch post instead of that guy we don't want to lynch shoddy reasoning for town reading ls Fair enough. So...Trfel/Keirathi? no hapa still, that post was awful, his reads aren't "non committal" like hapa is stating, he town reads ls quite hard and has the same read on hapa as everyone else in the game and same with hts (before someone found out her pre-game excuse or w/e) he also says that town generally like to find mafia first and his first post was that trfel called sicklucker mafia......? i don't get it at all Also, it's worth commenting that Trefel isn't "hard town-reading LS". The statement "I'm not convinced that LightningStrike is scum" does not sounds like a strong town read. Furthermore, you're not really understanding what I"m trying to say about Trefl in general. Sicklucker post was good on its own. Paired with the 2nd, it is bad. He calls sicklucker mafia, as well as a couple of other people. Instead of developing his other reads when sicklucker claims 3p, he gets super comfortable with lynching sicklucker. That 'aint good.
I do understand but you tried to shovel more crap onto him to bury him by saying that townies generally try to find mafia first and your first illustration of him is that he was looking for mafia in regards to sl. I'm not comfortable scum reading him for wanting to lynch sicklucker when I myself was thinking the same thing if you returned and were towny.
If anything it speaks more that he didn't want to lynch you over sicklucker than him just wanting to lynch sicklucker.
It doesn't matter anyway, talk more about other people.
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On March 30 2015 04:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 04:24 ritoky wrote:
OWS, if I was gonna give you free stuff, who should I take off my list in your place? Don't you have 11 things to give away?
yup, gotta keep 1 though man, can't have my ship crash cuz of no fuel!
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or respond to kita first at least
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On March 30 2015 04:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Btw rit, if I had to give you an answer I'd say get rid of Onegu.
If nothing else because I've done more than him. :D
so you'd leave hapa on the list?
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On March 30 2015 04:31 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 04:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On March 30 2015 04:19 Keirathi wrote:On March 30 2015 04:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On March 30 2015 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
let's comment on that guy we want to lynch post instead of that guy we don't want to lynch shoddy reasoning for town reading ls Fair enough. So...Trfel/Keirathi? Wait what? Since when am I your scum read, and why? Last thing you said about me was "I'm probably going to vote keir for warrior". I asked HF about this earlier and I said I'd look into it. You've mostly dropped off after a reasonably good early day 1 and only came back to talk about either irrelevant stuff or you've discussed things that never got followed up on. I remember you talking about LS and asking why we wanted to lynch him, but you never got an answer and never seemed to really care about it. Then you only really showed up to talk about roles. There are definitely other people I'd lynch first, but it seemed like you started out really strong and then kind of fell off, which is what I'd kind of expect after JoaT. There's a huge difference. I've already put in way more effort here than I did in the entirety of JOAT. And besides that, the "strong start" from JoaT was all during night 1. I basically had like 10 posts in all of day 1. The drop off in activity can simply be explained by the fact that I didn't have to work Friday night, and I did last night.
Mayhaps.
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On March 30 2015 04:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:On March 30 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote:On March 30 2015 04:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On March 30 2015 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
let's comment on that guy we want to lynch post instead of that guy we don't want to lynch shoddy reasoning for town reading ls Fair enough. So...Trfel/Keirathi? no hapa still, that post was awful, his reads aren't "non committal" like hapa is stating, he town reads ls quite hard and has the same read on hapa as everyone else in the game and same with hts (before someone found out her pre-game excuse or w/e) he also says that town generally like to find mafia first and his first post was that trfel called sicklucker mafia......? i don't get it at all Also, it's worth commenting that Trefel isn't "hard town-reading LS". The statement "I'm not convinced that LightningStrike is scum" does not sounds like a strong town read. Furthermore, you're not really understanding what I"m trying to say about Trefl in general. Sicklucker post was good on its own. Paired with the 2nd, it is bad. He calls sicklucker mafia, as well as a couple of other people. Instead of developing his other reads when sicklucker claims 3p, he gets super comfortable with lynching sicklucker. That 'aint good. I do understand but you tried to shovel more crap onto him to bury him by saying that townies generally try to find mafia first and your first illustration of him is that he was looking for mafia in regards to sl. I'm not comfortable scum reading him for wanting to lynch sicklucker when I myself was thinking the same thing if you returned and were towny. If anything it speaks more that he didn't want to lynch you over sicklucker than him just wanting to lynch sicklucker. It doesn't matter anyway, talk more about other people.
also to compound onto this if he was busy/sleepy or whatever and his previous entry was talking about sl and he hadn't been around, what else was he supposed to say if he couldn't be around today?
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On March 30 2015 04:37 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 04:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Btw rit, if I had to give you an answer I'd say get rid of Onegu.
If nothing else because I've done more than him. :D so you'd leave hapa on the list?
I don't care very much about who you leave on the list, tbh. I'd imagine you wouldn't give him something uber powerful anyway.
If I really wanted someone off that list it would be LS but that's besides the point.
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On March 30 2015 04:32 Holyflare wrote:well it's hard to talk to you when you don't say anything with any content in it
I filtered a few people but honestly I'm more useful reading bad players than I am at anything else.
Give me direction?
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On March 30 2015 04:32 Keirathi wrote:
Yo Hapa, am I scum? Gogo.
Probably not.
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Ok so this is roughly where I am at (Order doesn't matter):
Do not lynch today:
Koshi
rsoultin
Do not lynch without a very good reason:
Obi
Exo
Kita
Bats
VA
ritoky
yamato
Chez
HF
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kitaman27
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Since Holyflare is currently leading the mayor vote, I figured that I'd share that I've been masoned with him for a large part of day one. I chose him since he was a likely election winner and the more information the better.
Points of interest:
-Claims he is disconnected from the game. That doesn't seem to be the case, but maybe he was just feeling down at the time.
-Hard defends me by claiming that I'm 100% town during the koshi/hapa episode. I found this strange since he mentioned that I "feel off to him, pretty disengaged with what he's pushing". I questioned what changed his mind and he responded that I was null and he was taking an irrational stance for the sake of discussion. I'm not sure if anything came as a result of this, aside from maybe snarf taking the read as fact. JAT called out the town read on me and I was hoping that he would pull up the earlier quotes in the filter when I questioned him about it, but he did not.
-I mentioned my displeasure with the Trfel post and he took the time to go read by read explaining his thoughts on each player there. I brought up Trfel in PMs he said that he would need to to check out how well Trfel is capable of playing as mafia. He posts his town read in the thread and then when I question him about it, he reveals that he was mistaken and took a look at his past mafia game. This was the exchange that I was the most concerned about since he said he came to a conclusion before looking at something he was going to base his conclusion on. To be fair, he did say that Trfel was looking town before this point though.
-Shares that batsnacks could be mafia. I share suspicion about batsnacks and he hard defends him as town. Batsnacks did not have any posts during this period, but when I question HF about this he explains that he simply looked into him further at this point.
-I question his decision to lynch LS because he looked townie to me and he refers back to the earlier post he made. After the role claim, he seems included to trust the claim, which I agree with.
-I asked him whether or not BH would risk a modkill with the koshi interaction and he doesn't seem too concerned.
-Takes a while to show any interest in my alignment, but he does eventually ask for a list of reads and shares his thoughts about them. We seem somewhat close regarding the people we are suspicious of. He still doesn't seem willing to trust me completely, which is admittedly disappointing.
-There were signs that he was spending time looking at things without being prompted to do so.
-The sudden desire to not be mayor I find strange. I assumed he was more interested in the rogue powers than the liability of selecting the mayoral lynch. This part may not be all that alignment indicative though.
Obviously HF it a tough player to read, so I wouldn't feel confident enough to claim town/mafia based on a few PMs. The actions are going to be more important. While there are a few things that I found strange enough to not make him my top town read and I'd much prefer to have myself elected, his top couple of reads I tend to agree with and there is some degree of effort in his posts so I wouldn't be oppossed to his election. I'm fairly towny on rsoultin, but my preference would probably be to stick her at rogue (assuming people aren't willing to put me in the top 3).
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Koshi has no problem receiving roles. He also has no problem not posting anything anymore, so he will jsut take a backseat position till people get antsy about Koshi again.
But really. Give town roles = good.
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Didn't want to hit post yet... other categories following. TL seems to be very very slow for me right now.
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Also, we are not electing Kita or Hapa.
Never.
No fucking way they get it for "trying a couple hours"
THIS IS THE TIME MAFIA WILL TRY HARDEST. GIVE IT TO SOMBODY WHO TRIED THE ENTIRE CYCLE. rsoultin/obiwan are good clerics. rsoultin/JAT/Koshi/HF for top position then I guess.
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Another odd thing is that ritoky isn't reading HF as town.
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kitaman27
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On March 30 2015 04:45 Koshi wrote:
Also, we are not electing Kita or Hapa.
Never.
No fucking way they get it for "trying a couple hours"
THIS IS THE TIME MAFIA WILL TRY HARDEST. GIVE IT TO SOMBODY WHO TRIED THE ENTIRE CYCLE. rsoultin/obiwan are good clerics. rsoultin/JAT/Koshi/HF for top position then I guess.
There was a couple hour period where I was mostly just in and out of the thread while watching sports, but aside from that you can't say I haven't tried this cycle, because its not true. Don't put me and hapa in the same boat.
On March 30 2015 04:45 Koshi wrote:
@kitaman27
Another odd thing is that ritoky isn't reading HF as town.
Maybe, generally I'm inclined to trust people that are open about their roles on day one.
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On March 30 2015 04:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Btw rit, if I had to give you an answer I'd say get rid of Onegu.
If nothing else because I've done more than him. :D
So you town read me but don't want me to get stuff?
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I'll vote for kita, I trust him a reasonable amount.
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question for you kita:
I have been masoned with HF before where he fooled me hard. Did he prompt more discussion in the mason thread or did you prompt more discussion? Who was asking the questions/giving out info more?
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